WWI Digest 1722 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) New Tokos on the Plans by kevinkim@interlog.com (Kevin & Kimberley) 2) Re: The Little boy who got old by KarrArt@aol.com 3) Re: San Diego Bound by KarrArt@aol.com 4) Re: San Diego Bound by Albatrosdv@aol.com 5) Re: Ebay. What's everyone laughing at? by KarrArt@aol.com 6) Re: Black CA by "Paul Schwartzkopf" 7) Re: The little boy who got old by KarrArt@aol.com 8) Re: Festival of Flight by KarrArt@aol.com 9) Re: PC-12 - makes of aeroplanes and serial numbers/ was: The little by Albatrosdv@aol.com 10) Re: Black CA by "Lee J Mensinger" 11) Re: Paint storage by Tom Solinski 12) Re: Black CA by Tom Solinski 13) Re: San Diego Bound by "Aidrian Bridgeman-Sutton" 14) Re: PC-12 - makes of aeroplanes and serial numbers/ was: The little boy who got old by "cameron rile" 15) Edaurds/Amc 1/48 Aviatik Berg D-1 by BStett3770@aol.com 16) Re: PC-12 - makes of aeroplanes and serial numbers/ was: The little boy who got old by mkendix 17) RE: The little boy who got old by Shane Weier 18) RE: see ya soon by Shane Weier 19) Re: The little boy who got old by Matthew E Bittner 20) RE: The little boy who got old by Shane Weier 21) RE: The Little boy who got old by "Landon, James D" 22) Eduards Kit Sale- Rosemont by BStett3770@aol.com 23) Re: Changing wings - was: Voss Albatross by "The Shannons" 24) Re: What is a Match Model? by BStett3770@aol.com 25) Re: Changing wings - was: Voss Albatross by "Bob Pearson" 26) Off to the Nats. :) by Ernest Thomas 27) Off Topic Request ( Was: Off to the Nats. :) by "K. Hagerup" 28) Austro-Hungarian Lozenge by "K. Hagerup" 29) Re: Black CA by "The Shannons" 30) Re: WWI Pubs by "Arron Monroe" 31) Re: further on the future of the hobby..... by Zulis@aol.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 13:09:16 -0500 From: kevinkim@interlog.com (Kevin & Kimberley) To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: New Tokos on the Plans Message-ID: Hello list, Well, as everyone now knows, the Aviatic D.I, HB D.I and Nie.16 are out. I've laid the A/H planes on the Datafile and FMP plans, and as usual, Toko is "close." If the GAs are to be trusted, the HB wings are a little narrow in chord, and the Aviatic is a fraction short in the fuselage. But big deal, the kits are really nice. Toko once again has done an ambitious job on the decals, but the Aviatic lozenge colours unfortunately suck. I'll use the Toko decals as a pattern to cut out Americal hex lozenge. The HB comes with quite nice wood decal (if you're into that sort of thing), but the upper wing "squiggle" decal is terrible. The mechanical quality of the decal print jobs are, as usual, excellent. As reported on the list yesterday, the Nieuport comes with skis, a new MG and a headrest. Very nice. Yes, fabric texture is still evident on the flying surfaces. When will Toko stop this?! All in all, for the price, these kits continue to be unbeatable. Kevin Barrett. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 13:09:43 EDT From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: The Little boy who got old Message-ID: <78301b8c.24c758d7@aol.com> In a message dated 7/20/99 8:20:48 PM Pacific Daylight Time, Waltman@erols.com writes: << As for myself, I also built the Guillows Thomas Morse many years ago. I remember being so excited about building and flying it. I studied the plans, put it together covered it, doped it, took it to the local school yard, wound the rubber band with an egg-beater, was all set. I released it and watched it turn itself into toothpicks about a foot and a half away from me, just like the Nieuport 28 did, just like the Rumpler did. I should have built the Flying Aces Moth. >> I built almost all the Guillows and the only ones I had successful flights with were the Nieuport 28 and Fokker D.VIII. But, boy oh boy, couls they ever be turned into great static models(or at least I thought so then). Even today, I fantasize about taking the big Nieuport 11 (1"= 1') and doing it up as a pure display model. Robert K. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 13:09:42 EDT From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: San Diego Bound Message-ID: <442a640c.24c758d6@aol.com> In a message dated 7/21/99 12:17:18 AM Pacific Daylight Time, REwing@aol.com writes: << Hello All, I'm going to San Diego next week for some family R&R. I seem to remember that there is a Fokker E.III in that neck-of- the-woods. Can anyone anyone clue me in, please? Also, is there any other place(s) that I should make a point to get to for some great aeroplane experience? I'll have to divy up my time with LegoLand, Zoo, and Wild Animal Park. So please priortize the list (hoping there is a list!!). TIA, -Rick- >> GET THEE TO THE AIR MUSEUM IN BALBOA PARK!!!!!!!!!!! Besides the new and terrific E.III, there's a genuine Spad 7 restored with the help of Alan Toelle, plus a large collection of engines, artifacts, 1/1 replicas, models. Show your kids a spinning rotary- they've got one in a glass case and you push a button and it starts revolving (and off topic- it's the only place I know that has a Catalina on a stick- out in the central round courtyard.) If y'all have time, and the exhibit is still running, check out the Flying Tiger room- I've got a few bits and pieces in there- and not all FT. Balboa park is a central museum center- there's also a natural history museum plus all kinds of stuff I haven't investigated. Robert K. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 13:06:02 EDT From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: San Diego Bound Message-ID: <40704ebe.24c757fa@aol.com> In a message dated 99-07-21 03:17:18 EDT, you write: << I'm going to San Diego next week for some family R&R. I seem to remember that there is a Fokker E.III in that neck-of- the-woods. Can anyone anyone clue me in, please? Also, is there any other place(s) that I should make a point to get to for some great aeroplane experience? I'll have to divy up my time with LegoLand, Zoo, and Wild Animal Park. So please priortize the list (hoping there is a list!!). >> San Diego Aerospace Museum is in Balboa Park. Among their OT displays is an Albatros D.V Tom Cleaver ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 13:09:44 EDT From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Ebay. What's everyone laughing at? Message-ID: <2f2730b.24c758d8@aol.com> In a message dated 7/20/99 7:58:41 PM Pacific Daylight Time, sdw@qld.mim.com.au writes: << Haha. In my figure modelling days I made a few vignettes along this line - not lumberjacks in tutus, just imaginary silly situations. Not well though, I don't have Robert Karrs talent for figures. >> Grrrrr.... I just a have a large spares box.......("Hey Igor...hand me that torso") Robert K. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 12:21:58 -0500 From: "Paul Schwartzkopf" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Black CA Message-ID: Just in case there are one or two of you who don't know, CA adhesive was originally developed for a method of sealing skin without sutures after surgery. Paul A. Schwartzkopf >> I remember when CA first came out - much talk of banning it because of the possibility of glueing your fingers together. Mark << ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 13:24:50 EDT From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: The little boy who got old Message-ID: <41ff28f.24c75c62@aol.com> In a message dated 7/20/99 1:11:38 PM Pacific Daylight Time, lance.krieg@AMERUS.COM writes: << I believe you are correct, as was Dave Burke before, in asserting that perfect fidelity to historical accuracy and precise detail is unattainable, and the current thread on the Albatros wing colors illustrates your point beautifully. Nevertheless, I get a charge out of TRYING to get as much detail and scale fidelity as I can....but would never criticize others who have chosen a more relaxed approach. >> Re"Dicta Ira"....the Mysterious and Benevolent Ira revealed his true wisdom by not defining "fun". Fun for me is stimulating the onset of insanity with detail. I try to make a model as if sometime in the future, an archaeologist will find it, and enough information can be derived so a full size repro could be reasonably constructed for a museum in the far future. It's frustrating when some ancient mode of transportation is known only from a few wall paintings and a crude, broken toy or temple object. Robert K. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 13:24:51 EDT From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Festival of Flight Message-ID: <6220f30f.24c75c63@aol.com> In a message dated 7/20/99 2:16:54 AM Pacific Daylight Time, cbbs@almac.co.uk writes: << Blenheim (yes = Robert!) >> just seeing the word gives me the shakes........ Robert K. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 13:48:05 EDT From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: PC-12 - makes of aeroplanes and serial numbers/ was: The little Message-ID: <87a47e9e.24c761d5@aol.com> In a message dated 99-07-21 13:28:42 EDT, you write: <> This sounds like a good idea to me. Tom C ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 13:25:01 -0500 From: "Lee J Mensinger" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu, "Lee Mensinger" Subject: Re: Black CA Message-ID: <3796107D.CEC393AC@wireweb.net> I am not sure that CA was originally invented for sutures. I have doubts and memories. I do believe that came much later, since the CA type product was first used, I believe, in 1955-56 for the purpose of sticking rearview mirrors onto the windshields of Thunderbirds. I was told the price to Ford Motors was about $20,000 per pound of CA. ( I had friends who worked in the factory.) It wasn't long afterwards they found out it would also glue skin and after that they tried it for closing wounds. Can't prove a word of this but it is a fact that mirrors were glued to glass way before it was used in hospitals. Hospitals got involved ungluing fingers first, and. in one case the back of a hand was glued to an eyelid. Then Doctors got a clue.. Black CA would have been easier to see. Lee Paul Schwartzkopf wrote: > Just in case there are one or two of you who don't know, CA adhesive was originally developed for a method of sealing skin without sutures after surgery. > > Paul A. Schwartzkopf > > >> I remember when CA first came out - much talk of banning it > because of the possibility of glueing your fingers together. > Mark << ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 14:59:20 -0500 From: Tom Solinski To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Paint storage Message-ID: <37962698.7B54360F@ionet.net> Bill and team(?) Oh, TEAMS (you know us and them) I made a spray booth out of a free standing wardrobe (I can't spell armoire) I used 1-1/2 'L" angle aluminum extrusion for shelving. It's just wide enough for a testors type paint bottle and relatively inexpensive. This way I look straight at the labels, and of course the shelves are arranged in FS 595 numerical order, Unless they are arranged by ot nationality. Clear as FS 36118, right? Tom Solinski ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 15:12:46 -0500 From: Tom Solinski To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Black CA Message-ID: <379629BE.B2E1CD29@ionet.net> Paul Schwartzkopf wrote: > Just in case there are one or two of you who don't know, CA adhesive was originally developed for a method of sealing skin without sutures after surgery. Gee Paul my "fact" :-) on the issue is that CA was developed for the aerospace industry to keep strain gauges bonded to metal surfaces without significantly affecting the amount of strain being measured. It is really good at bonding fingers to $125.00 strain gauge assemblies. Ruining both. TeeHee Tom S ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 19:27:53 +0100 From: "Aidrian Bridgeman-Sutton" To: Subject: Re: San Diego Bound Message-ID: <000201bed3b7$d36155c0$2c85fad4@pc0973> > >GET THEE TO THE AIR MUSEUM IN BALBOA PARK!!!!!!!!!!! Indeed yes- get the right day and it will even be free, they have a free day (TUESDAY?) at Balboa Park which rotates around the various museums. I had to pay since I couldn't hang around til the following week, but it was worth every cent. They had to drag me out kicking and screaming when they closed for the day. Also worth a visit but mostly off topic is the maritime museum, with the square rigger Star of India as (what else?) the star attraction. They had to drag me off her as well. The Gaslight district - several blocks of downtown - is good if you're in the mood for eating too much; all in all it's one of my favourite cities, anywhere. Aidrian ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 16:41:52 -0300 From: "cameron rile" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: PC-12 - makes of aeroplanes and serial numbers/ was: The little boy who got old Message-ID: <199907211338493@cameron.prontomail.com> >Well, OK but this time I think it would be nice to have a >organized list of aeroplanes with make/type and serial numbers, >that were thought to be coloured PC-12. If anyone wants to mail >me a list of these, I could compile something. I am happy to go through my miniscule library