WWI Digest 1729 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Judging by peter crow 2) Anyone going to Oshkosh? by "Brad Gossen" 3) Re: Modelers vs Historians by Suvoroff@aol.com 4) Re: Photos from the Musee de l'Air by "Bill Neill" 5) Re: Judging by "Bill Neill" 6) Re: air brush question by bucky@ptdprolog.net 7) Re: air brush question by bucky@ptdprolog.net 8) Re: Anyone going to Oshkosh? by David & Carol Fletcher 9) Re: Judging by KarrArt@aol.com 10) Re: Modelers vs Historians by Zulis@aol.com 11) RE: Judging by "Chris Banyai-Riepl" 12) Re: Judging by Albatrosdv@aol.com 13) Re: Anyone going to Oshkosh? by "Brad Gossen" 14) Where are you? Was RE: Judging by "Chris Banyai-Riepl" 15) Nats pics update by Matthew E Bittner 16) Another pic by Matthew E Bittner 17) Re: Where are you? Was RE: Judging by Matthew E Bittner 18) Re: Where are you? Was RE: Judging by Zulis@aol.com 19) Re: Anyone going to Oshkosh? by Zulis@aol.com 20) Re: Where are you? by "K. Hagerup" 21) Nieuport 17 help by Matthew E Bittner 22) Re: Where are you? Was RE: Judging by "cameron rile" 23) Re: Where are you? Was RE: Judging by roguerpj 24) Re: Anyone going to Oshkosh? by David & Carol Fletcher 25) Re: Nats pics update by Albatrosdv@aol.com 26) Re: Where are you? Was RE: Judging by Albatrosdv@aol.com 27) Re: Anyone going to Oshkosh? by Albatrosdv@aol.com 28) RE: Where are you? by "Chris Banyai-Riepl" 29) Re: Changing wings - was: Voss Albatross by Pedro e Francisca Soares 30) Re: Judging / was: further on the future of the hobby..... by KarrArt@aol.com 31) Re: air brush question by BOBFABRIS@delphi.com 32) Re: Where are you? by roguerpj 33) Re: air brush question by "Lee J Mensinger" 34) Re: Where are you? by Zulis@aol.com 35) Re: Where are you? Was RE: Judging by peter crow ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 13:01:18 -0400 (EDT) From: peter crow To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Judging Message-ID: <19990724170118.1281.rocketmail@web705.mail.yahoo.com> --- Albatrosdv@aol.com wrote: > If Chris Bucholtz can make a one-night run down to > the Lower Left Corner, > Dennis, so can you. We have a pretty good > collection of WW1 modelers who > show up at ValleyCon in Pasadena, held usually in > February. It's a venue > that already exists, and a good one, too. > > Tom Cleaver > See you in Febuary Dennis..;-) P. Crow _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 13:08:57 -0400 From: "Brad Gossen" To: Subject: Anyone going to Oshkosh? Message-ID: <199907241717.NAA11628@mail6.globalserve.net> I'm leaving tomorrow for a nine day tour of volunteer duty on the warbird line and was wondering if any of you were going to be there. Look for an orange hat sporting a list button. As usual I will be sowing (sewing?) fabric and rigging dissension amongst the heavy metal and blow pipe crowd and lavishing much attention on the sole WW1 replica, a Camel, that attends each year whilst heaping much scorn on the blasphemous presence of P-thirty-somethings, B 2-a-ma-bobs, the dreaded 10-thingies, even the odd Commonwealth B***erang! I'd love to have some backup in case I need to leave in a hurry. Brad ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 13:29:22 EDT From: Suvoroff@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Modelers vs Historians Message-ID: <4894bfd3.24cb51f2@aol.com> Why Modellers vs. Historians? I consider myself 100% modeller, AND 100% historian. Yours, James D. Gray ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 10:54:38 -0700 From: "Bill Neill" To: Subject: Re: Photos from the Musee de l'Air Message-ID: <005701bed5fd$9d477260$2d34c0d8@bill> I found during the move a cute little book of photos of the models at the Musee de l'air. These seem to be a lot clearer than photos of the original airplanes,. if we can assume the models are reasonably accurate. Mostly of early French airplanes, some others. Aders 1890 Eole Langleys 1903 attempt Ferbers 1904 glider Santos Dumont 14bis Essanault Peltieres 1907 'REP' Voisin 1907 Cornu 1907 helicopter Breuget Richter 