WWI Digest 1723 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: further on the future of the hobby..... by mkendix 2) RE: further on the future of the hobby..... by Shane Weier 3) Re: exactitude by bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) 4) RE: further on the future of the hobby..... by Shane Weier 5) Re: Off to the Nats. :) by bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) 6) Re: further on the future of the hobby..... by Brent & Tina Theobald 7) Dumb Quastion.... DH9 or R-5? by Brent & Tina Theobald 8) RE: further on the future of the hobby..... by Shane Weier 9) For Robert K. by "WALTER H. APPEL" 10) Re: FUNNY: You Have GOT To See This! by Zulis@aol.com 11) Re: San Diego Bound by REwing@aol.com 12) Re: Dumb Quastion.... DH9 or R-5? by "Bob Pearson" 13) Re: The Little boy who got old by KarrArt@aol.com 14) Re: For Robert K. by KarrArt@aol.com 15) Re: PC-12 - makes of aeroplanes and serial numbers/ was: The little boy who got old by "Bill Neill" 16) Re: San Diego Bound by "Bill Neill" 17) Re: further on the future of the hobby..... by "Bill Neill" 18) Re: PC-12 - makes of aeroplanes and serial numbers/ was: The by "Bob Pearson" 19) Re: For Robert K. by Albatrosdv@aol.com 20) Re: San Diego Bound by Albatrosdv@aol.com 21) Re: Dumb Quastion.... DH9 or R-5? by Suvoroff@aol.com 22) Re: James Gray's models by Suvoroff@aol.com 23) Re: further on the future of the hobby..... by Matthew E Bittner 24) Re: further on the future of the hobby..... by "Arron Monroe" 25) Re: Eduards Kit Sale- Rosemont by "Paul Schwartzkopf" 26) Re: Eduards Kit Sale- Rosemont by "Paul Schwartzkopf" 27) Judging / was: further on the future of the hobby..... by mkendix 28) Re: further on the future of the hobby..... by mkendix 29) RE: Paint storage by "Landon, James D" 30) Re: WWI Pubs by "Lance Krieg" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 22:41:52 -0400 (EDT) From: mkendix To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: further on the future of the hobby..... Message-ID: On Wed, 21 Jul 1999 Zulis@aol.com wrote: > Shane modestly mentioned, in passing: > > << So 3 years ago, when it was decided to abolish the 1/72 scale > sections at our major model show (by making 1/72 compete directly with > 1/48), I offered to sponsor the 1/72 sections out of my own pocket, and to > promote them at the nine clubs in our area. >> > Shane: I think this is an interesting thread; the notion of the 2 scales competing with each other. One part of me says that if a build is good, it doesn't matter what scale it's in. The other part of me says that larger scale kits simply offer more opportunity to put more into them for a given level of effort. For example, turnbuckles, bolts etc. are probably more difficult in smaller scales. Naturally, a larger scale kit would take more time on average, possibly twice as long. However, I cannot put two 1/72 kits in as a single entry to make up for that. At the "Model Classic" in Northern Virginia, there were one or two excellent 1/72nd scale kits e.g. Bob Wheeler's DFW "Mars" monoplane and a nice Roland C.II (?) done with a great paint job. What chance did they stand against a 1/28 Fokker D.VII with all the detail that you can put into that when all the biplanes were in a single category. Apparently, biplanes include Fokker D.VIII's because that's what won (it was 1/48th scale). A solution would be to combine 1/72nd scale biplanes with 1/72nd scale something else, and similarly for 1/48th scale. Michael mkendix@worthen.ihcrp.georgetown.edu ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 13:02:32 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: further on the future of the hobby..... Message-ID: <65C968E11318D311B0BD0060B06865CD04121D@mimhexch.mim.com.au> Dave, > This is just another example > of the sorts of things that some list members are doing to > promote the hobby. > A tip of the hat in the general direction of Brisbane, Australia. > Awwwr shucks. For my sins, I have been a committee member for our show for four years, this year as Chairman. I (and the other committee members) consider our number one priority to be promoting the hobby, both within the committed hobbyist community, and outside it. Indeed, that's why the nine clubs involved in staging it got together in the first place. Incidentally, the Queensland Model Hobby Expo is probably analogous to a USA IPMS Regional except that it is an "Open" event. Of the 9 organising clubs and half dozen others which take part, only ONE is actually IPMS. Anyone who wants to, can come,and entry prices are kept ludicrously low so that finances won't deter anyone bringing their family. Current promotional idea - We already get plenty of visitors (and contes entries) from New Zealand, and we're hoping to make the QMHE'2000 