WWI Digest 1721 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: The Little boy who got old by "DAVID BURKE" 2) RE: The little boy who got old by Shane Weier 3) Re: The little boy who got old by "Bill Neill" 4) Re: Paint storage by "Bill Neill" 5) Re: The little boy who got old by REwing@aol.com 6) Re: New thread, WWI Pubs. by David & Carol Fletcher 7) San Diego Bound by REwing@aol.com 8) Re: The little boy who got old by Albatrosdv@aol.com 9) Re: The little boy who got old by Albatrosdv@aol.com 10) Re: The Little boy who got old by Albatrosdv@aol.com 11) Re: Nieuport 16 Addendum by Albatrosdv@aol.com 12) Re: Paint storage by Albatrosdv@aol.com 13) Re: The Little boy who got old by Albatrosdv@aol.com 14) Re: Paint storage by Ernest Thomas 15) exactitude by "Sandy Adam" 16) see ya soon by "Sandy Adam" 17) Re: The little boy who got old by Matthew E Bittner 18) RE: see ya soon by "Diego Fernetti" 19) Re: James Gray's models by kevinkim@interlog.com (Kevin & Kimberley) 20) Re: Laminated Props by Scottfking@aol.com 21) Kevin Barrett's C.III, was Re: James Gray's models by Matthew E Bittner 22) PC-12 - makes of aeroplanes and serial numbers/ was: The little boy who got old by mkendix 23) Re: French Blue was Nieuport 16 Addendum by "Lance Krieg" 24) RE: WWI pub disposal by "Landon, James D" 25) laminated props by "d mather" 26) Re: FUNNY: You Have GOT To See This! by "Mark Shanks" 27) RE: The little boy who got old by "Landon, James D" 28) Re: Black CA by "Mark Shanks" 29) RE: James Gray's models by "Landon, James D" 30) Re: FUNNY: You Have GOT To See This! by "DAVID BURKE" 31) Re: The little boy who got old by "DAVID BURKE" 32) Re: The little boy who got old by "DAVID BURKE" 33) Re: Black CA by "DAVID BURKE" 34) RE: The little boy who got old by "Landon, James D" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 00:11:05 -0500 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: The Little boy who got old Message-ID: <005701bed337$e2ab6d20$2b82aec7@dora9sprynet.com> I used >to be into Civil War Re-enacting. Did you ever run into the situation depicted in 'Mr. Show' where they were going to re-enact some battle, but the park/battleground had already been staked out by the Rennaissance Festival - and they were worried because they knew that the Trekkies were going to show up in costume and pretend that they were in a time warp - and so the re-enactment had to take place in the parking lot, and somebody screwed up and each side brought a guy dressed as Abe Lincoln? I must improve the ventilation in here. DB ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 15:18:09 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: The little boy who got old Message-ID: <65C968E11318D311B0BD0060B06865CD041218@mimhexch.mim.com.au> Bill, > There are few absolute truths in this particular field of > research. > > And the fellow who comes along and pronounces that he "knows" > you have it wrong is likely either a liar or a fool. > A grand summary of what I was trying to say. > Heck, you should have observed the extended long-range sniping > interrupted by occassional 8" howitzer barrages between Dan > San Abbot and Alex Imrie following the publication of Imrie's > "The Fokker Triplane" book. "Driedekkeritis" Yes, during my sojourn in bed last week I re-read that precise exchange. It was actually in mind when I was writing the quoted text this morning > > Compared to that, the discussion between Sandy and myself > is water pistols at 50 paces! :-) Indeed. > I suppose the moral is that if two fellows as knowledgable > and respected as Imrie and Abbot can disagree -that- violently, > the TRUTH is not always that self-evident or even available. Having re-read the entire exchange very recently, I must say that my respect for one of the combatants dropped a little. No names, but the one who irritated me was the one claiming absolute knowledge of colour on the basis of grey scale interpretation. I'm not too impressed by absolutists in this field *though* I would probably let pass *some* claims as being so likely as to be admitted certainties. Shane ************************************************************** The information contained in this E-Mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). 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Bill Neill > Shane wrote: > > >the frequency of words and phrases like "it is believed", "probably", > >"mostly", "as far as I know" (AFAIK). ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 22:35:25 -0700 From: "Bill Neill" To: Subject: Re: Paint storage Message-ID: <002a01bed33a$d90993c0$4f38c0d8@bill> I went to my local hobby shop (name available on request), they had a rack for Humbrol, which they had discontinued, they wanted $50 for it. But it's that kind of hobby shop.... Bill Neill > or go to your local hobby shop > and ask if there are any racks for discontinued paints that you might > have/buy. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 02:01:19 EDT From: REwing@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: The little boy who got old Message-ID: <6c4fbc58.24c6bc2f@aol.com> Jim wrote, << When someone on The List later informed me that the skeleton was not how the real fuselage was constructed, and the wing cross section isn't anywhere near accurate, etc. I was disappointed, because it said "Scale Model" on the box. But I wasn't going to throw it away and start over. >> I write, The Guillows' kits are *flying scale* models. They were designed to endure the hardships of being launched into the air and sail peaceful on the summer breeze. Mine usually did a full power dive into the dirt!! The kit wasn't meant to be a true scale version, because a lot of concessions have to made to allow the model to fly. This is mostly seen in the airfoil of the wings. The R/C modelers would call this Stand-Off Scale or Stand-Way-Off Scale, and is similar to Tom's one-foot rule. The judges have to stand a certain number of feet away and to evaluate each model. The important thing is to do as little or as much as YOU want to do and have fun doing it! -Rick- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 22:04:53 -0700 From: David & Carol Fletcher To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: New thread, WWI Pubs. Message-ID: <379554F5.7860@mars.ark.com> "Btw, what's a 'helicopter'?" The Wright Brothers summed it up, "a helicopter does with a great expenditure of energy what a balloon does effortlessly" ("or words to that effect", as a lawyer would add if he couldn't remember the exact quote either). I've been progressively cutting back on subscriptions as the fiscal reality of retirement sets in ("twice as much husband on half as much money" as a certain wife has observed). I dropped "Fana de l'Aviation" as I no longer have to practice French to keep my government job - and it was getting way too expensive anyway, but I keep "Aeroplane" and "FlyPast" since they cover most of my interests and enough WWI stuff that I have to be first to the mailbox (right, Mike?). I belong to IPMS/Canada and if "RT" doesn't have what the members want, then they only have themselves to blame for not contributing. If I really want to get deeply into WWI stuff, then I raid the next room - at least I can until Mike moves out again. To be honest, I find I can recall something in a 1958 "Air Progress" and pluck it from the shelf instantly and then I'm pleasantly surprised when I find an article of interest in a 1997 "Aeroplane" that I'd totally forgotten about. So, maybe I should just keep to all the old references I had time to read and really absorb. Having had my stuff in storage for eight years, it's really great to dig back through material and read books I'd bought duplicates of because I didn't remember having them in the first place. My library is not measured in volumes but in weight (courtesy of many moves over the years) and is now somewhere between four and five tons of paper. Do I really need to subscribe to something else? Dave Fletcher (...and if people on this list want to wax philosophical, do they use "Future" for that too?) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 02:28:05 EDT From: REwing@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: San Diego Bound Message-ID: <4fe73ddd.24c6c275@aol.com> Hello All, I'm going to San Diego next week for some family R&R. I seem to remember that there is a Fokker E.III in that neck-of- the-woods. Can anyone anyone clue me in, please? Also, is there any other place(s) that I should make a point to get to for some great aeroplane experience? I'll have to divy up my time with LegoLand, Zoo, and Wild Animal Park. So please priortize the list (hoping there is a list!!). TIA, -Rick- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 02:52:46 EDT From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: The little boy who got old Message-ID: <85795081.24c6c83e@aol.com> Speaking of the "Color Cops," there are a group of guys here in the Lower Left Corner who have these T-shirts they wear to shows that ask: "Were you there when they chose a can of paint from this production run over that one? Were you there when the feldwebel thinned it with avgas instead of mineral spirits?" It goes on and on. Me, mostly I notice that the CC's almost never bring a model of their own to the show, and whenever one of them comes over to me and starts their little rain dance, I interrupt them with "Gee, will you show me yours now that you've seen mine???" Shuts 'em up every time. I've also discovered most of them have the kind of jobs that would drive anyone nuts who had to suffer through it 40+ hours a week, so I let them have their little fantasies of being something other than a "never-was/never-will-be." Take pity on them, they have no lives. Remember, if you're looking for someone with a little authority, they have as little as any! Cheers, Tom C ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 02:54:07 EDT From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: The little boy who got old Message-ID: <5baa3f01.24c6c88f@aol.com> In a message dated 99-07-20 22:16:43 EDT, you write: << I could start that thread again about which RFC/RAF WWI aeroplanes were to be found in PC.12. Michael >> Why don't you??? Tom C ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 03:01:35 EDT From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: The Little boy who got old Message-ID: In a message dated 99-07-20 23:20:48 EDT, you write: << I also have to say, in the little boy growing old vein, that picking up the kit that was probably the first one I ever built also was quite an experience. I do remember my father bringing it home to me with a tube of glue, I think he got it at the local Safeway. I was six or seven. The fact that the Aurora kits are still out there also is very important to me, after all, from the past we make the future better, as long as we have the past to look at once in a while. Ooo... That was sickening wasn't it? >> Good statement, Walt. Wax poetic often (it'll give you practice for coming over here and waxing professionally on The White Elephant out in the garage.) :-) Tom Cleaver ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 03:04:02 EDT From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Nieuport 16 Addendum Message-ID: In a message dated 99-07-20 23:27:00 EDT, you write: << This brings up a question. The French blue is often portrayed a a fairly weak blue-gray, much like WWII USN Intermediate Blue. Why would the French use a color so unlike the blue in the Tricolor? Or, is this a case where the blue has just been portrayed lighter in the accepted references and is now treated as fact? >> My suspicion is they are going with the WW2 and contemporary blue in the French roundel, which is a blue-greyish color. Eduard, on the other hand, in the manly scale, has gotten a color more like the tricolor. Then again, it might also be "scale effect" in Eensy-Weensy Land. :-) Tom C ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 03:05:07 EDT From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Paint storage Message-ID: In a message dated 99-07-20 23:44:12 EDT, you write: << I tried before painting the top of each bottle with the contents, but that involves opening the bottle, and it's hard to distinguish color variations. Tried writing on the top, but everything seems to rub off easy. >> You'll just have to develop a prodigious memory like the rest of us, Bill! Tom C ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 03:09:05 EDT From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: The Little boy who got old Message-ID: <840eb205.24c6cc11@aol.com> In a message dated 99-07-21 01:20:15 EDT, you write: << Did you ever run into the situation depicted in 'Mr. Show' where they were going to re-enact some battle, but the park/battleground had already been staked out by the Rennaissance Festival - and they were worried because they knew that the Trekkies were going to show up in costume and pretend that they were in a time warp - and so the re-enactment had to take place in the parking lot, and somebody screwed up and each side brought a guy dressed as Abe Lincoln? >> ROTFLMAO!! I thought that sort of thing only happened in the Lower Left Corner! Tom C ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 03:08:40 -0500 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Paint storage Message-ID: <37958008.11C2@bellsouth.net> Bill Neill wrote: > Anyone got any neat ideas how I can organise the paint once I get to put the > workshop back together? If painting the tops won't work, just group the paints by colors(reds, blues, greens, greys, matalics, etc...) You'll still have to hunt for just the right color, but it won't take as long and it will be easier to compare like colors. Hth... E. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 10:02:30 +0100 From: "Sandy Adam" To: Subject: exactitude Message-ID: <009001bed357$dbd46d60$18e8b094@sandyada> Bill says- >Absolute certitude is, however, seldom in order. Which is exactly why his previous pronouncement- "The central radiator is correct however."... drew my response. Some of us disagree. Let's have no more edicts from on high unless we have some accepted incontrovertible proof. Sandy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 10:06:56 +0100 From: "Sandy Adam" To: Subject: see ya soon Message-ID: <009301bed358$64e71080$18e8b094@sandyada> I'm off to sunny Greece for two weeks of hedonism (I hope). Definitely NOT taking a LapTop - so see you when I get back. Sandy PS Ivan - I trust you got my direct mail OK thanking you for kits. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 05:11:59 -0500 From: Matthew E Bittner To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: The little boy who got old Message-ID: <19990721.051704.-86913.2.mbittner@juno.com> On Wed, 21 Jul 1999 01:05:58 -0400 (EDT) bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) writes: > And the fellow who comes along and pronounces that he "knows" > you have it wrong is likely either a liar or a fool. It is with those words that I say: I have no idea about Nieuport sweepback. New evidence to me thanks to Mike Fletcher leaves all in doubt. However, the Toko Nieuports' lower wing is still too short in span... :-) Matt Bittner http://www.geocities.com/~ipmsfortcrook http://www.discoveromaha.com/community/groups/plasticmodelers/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 07:37:39 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: Subject: RE: see ya soon Message-ID: <009a01bed29b$e4320600$4640a8c0@prens-001.ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Lucky bloody bastard! ;-) D. -----Mensaje original----- De: Sandy Adam Para: Multiple recipients of list Fecha: Miércoles, 21 de Julio de 1999 06:19 a.m. Asunto: see ya soon >I'm off to sunny Greece for two weeks of hedonism (I hope). >Definitely NOT taking a LapTop - so see you when I get back. >Sandy >PS Ivan - I trust you got my direct mail OK thanking you for kits. > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 07:12:13 -0500 From: kevinkim@interlog.com (Kevin & Kimberley) To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: James Gray's models Message-ID: > >Excellent French birds. Agreed! Everything that's been going up on Allan's site (and there has been a lot recently) has been wonderful and diverse. Very inspiring. Kevin Barrett. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 07:10:30 EDT From: Scottfking@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Laminated Props Message-ID: <10c04001.24c704a6@aol.com> Shane Weier writes: I have used both CyA and cellulosic (i.e. Ambroid) types of cement, both work well for me. I finish my props with cellulose dope, sanding between coats. I have only used 1/64 plywood for the blades. Skippy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 06:12:17 -0500 From: Matthew E Bittner To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Kevin Barrett's C.III, was Re: James Gray's models Message-ID: <19990721.061217.-8105.0.mbittner@juno.com> On Wed, 21 Jul 1999 07:01:57 -0400 (EDT) kevinkim@interlog.com (Kevin & Kimberley) writes: > Agreed! Everything that's been going up on Allan's site (and there > has been > a lot recently) has been wonderful and diverse. Very inspiring. For those who haven't been following, Kevin is up to "page 5" in his Pegasus Albatros C.III build. Keep going, Kevin! Matt Bittner http://www.geocities.com/~ipmsfortcrook http://www.discoveromaha.com/community/groups/plasticmodelers/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 09:30:30 -0400 (EDT) From: mkendix To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: PC-12 - makes of aeroplanes and serial numbers/ was: The little boy who got old Message-ID: On Wed, 21 Jul 1999 Albatrosdv@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 99-07-20 22:16:43 EDT, you write: > > << I could start that thread > again about which RFC/RAF WWI aeroplanes were to be found in PC.12. > > Michael >> > > Why don't you??? > > Tom C > Tom: Well, OK but this time I think it would be nice to have a organized list of aeroplanes with make/type and serial numbers, that were thought to be coloured PC-12. If anyone wants to mail me a list of these, I could compile something. I think that I recall Sopwith Triplanes and S.E5a's were sometimes painted PC-12 but my memory fails me for other types. Once I have compiled this "list" perhaps we could put it on the web page, with Allan's permission of course. Michael ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 08:54:29 -0500 From: "Lance Krieg" To: Subject: Re: French Blue was Nieuport 16 Addendum Message-ID: Someone has opined: " Why would the French use a color so unlike the blue in the Tricolor? Or, is this a case where the blue has just been portrayed lighter in the accepted references and is now treated as fact?" This doubt has been plaguing me for some time. I take my color cues from Glen Merrill at Americal, who has always portrayed the "bleu" thus, and brooks no disagreement on any of his choices. Could these light blues be based on badly faded fabric, and were in fact much darker when freshly applied? Any theories? Lance ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 08:29:35 -0600 From: "Landon, James D" To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" , Subject: RE: WWI pub disposal Message-ID: <98B98E951BA0D1119A590000F8045A47030A3047@emss02m05.ems.lmco.com> I assume these were snapped up overnight while I was away from my computer. But if not, as a newbie I'm always looking for "more input" as Number Five said. Jim Landon > ---------- > From: BOBFABRIS@delphi.com > Reply To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu > Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 1999 5:51 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: WWI pub disposal > > I have some older issues of WWI Aero, Mil.Air.Preview,Insignia,19-39 > Airwars > etc to dispose of... bobfabris@delphi.com > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 07:38:42 PDT From: "d mather" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: laminated props Message-ID: <19990721143843.6508.qmail@hotmail.com> I very much enjoy using my airbrush, and if it were not for cleaning it, I'd just live in the garage at my workbench. My point is that if I could figure out how to simulate the laminations by airbrushing, I'd do it. I built a small painting jig a month ago for the Dr.1 prop, but built it of plastic strips. Object was to layer the plastic in such a way as to leave every other strip open, and by spraying the second color thru, achieve the perfect 'wrap' of the layered colors. Well, it almost worked, except the plastic was too weak to hold the perfectly straight layers, so I got bowed laminates. I bought brass to