1907 Gyroplane Bleriot XI 1909 Bleriot 7 1907 Santos Dumont Demoiselle 1908 Coanda 1910 'jet' Antionette 1909 Henri Fabre 1910 Hydro aeroplane Farman 1910 Tatin Paulhan Aero Torpille 1911 Levavasseur Monobloc 191 Breuget L 1911 Voisin canard 1911 Morane G 1913 if you want scans drop me a message Bill Neill ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 10:40:35 -0700 From: "Bill Neill" To: Subject: Re: Judging Message-ID: <005601bed5fd$9c11b180$2d34c0d8@bill> What set off the original notion of 'judging' the web page with me was wondering what, if any, the relationship between the WW1 list and a regular modelling club was. We seem to have most of the characteristics apart from a physical meeting place. The web page seems to me to be the equivalent of the 'show and tell' table at meetings. I don't think we would be looking at any physical prize or trophy, only acclamation. Bill Neill > > I didn't think there was an heirarchy here. There are modelers here I know > are pretty darned good, and on a skill scale in their chosen field of > knowledge )based on what I see of their work) might be in a smaller > percentile of the population than I am, but I don't think of them as being > "above" me. OTOH, if this lets the hounds of "trophy hogging" loose, then it > wouldn't be a good idea, unless we come up with a "prize" that keeps things > in bounds. > > Tom C > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 14:06:37 -0400 From: bucky@ptdprolog.net To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: air brush question Message-ID: <379A00AD.87FE8966@ptdprolog.net> OK, you convinced me....off to buy some tomorrow! Mike Dennis Ugulano wrote: > Mike, > > >> The > alligator clips worry me a little...too strong to break some parts???? << > > Maybe for some of the new PE parts or very fragile parts. But for > your everyday plastic parts, I've never damaged a part yet. Doesn't mean I > won't do it tomorrow but so far so good. And after 10 years the spring > loses some of its strength. :-) > > Dennis Ugulano > email: Uggies@compuserve.com > http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/uggies > Page Revised 7/2/99 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 14:07:48 -0400 From: bucky@ptdprolog.net To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: air brush question Message-ID: <379A00F4.8026DF5C@ptdprolog.net> Er....that's the best part. Mike BEN8800@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 7/24/99 9:01:51 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > Uggies@compuserve.com writes: > > << > The > alligator clips worry me a little...too strong to break some parts???? << > >> > Nice clips with less pressure are women's hair clips. You can find them in > all sizes and shapes. Ends are easily bent to fit most any small part. Check > out any drug store, but don't let anyone see you sniffing a pair of nylons. > > Ben ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 10:14:07 -0700 From: David & Carol Fletcher To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Anyone going to Oshkosh? Message-ID: <3799F45F.D1F@mars.ark.com> Brad Gossen wrote: "I'm leaving tomorrow for a nine day tour of volunteer duty on the warbird line and was wondering if any of you were going to be there." I'm supposed to be leaving early in the week to ferry an "ot" 1946 Ercoupe from Vancouver Island to Toronto. Current plans are for a stop in Oshkosh - weather and time permitting. For the folks from smaller countries, that's about 21 flying hours for the trip... Dave Fletcher ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 14:38:20 EDT From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Judging Message-ID: <7b2f38cd.24cb621c@aol.com> In a message dated 7/24/99 10:03:04 AM Pacific Daylight Time, eatcrow2@yahoo.com writes: << -- Albatrosdv@aol.com wrote: > If Chris Bucholtz can make a one-night run down to > the Lower Left Corner, > Dennis, so can you. We have a pretty good > collection of WW1 modelers who > show up at ValleyCon in Pasadena, held usually in > February. It's a venue > that already exists, and a good one, too. > > Tom Cleaver > See you in Febuary Dennis..;-) P. Crow >> Yes, the Siren Song of Pasadena is calling "Dennis? Oh Dennis?" Robert K. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 15:13:16 EDT From: Zulis@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Modelers vs Historians Message-ID: <7b2ca8ea.24cb6a4c@aol.com> In a message dated 99-07-24 13:35:36 EDT, James wonders: << Why Modellers vs. Historians? I consider myself 100% modeller, AND 100% historian. >> And that used up only TWO of his nine personalities.... :-) DZ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 12:47:14 -0700 From: "Chris Banyai-Riepl" To: Subject: RE: Judging Message-ID: <000401bed60d$54448c50$565933d1@chris> > If Chris Bucholtz can make a one-night run down to the Lower Left Corner, > Dennis, so can you. We have a pretty good collection of WW1 modelers who > show up at ValleyCon in Pasadena, held usually in February. It's a venue > that already exists, and a good one, too. > Ahh, but Tom, you're forgetting the rest of the West Coasters there. Let's see. You're in southern CA. Call that the bottom point. Running the finger up the map and I'd have to say that the top point would have to be Bob up in Canada. So with those two points picked out, we fold the map and connect the top point with the bottom point, and roughly in the middle is Seattle, Washington. So you guys in CA come up, everyone at points north come down, and we all make Seattle wish Mt. Rainier erupted instead. Chris Banyai-Riepl ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 15:54:02 EDT From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Judging Message-ID: In a message dated 99-07-24 15:48:58 EDT, you write: << hh, but Tom, you're forgetting the rest of the West Coasters there. Let's see. You're in southern CA. Call that the bottom point. Running the finger up the map and I'd have to say that the top point would have to be Bob up in Canada. So with those two points picked out, we fold the map and connect the top point with the bottom point, and roughly in the middle is Seattle, Washington. So you guys in CA come up, everyone at points north come down, and we all make Seattle wish Mt. Rainier erupted instead. >> Chris: If we take population density of WW1 modelers, given that Bob is out in the back 60 of the north 40 (:-)), and you're in blink-and-you-miss-it Naselle, I think the "center" of the population map is somewhere north of Bakersfield, a place no one in their right mind would knowingly visit, so we just come a little bit south of that and - voila! - Lower Left Corner. :-) Tom Cleaver ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 16:00:58 -0400 From: "Brad Gossen" To: Subject: Re: Anyone going to Oshkosh? Message-ID: <199907242002.QAA12894@mail5.globalserve.net> Dave What's the registration? If you make it watch for me at the main intersection of the taxiways connecting 27 and 18. I'll likely be under the tail of a PBY, Tracker or Albatross (sorry guys that's with two 'ss's) near the warbird 'point'. I'm generally on the lookout for CG or CF #'s so if you see one of the marshalls jumping up and down and waving like a fool it's either me or you're about to be run over by a Stinson Tri-motor. That's an epic journey to undertake, even in a plane "So easy to fly even a housewife can learn" (The manufacturers words not mine!). Especially across the Rockies. Take care. How long will you be in TO? I'll be back on the 3rd. Perhaps we could convene a spontaneous meeting of the Toronto Jasta or 'The William Alexander Chapter' as was suggested by, I believe Bob. Dave? Kevin? Will you guys be around next week? Brad ---------- > From: David & Carol Fletcher > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: Anyone going to Oshkosh? > Date: Saturday, July 24, 1999 2:30 PM > > Brad Gossen wrote: > > "I'm leaving tomorrow for a nine day tour of volunteer duty on the > warbird line and was wondering if any of you were going to be there." > > I'm