WWI Digest 1726 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: exactitude by KarrArt@aol.com 2) Re: Judging / was: further on the future of the hobby..... by KarrArt@aol.com 3) Model Contests - my 2 cents by "d mather" 4) Re: San Diego Bound by KarrArt@aol.com 5) Re: James Gray's models by KarrArt@aol.com 6) Re: [Fwd: Re: white elephants] by Albatrosdv@aol.com 7) Re: Judging by "roguerpj" 8) Re: Judging / was: further on the future of the hobby..... by Albatrosdv@aol.com 9) Re: Judging by Albatrosdv@aol.com 10) Re: Judging / was: further on the future of the hobby..... by Albatrosdv@aol.com 11) Re: Judging by "Bob Pearson" 12) Re: exactitude & aerial photos by Zulis@aol.com 13) RE: Paint storage by "Diego Fernetti" 14) Re: Air brush question by Matthew E Bittner 15) Re: Judging by Matthew E Bittner 16) Re: Judging / was: further on the future of the hobby..... by Matthew E Bittner 17) RE: exactitude by "Diego Fernetti" 18) windsock by "Diego Fernetti" 19) Re: Judging / was: further on the future of the hobby..... by "cameron rile" 20) RE: Fokker "Squiggles" by "Diego Fernetti" 21) Re: Judging by Shane & Lorna Jenkins 22) Re: Air brush question by Dennis Ugulano 23) Re: further on the future of the hobby..... by "Paul Schwartzkopf" 24) Re: Judging by "Paul Schwartzkopf" 25) Americal Listing by James Gibbons 26) Re: Americal Listing by "Bill Neill" 27) Re: Judging by Matthew E Bittner 28) Search Engine by BEN8800@aol.com 29) Re: Search Engine by Albatrosdv@aol.com 30) Something to knock your socks off! by Albatrosdv@aol.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 01:09:21 EDT From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: exactitude Message-ID: In a message dated 7/22/99 11:24:08 AM Pacific Daylight Time, mkendix@worthen.ihcrp.georgetown.edu writes: << OK, but weren't there a number of fake photographs - mid air collisions etc, plus the yellow and red designed Albatros on the dust jacket of Jane's? BTW, Bill S. was the one who informed me about these, although I'm sure their existence was well known to many others. Michael >> I run across photos quite often that have been retouched, and sometimes quite crudely, but except for the famous Cockburn-Lange fakes( the ones you've mentioned), I don't know if I seen any other pieces of pure trickery like these! Robert K. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 01:09:23 EDT From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Judging / was: further on the future of the hobby..... Message-ID: In a message dated 7/22/99 10:14:39 AM Pacific Daylight Time, Albatrosdv@aol.com writes: << I go to those shows since they're the place most likely to meet the RK's of this world >> I go to these shows to meet the Tom Cs and Peter Cs and Candice U's of the world (except when ONCE and only once I actually went on a mission to WIN and did, for reasons beyond pot-hunting)...AND another reason is to be lost for a short time in "Model World". I could never be a judge because I'm too under the spell of what I see. I walk into a room full of great miniatures and I'm a kid all over again and I can't digest them all fast enough. The truly bad ones are rare, and the worst I see is.....boring....I really do yawn at the big 1/32 jets with $200 of aftermarket parts. But then again, I have to admit, I have been left gasping after seeing one of these monsters done particularly well. I also keep my eyes out for the oddballs- the strange and delightful hiding in the midst of all these offspring of Willy M.. Whoever made "Invisible Man in the Snow" a few years ago at the Chino show gets my applause- it was nothing more than a little base with some white powder, a little ground work and two footprints. I delight in the offbeat (by the rest of the modeling world's standards). A glaring monster sitting on a table not too far from 23,435 versions of the latest Hasemiya cliche.....my oh my..what's that? It's...it's....it's ...it's an Aurora Gotha! By none other than out own Candace! Whether it won an award from the judges or not, I gave it one in my brain, not just for craftsmanship(craftswomanship?) but for audacity. Heck, I look at all of it! Even the East LA cruiser car models ( a bit of a local reference) BUT...in closing.....as much as enjoy it all, I do get misty eyed at the sight of any WW I model- plane, tank, ship, any scale. I'm twelve years old again, riding my bike down to the liquor store to get another Aurora DH-4. No judges, no contests, just my friends and me having a blast on a Saturday afternoon. Robert K. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 22:59:18 PDT From: "d mather" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Model Contests - my 2 cents Message-ID: <19990723055919.82306.qmail@hotmail.com> I am excited to begin entering a WW1 airplane (or is it aeroplane?) at the next show. For some time, I have entered the 1/48th WW2 catagory, so I know how popular that is. But after our biggest area show produced 4 1/48 scale WW1 kits (very well done I thought), I decided to make every effort to enter, even tho I still havent acquired all the skills to be a 'good' stringbag modeler. I just want to show support for the era, and who knows, maybe something I do will inspire one more person to try a Sopwith, or neiport or Albatros. I even want to complete some of the great Sierra Scale vacs so that less common planes get some representation. I fear greatly that they will not be allowed to compete in the biplane competition, but I have no desire to display them next to an F-84 vac... would rather just stick it in the OT area just to get the flavor of the variety.. doug _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 02:10:26 EDT From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: San Diego Bound Message-ID: <7c4364ad.24c96152@aol.com> In a message dated 7/22/99 1:43:17 AM Pacific Daylight Time, Albatrosdv@aol.com writes: << << Thanks Robert, Tom, and Aidrian. Your suggestion allowed me to stake a claim for a "ME" day. Really looking forward to this trip a lot now!!! >> And if, for some reason, they would not be interested in this superb museum, they can go to the zoo and the natural history musuem, and the art musuem, etc., etc., all within a 10-minute walk of the aerospace musuem, so you can all hook up at various times if necessary. Tom C >> and the Natural History Museum has( or at least used to) an ancient mummified cat- always a treat! Seriously- that entire museum complex would take an entire vacation to explore. Robert K. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 02:10:25 EDT From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: James Gray's models Message-ID: In a message dated 7/22/99 2:26:20 AM Pacific Daylight Time, Suvoroff@aol.com writes: << Quoth one James D. to the other; "James, how do you get such detail and realism in microscopic scales? " By the substitution of persistance for any real skill. Yours, James D. Gray >> "By the substitution of persistance for any real skill" I LIKE that. My new motto. Any of you classically trained folks able to put that in Latin? I bet it would sound GREAT! Now... about that big Caudron.......Fine work- and a fellow just doesn't see one of these every day! Robert K. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 02:28:20 EDT From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: [Fwd: Re: white elephants] Message-ID: <526c8831.24c96584@aol.com> In a message dated 99-07-22 19:22:38 EDT, you write: << Great e-mail address, by the way. >> Following in the footsteps of the great Robert Karr (PfalzDIII@aol.com) :-) Tom ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 01:41:05 -0500 From: "roguerpj" To: Subject: Re: Judging Message-ID: <001a01bed4d6$57c264c0$05f99ed0@robjohn.swdata.com> I have be reading these posts with interest. You see I have never been to a modeling +ACI-event+ACI- of any kind. This is not by choice I have just never been presented with the opportunity. The closest I came was when I found out I had just missed the IPMS Region 5 Convention here in Minneapolis two days after it took place. (or may be it was the figure modeling show at GENCON, but we don't talk about that here) Having said that I wondered. Has anyone thought of doing just a WWI only event? Just to draw attention to this section of the hobby. May be not even judge the entrants. Combine it with some WWI history. These are just some ramblings by a complete idiot. Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain rob johnson -----Original Message----- From: K. Hagerup +ADw-hagerupk+AEA-prodigy.net+AD4- To: Multiple recipients of list +ADw-wwi+AEA-pease1.sr.unh.edu+AD4- Date: Thursday, July 22, 1999 7:39 PM Subject: Re: Judging +AD4-I'm probably not qualified to add much to the discussion because I +AD4-haven't been to any organized modeling event or meeting for over a year, +AD4-but my impressions are that WWI content at contests does suffer from +AD4-lack of interest and knowlege from judges. Most judges (and modelers) +AD4-just don't build WWI. If the goal is to encourage more WWI entries, it +AD4-helps to, if not have a separate category for WWI, at least sponsor a +AD4-special WWI theme award. As an (almost) exclusive 1/72 modeler, it is +AD4-frustrating to have to overcome the bigger is better syndrome. Matt's +AD4-allusion to the orange-cockpited 1/24 Airfix Ju87 left out the fact the +AD4-modeler put every single decal on the sheet on the model, including the +AD4-one listing the sheet as a Ju-87 (perhaps to ensure the Luftwaffe pilot +AD4-would man up the correct aircraft type). Yet, it was undeniably big, +AD4-and won best of aircraft. +AD4- +AD4-Ken +AD4- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 02:31:43 EDT From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Judging / was: further on the future of the hobby..... Message-ID: <42c08a31.24c9664f@aol.com> In a message dated 99-07-22 19:25:01 EDT, you write: <> Most of the time up here, there have to be at least two separate modelers represented by the models in a category. Some contests have a "no sweeps" rule, i.e., the one person can't take all three, some say the three best get it regardless. But pretty much all have the attitude that one should not shoot fish in a barrel. Besides, they'd probably be considered endangered fish and then you'd be in the deep doo-doo. "-) Tom C ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 02:36:01 EDT From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Judging Message-ID: In a message dated 99-07-22 21:28:02 EDT, you write: << As an (almost) exclusive 1/72 modeler, it is frustrating to have to overcome the bigger is better syndrome. Matt's allusion to the orange-cockpited 1/24 Airfix Ju87 left out the fact the modeler put every single decal on the sheet on the model, including the one listing the sheet as a Ju-87 (perhaps to ensure the Luftwaffe pilot would man up the correct aircraft type). Yet, it was undeniably big, and won best of aircraft. >> I think that would be the last time my shadow would fall on the floor at that show. Tom Cleaver ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 02:48:56 EDT From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Judging / was: further on the future of the hobby..... Message-ID: Actually, I think Len might be right about the different kinds of competitiveness between Americans and Brits. After all, about the only game in the States any child is allowed to play in without having to be a "star" at it over here is soccer, the game that "doesn't matter" to most Americans (though the 95,000 at the Rosebowl recently for the Women's World Cup might beg to differ). But we do start out our socialization process where the child who likes baseball/football/name it who does not prove to be "outstanding" fairly quickly does find themselves being cheered on less frequently by the coach/team/parent etc. Even the schoolground games have the kid who is the last one chosen for that reason. What I notice among most of the really active "trophy hogs" here - at least in the Lower Left Corner - is that they do not appear to have the kinds of jobs where they receive much professional recognition, and do not have that much professional opportunity, either, so something like a plastic cup for a plastic model substitutes for what isn't received elsewhere. This is not to say that there are no modelers who win prizes who are not "hunting," after all skill and talent do count (and they are the modelers I go to the show to meet), but I am thinking rather of the ones who choose a model to build not necessarily because they like that item, but rather because it will be "popular" at the contest; these people have a lot to do with many American modelers feeling that club modeling "isn't fun anymore," and they are right to feel that way. Maybe it's too bad "sportsmanship" in the British fashion never seemed to take hold here; I guess we were too busy conquering the continent to civilize ourselves thus. Tom Cleaver ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 00:09:13 -0700 From: "Bob Pearson" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Judging Message-ID: <199907230715.AAA13097@mail.rapidnet.net> Rob writes . .. > Having said that I wondered. Has anyone thought of doing just a WWI only > event? Just to draw attention to this section of the hobby. May be not even > judge the entrants. Combine it with some WWI history. Yup. . OTF did it at the last two seminars. .. I was roped in to be one of the judges at the last one. Rather then a contest as such it was more of a show in which each model competed against itself and a possible maximum number of points. Points were deducted for various blemishes and such, and documentation was