WWI Digest 1728 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Modelers vs Historians by "roguerpj" 2) Re: Modelers vs Historians by mgoodwin@ricochet.net 3) Re: Modelers vs Historians by Albatrosdv@aol.com 4) Re: Modelers vs Historians by David & Carol Fletcher 5) Re: Judging / was: further on the future of the hobby..... by KarrArt@aol.com 6) Re: Judging / was: further on the future of the hobby..... by KarrArt@aol.com 7) Re: [Fwd: Re: white elephants] by KarrArt@aol.com 8) Re: Modelers vs Historians by REwing@aol.com 9) RE: further on the future of the hobby..... by Shane Weier 10) Event length WAS:Judjing/ further on the future of the hobby..... by Shane Weier 11) Re: Judging / was: further on the future of the hobby..... by "Len Smith" 12) Re: Judging / was: further on the future of the hobby..... by "Len Smith" 13) Re: Judging by "Len Smith" 14) Re: Judging by Modelhound@aol.com 15) RE: Judging by Shane Weier 16) Re: air brush question by Dennis Ugulano 17) Number 89 by Dennis Ugulano 18) Re: Judging by Dennis Ugulano 19) Re: air brush question by BEN8800@aol.com 20) Photos from the Musee de l'Air by "Len Smith" 21) Re: Modelers vs Historians by Matthew E Bittner 22) Re: Judging by Matthew E Bittner 23) R.F.C. Rigging Notes by the Arms & Armour Press by "Charles and Linda Duckworth" 24) Re: Judging / was: further on the future of the hobby..... by "David Vosburgh" 25) Re: Americal Listing by "David Vosburgh" 26) Re: R.F.C. Rigging Notes by the Arms & Armour Press by "Brad Gossen" 27) Re: Number 89 by "richard eaton" 28) Re: Photos from the Musee de l'Air by Albatrosdv@aol.com 29) Re: Judging by Albatrosdv@aol.com 30) Re: Judging by Albatrosdv@aol.com 31) Re: R.F.C. Rigging Notes by the Arms & Armour Press by Fernando Lamas ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 22:58:10 -0500 From: "roguerpj" To: Subject: Re: Modelers vs Historians Message-ID: <00d401bed588$bf55eaa0$05f99ed0@robjohn.swdata.com> I have always thought of my self as part historian. I lived WWII as a tanker and traveled to the moon whit Apollo 11 as a boy through modeling. What interests me is the stories that surround the machines. I am fascinated with things like the DC2-1/5 story that was posted here a little while ago. Or the one about the French pilot's watches on the dash bords. For me it is a way of making the model that much more real. A small part of living history. I guess this is why I like to always display my models in a diorama. Even if it is just the suggestion of turf on a wood base. I like to see them live in there time and place. rob johnson -----Original Message----- From: Brent +ACY- Tina Theobald +ADw-theobat1+AEA-airmail.net+AD4- To: Multiple recipients of list +ADw-wwi+AEA-pease1.sr.unh.edu+AD4- Date: Friday, July 23, 1999 10:06 PM Subject: Modelers vs Historians +AD4-That last thread I wrote about who I would like to talk to at shows. It +AD4-got me to thinking.... +AD4- +AD4-How many of us consider ourselves modelers only? I usually like to know +AD4-who's plane I am building. Was he an ace etc... Did he survive the war? +AD4-Whatever. I want to know these things and keep their memory alive. This +AD4-is one of the main reasons I model. I use my models as a mini-history +AD4-lesson. The model helps me bridge the gap between a boring text book and +AD4-a living history. +AD4- +AD4-I like to think of myself as 50/50 modeler/historian. +AD4- +AD4-Brent +AD4- +AD4- +AD4- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 08:44:11 -0700 From: mgoodwin@ricochet.net To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Modelers vs Historians Message-ID: <3799DF4B.719A@ricochet.net> Brent & Tina Theobald wrote: > > How many of us consider ourselves modelers only? I'm not sure I put enough effort/resources into it to qualify! > I usually like to know who's plane I am building. Was he an ace etc... Did he survive the war? The human interest aspect is what got me back into WWI and compelled me to suffer the dreaded Glencoe Albatros just so I could build an A-H Koscuiszko Sq. plane with a red nose (Corsi's?). Who were these audacious Americans who challenged the Bolsheviks and won air superiority for the Poles? Adventurers in every sense of the word. > I want to know these things and keep their memory alive. Indeed. I have yet to build Aten's No. 47 Sq. Camel... >This is one of the main reasons I model. I use my models as a mini-history lesson. The model helps me bridge the gap between a boring text book and a living history. I've had this conversation with my wife who can't quite grasp the concept of modeling. The above seems to make sense to her. > I like to think of myself as 50/50 modeler/historian. In my case, its probably about 20/80. Riordan ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 00:28:01 EDT From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Modelers vs Historians Message-ID: <7247d928.24ca9ad1@aol.com> In a message dated 99-07-23 23:09:02 EDT, you write: << I like to think of myself as 50/50 modeler/historian. >> I'll agree with that assessment for myself (as anyone who visits The Aeronut can attest!). Tom Cleaver ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 