supposed to be leaving early in the week to ferry an "ot" 1946 > Ercoupe from Vancouver Island to Toronto. Current plans are for a stop > in Oshkosh - weather and time permitting. For the folks from smaller > countries, that's about 21 flying hours for the trip... > > Dave Fletcher ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 13:20:32 -0700 From: "Chris Banyai-Riepl" To: Subject: Where are you? Was RE: Judging Message-ID: <000901bed611$fae87900$565933d1@chris> > If we take population density of WW1 modelers, given that Bob is > out in the > back 60 of the north 40 (:-)), and you're in > blink-and-you-miss-it Naselle, I > think the "center" of the population map is somewhere north of > Bakersfield, a > place no one in their right mind would knowingly visit, so we just come a > little bit south of that and - voila! - Lower Left Corner. :-) > But you're forgetting the Seattle crowd, and the Vancouver, BC crowd, and Bellingham, and Portland, Oregon, etc. Which brings up the inevitable question: Where is everyone from? I know that this has been brought up a while ago, but I'm sure that there have been some new additions to the list since then. Me, as Tom has mentioned, well, I'm in Naselle, Washington. It's not in the middle of nowhere, but I can see it from my window. So where's everyone else from? Chris Banyai-Riepl ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 15:17:36 -0500 From: Matthew E Bittner To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Nats pics update Message-ID: <19990724.151736.-157847.0.mbittner@juno.com> I've been watching that site. There is now on topic fodder: http://www.chromaconcepts.com/nats_update/aircraft_pics/fokker.jpg Is there anybody else that is supplying contest info like this? Matt Bittner http://www.geocities.com/~ipmsfortcrook http://www.discoveromaha.com/community/groups/plasticmodelers/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 15:20:24 -0500 From: Matthew E Bittner To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Another pic Message-ID: <19990724.152025.-159715.0.mbittner@juno.com> I could swear this is Bill Powers' SSW (this model is on my web site): http://www.chromaconcepts.com/nats_update/aircraft_pics/siemens_schuckert .jpg Matt Bittner http://www.geocities.com/~ipmsfortcrook http://www.discoveromaha.com/community/groups/plasticmodelers/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 15:21:46 -0500 From: Matthew E Bittner To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Where are you? Was RE: Judging Message-ID: <19990724.152146.-159715.1.mbittner@juno.com> On Sat, 24 Jul 1999 16:20:10 -0400 (EDT) "Chris Banyai-Riepl" writes: > So where's everyone else from? Double edged sword, there. Where I'm from is not where I'm at. ;-) I currently reside in Omaha, NE. This is the middle of nowhere. Smack dab in the middle, too! Matt Bittner http://www.geocities.com/~ipmsfortcrook http://www.discoveromaha.com/community/groups/plasticmodelers/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 16:39:27 EDT From: Zulis@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Where are you? Was RE: Judging Message-ID: <55d5cbb0.24cb7e7f@aol.com> Chris enquires: << Where is everyone from? I know that this has been brought up a while ago, but I'm sure that there have been some new additions to the list since then. >> Well, I still have a copy of the previous "roll call" - so perhaps I should just post it and let people made additions and corrections..... Adam, Sandy Crieff, Scotland Allred, Bob Charlotte, North Carolina Anz-Meador, Dr.Phillip Houston, Texas Bacon, Bill Canyon, Texas Banyai-Riepl, Chris Naselle, Washington Barrett, Kevin Toronto, Canada Beran, Michal Strakonice, Czech republic Berlien, John Plano, Texas Bittner, Matthew E. Omaha, Nebraska Broman, Glen Port Byron, Illinois Cato, Chris Hartford, Connecticutt Crofoot, Tim Cloquet, Minnesota de C.Triffoni, Alex Campinas, Brazil Dicianna, Mike Lebanon,Oregon Endy, Leonard Prince George, Virginia Fauchon, Mick Stockton, Australia Fernetti, Diego Argentina