required for extra points ... one fellow used his own article as reference (no it wasn't me). Bob ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 03:48:31 EDT From: Zulis@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: exactitude & aerial photos Message-ID: Bill writes: << The claim for the Cockburn-Lange photos was inaccurate in any case. Guynemer (and probably others) actually took some aerial combat photos. Not surprisingly however, they tend to be grainy, misfocused, with mediocre contrast and not a third as impressive as the carefully staged Cockburn-Lange fakes. >> WWI Aero magazine did an excellent report on the Cockburn-Lange material - I dont recall the issue numbers but if someone wants to pursue this, I can look it up for them. Bill raises an issue which I may have mentioned here before, but has bothered me for some time. When reading autobiographies, I occasionally read that during training, the pilots were sent up with cameras which showed how well they did in mock combats. These photos were surely very poor and were not designed for detail or clarity (such as recon photos might be), but it seems there must have been an awful lot of them. Why aren't we awash with these things, kept by pilots who wanted some fuzzy representation of their practice performance? Even if officially they didnt allow the pilots to keep these, I cant believe these things didnt survive in some numbers somewhere. Could the photographic materials used for this purpose have been of such low quality that the photos were useless after a short while (such as the early polaroids used to be)? I wonder. Regards, Dave Z ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 07:05:33 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: Subject: RE: Paint storage Message-ID: <001c01bed429$bd527d00$4640a8c0@prens-001.ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Lee I really admire you, your system has many advantages. You are very organized! I just mix the stuff from the humbrol tinlettes until "looks right". After the paintjob, I just throw away what's left. What if I need more paint? Well, I'm just in deeeeeep trouble! D. Whose family keep asking themselves why there's always strange colors in the sink. -----Mensaje original----- De: Lee J Mensinger Para: Multiple recipients of list Fecha: Jueves, 22 de Julio de 1999 03:27 p.m. Asunto: Re: Paint storage >A problem, "evolves" in that many people have over the years developed mixtures >which they find more to their lioking. > >For these the solution is obvious. Label the bottle. Cheap, Easy and if you >are bright enought to get "easy off labels" the whole thing is super simple. I >also punch a hole in file cards, airbrush the end of the card that has the >hole, so the paint enters the hole. I then put the formula for the paint on >the 4X5 card and file it. > >Why the hole in the card. I can hold it over the paint I wish to match and >when the hole dissappears , or close to it, I am where I want to be. > >I have a nice file box for the cards and I kept it simple. With appropriate >colors on the tabs dividing the colors and the shades get darker from front to >back. Have about 90 shades. > >Label the bottle the same as the shade. Lee > >"Landon, James D" wrote: > >> <<...This way I look straight at the labels...>> >> >> I wondered when somebody was going to say that. That's how I have mine. >> When a wonderful label is provided on the front, why is everybody trying to >> find the best way to label the top? >> >> Jim, just now reading what came in overnight, pardon the intrusion >> >> > ---------- >> > From: Tom Solinski >> > Reply To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu >> > Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 1999 2:01 PM >> > To: Multiple recipients of list >> > Subject: Re: Paint storage >> > >> > Bill and team(?) Oh, TEAMS (you know us and them) >> > >> > I made a spray booth out of a free standing wardrobe (I can't spell >> > armoire) I used 1-1/2 'L" angle aluminum extrusion for shelving. It's >> > just wide enough for a testors type paint bottle and relatively >> > inexpensive. This way I look straight at the labels, and of course the >> > shelves are arranged in FS 595 numerical order, Unless they are >> > arranged by ot nationality. >> > Clear as FS 36118, right? >> > >> > Tom Solinski >> > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 05:26:50 -0500 From: Matthew E Bittner To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Air brush question Message-ID: <19990723.053944.