WWI Digest 1720 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: The little boy who got old by Albatrosdv@aol.com 2) Re: The little boy who got old by "DAVID BURKE" 3) Re: FUNNY: You Have GOT To See This! by "DAVID BURKE" 4) Re: The little boy who got old by "DAVID BURKE" 5) Re: FUNNY: You Have GOT To See This! by "DAVID BURKE" 6) Re: Hmmm....So I Go From Greetings To A Walking Corpse? by bucky@ptdprolog.net 7) RE: The little boy who got old by Shane Weier 8) Re: The little boy who got old by "DAVID BURKE" 9) Re: FUNNY: You Have GOT To See This! by Zulis@aol.com 10) RE: The little boy who got old by mkendix 11) RE: FUNNY: You Have GOT To See This! by Shane Weier 12) Re: Changing wings - was: Voss Albatross by "Lee J Mensinger" 13) Ebay. What's everyone laughing at? by mkendix 14) James Gray's models by Matthew E Bittner 15) RE: Ebay. What's everyone laughing at? by Shane Weier 16) Re: FUNNY: You Have GOT To See This! by Sharon Henderson 17) Toko Nieuport 16 by "K. Hagerup" 18) Re: The Little boy who got old by "WALTER H. APPEL" 19) Nieuport 16 Addendum by "K. Hagerup" 20) =?iso-8859-1?Q?G=F6ring_Letter_Nr.5_on_BMW_?= by Dave Watts 21) Re: Paint storage by "Bill Neill" 22) Re: Paint storage by "Lee J Mensinger" 23) Re: What is a Match Model? by bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) 24) RE: The little boy who got old by bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) 25) Re: Paint storage by "DAVID BURKE" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 20:22:55 EDT From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: The little boy who got old Message-ID: <70be4ff8.24c66cdf@aol.com> In a message dated 99-07-20 20:17:22 EDT, you write: << Sorry old bean, but I have LOTS of fun building the best looking models I can produce. Only to satisfy myself. >> *that's* what I mean!!!! That's it exactly. What I was responding to was the attitude that the model will only be displayable to non-knowledgeable people or at a distance in a museum because it isn't "right" and is therefore unacceptable here. It *will* by the best-looking model he can produce, and it will satisfy him!! I hate to say this, but there are times when a whiff of that attitude does come around on this group. Not often, and it is generally acknowledged if someone is called on it and retracted. I say that because we all (myself included) need to watch out for it. Tom C ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 19:09:17 -0500 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: The little boy who got old Message-ID: <008101bed30f$a0914e00$5383aec7@dora9sprynet.com> >On Tue, 20 Jul 1999, DAVID BURKE wrote: > >David: > >> >> >> As I remind you fellow list members that I am a WW2 modeler, > >Then what're you doin' here :) You must have a passing interest in WWI; >plus, I've seen your Albatros D.III with its plywood finish - doesn't >look like WWII to me. Well, it would if those Brits woulda left their Mosquitoes in natural finish without painting them! But seriously (?), some folks get a bit wrapped up in things, like the threads per inch on bolts and all that. And that's when it gets a little silly. Me, the reason I got into this WWI thing is because I think these contraptions look kinda neat. And they were the first real leap in combat aviation - everything stems from them. 'Immelmann turn' and 'Lufberry Circle' are terms and manouvers that are still taught today, and the more I learn about the air war in WWI, the better I understand the air war in WW2, Korea, et al. Besides, the ply finish on the Albatros isn't that impressive. I've seen much better - and will probably see more Thursday at the Nats. Dave ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 19:11:27 -0500 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: FUNNY: You Have GOT To See This! Message-ID: <008201bed30f$a16b8160$5383aec7@dora9sprynet.com> Dammit, stop it! I laughed in the middle of drinking and the water went the wrong way! Auugh! Dave -----Original Message----- From: Sandy Adam To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Tuesday, July 20, 1999 3:27 PM Subject: Re: FUNNY: You Have GOT To See This! >>This fellow on eBay is selling some small, rather mundane piece of >>militaria....... > >As the song (to the tune of Colonel Bogey) says - > >Hitler has only got one ball >Goering has two but very small >Himmler has something sim'lar >But poor old Goebbels >Has no balls >At All > >Sandy > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 19:21:38 -0500 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: The little boy who got old Message-ID: <008301bed30f$a2242300$5383aec7@dora9sprynet.com> Shane, > >Without intending to get up your nose again, this is one of the things I >love about the Luftstreitkraft over the Luftwaffe, no bloody RLM police to >be seen, so standard colours - if they ever existed as we understand >standards - are left to the opinion and enjoyment of the modeller. A-HA! Well, then maybe your attitude towards my addiction to those unmentionable German A/C of WW2 will soften a bit when I inform you that I am a member of the radical underground that basically flicks boogers at the 'RLM Police' (God, I know where you're coming from too). And the enjoyment comes back to the hobby even more when I put a model on the table and somebody tells me that it's the wrong color. Of course my reply: 'Were YOU there?'