WWI Digest 1738 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Modelers vs Historians by Albatrosdv@aol.com 2) Re: Nats 2001, was Re: Judging by "DAVID BURKE" 3) RE: Judging / was: further on the future of the hobby..... by modeleral@up-link.net (Al Superczynski) 4) Re: I'm Back by roguerpj 5) Re: Modelers vs Historians by "DAVID BURKE" 6) Re: Modelers vs Historians by roguerpj 7) Re: Judging / was: further on the future of the hobby..... by "DAVID BURKE" 8) Re: Judging / was: further on the future of the hobby..... by "DAVID BURKE" 9) Re: My tiny share of the glory by Ernest Thomas 10) RE: Dolphin by "John Glaser" 11) Re: I'm Back by Matthew E Bittner 12) Re: Rudder Stripers Anonymous -- The Pledge by Matthew E Bittner 13) Souce for MvR Poster? by "K. Hagerup" 14) Re: Was - Re: Where are you (from)? by Dave Wadman 15) Re: Souce for MvR Poster? by "Paul G." 16) Re: Souce for MvR Poster? by Ernest Thomas 17) Re: Souce for MvR Poster? by "K. Hagerup" 18) Re: Souce for MvR Poster? by Sharon Henderson 19) Re: WW1 Sig by Shane & Lorna Jenkins 20) Re: Fokker "Squiggles" by "Eli Geher" 21) Re: Nats update by "Eli Geher" 22) Americals Price List by Shane Weier 23) Re: Don't mean to butt in , butt..... by bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) 24) Re: Modelers vs Historians by KarrArt@aol.com 25) Re: Modelers vs Historians by KarrArt@aol.com 26) Re: Modelers vs Historians by KarrArt@aol.com 27) Re: I'm BACK!!!! by KarrArt@aol.com 28) Re: Dolphin by KarrArt@aol.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 20:48:29 EDT From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Modelers vs Historians Message-ID: <4b2fcfc0.24cfad5d@aol.com> In a message dated 99-07-27 20:30:13 EDT, you write: << The version I say was pretty reveling. I am not sure if it is the pre-Hays Code (not sure what that is I'm just a baby after all ;) version or not but is was enough. And I got it from the public library. Do tell me more. I love to know about different versions of movies. >> If you saw her "topless" you saw the pre-Hays Code (a formal system of censorship initiated in 1927 and in force in American movies until 1964). Tom ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 19:24:41 -0500 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: Nats 2001, was Re: Judging Message-ID: <059f01bed893$9844f240$7a82aec7@dora9sprynet.com> The attendance was even lower this year? Hmmmm, I did not know that. But yes, a centrally-located show would seem to be the way to let a larger number of people experience the wonderful mayhem of a National convention. DB P.S., glad that somebody agrees with me about SOMETHING. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 00:59:44 GMT From: modeleral@up-link.net (Al Superczynski) To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: RE: Judging / was: further on the future of the hobby..... Message-ID: <37ab559f.19524789@mail.up-link.net> Could the personal squabble that's developed in this thread be taken off-list, please? TIA, Al http://www.up-link.net/~modeleral ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 20:10:27 -0500 From: roguerpj To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: I'm Back Message-ID: <379E5883.D6085D2@black-hole.com> As I am from Kenosha, WI originally (that is 1 hr north of the city on the IL/WI border) count me in. I just told my boss to expect me to be off. Does anyone know the dates and such. rob johnson DAVID BURKE wrote: > >If people do go to Chicago, we definitely have to have a list's night > >out. Heck, there are enough of us on this list in the general area as it > >is! :-) > > > > > >Matt Bittner > > I'll DEFINITELY be there - I have family in Chi-town (us Micks run the city > you know!) > > DB ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 19:55:37 -0500 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: Modelers vs Historians Message-ID: <05ae01bed893$e954e640$7a82aec7@dora9sprynet.com> I