-108963.2.mbittner@juno.com> On Thu, 22 Jul 1999 22:18:33 -0400 (EDT) bucky@ptdprolog.net writes: > OK, here's the problem. I'm getting to feel comfortable with the > airbrush, but am having trouble controlling the small pieces blowing > around when I'm trying to p[aint them. How do you guys keep these > little > suckers still while you are painting them? My primary solution is very cheap, and works great. I use "popsicle sticks", which can be found in arts stores. Something like a whole bunch of sticks, for hardly anything. If you have kids, they can use the ones you don't for houses, or some such. :-) I use rolled over masking tape, stick this to the stick, and stick the part to that. My other method, for struts and stuff, involve painting my tweezers. :-) I have "stay closed" tweezers - about three of them - I use to hold the really small parts. HTH Matt Bittner http://www.geocities.com/~ipmsfortcrook http://www.discoveromaha.com/community/groups/plasticmodelers/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 05:37:28 -0500 From: Matthew E Bittner To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Judging Message-ID: <19990723.053944.-108963.3.mbittner@juno.com> On Fri, 23 Jul 1999 02:50:54 -0400 (EDT) "roguerpj" writes: > Having said that I wondered. Has anyone thought of doing just a WWI > only > event? Just to draw attention to this section of the hobby. May be > not even > judge the entrants. Combine it with some WWI history. That would be great. However, we're so few and far between, it would seem prudent. However - now I know where you're from - "our area" has a *lot* of WW1 modelers - on and off this list. Yourself, Brent, Ken, Lance, Paul, Glen and I from the list. Steve Hustad in your area, and ex- of the list. Greg Van Wyngarden on the history side, and Charles Sterns on the art side. There's also a fellow from KC that comes to our meetings - Tom Holtz whose secondary modeling passion is WW1, 1/72nd aircraft (his first is figures, if you must know). If you head a little farther east, then you have the St. Louis contingent - Charles Davenport, et. al. If you head a little farther west, then you have Steve Lawson from Colorado Springs (Denver?). So, the midwest seems to have plenty of WW1 interested people we might be able to get something together. Matt Bittner http://www.geocities.com/~ipmsfortcrook http://www.discoveromaha.com/community/groups/plasticmodelers/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 05:25:36 -0500 From: Matthew E Bittner To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Judging / was: further on the future of the hobby..... Message-ID: <19990723.053944.-108963.1.mbittner@juno.com> On Thu, 22 Jul 1999 23:02:08 -0400 (EDT) Tom Solinski writes: > As one other on the list said he doesn't compete because out of the > feeling that his work isn't up to snuff. I haven't attended a IPMS > meeting or contest in years. I was driven off by the attitude. I > guess > I ran in to the color cops, but the little exposure I had, and the > mail > I'm reading on this string still implies that you still judge on > "impression" of what a model is supposed to look like. I don't > recall a > requirement to provide documentation proving that your model even > closely resembles the item you are trying to duplicate. Am I right > in > this belief? It was this judging by opinion rather than comparison > to > facts that turned me off to the public aspects of this hobby. In > the > flying scale world you must present a volume with all of the > appropriate > three views and photographs demonstrating the object you were trying > to > replicate. I realize that this presents one more thing that has to > be > done to compete, but you had to gather that data to build the model > anyway. At least of a real airplane. This trend to "what if > modeling" > i.e. Luft '46 IMHO should appear in the SCI FI sections. Might be > a > cure to some of your laments. Well, yes and no to your question. If the subject is familiar enough, e.g. 10thingies, then you probably don't any sort of documentation. However, I just ran into where I do need documentation. One of my off topics - which can be seen on IM ;-) - sometimes had the canopy (the main sliding portion) removed for various reasons. Well, the machine I modeled did have the canopy removed and I took it to a contest. I was told I didn't "win" because I was missing the canopy. So I have copied the photo of the actual aircraft and carry it with me to contests now. Also, the documentation could help with the WW1's in that it would show that yes, there are supposed to be "gaps", e.g. the Fokker D.VII horizontail tail. So, it's a personal preference if you take documentation. 