Fisher, Eric El Dorado Hills, California Fletcher, David Courtenay, British Columbia, Canada Forsch, Carl Harrisburg, Pennsylvania Franklin, Mike Bellingham, Washington Geher, Eli Huntsville, Alabama Glaser, John Houston, Texas Glueck, Hans-Juergen Offenbach, Germany Goodwin, Riordan San Francisco, California Gossen, Brad Oshawa, Ontario, Canada (905) 721-0792 Gray, James D. Bremerton, Washington Gronczewski, Tomasz Bedzin, Poland Hagen, Knut-Erik Oslo, Norway Henderson, Sharon Fairfax, Virginia Humphreys, Jay St.Augustine, Florida Jenkins,Shane & Lorna Gorokan, Australia Karr, Robert Westminster California Kelly, David Bloomington, Indiana Kinnear, David San Jose, California Lawder, Martin Munich, Germany Lefort, Michel Braine-l'Alleud, Belgium Lyzun, Jim Thunder Bay, Canada Magnus, Al Regina, Saskatchewan, Canada McClellan, Robert Memphis ,Tennessee McOsker, Gerald P. Newport, Rhode Island Mensinger, Lee J. New Braunfels, Texas Milas, Rick Champaign, Illinois Muth, Mike East Stroudsburg, Pennsylvania Niles, Russ Sacramento, California Ozaki, Hirohisa Aichi, Japan Pearson, Bob Prince Rupert British Columbia, Canada Perry, Steven M. St.Petersburg, Florida Pliml, Jim Abilene, Texas Poloni, Franco Lodi, Italy Rada, Alberto Caracas, Venezuela Rile, Cameron Butler, New Jersey (ex pat Australian from Windsor , Sydney) Shanks, Mark Portland, Oregon Smith, Geoff Darwen, England Soares, Pedro Lisbon, Portugal Spriesterbach,Philippe Braine-l'Alleud, Belgium Sterner, David Los Angeles, California Subrt, Ivan Pilsen, West Bohemia, Czech Republic Sundberg, Steve Webster City, Iowa Superczynski, Al Little Rock, Arkansas Szymanski, Maciej Poznan, Poland Thomas, Ernest New Orleans Louisiana Valdes, Carlos Atlanta, Georgia Valenciano, Joey Manila, Philippines Vilmazer, Bulent Ankara, Turkey Vosburgh, David Egremont, Massachusetts Watt, Dave Indianapolis, Indiana Weier, Shane Brisbane, Australia Woodbury, Robert Perth, Australia Zivich, Matthew Saginaw, Michigan. Zulis, David Toronto, Canada ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 16:43:47 EDT From: Zulis@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Anyone going to Oshkosh? Message-ID: Brad asked: << Perhaps we could convene a spontaneous meeting of the Toronto Jasta or 'The William Alexander Chapter' as was suggested by, I believe Bob. Dave? Kevin? Will you guys be around next week? >> I am around until Friday afternoon, then I will be in the middle of Lake Ontario and the 1000 Islands for seven days (about 20 of us are going for a week-long cruise on my friend's boat - an ex-Coast Guard ice breaker). Counting on my fingers.... I think you will be back from Oshkosh only after I have left. :-( Dave Z ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 15:57:23 -0500 From: "K. Hagerup" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Where are you? Message-ID: <379A28B2.3B5F@prodigy.net> Omaha, Nebraska Fomerly of: San Francisco, CA Concord, CA Berkeley, CA San Diego, CA Pensacola, FL Oak Harbor, WA Montgomery, AL Norfolk, VA Ken ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 16:02:37 -0500 From: Matthew E Bittner To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Nieuport 17 help Message-ID: <19990724.160335.-66459.0.mbittner@juno.com> Believe it or not, I need some help from the 1/48th builders. What I need are scans and/or photocopies of the Eduard instructions, for both the "regular" and "ProfiPack" editions. I'm trying to figure some things out, and I think these may help. TIA! Matt Bittner http://www.geocities.com/~ipmsfortcrook http://www.discoveromaha.com/community/groups/plasticmodelers/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 17:18:56 -0300 From: "cameron rile" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Where are you? Was RE: Judging Message-ID: <199907241415376@cameron.prontomail.com> Dave, >Rile, Cameron Butler, New Jersey (ex pat Australian from Windsor , Sydney) my full name is Cameron Riley, I think prontomail chop it off at 12 chars or something like that. No biggy but it looks funny to