looking for PC12 aircraft, but I am not sure I would know a PC12 aircraft in a BW photo if I was looking at it. How does a PC12 aircraft appear in a photo as opposed to a PC10 aircraft or a CDL aircraft for that matter? cam ______________________________________________________________ Get Your Free E-mail and Homepage at http://www.prontomail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 16:45:29 EDT From: BStett3770@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Edaurds/Amc 1/48 Aviatik Berg D-1 Message-ID: Hi Gang Just wanted to let everyone know the 1/48 Eduards/AMC Aviatic Berg D-1 just hit the US of A - I'll have some in stock tomorrow. info on my web site Keep Modeling Barry Rosemont Hobby www.swiftsite.com/rosemonthobby ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 17:00:40 -0400 (EDT) From: mkendix To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: PC-12 - makes of aeroplanes and serial numbers/ was: The little boy who got old Message-ID: Cam: AFAIK it is not really possible to tell with any meaningful level of probability whether an aeroplane is PC10 or PC12 from a black and white photograph. I searched the list archives and came up with the following: Sopwith Triplanes: Apparently, according to Bob Pearson, many of these had French markings and were numbered 1-18 (on the fuselage, I presume, not their serials). Also, Bob said that it was known that many Sopwith Triplanes were PC12 but it is not known which ones. SE5a's According to Riordan, SE5a B139 of No.111 Squadron is possibly PC12 (ref: SAMI 20/4). Sopwith Baby: Possibly serial number 8188 on page 35 of Datafile 60 (from Charles Duckworth). Bristol Monoplanes: According to Sandy Adam, sent to the Eastern theatre were either PC10 or PC12. They also had a light blue undersurface up to mid-fuselage. Michael mkendix@worthen.ihcrp.georgetown.edu On Wed, 21 Jul 1999, cameron rile wrote: > >Well, OK but this time I think it would be nice to have a > >organized list of aeroplanes with make/type and serial numbers, > >that were thought to be coloured PC-12. If anyone wants to mail > >me a list of these, I could compile something. > > I am happy to go through my miniscule library looking for PC12 > aircraft, but I am not sure I would know a PC12 aircraft in a > BW photo if I was looking at it. How does a PC12 aircraft appear > in a photo as opposed to a PC10 aircraft or a CDL aircraft for > that matter? > > > > > cam > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Get Your Free E-mail and Homepage at http://www.prontomail.com > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 07:07:36 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: The little boy who got old Message-ID: <65C968E11318D311B0BD0060B06865CD041219@mimhexch.mim.com.au> Matt, > It is with those words that I say: I have no idea about Nieuport > sweepback. New evidence to me thanks to Mike Fletcher leaves > all in doubt. Hehe. Don't you love this hobby. Just when you think you understand, you don't. > However, the Toko Nieuports' lower wing is still too short in > span... :-) By 33.33% by my calculation. ;-) Shane (Who cracked and bought a Nie16 after all. Effing Toko. I don't build 1/72, really) nb Pegasus LVG C.VI, adding interior structure, decalling upper wing 1/48 Albatros W.4, filling seams ************************************************************** The information contained in this E-Mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this E-Mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this E_Mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted E-Mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Help Desk. E-Mail: helpdesk@mim.com.au or phone: Australia 07 3833 8042. ************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 07:10:58 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: see ya soon Message-ID: <65C968E11318D311B0BD0060B06865CD04121A@mimhexch.mim.com.au> Diego, > Lucky bloody bastard! ;-) No need to be jealous old mate. Just cos it's winter down here doesn't mean much. Nice 45F min to 64F days max and bright blue skies isn't all bad. Whats that you say? It's colder in Argentina? Remind me never to get posted to our BA office then. Shane ************************************************************** The information contained in this E-Mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this E-Mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this E_Mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted E-Mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Help Desk. E-Mail: helpdesk@mim.com.au or phone: Australia 07 3833 8042. ************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 16:15:52 -0500 From: Matthew E Bittner To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: The little boy who got old Message-ID: <19990721.161650.