show the biggest yet because it will run within 2 weeks of the Sydney Olympics. Queensland being THE tourist state of Australia, we hope to see modellers fly into Brisbane, attend our show, do the tourist business along the Great Barrier Reef etc., then fly to Sydney for the Games. NOT, that we expect more than a few people, but we love to spread the word, even to a few foreigners ;-) Shane ************************************************************** The information contained in this E-Mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this E-Mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this E_Mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted E-Mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Help Desk. E-Mail: helpdesk@mim.com.au or phone: Australia 07 3833 8042. ************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 20:12:17 -0700 (PDT) From: bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: exactitude Message-ID: <199907220312.UAA27480@compass.OregonVOS.net> Sandy Adam writes: >Bill says- >>Absolute certitude is, however, seldom in order. >Which is exactly why his previous pronouncement- >"The central radiator is correct however."... >drew my response. Some of us disagree. Are you claiming that the central radiator is -incorrect-? >Let's have no more edicts from on high unless we have some accepted >incontrovertible proof. Would the two photographs I have in my possession clearly showing a central radiator on this aircraft qualify as incontrovertible proof? There might be a possibility that the off-set radiator may -also- be correct but there is, I think, little question that the central radiator is, in fact, -correct-. Exactly as I stated. If that be an "edict from on high", so be it. But I find that remark inappropriate and just a bit offensive. Are you just just making a special effort to be disagreeable? Cheers and all, -- Bill Shatzer - bshatzer@orednet.org "You don't need a weather man to know which way the wind blows." -Bob Dylan- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 13:15:52 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: further on the future of the hobby..... Message-ID: <65C968E11318D311B0BD0060B06865CD04121E@mimhexch.mim.com.au> Michael, > > I think this is an interesting thread; the notion of the 2 scales > competing with each other. One part of me says that if a > build is good, it doesn't matter what scale it's in. > The other part of me says that > larger scale kits simply offer more opportunity to put more > into them for a given level of effort. This is exactly the dichotomy that fueled our debate. Theoretically (and in fact, actually) when we've had shows where "size doesn't matter", a good little'un should beat a not so good big'un. However, the problem isn't so much to get good judges to look beyond size, as to convince modellers building in the smaller scales that the DO have a chance and should enter. Unfortunately, many of them *don't* enter if they have to compete versus biggies, and this fuels the argument which says "there are few 1/72 entries, why have a separate section at all". By ensuring that there *was* a separate space for 1/72 aircraft, we gave the 1/72 modellers hope, AND proved that there were still plenty of 1/72 models being built. > A solution would be to combine 1/72nd scale biplanes with > 1/72nd scale > something else, and similarly for 1/48th scale. This is how we work. No special biplane sections, the WW1 stuff takes its chances against the legion of 10thingies and Mustangs of the same *scale* - unless there are so many we have a split of course. Shane (positively embarrassed to be caught out supporting 1/72 - oh the shame ;-) ************************************************************** The information contained in this E-Mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this E-Mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this E_Mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted E-Mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Help Desk. E-Mail: helpdesk@mim.com.au or phone: Australia 07 3833 8042. ************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 20:26:10 -0700 (PDT) From: bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Off to the Nats. :) Message-ID: <199907220326.UAA29797@compass.OregonVOS.net> Ernest Thomas writes: >Hi all, > >I'm un-subscribing until monday to go to Orlando. Hope to see some of >you there. Wish me luck. Luck! :-) Cheers and all, -- Bill Shatzer - bshatzer@orednet.org "You don't need a weather man to know which way the wind blows." -Bob Dylan- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 23:00:20 -0700 From: Brent & Tina Theobald To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: further on the future of the