21:22:39 -0700 From: David & Carol Fletcher To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Modelers vs Historians Message-ID: <37993F8F.5BCF@mars.ark.com> mgoodwin@ricochet.net wrote: "The model helps me bridge the gap between a boring text book and a living history..." Isn't it IPMS/Belgium that has the slogan "Modelling is holding history in your hands", or words to that effect? In my case, I qualify as a historian because I wrote the book on an "ot" aeroplane and I never seem to get any ^%$#@# modelling done! I've also written quite a number of articles on WWI Part II (1939-45) over the years. To be honest, I'm more interested in the machines than the people who flew them - but the operative word is "more" before I get blasted by the Boelcke Bunch or the Immelmann Idolizers, etc. Dave Fletcher Dave Fletcher ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 01:49:11 EDT From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Judging / was: further on the future of the hobby..... Message-ID: In a message dated 7/23/99 8:00:49 PM Pacific Daylight Time, theobat1@airmail.net writes: << People hardly look twice at my Finnish stuff. I do get the occaisonal "Interesting German markings". ACK!!! Drives me nuts. I am going to do some Latvian stuff too now. Nice big red swasticas, and not Nazi! >> One particular av-art dealer for years refused to carry my Finnish stuff. He'd say "I'm not sellin' any of the Nazi crap". After 10 years, I think it finally dawned on him. Robert K. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 01:49:13 EDT From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Judging / was: further on the future of the hobby..... Message-ID: In a message dated 7/23/99 5:50:19 PM Pacific Daylight Time, bucky@ptdprolog.net writes: << KarrArt@aol.com wrote: > I could never be a judge because I'm too under > the spell of what I see. I walk into a room full of great miniatures and I'm > a kid all over again and I can't digest them all fast enough. Boy, you got that right! I went to the nationals in Columbus a year or so ago and was overwhelmed. I only wished the builders were present so you could ask them questions about techniques, resources, etc.Mike Muth nl: SteelyDan on the radio >> I've never been to big multi-day event like the Nats, but yeah, part of the thrill is talking to these folks ( ans sometimes having them talk to you!) Robert K. owner of the S.Dan box set ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 01:49:16 EDT From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: [Fwd: Re: white elephants] Message-ID: In a message dated 7/23/99 2:30:22 AM Pacific Daylight Time, Albatrosdv@aol.com writes: << << Great e-mail address, by the way. >> Following in the footsteps of the great Robert Karr (PfalzDIII@aol.com) :-) Tom >> I grunt and blush! RK ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 01:57:45 EDT From: REwing@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Modelers vs Historians Message-ID: <5f115d55.24caafd9@aol.com> << I like to think of myself as 50/50 modeler/historian. Brent >> Me, too!! About the same proportions. -Rick- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 16:32:27 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: further on the future of the hobby..... Message-ID: <65C968E11318D311B0BD0060B06865CD4758E2@mimhexch.mim.com.au> Arron, > I wish that would happen more often. Any of the events I have > been to I > found it very discouraging to the junior modelers. The events > that I have > been to the junior were last in announcing the winners and by > the time the > judges were announcing the junior winners all of the adults > had pretty much > up and left. I always felt bad for the junior entrants as > they had stuck it > through the adult judging but few adults seemed to be there > to celebrate with them. Excuse me for a few more moments of EtH red. ^%$#67%^$%$#%6%$#%$#@#^%$ !!! It sounds like these contests are run by Homer himself. Does anyone actually *think* about what is being done - particularly as far as promotion of the hobby is concerned? FWIW our Junior/Intermediate awards are made mid ceremony, at which time everyone is still there anyway - because no-one is allowed to collect their model(s) before the presentations are finished. Does wonders holding those little plastic hostages ;-) Shane ************************************************************** The information contained in this E-Mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this E-Mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this E_Mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted E-Mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Help Desk. E-Mail: helpdesk@mim.com.au or phone: Australia 07 3833 8042. ************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 17:00:18 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: Event length WAS:Judjing/ further on the future of the hobby..... Message-ID: <65C968E11318D311B0BD0060B06865CD4758E3@mimhexch.mim.com.au> > << KarrArt@aol.com wrote: > I've never been to big multi-day event like the Nats, but > yeah, part of the thrill is