me that there is no 'y' on the end. cam ______________________________________________________________ Get Your Free E-mail and Homepage at http://www.prontomail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 16:41:50 -0500 From: roguerpj To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Where are you? Was RE: Judging Message-ID: <379A331E.74C18054@black-hole.com> You can add my name to the list. I currently living in Minneapolis, MN USA rob johnson Zulis@aol.com wrote: > Chris enquires: > > << Where is everyone from? I know that this has been brought up a > while ago, but I'm sure that there have been some new additions to the list > since then. >> > > Well, I still have a copy of the previous "roll call" - so perhaps I should > just post it and let people made additions and corrections..... > snip........................ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 13:24:22 -0700 From: David & Carol Fletcher To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Anyone going to Oshkosh? Message-ID: <379A20F6.3765@mars.ark.com> Brad Gossen wrote: "What's the registration?" This probably is "off-list" stuff, but if a rendezvous is possible I guess it's acceptable. "CF-RGD", silver fuselage and yellow wings. "That's an epic journey to undertake..." Yup, but did it twice from coast to coast in my Cherokee. And regards "So easy to fly even a housewife can learn", this one is original, complete with no rudder pedals. "How long will you be in TO?" That depends on my ride back. I'll be there to pick up the remaining stock of my "ot" book (but I'll keep the list Dave Z. provided* to make sales pitches on the way back west...). I expect to be there for three or four days and I'd like to arrive on or before 31 July. By the way, I left home from Ajax in 1961 (Interchange 66 then, and just west of you). The aeroplane will be left at Markham, so maybe I can sneak into Oshawa Airport before I surrender it to the owner! Dave Fletcher * Dave Z. - you missed Mike Fletcher, but he's moving anyway... so put him down as Ottawa, Ontario. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 17:45:12 EDT From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Nats pics update Message-ID: In a message dated 99-07-24 16:23:17 EDT, you write: << Is there anybody else that is supplying contest info like this? >> Gary's the one and only!! Tom Cleaver ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 17:43:37 EDT From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Where are you? Was RE: Judging Message-ID: Tom Cleaver: North Hollywood, Calif. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 17:51:54 EDT From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Anyone going to Oshkosh? Message-ID: <4b2135a2.24cb8f7a@aol.com> In a message dated 99-07-24 17:41:42 EDT, you write: << "That's an epic journey to undertake..." Yup, but did it twice from coast to coast in my Cherokee. And regards "So easy to fly even a housewife can learn", this one is original, complete with no rudder pedals. >> I remember a trip from Sacramento to Oshkosh 20-odd years ago in an Ercoupe. Got to Rock Springs WY mid-day, airport altitude 7,000-something, temperature in the 90s, density altitude something maybe 2-3 feet above absolute Ercoupe ceiling. We ran the thing down the runway and off the end into the canyon, picked up flying speed down in there, spent ten minutes climbing out at around 75fpm (there were squalls everywhere and we seriously wanted to get outta Dodge), and then flew across central Wyoming at about 300' AGL, (since that's the continental divide and it slopes down from there) crossed the front west of Laramie and went over Nebraska about 1,000' AGL. I remember the tower instructions at Oshkosh-b'gosh: "Ercoupe two-eight-whiskey, you are number 200 on downwind, follow the Pietenpol." Tom Cleaver ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 14:59:07 -0700 From: "Chris Banyai-Riepl" To: Subject: RE: Where are you? Message-ID: <000a01bed61f$c0544130$565933d1@chris> Well, since it's a