hobby..... Message-ID: <3796B36C.7D70A11F@airmail.net> Howdy, howdy, howdy... > By ensuring that there *was* a separate space for 1/72 aircraft, we gave the > 1/72 modellers hope, AND proved that there were still plenty of 1/72 models > being built. I don't know if this is proven. I brought two obscure ot Russian aircraft to the show in Oklahoma City earlier this year. I was the only person to enter any 1/72 WWII aircraft. (I came in first and second BTW). If memory serves there was only one OT aircraft on display. I don't remember the scale. Anyhow, I bet there were 50 1/48 WWII single engined aircraft. (My tropical 091-WF came in third). Granted there was a truly devestating tornado only the week before and then Clinton was coming to town, but I would guess the show still had 150 models. Obviously the show was under attended, but you would have thought more elves would have shown up. The Des Moines, Iowa show I attended had a better ratio. Probably 2 1/48 kits for 1 1/72 kit. Whatever... I am rambling at this point. Build what makes you happy! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 23:09:42 -0700 From: Brent & Tina Theobald To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Dumb Quastion.... DH9 or R-5? Message-ID: <3796B5A6.FB03BC8@airmail.net> Are the Polikarpov built DH9's referred to as R-5's sometimes? I have been looking at pictures and the R-5 looks suspiciously like a re-engined DH9. I do know that Polikarpov did build some DH9's. Are they considered DH9's? Thanks! Brent ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 14:14:26 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: further on the future of the hobby..... Message-ID: <65C968E11318D311B0BD0060B06865CD041220@mimhexch.mim.com.au> Brent, > > By ensuring that there *was* a separate space for 1/72 > > aircraft, we gave the > > 1/72 modellers hope, AND proved that there were still > > plenty of 1/72 models > > being built. > > I don't know if this is proven. O don't know about OK City, but in Brisbane Australia, the year we didn't separate 1/72 from 1/48 we had THREE 1/72 entries, the first year we spilt there were 30 > If memory serves there was only one OT aircraft on display. I > don't remember the scale. Last year we had nine OT aircraft in 1/72. Up from none the year prio to the split, and two (which came 1st and 2nd) in the first year of the split. Given the number of new Tokos getting around, and my ceaseless badgeing of people to build and enter them I *bet* there are more than 12 OT 1/72 at this years show. > The Des Moines, Iowa show I attended had a better ratio. > Probably 2 1/48 kits for 1 1/72 kit. This was about what I expected when we made the split. In fact, we have discovered more 1/72 modellers in our area than anyone expected, though I don't suggest that's universal. > > Whatever... I am rambling at this point. Build what makes you happy! Exactly. My great fear was that *kids* here still seem to build mostly 1/72, and whilst we have age based sections for them, I wanted them to see what *could* be done with the same material they used. Have to keep them happy, or who the hell will support me in my dotage. Shane > ************************************************************** The information contained in this E-Mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this E-Mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this E_Mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted E-Mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Help Desk. E-Mail: helpdesk@mim.com.au or phone: Australia 07 3833 8042. ************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 00:10:30 -0500 From: "WALTER H. APPEL" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: For Robert K. Message-ID: <3796A7C6.4E62@erols.com> Guillows was strange for a rubber band modeler. Later I realized that you had to really trim them out in order to make them light enough. I think that rubber was an afterthought since they were really made for a gas powered situation (IMHO). Remember how they always had control line written into the plans? But I am getting away from the group and, besides, I have a white elephant to wax in my garage. I do believe that I have been insulted. Walt ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 00:18:26 EDT From: Zulis@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: FUNNY: You Have GOT To See This! Message-ID: <341ddc23.24c7f592@aol.com> For anyone who is interested.... I exchanged a couple of emails with the guy who posted that story about the mission to obtain Hitler's leftie. He sells WWII memorabilia, and says that he is really tired of all the weird nazi-item dealers (oh no - not ANOTHER Eva Braun's hairbrush!) "wherein everything EXCEPT AH's Left Nut is offered for sale" and he felt