talking to these folks > ( ans sometimes having them talk to you!) > Robert K. I've only recently come to the realisation that *most* shows in the US *aren't* multi day. Why I had the impression they'd be 2 or more day shows has me beat since AFAIK all our show are one day except our de facto "Nationals", in Melbourne and QMHE in Brisbane. I have to say, given the exhaustion I feel on the Monday after QMHE, that I ought to salute anyone who can organise a major show so that they can setup, judge, show, buy and sell, hand out awards, smooze sponsors, unruffle feathers and tear down on the same day. OTOH, for all my bitching, there's not much better than 2 1/2 days of talking models, inspecting other peoples work, cruising the trade stands, flirting with bankruptcy, and making impossible resolutions in the incredible haze of inspiration. Incidentally, further to a comment by one of our English members, our show is *also* as much about club displays as anything. Looking over the floor plan sitting by my computer I see that about 20% of the area is contes, and the remainder is evenly divided between club and trade stands. For our North American members I should explain that the clubs display models made by their own members, usually in a theme chosen by their club, and with varying levels of sophistication in the display. Then the displays are operated by a couple of members throughout, with the intent of apprehending bodily any member of the public (especially children) who show the slightest interest, and dragging them screaming to all future club meetings. (This is how I found my club, or rather, how they found me!) In our case, most intrastate (as opposed to local) and overseas visitors arrive Friday and leave Sunday, so there are also night long parties and building sessions going on - much, I suspect, as at any decnt convention. Man, I can't wait. Except, I still have to post out floor plans, do radio interviews, distribute sponsor and guest passes, hassle advertisers............. Shane ************************************************************** The information contained in this E-Mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this E-Mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this E_Mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted E-Mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Help Desk. E-Mail: helpdesk@mim.com.au or phone: Australia 07 3833 8042. ************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 07:50:46 +0100 From: "Len Smith" To: Subject: Re: Judging / was: further on the future of the hobby..... Message-ID: <012101bed5a7$8b997fa0$dd5b08c3@default> You mean you met the REAL ET!!! Wow. And which Al? lensmith@clara.net http://home.clara.net/lensmith -From: Matthew E Bittner > > I wish I knew you were there! There were a bunch of us there. Hustad, > Pilawskii, Huggins, et.al. > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 08:36:52 +0100 From: "Len Smith" To: Subject: Re: Judging / was: further on the future of the hobby..... Message-ID: <012301bed5a7$8e72de60$dd5b08c3@default> Robert K wrote:- > I also keep my eyes out for the oddballs- the strange and > delightful hiding in the midst of all these offspring of Willy M.. Whoever > made "Invisible Man in the Snow" a few years ago at the Chino show gets my > applause- it was nothing more than a little base with some white powder, a > little ground work and two footprints. I delight in the offbeat (by the rest of the modeling world's standards). Also some time back we had the Marmite Soldier. But I suppose that is not Politically Correct now. I can also recall seeing somewhere a model of the AD Scout, really offbeat!:-)) > BUT...in closing.....as much as enjoy it all, I do get misty eyed at the > sight of any WW I model- plane, tank, ship, any scale. I'm twelve years >old again, riding my bike down to the liquor store to get another Aurora DH-4. >No judges, no contests, just my friends and me having a blast on a Saturday > afternoon. Substitute Woolworths for liquor store and Airfix for Aurora and thems my sentiments too! Regards Len. lensmith@clara.net ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 08:12:06 +0100 From: "Len Smith" To: Subject: Re: Judging Message-ID: <012201bed5a7$8d019b20$dd5b08c3@default> Shane (the not so old) wrote:- > > We also give "bonus" points above & beyond the basics for trying > something to correct the model, doing a vacform & scratchbuilding, to > encourage modelling skills. > Why? Is it STILL considered so much harder to score and snap parts from a vac sheet than cut parts from an injection sprue? I find it much harder to build some of the resin kits that are around where you have to spend the first week or so just getting rid of the surplus resin, both outside and inside the parts. Scratchbuilding, yes, that I can understand--but vacforms no. Regards Puzzled Len. lensmith@clara.net ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 04:54:59 EDT From: Modelhound@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Judging Message-ID: <4739bf3f.24cad963@aol.com> In a message dated 7/23/99 6:53:55 PM Pacific Daylight