lazy Saturday day, and it's raining here (what else is new?!?!), I decided to see exactly where everyone is on a map. Since I had the maps out, it was only a quick addition to add a dot and save a quick JPG, so if you hurry you too can see where everyone is! At least in Europe and Australia, anyway. No names, just dots. You'll have to figure out who goes where... http://www.willapabay.org/~herper/wwi-locations/ If you want to have a dot of your very own, better make sure your location comes up! :-) Asia is next, followed by South America. North America is last because it's big.... Chris Banyai-Riepl ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 22:43:41 +0100 From: Pedro e Francisca Soares To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Changing wings - was: Voss Albatross Message-ID: <379A338C.393D4D4C@mail.telepac.pt> Lee J Mensinger wrote: > . Glad to have someone to help keep me > honest. T. Lee, Let me just put my 2 eurocents worth here to say that the stories you bring to this list every now and then are one of the (many) things that I really enjoy reading. Thanks for sharing all that precious stuff. Um abraco Pedro ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 17:57:59 EDT From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Judging / was: further on the future of the hobby..... Message-ID: <43dd60ea.24cb90e7@aol.com> In a message dated 7/24/99 12:40:27 AM Pacific Daylight Time, lensmith@clara.net writes: << Substitute Woolworths for liquor store and Airfix for Aurora and thems my sentiments too! Regards Len. >> Woolworths here too! If the local liquor store didn't have what I wanted, I could sometime beg my folks to take me to Woolworths- in those days about the best model selection around. Robert K. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 18:23:29 -0400 (EDT) From: BOBFABRIS@delphi.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: air brush question Message-ID: <01JDYAGL5SO28Y026K@delphi.com> Regarding alligator clips - - you can buylittle plastic clothespin-type spring clips, maybe an inch long, and carve the tips to suit your application. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 17:53:13 -0500 From: roguerpj To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Where are you? Message-ID: <379A43D9.945AF8E9@black-hole.com> That was fun, but wouldn't you rather model on a lazy Saturday :) rob johnson Chris Banyai-Riepl wrote: > Well, since it's a lazy Saturday day, and it's raining here (what else is > new?!?!), I decided to see exactly where everyone is on a map. Since I had > the maps out, it was only a quick addition to add a dot and save a quick > JPG, so if you hurry you too can see where everyone is! At least in Europe > and Australia, anyway. No names, just dots. You'll have to figure out who > goes where... > > http://www.willapabay.org/~herper/wwi-locations/ > > If you want to have a dot of your very own, better make sure your location > comes up! :-) Asia is next, followed by South America. North America is > last because it's big.... > > Chris Banyai-Riepl ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 18:21:00 -0500 From: "Lee J Mensinger" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: air brush question Message-ID: <379A4A5C.D061A092@wireweb.net> I modify and re-arrange the wooden ones as well. Really easy and worth the time. Saw off the forward ends to a sharp angle, like 45 degrees, or sharper, so they don't have the big blunt end and they make good clips for painting little things and clamps for gluing wings together. You can also glue two together with good wood glue. After they are dry cut off the two inside jaws as far back inside as possible. Makes a great fuselage clamp for 1/72nd scale. Try it you may like it. Lots of other things can be done as well. Lee BOBFABRIS@delphi.com wrote: > Regarding alligator clips - - you can buylittle plastic clothespin-type > spring clips, maybe an inch long, and carve the tips to suit your > application. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 19:25:50 EDT From: Zulis@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Where are you? Message-ID: <1ac07b96.24cba57e@aol.com> Greetings! Thank you for the small flurry of corrections (sorry Cam) and additions to the list. I have updated the master, and will post it in a couple of days when it appears that everyone who wishes to has made themselves known. Neat idea about the maps, Chris - but you may have to make the dots a bit more aggressive. The Australian ones dont show up on my monitor at all - maybe its my system that is the problem, not the map. Regards, Dave Z ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 19:32:46 -0400 (EDT) From: peter crow To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Where are you? Was RE: Judging Message-ID: <19990724233246.1118.rocketmail@web703.mail.yahoo.com> --- Zulis@aol.com wrote: > Chris enquires: > > << Where is everyone from? I know that this has > been brought up a > while ago, but I'm sure that there have been some > new additions to the list > since then. >> > > Well, I still have a copy of the previous "roll > call" - so perhaps I should > just post it and let people made additions and > corrections..... > > Adam, Sandy Crieff, Scotland > Allred, Bob Charlotte, North Carolina > Anz-Meador, Dr.Phillip Houston, Texas > Bacon, Bill Canyon, Texas > Banyai-Riepl, Chris Naselle, Washington > Barrett, Kevin Toronto, Canada > Beran, Michal Strakonice, Czech republic > Berlien, John Plano, Texas > Bittner, Matthew E. Omaha, Nebraska > Broman, Glen Port Byron, Illinois > Cato, Chris Hartford, Connecticutt > Crofoot, Tim Cloquet, Minnesota Crow, Peter Santa Monica, Calif. > de C.Triffoni, Alex Campinas, Brazil > Dicianna, Mike Lebanon,Oregon > Endy, Leonard Prince George, Virginia > Fauchon, Mick Stockton, Australia > Fernetti, Diego Argentina > Fisher, Eric El Dorado Hills, California > Fletcher, David Courtenay, British Columbia, Canada > Forsch, Carl Harrisburg, Pennsylvania > Franklin, Mike Bellingham, Washington > Geher, Eli Huntsville, Alabama > Glaser, John Houston, Texas > Glueck, Hans-Juergen Offenbach, Germany > Goodwin, Riordan San Francisco, California > Gossen, Brad Oshawa, Ontario, Canada (905) > 721-0792 > Gray, James D. Bremerton, Washington > Gronczewski, Tomasz Bedzin, Poland > Hagen, Knut-Erik Oslo, Norway > Henderson, Sharon Fairfax, Virginia > Humphreys, Jay St.Augustine, Florida > Jenkins,Shane & Lorna Gorokan, Australia > Karr, Robert Westminster California > Kelly, David Bloomington, Indiana > Kinnear, David San Jose, California > Lawder, Martin Munich, Germany > Lefort, Michel Braine-l'Alleud, Belgium > Lyzun, Jim Thunder Bay, Canada > Magnus, Al Regina, Saskatchewan, Canada > McClellan, Robert Memphis ,Tennessee > McOsker, Gerald P. Newport, Rhode Island > Mensinger, Lee J. New Braunfels, Texas > Milas, Rick Champaign, Illinois > Muth, Mike East Stroudsburg, Pennsylvania > Niles, Russ Sacramento, California > Ozaki, Hirohisa Aichi, Japan > Pearson, Bob Prince Rupert British Columbia, Canada > Perry, Steven M. St.Petersburg, Florida > Pliml, Jim Abilene, Texas > Poloni, Franco Lodi, Italy > Rada, Alberto Caracas, Venezuela > Rile, Cameron Butler, New Jersey (ex pat Australian > from Windsor , > Sydney) > Shanks, Mark Portland, Oregon > Smith, Geoff Darwen, England > Soares, Pedro Lisbon, Portugal > Spriesterbach,Philippe Braine-l'Alleud, Belgium > Sterner, David Los Angeles, California > Subrt, Ivan Pilsen, West Bohemia, Czech Republic > Sundberg, Steve Webster City, Iowa > Superczynski, Al Little Rock, Arkansas > Szymanski, Maciej Poznan, Poland > Thomas, Ernest New Orleans Louisiana > Valdes, Carlos Atlanta, Georgia > Valenciano, Joey Manila, Philippines > Vilmazer, Bulent Ankara, Turkey > Vosburgh, David Egremont, Massachusetts > Watt, Dave Indianapolis, Indiana > Weier, Shane Brisbane, Australia > Woodbury, Robert Perth, Australia > Zivich, Matthew Saginaw, Michigan. > Zulis, David Toronto, Canada > _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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