9 times out of 10 it won't be read, unless you're neck-to-neck with the model next to you, and the judges need something to break the tie. Matt Bittner http://www.geocities.com/~ipmsfortcrook http://www.discoveromaha.com/community/groups/plasticmodelers/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 07:43:35 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: Subject: RE: exactitude Message-ID: <007001bed42f$0d661d60$4640a8c0@prens-001.ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> -----Mensaje original----- De: Bill Shatzer >a photo trumpeted as (for instance) "the only photo showing >Voss's D-III with a central radiator" doesn't have quite the >same commercial appeal. I wish I could fake one of these. I know that some list members would pay me big money to do it. ;-) D. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 07:49:50 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: "WW1 modeling Mail List" Subject: windsock Message-ID: <007601bed42f$edaf6980$4640a8c0@prens-001.ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> I have the chance to get some back issues of Windsock magazine, from volume 13 to 15. All of them would be very expensive, so, could any subscriber tell me wich are the best in those volumes, mainly regarding to german aircraft? (OK, not only german aircraft) ;-) Thanks in advance D. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 06:48:39 -0400 From: "cameron rile" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Judging / was: further on the future of the hobby..... Message-ID: <199907230350025@cameron.prontomail.com> >After all, about the only game in the States any child is allowed >to play in without having to be a "star" at it over here is >soccer, the game that "doesn't matter" to most Americans Another lesser known sport is beginning to make inroads into the US psyche, the USAFL held their US Championships in Cincinatti last year. Boston came out on top, and NY fourth. Aussie Rules is currently being pitched to schools as an alternative sport. I must admit I was surprised that men over 25 ( or not in college or high school ) dont play social NFL or Ice Hockey. I am was disappointed that I couldnt play NFL or Ice Hockey for my local town. I naively assumed that every US town had 5 grades and a local Baseball, NFL and Ice Hockey team. In Australia men ( and women ) play sport till they get to the "Golden Oldies" grade and even then they play for a decade more. cam ______________________________________________________________ Get Your Free E-mail and Homepage at http://www.prontomail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 08:18:18 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: Subject: RE: Fokker "Squiggles" Message-ID: <010701bed433$e6e46160$4640a8c0@prens-001.ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> John I think that it was done with a machine similar to a "dremel" with a slightly abrasive implement attached to it. It broke the regular finish of the aluminium surface and disguised any flaw in the molding. The squiggles are drawn when the rotating device is left to wander over all the surface, exactly like when one wants to do a hole in a wall with a motor tool without punching a "pilot" hole before. Another similar kind of finish is the one found in the cowl of some Sopwith pups or the cowl of the Ryan "Spirit of St. Louis". Regarding to: "a highly pleasing >'whirled' effect to the metalwork........" its a matter of discussion.... :-) However, sometimes I think that the Fokker method of squiggling (does that word exists???) were done as a chemical treatment, like galvanised metal sheet. D. -----Mensaje original----- De: John C Glaser Para: Multiple recipients of list Fecha: Jueves, 22 de Julio de 1999 10:20 p.m. Asunto: Fokker "Squiggles" >While perusing Windsock 14/2, I was wondering what made the "squiggles" in >the cowl finish on the Fokker E.III. Datafile 15 states on page 27: "The >metal cowling and nose panels were 'engine turned' to give a highly pleasing >'whirled' effect to the metalwork........" What is "engine turned"? >Polishing? Grinding? I know how Eth did it on his E.III but how did the >San Diego museum replicate it on the reproduction there? > >Any thoughts / ideas? > >- JCG > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 21:47:45 +1000 From: Shane & Lorna Jenkins To: WW1 posts Subject: Re: Judging Message-ID: <37985661.160292CA@tac.com.au> Hi gang, Having read this thread with interest, I thought I'd chine in with my