Time, james.d.landon@lmco.com writes: << <> >> I think it would be a big mistake to establish ANY sort of heirarchy within this newsgroup. Mike Franklin Bellingham, WA ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 22:16:30 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Judging Message-ID: <65C968E11318D311B0BD0060B06865CD4758E4@mimhexch.mim.com.au> Len, (Ha! Now I remember who was talking about UK models shows) > Shane (the not so old) wrote:- > > > > > We also give "bonus" points above & beyond the basics for trying > > something to correct the model, doing a vacform & > scratchbuilding, to encourage modelling skills. > > > Why? Is it STILL considered so much harder to score and snap > parts from a vac sheet than cut parts from an injection sprue? Noting that the above comment was the *other* Shane, I'll point out that we don't do this at QMHE, but *do* do so at one of the two clubs I belong to. There are two justifications. One - that vacs are harder to build *or* require more effort on the part of the modeller to get an equivalent result (because of the absence of details which need scratchbuilding). Two - as a form of incentive to get people to *try* a vacform. > Scratchbuilding, yes, that I can > understand--but vacforms no. In fact, at BSM there are also bonuses above and beyond base points for Limited Run, Vacform, and Resin Kits as well as Scratchbuilding. BUT...the available bonuses are structured so there are few extra points available for Resins, and many more for scratchbuilds. AND...a simple vacform which included (for example) resin details, good decals and all mod-cons would be allocated few if any *possible* extra points and not necessarily get them unless done really well. The intent (developed years before I arrived there) was to encourage people to try something different, which it does. If they enjoy doing so, and learn something new, they get a bonus greater than the points, and well worth the complexity Shane ************************************************************** The information contained in this E-Mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this E-Mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this E_Mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted E-Mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Help Desk. E-Mail: helpdesk@mim.com.au or phone: Australia 07 3833 8042. ************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 08:59:57 -0400 From: Dennis Ugulano To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Re: air brush question Message-ID: <199907240900_MC2-7E2C-F250@compuserve.com> Mike, >> The alligator clips worry me a little...too strong to break some parts???? << Maybe for some of the new PE parts or very fragile parts. But for your everyday plastic parts, I've never damaged a part yet. Doesn't mean I won't do it tomorrow but so far so good. And after 10 years the spring loses some of its strength. :-) Dennis Ugulano email: Uggies@compuserve.com http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/uggies Page Revised 7/2/99 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 09:00:00 -0400 From: Dennis Ugulano To: "INTERNET:wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Number 89 Message-ID: <199907240900_MC2-7E2C-F253@compuserve.com> All, Another one has left the table to take its place in the display case. The TOKO No 139, Sopwith 1 1/2 Strutter Single Seat Bomber has joined the collection. I was a nice little kit to build until I got to the cabanes and it went downhill from there. They just would not fit. I had to scrap them and build them on piece at a time. No modifications were made, it is strictly OOB. Good quality parts, no flash and all of the parts fit well together. The cabane problem was probably me as they seemed to dry fit fine. It's a nice looking little kit and I like the decal. As soon as I free up some space on my site I will post it. Dennis Ugulano email: Uggies@compuserve.com http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/uggies Page Revised 7/2/99 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 08:59:59 -0400 From: Dennis Ugulano To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Re: Judging Message-ID: <199907240900_MC2-7E2C-F252@compuserve.com> Matt, >> So, the midwest seems to have plenty of WW1 interested people we might be able to get something together. << I like this idea although traveling to the midwest is a little out of my range. But what about us West Coasters doing something like this? We could do it regionally and all gather is one location. Then I can put faces with the names I've seen over the past 6 months. I think an all WW1 display would be awesome. We could photograph the event and post it to show everyone else. I think it would be fun. Anyone else like the idea? Dennis Ugulano email: Uggies@compuserve.com http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/uggies Page Revised 7/2/99 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 09:34:25 EDT From: BEN8800@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: air brush question Message-ID: In a message dated 7/24/99 9:01:51 