-149107.3.mbittner@juno.com> On Wed, 21 Jul 1999 17:09:01 -0400 (EDT) Shane Weier writes: > Hehe. Don't you love this hobby. Just when you think you > understand, you > don't. Well, more on that to follow. ;-) > By 33.33% by my calculation. Hardy har har... > (Who cracked and bought a Nie16 after all. Effing Toko. I don't > build 1/72, > really) Bwahahahaha! > nb Pegasus LVG C.VI, adding interior structure, decalling > upper wing You primarily model in this scale, don't you? :-) Matt Bittner http://www.geocities.com/~ipmsfortcrook http://www.discoveromaha.com/community/groups/plasticmodelers/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 07:57:06 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: The little boy who got old Message-ID: <65C968E11318D311B0BD0060B06865CD04121B@mimhexch.mim.com.au> Matt, :-þ > > nb Pegasus LVG C.VI, adding interior structure, decalling > > upper wing > > You primarily model in this scale, don't you? :-) and :-þ again. Just because I stick the teeny bits together doesn't mean I *model* in this scale. But... I concede that there are those who do, and many of them are kids. So 3 years ago, when it was decided to abolish the 1/72 scale sections at our major model show (by making 1/72 compete directly with 1/48), I offered to sponsor the 1/72 sections out of my own pocket, and to promote them at the nine clubs in our area. At last years show, 1/72 entries outnumbered 1/48 (just), I no longer need to sponsor to prove the point, but I do intend to *enter* to support the section within the show (as I did last year) So, get off my case. ;-) I just started this flipping thing and the show is 20-22 August. In case you never noticed, that means Mr 3.5 years has to finish a model in a month :-( Shane ************************************************************** The information contained in this E-Mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this E-Mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this E_Mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted E-Mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Help Desk. E-Mail: helpdesk@mim.com.au or phone: Australia 07 3833 8042. ************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 16:58:28 -0600 From: "Landon, James D" To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: The Little boy who got old Message-ID: <98B98E951BA0D1119A590000F8045A47030A3050@emss02m05.ems.lmco.com> <> Well, for crying out loud! Don't just fantasize about it, DO IT!!! Jim > ---------- > From: KarrArt@aol.com > Reply To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu > Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 1999 11:10 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: The Little boy who got old > > In a message dated 7/20/99 8:20:48 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > Waltman@erols.com writes: > > << > As for myself, I also built the Guillows Thomas Morse many years ago. I > remember being so excited about building and flying it. I studied the > plans, put it together covered it, doped it, took it to the local school > yard, wound the rubber band with an egg-beater, was all set. I released > it and watched it turn itself into toothpicks about a foot and a half > away from me, just like the Nieuport 28 did, just like the Rumpler did. > I should have built the Flying Aces Moth. > >> > > I built almost all the Guillows and the only ones I had successful > flights > with were the Nieuport 28 and Fokker D.VIII. But, boy oh boy, couls they > ever > be turned into great static models(or at least I thought so then). Even > today, I fantasize about taking the big Nieuport 11 (1"= 1') and doing it > up > as a pure display model. > Robert K. > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 19:40:10 EDT From: BStett3770@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Eduards Kit Sale- Rosemont Message-ID: <9f90bde8.24c7b45a@aol.com> Hi Guy Eduards is having a sale on the following kits, wanted to let the list members know before