thoughts & how APMA works our competitions/assesements. First off, I can highly recommend peoples choice awards at the local level, if done in conjunction with the competition/assesement. Why? because sometimes the best model there, can't compare with what someone else has attempted eg: some WW2 model(be it plane, ship, whatever...) may be the best model on the day, but someone may have attempted say, a scratchbuilt 0/400 which didn't quite make the grade, but enough people like it, so they vote for it. People's choice is a choice made with BOTH mind & heart, & therefore they'll overlook perfection at times to vote for what they happen to like. It can be a great way of encouraging people to continue to experiment with different topics, skills etc. On the competition side, I have to fully agree with StE, on this & how the QMHE is run. But reading between the lines of all the posts, it seems that the UK/US comps don't require you to submit any references?? At APMA, you get points for supplying & compliance to said refs, regardless of how inaccurate they may be, the point is what you did to the model according to the reference. Now afterwards, someone can point out that the latest "you beaut" reference has superceded this one & then recommend that for future reference. This way, you don't penalise someone for not knowing any better. Off course, this may lead to an inaccurate model being placed higher than in OS comps, but in practise they usually fall down on the basics, so that cancels it out. We also give "bonus" points above & beyond the basics for trying something to correct the model, doing a vacform & scratchbuilding, to encourage modelling skills. We also have more assesments than actual competitions, which is more what the club wants. Although I prefer competing against models on the day rather than a standard, but that's just me ;-)). Competitions are usually thematics & are also held at the AGM. However, one thing that has really taken off is our display days, where members bring in kits & there is usually a talk on the subject eg: we had a talk on ships a couple of years ago & we had more models brought in for that talk, than we had for a while. At our last display day, we had more models than we had at any competition. The good thing about display days is that you can bring in your older models as well as the new ones & as one of our members said "it's just great to look over & see tables full of models". Regards, Shane - the Younger APMA VP http://www.tac.com.au/~sljenkins/apma.htm ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 07:51:02 -0400 From: Dennis Ugulano To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Re: Air brush question Message-ID: <199907230751_MC2-7E08-5EAF@compuserve.com> Mike, Head down to the electronics store and get some of the alligator clips. They come 4 to 8 in a package. There are several sizes and I have what appears to be small and medium ones. They are strong and sharp and will damage plastic so I ground off the teeth and filled the front of the clip with epoxy. (keep the clip open until the epoxy dries or you will be heading back to the store more more :-)) After the epoxy is dry, epoxy the clip to a piece of clothes hanger and stick that in a piece of wood with pre drilled holes. I have 12 clips in my piece of wood and can paint almost all parts on any plane with enough clips to spare. Another alternative to grinding off the teeth is to slip a piece of surgical tubing over the front of the clip. For a very small part, I put it on a piece of masking tape, attach the clip to the tape and spray. For something like a strut, I will spray one end, let it dry, flip it around and spray the other end. Dennis Ugulano email: Uggies@compuserve.com http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/uggies Page Revised 7/2/99 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 07:21:47 -0500 From: "Paul Schwartzkopf" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: further on the future of the hobby..... Message-ID: >>What bothered me was the way other members of the club went about the >>critiqueing a young (new) modeler. It is tough on a child at 9 years of age, >>they are proud of what they have accomplished and look for some kind of >>recognition not belittling. Very well said. I have judged many Junior categories, and believe it or not, they are absolutely the hardest to judge. You have to go back in time to remember yourself at that age, and what your skills were at that time. I never once have belittled our younger modelers for their efforts. I look at