he wanted to take his own shot at the madness of it all. As for the items themselves, he says if he gets one bid - he breaks even, and it was worth the listing fee for the fun of it all even if nobody bids. A nice guy who seems to have a good handle on what I feel collecting should be all about. Anyway.... just thought I would close this chapter for anyone who is interested... Dave Z ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 01:00:18 EDT From: REwing@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: San Diego Bound Message-ID: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ - GET THEE TO THE AIR MUSEUM IN BALBOA PARK!!!!!!!!!!! Thanks Robert, Tom, and Aidrian. Your suggestion allowed me to stake a claim for a "ME" day. Really looking forward to this trip a lot now!!! <> We're staying nearby, because my wife was aware it. Next to airplanes, eating is a favorite pastime of mine!!! Thanks again, guys. -Rick- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 22:07:53 -0700 From: "Bob Pearson" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Dumb Quastion.... DH9 or R-5? Message-ID: <199907220529.WAA30414@mail.rapidnet.net> > Are the Polikarpov built DH9's referred to as R-5's sometimes? I have > been looking at pictures and the R-5 looks suspiciously like a > re-engined DH9. I do know that Polikarpov did build some DH9's. Are they > considered DH9's? > IIRC they are actually Russian copies of the DH9A Bob ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 01:29:42 EDT From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: The Little boy who got old Message-ID: In a message dated 7/21/99 4:22:37 PM Pacific Daylight Time, james.d.landon@lmco.com writes: << <> Well, for crying out loud! Don't just fantasize about it, DO IT!!! Jim >> One of these days...one of these days........ I still have the plans from the first go-'round. Robert K. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 01:29:42 EDT From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: For Robert K. Message-ID: <607d020a.24c80646@aol.com> In a message dated 7/21/99 9:17:40 PM Pacific Daylight Time, Waltman@erols.com writes: << Guillows was strange for a rubber band modeler. >> I built most of 'em as display, and few for "flight". For some reason, the Nieuport 28 and D.VIII were easy to lighten without weakening- just getting as much wieght as possible out of the tail area made them happy!I should also add that I didn't use the small props that came with them- I used the bigger ones from the larger deluxe Guillow kits. Robert K. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 23:03:36 -0700 From: "Bill Neill" To: Subject: Re: PC-12 - makes of aeroplanes and serial numbers/ was: The little boy who got old Message-ID: <00c501bed40b$49013fe0$ac1dc0d8@bill> During the move clear out I found a profile of a red SE5 with 'Schweinhund' on the cowling. In an Osprey/Airwar, which has now gone into box land. Anyone know what the full scheme was? Only the port front fuselage was imaged. Bill Neill > Well, OK but this time I think it would be nice to have a organized list > of aeroplanes with make/type and serial numbers, that were thought to be > coloured PC-12. If anyone wants to mail me a list of these, I could > compile something. I think that I recall Sopwith Triplanes and S.E5a's > were sometimes painted PC-12 but my memory fails me for other types. > Once I have compiled this "list" perhaps we could put it on the web page, > with Allan's permission of course. > > Michael > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 23:09:19 -0700 From: "Bill Neill" To: Subject: Re: San Diego Bound Message-ID: <00c601bed40b$4b32c5e0$ac1dc0d8@bill> I've seen the museum a lot from above, its on final approach to the airport, but never yet had the time to get inside. Bill Neill > San Diego Aerospace Museum is in Balboa Park. Among their OT displays is an > Albatros D.V > > Tom Cleaver > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 23:27:28 -0700 From: "Bill Neill" To: Subject: Re: further on the future of the hobby..... Message-ID: <00c801bed40b$4dc90120$ac1dc0d8@bill> I found the modelling/aviation scene in NZ very interesting during my stay there. Some great stuff at Wigram RNZAF base, and the Auckland transport museum. Some good off beat stuff from local cottage industry. I got a Colditz gilder from there, notable for being the only Allied aircraft built in Germany during WW2 (whoops sorry wrong WW :-)) Bill Neill - We already get plenty of visitors (and contes > entries) from New Zealand, > Shane > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 23:34:05 -0700 From: "Bob Pearson" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: PC-12 - makes of aeroplanes and serial numbers/ was: The Message-ID: <199907220646.XAA32541@mail.rapidnet.net> > During the move clear out I found a profile of a red SE5 with 'Schweinhund' > on the cowling. In an Osprey/Airwar, which has now gone into box land. > Anyone know what the full scheme was? Only the port front fuselage was > imaged. Duncan Grinnell-Milne should be familiar to the list as author of "WInd in the WIres" about his time with (IIRC) 16 Sqn on BE2s in which he was shot down and captured. Later he escaped and went on to fly SE5s with 56 Sqn were he ended the war as its OC. Schweinhund was his aircraft at 56 and was painted red in the immediate postwar period. Bob ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 02:43:42 EDT From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: For Robert K. Message-ID: In a message dated 99-07-22 00:17:40 EDT, you write: << But I am getting away from the group and, besides, I have a white elephant to wax in my garage. I do believe that I have been insulted. Walt >> My white elephant is a car that I used to be able to afford and now cannot sell, but it still is expensive to maintain. That business about waxing poetic was supposed to be a joke, and I am sorry if that didn't come across. Tom Cleaver ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 02:56:08 EDT From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: San Diego Bound Message-ID: <3bce23b.24c81a88@aol.com> In a message dated 99-07-22 01:59:05 EDT, you write: << Thanks Robert, Tom, and Aidrian. Your suggestion allowed me to stake a claim for a "ME" day. Really looking forward to this trip a lot now!!! >> And if, for some reason, they would not be interested in this superb museum, they can go to the zoo and the natural history musuem, and the art musuem, etc., etc., all within a 10-minute walk of the aerospace musuem, so you can all hook up at various times if necessary. Tom C ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 03:47:34 EDT From: Suvoroff@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Dumb Quastion.... DH9 or R-5? Message-ID: "Are the Polikarpov built DH9's referred to as R-5's sometimes?" Close, but not quite; the DH-9A is a Polikarpov R-1. The R-5 is a much later design, used in great numbers in the Spanish Civil War, and is much more attractive to boot. Yours, James D. Gray ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 03:51:05 EDT From: Suvoroff@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: James Gray's models Message-ID: <9c0bea8a.24c82769@aol.com> Quoth one James D. to the other; "James, how do you get such detail and realism in microscopic scales? " By the substitution of persistance for any real skill. Yours, James D. Gray ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 04:52:31 -0500 From: Matthew E Bittner To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: further on the future of the hobby..... Message-ID: <19990722.050417.-100493.1.mbittner@juno.com> On Wed, 21 Jul 1999 23:16:56 -0400 (EDT) Shane Weier writes: > However, the problem isn't so much to get good judges to look beyond > size, > as to convince modellers building in the smaller scales that the DO > have a > chance and should enter. Unfortunately, many of them *don't* enter > if they > have to compete versus biggies, and this fuels the argument which > says > "there are few 1/72 entries, why have a separate section at all". The key there is good judges. > By ensuring that there *was* a separate space for 1/72 aircraft, we > gave the > 1/72 modellers hope, AND proved that there were still plenty of 1/72 > models > being built. Of course there are! Even though we are definitely out numbered by 1/48th, the people I know that build 1/72nd are adamant about it, and refuse to go to that Balloon Scale. > This is how we work. No special biplane sections, the WW1 stuff > takes its > chances against the legion of 10thingies and Mustangs of the same > *scale* - > unless there are so many we have a split of course. This is not good. In all my contests I have entered, that have not followed IPMS judging rules, these 10thingies and such *always* beat WW1 entries. Period. There was a Regional a few years ago here that went to their own "style" of judging, and even Hustad's WW1's were beat out by mediocre at best 10thingies and the like. Plus, when dealing with "popular vote" type contests, big always wins, again, regardless of craftmanship (Ken, remember that orange Stuka? :-) > (positively embarrassed to be caught out supporting 1/72 - oh the > shame ;-) Bwahahahaha...but you should not be embarrased. Especially since this hobby was "brought up" on 1/72nd. Matt Bittner http://www.geocities.com/~ipmsfortcrook http://www.discoveromaha.com/community/groups/plasticmodelers/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 06:59:00 -0400 From: "Arron