I put it on my web site. The following kits on sale All 1/48 Scale #8013 Albatros D-3 - $9.00 #8017 Albatros D.III - $9.00 #8023 Nieuport 17 late - $9.00 #8033 Nieuport 17 Lafayette $10.00 #8037 Albatros Dr-1 - $10.00 #8919 Flashback - H.B. 29 - $30.00 First come first serve - I'll be ordering on Friday -so anyone interested e-mail off list - E-mail bstett3770@aol.com I'll be putting the list on my website Friday Keep Modeling Barry Rosemont Hobby www.swiftsite.com/rosemonthobby ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 18:42:59 -0500 From: "The Shannons" To: Subject: Re: Changing wings - was: Voss Albatross Message-ID: <000601bed3d2$c52e6ea0$b44cddcf@default> Actually, these comments were intended in much the same vein as general, "Idunno, there's no information to prove it" tone. Off topic, again, but anyone who looks at the much clearer photos of WWII, Korea, and Viet Nam will see that mechanics have always been able to take two broken machines and make one good one. Usually, they do it in a rather short time. "Standards" last about as long as it takes the aircraft to make it to disassembly for transport. The mix and match keep em flying is universal, especially in any outfit that knew they had to be frugal. Hmmm. That does sound interesting -- changed out upper wings, partially repainted lower wings, a few scuffs in the personnal markings..... .Mark. -----Original Message----- From: Sandy Adam To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Tuesday, July 20, 1999 3:21 PM Subject: Re: Changing wings - was: Voss Albatross >>Things are never simple, then. Would the change mean that the upper wing >>was lilac/green and the lower wing 3-color? Also, which wing bore the >>chordwise stripes just inboard of the crosses -- old, new, both? > >Now this bit is just pure surmise - and if you decide to take a different >route that's perfectly valid and OK by me, but imagine the following: > <<<<<<>>>>> >> Before this is done, the forbidden question of his F.I 103/17 cowling >could become >>trivial! > > >You're dead right, Mark - but isn't that part of the fun of modelling ww >one! >Sandy > > >>.Mark. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 19:54:01 EDT From: BStett3770@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: What is a Match Model? Message-ID: <7657e9ec.24c7b799@aol.com> In a message dated 7/21/99 12:12:25 AM Eastern Daylight Time, bshatzer@orednet.org writes: << Ya' missed the Sopwith Camel, Barry. >> Wow how did I miss that - must be old age :-) Keep modeling Barry Rosemont Hobby www.swiftsite.com/rosemonthobby ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 17:09:32 -0700 From: "Bob Pearson" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Changing wings - was: Voss Albatross Message-ID: <199907220022.RAA17108@mail.rapidnet.net> Barker's B6313 had the wings replaced at least once, the fuselage was rebuilt, new engine was installed. This was all done at the squadron level. There are photos of B-17s that were cobbled together from various damaged aircraft and in extreme cases it happens to ships as well. In both world wars damaged RN destroyers were grafted together to become a new ship .. ... I forget which ones in WW2 but IIRC in WW1 it was HMS Nubian and HMS Zulu which became HMS Zubian ... Bob ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 19:29:50 -0500 From: Ernest Thomas To: multiple recipients of list Subject: Off to the Nats. :) Message-ID: <379665FE.CE0@bellsouth.net> Hi all, I'm un-subscribing until monday to go to Orlando. Hope to see some of you there. Wish me luck. E. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 19:42:17 -0500 From: "K. Hagerup" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Off Topic Request ( Was: Off to the Nats. :) Message-ID: <379668E9.7228@prodigy.net> Would any member who may be visiting the Museum of Naval Aviation at Pensacola as part of a trip to the Nats please respond off list for a personal request. Thanks, Ken hagerupk@prodigy.net ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 19:46:39 -0500 From: "K. Hagerup" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Austro-Hungarian Lozenge Message-ID: <379669EF.2570@prodigy.net> Does anyone have the A-H lozenge articles in Cross & Cockade Vol 17, nos. 1, 2, and 3, 1986? Thanks, Ken ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 19:59:57 -0500 From: "The Shannons" To: Subject: Re: Black CA