bought a copy of that in the 'cut-out' bin at the video store - now I REALLY want to watch it (O.K., I haven't seen it yet. Bad Me.) DB >The version I say was pretty reveling. I am not sure if it is the pre-Hays >Code (not sure what that is I'm just a baby after all ;) version or not but is >was enough. And I got it from the public library. Do tell me more. I love to >know about different versions of movies. > >rob johnson > >Albatrosdv@aol.com wrote: > >> In a message dated 99-07-27 19:30:52 EDT, you write: >> >> << My vote for best movie is still Wings, but then I am a sucker for the >> silent movies and the starlets in them. >> >> >> Especially if you latch onto the pre-Hays Code original version, where you >> get to see Clara Bow like you never saw her before or since in the "dream >> sequence." >> >> Tom Cleaver > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 20:14:24 -0500 From: roguerpj To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Modelers vs Historians Message-ID: <379E5970.A21935BF@black-hole.com> That would be it. The thing you find in the public library :o rob johnson Albatrosdv@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 99-07-27 20:30:13 EDT, you write: > > << > The version I say was pretty reveling. I am not sure if it is the pre-Hays > Code (not sure what that is I'm just a baby after all ;) version or not but > is > was enough. And I got it from the public library. Do tell me more. I love to > know about different versions of movies. > >> > If you saw her "topless" you saw the pre-Hays Code (a formal system of > censorship initiated in 1927 and in force in American movies until 1964). > > Tom ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 20:06:16 -0500 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: Judging / was: further on the future of the hobby..... Message-ID: <05b701bed895$66348fc0$7a82aec7@dora9sprynet.com> >What can I say. Loud mouth wankers invariably set my teeth on edge. Don't blame me for your problems with your teeth. If the above is assumed to be true, then I should assume that you would be wanting a set of dentures attatched to bungee cord - and that most definitely applies if you talk to yourself, you horrid pratt! Other than that, quit whining. I've already repeated myself enough on how to get around detail not being noticed, and either don't go to the contests, or join the clubs sponsoring them and promote the creation of WWI categories along with helping to educate the judges. Other than that it's just bitching and it does nothing more than create the bunker mentality (or lack thereof). I anticipate your next witty (yawn) reply. DB P.S., I did not mean to tar all Australians with a single brush - I know a few that are good outstanding perverts who are welcome in my home anyday! I just didn't want to precipitate a war where we would have Yahoo Serious dropped on the U.S. That would be cruel. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 20:07:40 -0500 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: Judging / was: further on the future of the hobby..... Message-ID: <05c601bed895$97e75700$7a82aec7@dora9sprynet.com> Yes, I agree. Sorry to pollute the airwaves. DB P.S., He started it. -----Original Message----- From: Al Superczynski To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Tuesday, July 27, 1999 8:02 PM Subject: RE: Judging / was: further on the future of the hobby..... > > Could the personal squabble that's developed in this thread be taken >off-list, please? > >TIA, >Al >http://www.up-link.net/~modeleral > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 20:58:20 -0500 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: My tiny share of the glory Message-ID: <379E63BC.391C@bellsouth.net> DAVID BURKE wrote: > > Ahem... > > Of course Mr. Thomas forgot to mention the owner of the FW 190 D-13 base > that loaned him a little greenery so his landing-gear imperfections weren't > detected