Monroe" To: Subject: Re: further on the future of the hobby..... Message-ID: <001c01bed431$35135ce0$d5a15f18@arron.twcny.rr.com> Imho, while the meets are very important in getting the creative juices flowing and displaying what can be done to in the hobby to the general public, the clubs themselves are important to keeping the future alive. I have seen one IPMS club do a show and tell during one of their meetings and completely tear apart a 9 year old members work. The look on that boys face was of pure discouragment to the point of almost being in tears. I and some others tried desperatly to stop what was happening but the damage was done. While I attended a few more meetings, not renewing my membership, that young boy never came back. Before having a child of my own I used to set up a table at a local shop and scrape plastic answering questions and helping to choose kits. The club wouldn't do this. I sincerely hope that the local club is not the normal example because actions such as this will shoot the hobby in the foot. I haven't joined any other clubs as there are none close by enough to warrant the drive. I must admit that this List is very important in promoteing the hobby and I think doing a bang up job! I have not been on this list long but from what I have seen everyone is willing to help each other and find new ways to help the hobby in general. I find that very refreshing. just my 2 cents AM -----Original Message----- From: Shane Weier To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Wednesday, July 21, 1999 11:05 PM Subject: RE: further on the future of the hobby..... >Dave, > >> This is just another example >> of the sorts of things that some list members are doing to >> promote the hobby. >> A tip of the hat in the general direction of Brisbane, Australia. >> > >Awwwr shucks. > >For my sins, I have been a committee member for our show for four years, >this year as Chairman. I (and the other committee members) consider our >number one priority to be promoting the hobby, both within the committed >hobbyist community, and outside it. Indeed, that's why the nine clubs >involved in staging it got together in the first place. > >Incidentally, the Queensland Model Hobby Expo is probably analogous to a USA >IPMS Regional except that it is an "Open" event. Of the 9 organising clubs >and half dozen others which take part, only ONE is actually IPMS. Anyone who >wants to, can come,and entry prices are kept ludicrously low so that >finances won't deter anyone bringing their family. > >Current promotional idea - We already get plenty of visitors (and contes >entries) from New Zealand, and we're hoping to make the QMHE'2000 show the >biggest yet because it will run within 2 weeks of the Sydney Olympics. >Queensland being THE tourist state of Australia, we hope to see modellers >fly into Brisbane, attend our show, do the tourist business along the Great >Barrier Reef etc., then fly to Sydney for the Games. > >NOT, that we expect more than a few people, but we love to spread the word, >even to a few foreigners ;-) > >Shane >************************************************************** >The information contained in this E-Mail is confidential >and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). >If you receive this E-Mail in error, any use, distribution >or copying of this E_Mail is not permitted. You are >requested to forward unwanted E-Mail and address any problems >to the MIM Holdings Limited Help Desk. >E-Mail: helpdesk@mim.com.au or phone: Australia 07 3833 8042. >************************************************************** > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 07:25:24 -0500 From: "Paul Schwartzkopf" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Eduards Kit Sale- Rosemont Message-ID: Hi again, Barry, I am interested in the Eduard #8033 Nieuport 17 Lafayette on your sales list. Can you order me one kit? Also, is it possible to have you set back one of the Flashback #8922 Berg D.I's for me to send when the Nieuport comes in? Thanks. (I should have waited a few more days on my order--when it rains, it pours, right?) Paul A. Schwartzkopf ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 08:05:22 -0500 From: "Paul Schwartzkopf" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Eduards Kit Sale- Rosemont Message-ID: Sorry list--replied to the wrong message! I'll say three "Hail Richtofen"s to repent. Paul A. Schwartzkopf ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 09:11:07 -0400 (EDT) From: mkendix To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Judging / was: further on the future of the hobby..... Message-ID: On Thu, 22 Jul 1999, Matthew E Bittner wrote: > On Wed, 21 Jul 1999 23:16:56 -0400 (EDT) Shane Weier > writes: > > This is how we work. No special biplane