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Uggies@compuserve.com writes: << > The alligator clips worry me a little...too strong to break some parts???? << >> Nice clips with less pressure are women's hair clips. You can find them in all sizes and shapes. Ends are easily bent to fit most any small part. Check out any drug store, but don't let anyone see you sniffing a pair of nylons. Ben ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 15:08:54 +0100 From: "Len Smith" To: Subject: Photos from the Musee de l'Air Message-ID: <002101bed5de$4df1c9a0$775b08c3@default> Greetings all, Allan put some of my photos from Le Bourget on my page on the site, and then sneaked off on his pub crawl without telling anyone. You may find one or two interesting, might be worth a look. Regards Len. PS Why are all kangaroo wrestlers and crocodile eaters called Shane. Most confusing! :-) lensmith@clara.net http://home.clara.net/lensmith ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 09:10:35 -0500 From: Matthew E Bittner To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Modelers vs Historians Message-ID: <19990724.092743.-99339.1.mbittner@juno.com> On Fri, 23 Jul 1999 23:07:32 -0400 (EDT) Brent & Tina Theobald writes: > I like to think of myself as 50/50 modeler/historian. Same here. I sometimes have more fun tracking things down than modeling. However, when it's something no one has modeled - or seen - before, then it's great when the model is finished. For example, the SOP 287 Strutter. I was able to view a picture no one has seen and base my model on that. I have another like that I'll start soon. It's cool when you get to make your own mistakes as far as color goes, and no one is the wiser. ;-) Matt Bittner http://www.geocities.com/~ipmsfortcrook http://www.discoveromaha.com/community/groups/plasticmodelers/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 09:19:24 -0500 From: Matthew E Bittner To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Judging Message-ID: <19990724.092743.-99339.2.mbittner@juno.com> On Sat, 24 Jul 1999 09:01:09 -0400 (EDT) Dennis Ugulano writes: > I like this idea although traveling to the midwest is a > little out > of my range. But what about us West Coasters doing something like > this? > We could do it regionally and all gather is one location. Then I > can put > faces with the names I've seen over the past 6 months. I think an > all WW1 > display would be awesome. We could photograph the event and post it > to > show everyone else. I think it would be fun. Anyone else like the > idea? I like Dennis' idea. For those who don't want to compete at next year's Regionals here, bring your models anyway, and I'll set up a table (or two or three :-) for display only, and have some sort of banner or some such talking about the models and also the list. What does everyone think? Plus for those who attend, and who have them, bring and wear your buttons. Matt Bittner http://www.geocities.com/~ipmsfortcrook http://www.discoveromaha.com/community/groups/plasticmodelers/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 09:33:55 -0500 From: "Charles and Linda Duckworth" To: "ww1list" Subject: R.F.C. Rigging Notes by the Arms & Armour Press Message-ID: <00a301bed5e1$91c02840$865cdfd1@q1p5x0> Does anyone have R.F.C. Rigging Notes by Arms & Armour Press? if so could you email me the author and ISBN? Want to see if I can get through inter-library loan. Thanks, Charlie ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 10:51:46 -0400 From: "David Vosburgh" To: Subject: Re: Judging / was: further on the future of the hobby..... Message-ID: <002d01bed5e4$0de00ec0$7ed690d0@Pvosburg> -----Original Message----- From: Shane Weier Date: Friday, July 23, 1999 1:27 AM Subject: RE: Judging / was: further on the future of the hobby..... 'Breaker' Weier writes: >Incidentally, lest anyone think we're all too serious about it, rule 20 >reads > >"All entrants should remember that all the participants in the competition >share the same passion for the hobby as you. All entrants should have fun >and compete in the spirit of friendship with other modellers" ... and if anybody's too dumb to abide by Rule 20, you could always threaten them with Rule .303, right? DV ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 12:08:36 -0400 From: "David Vosburgh" To: Subject: Re: Americal Listing Message-ID: <014c01bed5ee$c9c7cd80$7ed690d0@Pvosburg> -----Original Message----- From: James Gibbons Date: Friday, July 23, 1999 10:11 AM Subject: Americal Listing James writes: >I seem to recall that someone had a scanned or text version of Americals >catalog they offered to send to folks. I'm hoping to get a copy as I would >like to place an order with Mr. Merrill shortly. I think the (sorely missed!) temporary list exile Steven Perry sent one to me a while back, but it was just the price sheet and not the whole catalog. BTW, I got two sheets of RAF roundels last winter from Americal, and was disappointed to find that both (1:72 and 1:48) were printed off-register. The white surrounds were lopsided, and neccessitated hand painting the border on every one I used for the Pup... Is this indicative of his decals in general, or