as his lower wing wasn't parallel to the ground.... > > I won nothing, so I glom onto what I can - I'm an American. Narc! :) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 21:06:57 -0500 From: "John Glaser" To: Subject: RE: Dolphin Message-ID: I dunno...... We'll have to check the state of Texas - California relations before we let you in. Can't let any subversives in that might try to put avocado and bean sprouts on a hamburger! - JCG -----Original Message----- From: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu [mailto:wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu]On Behalf Of Albatrosdv@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 1999 6:47 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Dolphin In a message dated 99-07-27 18:45:39 EDT, you write: << Hey Cleaver, was you there? >> uh-uh. See you in Texas, if they'll renew my passport. Tom Cleaver ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 21:06:31 -0500 From: Matthew E Bittner To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: I'm Back Message-ID: <19990727.210745.-84285.5.mbittner@juno.com> On Tue, 27 Jul 1999 20:59:08 -0400 (EDT) roguerpj writes: > As I am from Kenosha, WI originally (that is 1 hr north of the city > on the > IL/WI border) count me in. I just told my boss to expect me to be > off. Does > anyone know the dates and such. I have heard 4 - 7 July. Why must they have these on a holiday? Bummer... Matt Bittner http://www.geocities.com/~ipmsfortcrook http://www.discoveromaha.com/community/groups/plasticmodelers/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 20:58:11 -0500 From: Matthew E Bittner To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Rudder Stripers Anonymous -- The Pledge Message-ID: <19990727.210745.-84285.2.mbittner@juno.com> On Tue, 27 Jul 1999 19:24:33 -0400 (EDT) mkendix writes: > Fair enough. I agree that the rudder stripes are fairly > straightforward > to do with paint, however, how do you ensure the colours match those > of > the other markings; e.g. RFC or French roundels? I can't speak for the British, but the French I do it this way: Aeromaster #1046, US Interm. Blue ANA 600 is a dead match for the Pegasus and Americal blue (which brings up Ken's thread from a few days ago). Unfortunately I haven't found a match yet for the red, so I match until it's "close". Heck, rudders are small so it's not a big problem. :-) Matt Bittner http://www.geocities.com/~ipmsfortcrook http://www.discoveromaha.com/community/groups/plasticmodelers/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 21:08:36 -0500 From: "K. Hagerup" To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Souce for MvR Poster? Message-ID: <379E6624.5673@prodigy.net> Anyone kno of a source for the MvR poster that FMP used to sell? Thanks, Ken ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 20:22:56 -0700 From: Dave Wadman To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Was - Re: Where are you (from)? Message-ID: <379E7790.98B@nucleus.com> DAVID BURKE wrote: > > Hey Dave! > > Got to talk to Crandall and get his book. Nice fellow! Hi Dave, SSSHHHHHHH! You know that you shouldn't refer to anything to do with 19......or 10.....thingies here! Whaddya wanna do, get us lynched?? ;-) Still, real nice job on the book eh? Glad to hear you got to meet Jerry. TTFN Dave ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 22:27:58 -0400 From: "Paul G." To: Subject: Re: Souce for MvR Poster? Message-ID: <020701bed8a0$cf419020$92dc9bce@oemcomputer> ----- Original Message ----- From: K. Hagerup To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 1999 10:12 PM Subject: Souce for MvR Poster? > Anyone kno of a source for the MvR poster that FMP used to sell? > > Thanks, > > Ken Ken, Try www.terryjamesart.com/gallery.htm click aviation and click MvR to see the poster. I assume this is the right poster. Paul G. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 21:29:20 -0500 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Souce for MvR Poster? Message-ID: <379E6B00.29AE@bellsouth.net> K. Hagerup wrote: > > Anyone kno of a source for the MvR poster that FMP used to sell? If it's the poster I'm thinking of, try Sopwith Hobbies. E. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 21:34:02 -0500 From: "K. Hagerup" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Souce for MvR Poster? Message-ID: <379E6C19.42E8@prodigy.net> Paul G. wrote: > Try www.terryjamesart.com/gallery.htm > click aviation and click MvR to see the poster. I assume this is the right > poster. Thanks! Ken (poor typist, proud member of the brain dead ilk) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 21:46:50 -0400 (EDT) From: Sharon Henderson To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Souce for MvR Poster? Message-ID: I have a copy of that poster, framed and on my wall. Quite lovely! :-) Sharon, Unregenerate Imperialist Schweinehundin.... :-) On Tue, 27 Jul 1999, Paul G. wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: K. Hagerup > To: Multiple recipients of list > Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 1999 10:12 PM > Subject: Souce for MvR Poster? > > > > Anyone kno of a source for the MvR poster that FMP used to sell? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Ken > > Ken, > > Try www.terryjamesart.com/gallery.htm > click aviation and click MvR to see the poster. I assume this is the right > poster. > > Paul G. > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 12:53:33 +1000 From: Shane & Lorna Jenkins To: WW1 posts Subject: Re: WW1 Sig Message-ID: <379E70AD.ACDCA0EA@tac.com.au> Hi everybody A couple of points have occurred to me about this. As I understand it, a registered Sig must produce 4 newsletters a year for its members and publicise the fact that the Sig itself exists (this may be different in the US - I dunno). This means a commitment of time and effort on the part of whoever the poor sod is who gets to be editor of said newsletter, as if you look carefully at most Sig newsletters the early issues are mainly written by the editor until things get rolling and people contribute articles. I myself would actually consider this list to be a self-evolved Sig but not named as such. The list is accessible to all on the net not just IPMS members as is the case with any recognised Sig group. I'd say there are more modellers out there who are not members of IPMS (for whatever reasons) than there are not on the net so in a very real sense this list is better than a Sig. If you want to increase the interest and knowledge about WW1 in the hobby - talk it up! Promote the list to people you know are online. Find out who in your club has ever built/attempted anything WW1 and convert 'em back from the dark side ;-) I thought I was the only one at our club and now we have a strong bunch of 6 mad loonies who bring their efforts in and show them off each mtg. Which of course gets others interested - one of our armour guys is about to build a Pup! We don't need a Sig when we have the list family :-) Lorna ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 21:22:45 -0500 From: "Eli Geher" To: Subject: Re: Fokker "Squiggles" Message-ID: <01e501bed8a6$b184e540$326086d0@eligeher> -----Original Message----- From: John C Glaser >While perusing Windsock 14/2, I was wondering what made the "squiggles" in >the cowl finish on the Fokker E.III. Datafile 15 states on page 27: "The >metal cowling and nose panels were 'engine turned' to give a highly pleasing >'whirled' effect to the metalwork........" What is "engine turned"? >Polishing? Grinding? I know how Eth did it on his E.III but how did the >San Diego museum replicate it on the reproduction there? I saw and photographed the San Diego E.III last September. They simply faked the machine turning with paint. Eli Geher ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 22:09:26 -0500 From: "Eli Geher" To: Subject: Re: Nats update Message-ID: <01e701bed8a6$b3488e40$326086d0@eligeher> -----Original Message----- From: Ernest Thomas >You're not the one who built that little black & yellow Pitts, are you? >I sure liked that one. Nope. I had a 1/144 scale DC-3 in Swissair markings. Eli Geher ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 13:16:32 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi'" Subject: Americals Price List Message-ID: <65C968E11318D311B0BD0060B06865CD475912@mimhexch.mim.com.au> Hello all, I have just received a copy of the latest Americals price list by email from former list member (and archive reader) Charles Hart. Charles was a partner of Americals some years ago and still keeps their electronic price list up to date. He says that the list is okay for distribution to list members, and to save a million "me too" posts I'll post it first here, in the hope that its formatting doesn't get so stuffed as to be useless. If it *doesn't* get through the list intact, email me off list or email Charles at hartc@spot.colorado.edu (Before anyone asks, the discontinued items were alternate loz sheets. I believe they were based on the discredited Rodney Gerrard samples, but may be wrong) Shane AMERICAL/GRYPHON DECALS Price List and Order Blank - Spring 1999 #1 Kriegsmarine Camouflage $ 6.50 #2 Nachtbombengeschwader Camouflage (I) $ 6.50 #3 Nachtbombengeschwader Camouflage (II) $ 6.50 #4 Nachtbombengeschwader Camouflage (III) $ 6.50 #5 Five-color Lozenge (top) $ 6.50 #6 Five-color Lozenge (bottom) $ 6.50 #7 Les cocardes francaises $ 6.50 #8 American (A.E.F.) cockades $ 6.50 #9 Belgische Kokarden $ 6.50 #10 Le coccarde italiane $ 6.50 #11 Russian Cockades 1914-17 $ 6.50 #12 Groáe Eiserne Kreuze 1916-18 $ 6.50 #13 k.u.k. Tarnstoff $ 6.50 #14 Kriegsmarine Camouflage (1:48) $ 6.50 #15 Les cocardes francaises (1:48) $ 6.50 #16 German Rib Tapes $ 6.50 #17 Altere Eiserne Kreuze $ 6.50 #18 British Roundels (large A/C) $ 6.50 #19 British Roundels (small A/C) $ 6.50 #20 Five-color Lozenge (top) (1:48) $ 6.50 #21 Five-color Lozenge (bottom) (1:48) $ 6.50 #22 German Rib Tapes (1:48) $ 6.50 #23 Gotha Lozenge $ 6.50 #24 Gotha Lozenge (1:48) $ 6.50 #25 Alternate Four-color Lozenge (top) $ 6.50 #26 Suomalaiset Kansallistunnukset (Finnish markings)$ 6.50 #27 Nachtbombengeschwader Camouflage (III)(1:48)$ 6.50 #28(r)Markierungen der Kanonenstaffel: Jasta 5 $12.50 #29 Balkenkreuze 1918 (I) $ 6.50 #30 Balkenkreuze 1918 (II) $ 6.50 #31 Balkenkreuze 1918 (III) $ 6.50 #32 Balkenkreuze 1918 (I) (1:48) $ 6.50 #33 Balkenkreuze 1918 (II) (1:48) $ 6.50 #34 Balkenkreuze 1918 (III) (1:48) $ 6.50 #35 British Roundels (large A/C) (1:48) $ 6.50 #36 British Roundels (small A/C) (1:48) $ 6.50 #37 Four-color Lozenge (top) $ 6.50 #38 Four-color Lozenge (bottom) $ 6.50 #39 Four-color Lozenge (top) (1:48) $ 6.50 #40 Four-color Lozenge (bottom) (1:48) $ 6.50 #41 Nachtbombengeschwader Camouflage(I) (1:48) $ 6.50 #42 Eiserne Kreuze (small a/c) (1:48) $ 6.50 #43 Eiserne Kreuze (large a/c) (1:48) $ 6.50 #44 k.u.k. Tarnstoff (1:48) $ 6.50 #45 WITHDRAWN #46 WITHDRAWN #47 American (A.E.F.) cockades (1:48) $ 6.50 #48 American (A.E.F.) cockades (1:48) $ 6.50 #49 Belgische Kokarden (1:48) $ 6.50 #50 Le coccarde italiane (1:48) $ 6.50 #51 Gotha Markings (part a) $10.00 #52 Gotha Markings (part b) $12.50 #53 Eiserne Kreuze (small a/c) $ 6.50 #54 Eiserne Kreuze (large a/c) $ 6.50 #55 Turkish Insignia 1917-18 $ 6.50 #56 Brumowski Distribution $ 6.50 #57 Rib Tapes (+) $ 6.50 #58 Rib Tapes (+) (1:48) $ 6.50 #59 Brumowski Distribution (1:48) $ 6.50 #60 Alternate Four-color Lozenge (top)(1:48) $ 6.50 #61 Friedrichschafen Markings (part a) $12.50 #62 Friedrichschafen Markings (part b) $12.50 #63 Friedrichschafen Markings (part c) $12.50 #64 Escadrille Lafayette (1:32) $12.50 #65 Escadrille Lafayette $12.50 #66 Escadrille Lafayette (1:48) $12.50 #67 Escadrille Lafayette (1:48) $12.50 #68 Escadrille Lafayette (1:48) $12.50 #69 Groáe Eiserne Kreuze 1916-18 (1:48) $ 6.50 #70 Luftfahrtruppe Fliks 1-30 $12.50 #71 Luftfahrtruppe, Alb.D-II-III, Fliks 1-30 (1:48) $12.50 #72 Luftfahrtruppe, Jagdeinsitzer Fliks 1-30 (1:48) $12.50 #73 "ltere Eiserne Kreuze (I) (1:48) $ 6.50 #74 "ltere Eiserne Kreuze (II) (1:48) $ 6.50 #75 "ltere Eiserne Kreuze (III) (1:48) $ 6.50 #76 "ltere Eiserne Kreuze (IV) (1:48) $ 6.50 #77 "ltere Eiserne Kreuze (V) (1:48) $ 6.50 #78 "ltere Eiserne Kreuze (VI) (1:48) $ 6.50 #79 "ltere Eiserne Kreuze (VII) (1:48) $ 6.50 #80 A.E.G.