sections, the WW1 stuff > > takes its > > chances against the legion of 10thingies and Mustangs of the same > > *scale* - > > unless there are so many we have a split of course. > > This is not good. In all my contests I have entered, that have not > followed IPMS judging rules, these 10thingies and such *always* beat WW1 > entries. Period. There was a Regional a few years ago here that went to > their own "style" of judging, and even Hustad's WW1's were beat out by > mediocre at best 10thingies and the like. > > Plus, when dealing with "popular vote" type contests, big always wins, > again, regardless of craftmanship (Ken, remember that orange Stuka? :-) Matt: I think there's something to be said for a mixture of judging methods, by that I mean that some awards could be made by a panel of judges and some by popular vote. At my IPMS chapter meetings, the monthly competitions are run this way. The categories e.g. 1/48th aeroplanes, 1/72nd aeroplanes, ships etc. are voted on by the people present. Then other categories e.g. Best model of the Month, Best OOB, Best Technique (e.g. cockpit interior) etc. are judged by the chapter competion organizers/judges. I think this occurs to some degree at Regionals etc where some prizes are awarded on the basis of popularity i.e. voting. Perhaps voting is not the best way to arrive at the most informed opinion since I, with my 12 months of experience, am allowed the same weight as my friend, with 20 years of experience - but it is democratic. Michael mkendix@worthen.ihcrp.georgetown.edu ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 09:20:44 -0400 (EDT) From: mkendix To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: further on the future of the hobby..... Message-ID: On Thu, 22 Jul 1999, Arron Monroe wrote: > Imho, while the meets are very important in getting the creative juices > flowing and displaying what can be done to in the hobby to the general > public, the clubs themselves are important to keeping the future alive. I > have seen one IPMS club do a show and tell during one of their meetings and > completely tear apart a 9 year old members work. The look on that boys face > was of pure discouragment to the point of almost being in tears. Arron: Most unfortunate. As a newcomer to my club, and as someone who has not developed the high level of expertise shown by many of our members, it seemed to me that great care was taken to make me feel welcome. Disparaging or critical remarks are really not tolerated at our place; this was one of the first things explained to me when I joined, and I've never heard anyone say anything bad about a model that someone else has brought. Of course, the minute I saw the high level of modeling by some of my fellow members, and put my model next to theirs, I realized I had a long way to go, so the "criticism" is implicit. But if you're discouraged by someone being a lot better than you, there's not a lot anyone can do for you. Michael mkendix@worthen.ihcrp.georgetown.edu ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 08:58:49 -0600 From: "Landon, James D" To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Paint storage Message-ID: <98B98E951BA0D1119A590000F8045A47030A3057@emss02m05.ems.lmco.com> <<...This way I look straight at the labels...>> I wondered when somebody was going to say that. That's how I have mine. When a wonderful label is provided on the front, why is everybody trying to find the best way to label the top? Jim, just now reading what came in overnight, pardon the intrusion > ---------- > From: Tom Solinski > Reply To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu > Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 1999 2:01 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: Paint storage > > Bill and team(?) Oh, TEAMS (you know us and them) > > I made a spray booth out of a free standing wardrobe (I can't spell > armoire) I used 1-1/2 'L" angle aluminum extrusion for shelving. It's > just wide enough for a testors type paint bottle and relatively > inexpensive. This way I look straight at the labels, and of course the > shelves are arranged in FS 595 numerical order, Unless they are > arranged by ot nationality. > Clear as FS 36118, right? > > Tom Solinski > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 10:13:49 -0500 From: "Lance Krieg" To: Subject: Re: WWI Pubs Message-ID: >>> "Arron Monroe" 07/21 8:57 PM >>> >From what I have heard I would be interested in the Windsocks, how much is a subscription to Windsock and who would I contact? I'm not sure of the price (they aren't cheap, tho) but all of the Albatros Publications can be obtained from Wiseowl in Torrance, CA. E-mail is: wiseowl@sprintmail.com ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 1723 **********************