did I happen to get two bum sheets? Regards, DV ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 12:44:55 -0400 From: "Brad Gossen" To: Subject: Re: R.F.C. Rigging Notes by the Arms & Armour Press Message-ID: <199907241653.MAA11117@mail6.globalserve.net> British Military Aircraft Of World War One The Official Technical and Rigging Notes for RFC and RNAS Fighting and Training Aeroplanes, 1914-1918 RAF Museum Series Volume 4 Arms & Armour Press, 1976 ISBN: 0 85368 261 5 Brad ---------- > From: Charles and Linda Duckworth > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: R.F.C. Rigging Notes by the Arms & Armour Press > Date: Saturday, July 24, 1999 10:30 AM > > Does anyone have R.F.C. Rigging Notes by Arms & Armour Press? if so could > you email me the author and ISBN? Want to see if I can get through > inter-library loan. Thanks, Charlie ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 11:47:21 -0500 From: "richard eaton" To: Subject: Re: Number 89 Message-ID: <199907241646.LAA13388@sierra.onr.com> Congrats on #89 Dennis. I know you have a lot of irons on the fire! Can't wait to take a look see. Regards, Richard (who just resubbed after a week in sunny CA. Made the usual trek to San Antonio's Hobby. Great place but very little on topic stuff in my scale this time.) ---------- > From: Dennis Ugulano > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Number 89 > Date: Saturday, July 24, 1999 8:00 AM > > All, > > Another one has left the table to take its place in the display > case. > > The TOKO No 139, Sopwith 1 1/2 Strutter Single Seat Bomber has > joined the collection. > > I was a nice little kit to build until I got to the cabanes and it > went downhill from there. They just would not fit. I had to scrap them > and build them on piece at a time. > > No modifications were made, it is strictly OOB. Good quality > parts, no flash and all of the parts fit well together. The cabane problem > was probably me as they seemed to dry fit fine. It's a nice looking little > kit and I like the decal. > > As soon as I free up some space on my site I will post it. > > Dennis Ugulano > email: Uggies@compuserve.com > http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/uggies > Page Revised 7/2/99 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 12:49:23 EDT From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Photos from the Musee de l'Air Message-ID: In a message dated 99-07-24 10:10:56 EDT, you write: << Why are all kangaroo wrestlers and crocodile eaters called Shane. Most confusing! :-) >> And which one is which??? Inquiring minds want to know!! Tom Cleaver ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 12:45:35 EDT From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Judging Message-ID: In a message dated 99-07-24 04:57:40 EDT, you write: << >> I think it would be a big mistake to establish ANY sort of heirarchy within this newsgroup. >> I didn't think there was an heirarchy here. There are modelers here I know are pretty darned good, and on a skill scale in their chosen field of knowledge )based on what I see of their work) might be in a smaller percentile of the population than I am, but I don't think of them as being "above" me. OTOH, if this lets the hounds of "trophy hogging" loose, then it wouldn't be a good idea, unless we come up with a "prize" that keeps things in bounds. Tom C ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 12:48:08 EDT From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Judging Message-ID: In a message dated 99-07-24 09:02:31 EDT, you write: << I like this idea although traveling to the midwest is a little out of my range. But what about us West Coasters doing something like this? We could do it regionally and all gather is one location. Then I can put faces with the names I've seen over the past 6 months. I think an all WW1 display would be awesome. We could photograph the event and post it to show everyone else. I think it would be fun. Anyone else like the idea? >> If Chris Bucholtz can make a one-night run down to the Lower Left Corner, Dennis, so can you. We have a pretty good collection of WW1 modelers who show up at ValleyCon in Pasadena, held usually in February. It's a venue that already exists, and a good one, too. Tom Cleaver ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 09:52:15 -0700 From: Fernando Lamas To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: R.F.C. Rigging Notes by the Arms & Armour Press Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.19990724095215.007cb700@olympus.net> At 10:30 AM 7/24/99 -0400, you wrote: >Does anyone have R.F.C. Rigging Notes by Arms & Armour Press? if so could >you email me the author and ISBN? Want to see if I can get through >inter-library loan. Thanks, Charlie > The full title would be: British Military Aircraft of World War One - The Official Technical and Rigging Notes for RFC and RNAS Fighting and Training aeroplanes 1914-1918. RAF Museum Series: Volume 4 General Editor: John Tanner, Director, RAF Museum Arms & Armour Press ISBN 0 85368 261 5 Fernando Lamas ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 1728 **********************