(a) G series markings $12.50 #81 A.E.G.(a1) G series markings (1:48) $12.50 #82 A.E.G.(a2) G series markings (1:48) $12.50 #83 A.E.G.(b) G series markings $12.50 #84 A.E.G.(b1) G series markings (1:48) $12.50 #85 A.E.G.(b2) G series markings (1:48) $12.50 #86 A.E.G.(c) G series markings $12.50 #87 A.E.G.(c1) G series markings (1:48) $12.50 #88 A.E.G.(c2) G series markings (1:48) $12.50 #89 Autumn Leaf Camouflage $ 6.50 #90 Summer Leaf Camouflage $ 6.50 #91 Autumn Leaf Camouflage (1:48) $ 6.50 #92 Summer Leaf Camouflage (1:48) $ 6.50 #93 Zweisitzer Fliks 1-30 (1:48) $12.50 #94 Luftfahrtruppe Fliks 31-41 $12.50 #95 Albatros D-III, Fliks 31-41 (1:48) $12.50 #96 Non Albatros a/c, Fliks 31-41 (1:48) $12.50 #97 Gotha Markings (A1) (1:48) $12.50 #98 Gotha Markings (A2) (1:48) $12.50 #99 Gotha Markings (B1) (1:48) $12.50 #100 Gotha Markings (B2) (1:48) $12.50 #101 Gotha Markings, supplement (1:72/1:48) $12.50 #102 Russian Cockades (1:48) $6.50 #103 Luftfahrtruppe Fliks 42-50 $12.50 #104 Luftfahrtruppe Fliks 42-50, Einsitzer (1:48) $12.50 #105 Luftfahrtruppe Fliks 42-50, Zweisitzer (1:48) $12.50 #106 Markierungen der Kanonenstaffel: Jasta 5 (I)(1:48) $12.50 #107 Markierungen der Kanonenstaffel:Jasta 5(II)(1:48) $12.50 #108 Four-color Lozenge (top, interior) $ 6.50 #109 Four-color Lozenge (top, interior) (1:48) $ 6.50 #110 Escadrille 3, MS/N/SPA $12.50 #111 Escadrille 3, MS/N (1:48) $12.50 #112 Escadrille 3, SPADs (1:48) $12.50 #113 Escadrille 3, Ni-17 (1:32) $12.50 #114 Luftfahrtruppe Fliks 51-55 $12.50 #115 Luftfahrtruppe Fliks 51-55, Albatros (1:48) $12.50 #116 Luftfahrtruppe Fliks 51-55, non-Alb. (1:48) $12.50 #117 No. 1 Squadron R.F.C/R.A.F. $12.50 #118 No. 1 Sqdn. AVRO, Moranes, Nieuports (1:48) $12.50 #119 No. 1 Sqdn. S.E.5a s (1:48) $12.50 #120 No. 1 Sqdn. Nieuport 17s (1:32) $12.50 #121 Jagdgeschwader II, Jagdstaffel 12 $12.50 #122 JGII, Jasta 12 Albatros fighters (1:48) $12.50 #123 JGII, Jasta 12 non-Albatros (1:48) $12.50 #124 JGII, Jasta 12 Fokker Dr.I (1:28) $12.50 #125 Luftfahrtruppe Fliks 56-61 $12.50 #126 Luftfahrtruppe Fliks 56-61, Albatros (1:48) $12.50 #127 Luftfahrtruppe Fliks 56-61, non-Alb. (1:48) $12.50 #128 JG II, Jasta 13, Albatros & Fokkers $12.50 #129 JG II, Jasta 13, Albatros & Fokkers (1:48) $12.50 #130 GC 12, Les Cigones, Esc 26,73,103 $12.50 #131 GC 12, Les Cigones, Esc 26,73,103 (1) (1:48) $12.50 #132 GC 12, Les Cigones, Esc 26,73,103 (2) (1:48) $12.50 #133 GC 12, Les Cigones, Esc 26,73,103 (1:32) $12.50 #134 GC 12, Les Cigones, Esc 26,73,103 (1:28) $12.50 #135 Luftfahrtruppe Fliks 62 & higher $12.50 #136 Luftfahrtruppe Fliks 62-71 (1:48) $12.50 #137 Luftfahrtruppe Fliks 72 & higher (1:48) $12.50 #138 Jagdgeschwader II, Jagdstaffel 15 $12.50 #139 Jg II, Jasta 15, non Fokker a/c (1:48) $12.50 #140 Jg II, Jasta15, Fokker aircraft (1:48) $12.50 #141 Five-color lozenge (top/interior) $6.50 #142 Five-color lozenge (top/interior)(1:48) $6.50 #143 No. 56 Squadron RFC/RAF $12.50 #144 56 Squadron RFC/RAF RAF-built (1:48) $12.50 #145 56 Squadron RFC/RAF non-RAF-built (1:48) $12.50 #146 kuk Seeflieger (I) Alb., HB, Oeffag $12.50 #147 kuk Seeflieger (I) Fok, HB W.18, Oeffag (1:48) $12.50 #148 kuk Seeflieger (I) Alb, HB CC, Oeffag (1:48) $12.50 #149 Jg.II, Jasta 19 markings $12.50 #150 Jg.II, Jasta 19, Albatros & Fok. 