all models with the attitude that I can learn something positive (about modeling) from each one I judge. Years ago, when Hobby Town was smaller, somewhat decent, and not as money-hungry, our IPMS club judged their local contests. Each Junior entry received a ribbon--you should have seen the faces on some of those five year olds when they saw it. Paul A. Schwartzkopf ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 07:24:42 -0500 From: "Paul Schwartzkopf" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Judging Message-ID: >> So, the midwest seems to have plenty of WW1 interested people we might be >> able to get something together. >> Matt Bittner Sounds like a gauntlet has been laid down. What about it, guys? Maybe get together and discuss it at next years' regional? Paul A. Schwartzkopf ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 09:07:35 -0400 From: James Gibbons To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: Americal Listing Message-ID: <01BED4EA.CE558720.jgibbons@vppsa.com> I seem to recall that someone had a scanned or text version of Americals catalog they offered to send to folks. I'm hoping to get a copy as I would like to place an order with Mr. Merrill shortly. 56 Squadron and Lafayette Escadrille here I come... If you have this listing I would appreciate it if you could send a copy to my home address at zouave7@aol.com Thanks in advance! Sincerely, James L. Gibbons ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 08:08:46 -0700 From: "Bill Neill" To: Subject: Re: Americal Listing Message-ID: <008901bed51d$6823d820$4938c0d8@bill> Me too please!!! Thanks billneill@csi.com Bill Neill > If you have this listing I would appreciate it if you could send a copy to > my home address at zouave7@aol.com > > Thanks in advance! > > Sincerely, > > James L. Gibbons > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 12:55:20 -0500 From: Matthew E Bittner To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Judging Message-ID: <19990723.125608.-97931.1.mbittner@juno.com> On Fri, 23 Jul 1999 08:22:44 -0400 (EDT) "Paul Schwartzkopf" writes: > Sounds like a gauntlet has been laid down. > What about it, guys? Maybe get together and discuss it at next > years' regional? Sounds great! For those who don't know, next year's Regionals are being held, here, in Omaha. And I plan on sponsoring a Best WW1 Model award... Matt Bittner http://www.geocities.com/~ipmsfortcrook http://www.discoveromaha.com/community/groups/plasticmodelers/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 15:05:35 EDT From: BEN8800@aol.com To: Bobcuomoex@aol.com, kcb@rma.edu, dbl1908@erols.com, Subject: Search Engine Message-ID: <6e941485.24ca16ff@aol.com> I came across a very interesting search engine on the internet. It's Northern Light. http://www.northernlight.com/index.html I typed in my last name, Lankford, and got 19,000+ entries. Lots about the Lankford history. But when I typed in both names, Ben Lankford, I was amazed what I came up with. Only 3000 entries this time and it listed all my stuff from the Nautical Research Guild, the Seaways ship model list, and FAQ, and all the hobby shops that have my Model Shipways ship model designs listed. The one that really got me was a list of the Southern Conference Indoor Track Champions. I'm listed in there where I won the high jump while at VPI in 1953 and 54. Wow! This is a great search engine. Look up your name and see what gives. Ben Lankford Vienna, VA ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 15:51:33 EDT From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Search Engine Message-ID: <67bec60d.24ca21c5@aol.com> Northern Lights is commonly considered the best search engine around right now, with access to about 65% of the net. The big problem is the net is growing faster than the search engines, but NL does seem to keep up better. I've used it now for about 18 months and hardly ever use Yahoo or the others. Tom Cleaver ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 16:04:34 EDT From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Something to knock your socks off! Message-ID: <662f0b11.24ca24d2@aol.com> Go to this URL and take a look. A scratchbuilt Curtiss SOC-1 Seagull, at the IPMS-USA Nats. It's a biplane, so it is sort of OT, but jeez - what great work!! http://www.chromaconcepts.com/nats_update/aircraft_pics/soc_scratch.jpg FYI, Gary Zuercher is doing a website update on the Nats, at this URL: http://www.chromaconcepts.com/nats_update/ Tom Cleaver ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 1726 **********************