build my next jig, but haven't built it yet. On the FSM magazine topic, I have long found it interesting that here in the US, we have many 'tank/miniature' and car magazines, but no decent a/c exclusive magazines. Bring that up on RMS and receive a chastisement for not being 'open' to all you 'learn' from other diciplines of modeling. (I have no problem with that, but that's no why I buy model magazines) I'm very glad to see this thread, and now have an idea what to look for on OT magazines. Thanks again, doug nb. DML Dr.1 _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 08:15:44 -0700 From: "Mark Shanks" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: FUNNY: You Have GOT To See This! Message-ID: <199907211509.IAA29099@elvis.fltdyn.com> Dave Burke (and others) seem to have missed what's really for sale here: > I'd bet that somebody believes it and buys it and takes it to the > 'Antiques Roadshow'. > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=134415669 All the poor guy has to sell are a couple of cheesy-looking patches and a button - but I'm hire him as a copywriter ANY time!! Mark mshanks@fltdyn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 09:16:00 -0600 From: "Landon, James D" To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: The little boy who got old Message-ID: <98B98E951BA0D1119A590000F8045A47030A3049@emss02m05.ems.lmco.com> <> In the local hobby shops I haven't happened to notice anything labeled "PC.12" or "PC.10". How does one acquire these "official" colors? I would need it in quart cans, since I work in 1/12 scale (and thinking about moving up to 1/6) . When they sold me my Tommy kit last Christmas, they sold me a spray can of Olive Drab for it ("Model Master" brand). Which turned out to be flat, naturally, so I've had to apply clear sanding sealer to make it glossy. P.S. As I read the posts that came in overnight, I'm a little concerned that I may have said things I maybe shouldn't have, about my Tommy not being "right", but the public and museums not knowing the difference. Or perhaps my meaning was not clearly expressed (Gee, that's never happened before). If I actually really upset anyone please accept my apology. Jim > ---------- > From: mkendix > Reply To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu > Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 1999 8:15 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: RE: The little boy who got old > > On Tue, 20 Jul 1999, Shane Weier wrote: > > > Michael, > > > > >I build other stuff too but only when I run out of > > > greeny-brown and cream paint. > > > > Would that be GreenyBrown.10 ? Not to be confused with > > BrownyBrownKindaOrange.12 ? > > Shane: > > I see you're feeling slightly better. Answer is yes. I'd forgotten > about PC.12, which was the reason I did an SE5a but then I did it in > PC.10. I had bought some Floquil Box Car Red but now I've gone to > water-based acrylics, I'll have to mix my own. I could start that thread > again about which RFC/RAF WWI aeroplanes were to be found in PC.12. > > Michael > > > mkendix@worthen.ihcrp.georgetown.edu > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 08:19:25 -0700 From: "Mark Shanks" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Black CA Message-ID: <199907211513.IAA29186@elvis.fltdyn.com> David Burke writes: > Have any of you seen or used the new black CA? Apparently it has > neoprene, or some other rubber in it to increase its flexibility and sheer > strength. Cures in about 25-45 seconds. It's being black allows for > touch-up work in certain areas without having to worry about painting it. > > What'll they think of next? Haven't seen it, but we're due for SOMEthing new in the adhesive world. I remember when CA first came out - much talk of banning it because of the possibility of glueing your fingers together. Me - I'll take some in FS 595 36118, and RLM 02, 65, 66, and 76, please. Mark mshanks@fltdyn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 09:33:28 -0600 From: "Landon, James D" To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: James Gray's models Message-ID: <98B98E951BA0D1119A590000F8045A47030A304A@emss02m05.ems.lmco.com> Oh wow!! James, how do you get such detail and realism in microscopic scales? But you forgot to put wings on some of your pieces! Jim (The other James D. Something) > ---------- > From: Matthew E Bittner > Reply To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu > Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 1999 8:44 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: James Gray's models > > Just noticed Al added a page of James' models. > > Excellent job, James! And to think there's something smaller than > 1/72nd! :-) > > Excellent French birds. > > > Matt Bittner > http://www.geocities.com/~ipmsfortcrook > http://www.discoveromaha.com/community/groups/plasticmodelers/index.html > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 10:31:49 -0500 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: FUNNY: You Have GOT To See This! Message-ID: <007701bed38e$cf148d80$5362c0d1@dora9sprynet.com> No Mark, I understood perfectly what is for sale. But I could envision some dork on the 'Roadshow' explaining