Message-ID: <004401bed3dd$85687080$b44cddcf@default> I don't think you can say it was "Invented" per se. The story goes that a graduate student working toward his doctorate in Organic Chemistry back in the early '50's was doing research for his professor into various acrylate derivatives. One of the methods used for identifying and distinguishing compounds is the index of refraction -- you put a few drops of a liquid or low melting solid pure compound between two very cleanly ground and tight fitting prisms and measure the amount it bends pure sodium D wavelength light compared to water (this is 'much' before 1. instruments like NMR's and Mass Spectrometers that tell you what you have in a few minutes, and 2. lasers). Well, of course the student had made some cyanoacrylate compounds as part of the study. Went to run the index and found he could not open the prisms again. His first reaction was the dread of having to tell the professor he had just destroyed an expensive piece of equipment (ca. $500 US back then, or interminable indentured servitude at graduate student stipends). His professor, of course, immediately made like one of those cartoon characters who see money for nothing, complete with dollar signs in the eyes, and reassured the student that all was forgiven, and by the way, write up the prep real quick while the prof got the lawyers in on it. Both retired EXTREMELY well off. .Mark. Lee J Mensinger wrote: >I am not sure that CA was originally invented for sutures. I have doubts and memories. > >Paul Schwartzkopf wrote: > >> Just in case there are one or two of you who don't know, CA adhesive was originally developed for a method of sealing skin without sutures after surgery. And Tom Solinski wrote: Gee Paul my "fact" :-) on the issue is that CA was developed for the aerospace industry to keep strain gauges bonded to metal surfaces without significantly affecting the amount of strain being measured. It is really good at bonding fingers to $125.00 strain gauge assemblies. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 22:02:46 -0400 From: "Arron Monroe" To: Subject: Re: WWI Pubs Message-ID: <00d901bed3e6$4c7aaf00$d5a15f18@arron.twcny.rr.com> >From what I have heard I would be interested in the Windsocks, how much is a subscription to Windsock and who would I contact? Thanks AM -----Original Message----- From: WALTER H. APPEL To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Monday, July 19, 1999 10:38 PM Subject: Re: WWI Pubs >Amen Lance!! > >I just received my first copies of Windsock today. If I had these 30 >years ago I probably wouldn't have gotten out of the hobby, Phonix, >Pfalz DXII, Ansaldo, and Martinsyde, all the types that I was starting >to get interested in, and not all available in Profiles. They are well >worth the investment. Like I said earlier, a mission. > >I haven't received my first copies of C&C and Over The Front but I have >put together an order for back issues of WWI Aero as well as subscribing >to it also, along with Skyways. I like the technical information that >they have, (yeah, I count bolt threads) and the cockpit photos are >great. I realize that it is beyond the scope of this group, though you >all seem very tolerant about non WWI, but the article on the Curtis Hawk >in Skyways was fantastic. IMHO. > >Gotta go, I just saw one of my cats carrying what looks to be a Neiuport >fuselage towards the litter box. I hope it is the Testors and not the >Eduard..... > >Walt > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 22:19:45 EDT From: Zulis@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: further on the future of the hobby..... Message-ID: <9ea76f2.24c7d9c1@aol.com> Shane modestly mentioned, in passing: << So 3 years ago, when it was decided to abolish the 1/72 scale sections at our major model show (by making 1/72 compete directly with 1/48), I offered to sponsor the 1/72 sections out of my own pocket, and to promote them at the nine clubs in our area. >> Just in case this flew by anyone on the list (Shane buried it deep in the paragraph) - I think this relates directly to that fabulous thread on the future of the hobby which we recently had. This is just another example of the sorts of things that some list members are doing to promote the hobby. A tip of the hat in the general direction of Brisbane, Australia. Dave Z ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 1722 **********************