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E-Mail: helpdesk@mim.com.au or phone: Australia 07 3833 8042. ************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 20:25:04 -0700 (PDT) From: bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Don't mean to butt in , butt..... Message-ID: <199907280325.UAA02330@compass.OregonVOS.net> Matt writes: -snips- >For example, locally there's a >Revell Dr.I that has been making the contest rounds with the wings >covered in lozenge, and it has been winning. Why? Something like this >should never even be thought of. It's obviously a replica of one of the "Blue Max" triplanes. :-) Cheers and all, -- Bill Shatzer - bshatzer@orednet.org "If Lincoln were alive today, he'd roll over in his grave." Gerald Ford ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 23:35:38 EDT From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Modelers vs Historians Message-ID: <77448a67.24cfd48a@aol.com> In a message dated 7/27/99 5:50:36 PM Pacific Daylight Time, Albatrosdv@aol.com writes: << If you saw her "topless" you saw the pre-Hays Code (a formal system of censorship initiated in 1927 and in force in American movies until 1964). Tom >> My copy has some...uh....uh..."hot scenery" in several frames! Btw, off topic (even if it did have Lewis-armed biplanes), I've heard that the reason "King Kong" is so dark and seemingly underexposed is that Fay Ray was a bit too.."out there" as it was photographed, so the studio just darkened the whole thing to hide her a bit.(or hide her bits..whichever!) Robert K. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 23:35:43 EDT From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Modelers vs Historians Message-ID: <2accb5e7.24cfd48f@aol.com> In a message dated 7/27/99 2:53:46 PM Pacific Daylight Time, james.d.landon@lmco.com writes: << <> Oh! ;-) I'm going to Amazon.com right now. ;-) Jim >> Oh yeah- I forgot "The Eagle and the Hawk"- a very young Cary Grant buzzing around in some kind of DH-4/9a/??? in bad camouflage. Robert K. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 23:35:40 EDT From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Modelers vs Historians Message-ID: <7474f5ce.24cfd48c@aol.com> In a message dated 7/27/99 4:56:56 PM Pacific Daylight Time, Albatrosdv@aol.com writes: << << My vote for best movie is still Wings, but then I am a sucker for the silent movies and the starlets in them. >> Especially if you latch onto the pre-Hays Code original version, where you get to see Clara Bow like you never saw her before or since in the "dream sequence." Tom Cleaver >> I forget who the girl was in "Lilac Time", but it's a silent film- a real melodramatic tear jerker. It was shown on PBS last year sometime. Not all that great as an airplane movie, but a pretty good example of linear story telling. Robert K. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 23:35:46 EDT From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: I'm BACK!!!! Message-ID: In a message dated 7/27/99 2:27:35 PM Pacific Daylight Time, ethomas6@bellsouth.net writes: << No, it's not! :( Too bad too. Because I've got the perfect window to put it in. Maybe if N.O. ever gets to host a Nats, I'll sponsor the Mike Fritz award and that's what it will be. :) E. >> Maybe get John G to kick in on the prize( I triple dog dare you, JG!)...heck...I'd go into a killer mode to win a major award like that. RK ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 23:35:37 EDT From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Dolphin Message-ID: <408ff867.24cfd489@aol.com> In a message dated 7/27/99 7:06:58 PM Pacific Daylight Time, JohnGlaser@worldnet.att.net writes: << I dunno...... We'll have to check the state of Texas - California relations before we let you in. Can't let any subversives in that might try to put avocado and bean sprouts on a hamburger! - JCG >> Them folks that do that tain't Californians- they're an elite brigade sent from parts unknown to make us look like dorks! Robert (No Sprouts)K. ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 1738 **********************