to a bemused appraiser how it relates to Schicklegruber's missing pebble. See - that's why I thought it was funny! Ahh Hell, not after I've explained it, of course... DB -----Original Message----- From: Mark Shanks To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Wednesday, July 21, 1999 10:15 AM Subject: Re: FUNNY: You Have GOT To See This! >Dave Burke (and others) seem to have missed what's really for sale >here: > >> I'd bet that somebody believes it and buys it and takes it to the >> 'Antiques Roadshow'. > >> > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=134415669 > >All the poor guy has to sell are a couple of cheesy-looking patches >and a button - but I'm hire him as a copywriter ANY time!! > >Mark >mshanks@fltdyn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 10:35:58 -0500 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: The little boy who got old Message-ID: <007801bed38e$d04a4e60$5362c0d1@dora9sprynet.com> No names, but the one who >irritated me was the one claiming absolute knowledge of colour on the basis >of grey scale interpretation. Yeah, I like people like that (oops, I didn't mean to get any sarcasm on anybody). They see a multitude of colors, I see grey. But, I reckon that they're a neccessity as they keep everyone on their toes. Bye All! Dave Off to the Nats ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 10:39:24 -0500 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: The little boy who got old Message-ID: <008f01bed38f$457608a0$5362c0d1@dora9sprynet.com> >P.S. As I read the posts that came in overnight, I'm a little concerned >that I may have said things I maybe shouldn't have, about my Tommy not being >"right", but the public and museums not knowing the difference. Or perhaps >my meaning was not clearly expressed (Gee, that's never happened before). >If I actually really upset anyone please accept my apology. > >Jim No! I'm NOT accepting your apology! This enjoyable and interesting discussion has been ALL YOUR FAULT, so live with it! Take it easy! Dave ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 10:37:28 -0500 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: Black CA Message-ID: <008e01bed38f$449bd540$5362c0d1@dora9sprynet.com> -----Original Message----- From: Mark Shanks To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Wednesday, July 21, 1999 10:23 AM Subject: Re: Black CA >David Burke writes: > >> Have any of you seen or used the new black CA? Apparently it has >> neoprene, or some other rubber in it to increase its flexibility and sheer >> strength. Cures in about 25-45 seconds. It's being black allows for >> touch-up work in certain areas without having to worry about painting it. >> >> What'll they think of next? > >Haven't seen it, but we're due for SOMEthing new in the adhesive >world. I remember when CA first came out - much talk of banning it >because of the possibility of glueing your fingers together. > >Me - I'll take some in FS 595 36118, and RLM 02, 65, 66, and 76, >please. > >Mark You and me both. DB ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 10:00:49 -0600 From: "Landon, James D" To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: The little boy who got old Message-ID: <98B98E951BA0D1119A590000F8045A47030A304C@emss02m05.ems.lmco.com> <> Thanks Rick, and everyone else who graciously offered similar advice. You know, when I first displayed photos of my Tommy on my personal website, eons ago, someone from this List could easily have rudely ridiculed it, but nobody did. Someone simply, politely and tactfully informed me that the kit wasn't truly a scale model. Since then, The List has been very generous with compliments on my work on it. Jim, the wanabee member of this group, building a model intended for 12 year old boys, trying to make a silk purse out of a sow's ear. > ---------- > From: REwing@aol.com > Reply To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu > Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 1999 12:01 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: The little boy who got old > > Jim wrote, > > << When someone on The List later informed me that the skeleton was not > how > the > real fuselage was constructed, and the wing cross section isn't anywhere > near accurate, etc. I was disappointed, because it said "Scale Model" on > the > box. But I wasn't going to throw it away and start over. > >> > I write, > The Guillows' kits are *flying scale* models. They were designed to > endure the hardships of being launched into the air and sail peaceful on > the > summer breeze. Mine usually did a full power dive into the dirt!! The > kit > wasn't meant to be a true scale version, because a lot of concessions have > to > made to allow the model to fly. This is mostly seen in the airfoil of the > > wings. > The R/C modelers would call this Stand-Off Scale or Stand-Way-Off > Scale, > and is similar to Tom's one-foot rule. The judges have to stand a certain > > number of feet away and to evaluate each model. > The important thing is to do as little or as much as YOU want to do > and > have fun doing it! > -Rick- > ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 1721 **********************