. The indignant Styrene Nazi huffs, hemms and haws, and I invariably pummel them into the ground with research and other materials. So you see, a similar thread between the Luftwaffe world and the Luftstreitkraft. I have been following the discussion of Voss' Albatros with great inteerest. I'm lining up my Albatros kits and was trying to figure out what colors of fabric to depict on the OAW and MvR's planes. Eduard seems to only like recommending the two greens and a brown schemes with little or no mention of the lilac. Me, I say sod it. I want lilac wings on one of 'em, so I guess that somebody's gonna have to rewrite a history book or two. Their problem, not mine. DB ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 19:25:43 -0500 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: FUNNY: You Have GOT To See This! Message-ID: <008401bed30f$a2f52ea0$5383aec7@dora9sprynet.com> More amazing: I'd bet that somebody believes it and buys it and takes it to the 'Antiques Roadshow'. DB P.S., for those of you outside the U.S., the 'Antiques Roadshow' is a public T.V. show where people bring stuff in and have it appraised. Sometimes it's interesting - one woman brought in an early painting done by Frank Zappa. My favorite times are when somebody brings in some 'antique', to find out that it's a reproduction and worthless. Ha! -----Original Message----- From: Sharon Henderson To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Tuesday, July 20, 1999 3:12 PM Subject: FUNNY: You Have GOT To See This! >As Dave Z. said, "See? Canadians DO have a sense of humor!!" > >This fellow on eBay is selling some small, rather mundane piece of >militaria, I think from the Off-Topic War. But this is WAY too good >to pass up. It's MUCH funnier than expensive Revell bids or someone >selling sprue pieces. No matter what you model in what scale, take >a look at this: > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=134415669 > >Absolutely amazing.... ;-) > >Sharon > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 20:33:06 -0400 From: bucky@ptdprolog.net To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Hmmm....So I Go From Greetings To A Walking Corpse? Message-ID: <37951542.3CCAA65A@ptdprolog.net> WALTER H. APPEL wrote: Also a question, are there any decals out there for the Kosciuszkosquadron insignia? Another one of my hobbies is Americans who served for foreign countries and their air services. Walt I also like doing the Kosciuszko squadron. The best bet for these are the different 1/72 kits put out by HitKit...mostly Albatros and Ansaldo Ballila kits. The kits vary in their quality, but you get some nice K-Squadron schemes. There are usually some sales in Squadron, etc. on these kits. There might also be some on one of the Blue Rider sheets. HTH Mike Muth ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 10:49:08 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: The little boy who got old Message-ID: <65C968E11318D311B0BD0060B06865CD041213@mimhexch.mim.com.au> Dave, > A-HA! Well, then maybe your attitude towards my addiction to those > unmentionable German A/C of WW2 will soften a bit You have me wrong. I don't have anything whatever against people having an addiction to Luftwaffe, VVS, luberjacks in frilly tutus or whatever. But, this being the WW1 modelling list, I feel free to make jokes at their expense. > when I inform you that I > am a member of the radical underground that basically flicks > boogers at the 'RLM Police' You are too new to have learned that I am the Founding Member, Grande Poohbah, and President of the WW1 List Colour Police Hunting and Taxidermy Society, so I presume you are unaware of my attitudes to Colour Nazis. In summary: There is nothing wrong with researching colours and trying as hard as possible to match model with reality as long as it is accepted that there are few absolutes. WW1 colours are, despite the best efforts of many far better qualified than us, still a cesspool of conflicting information, deteriorating primary sources and fake relics. Mostly we rely on best estimates, and not standards, so any one personal interpretation falling within the realms of possibility is as good as any other. Lots and lots of profiles out there are little better than guesses by the artist. The better artists admit this. This being so, however you finish a model, if you enjoyed making it and like the result, it's "right" > I have been following the discussion of Voss' Albatros with great > inteerest. I'm lining up my Albatros kits and was trying to > figure out what colors of fabric to depict on the OAW and MvR's planes. Dare I say, make one of each? If I could build more than 1 model every 3.5 years I'd do so myself. > Me, I say sod it. Dicta Dave. Shane ************************************************************** The information contained in this E-Mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this E-Mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this E_Mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted E-Mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Help Desk. E-Mail: helpdesk@mim.com.au or phone: Australia 07 3833 8042. ************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 20:11:58 -0500 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: The little boy who got old Message-ID: <000e01bed316$0bdc97e0$f182aec7@dora9sprynet.com> Shane, >You have me wrong. I don't have anything whatever against people having an >addiction to Luftwaffe, VVS, luberjacks in frilly tutus or whatever. But, >this being the WW1 modelling list, I feel free to make jokes at their >expense. Let the jokes fly. Me, I laugh at them too. >You are too new to have learned that I am the Founding Member, Grande >Poohbah, and President of the WW1 List Colour Police Hunting and Taxidermy >Society, so I presume you are unaware of my attitudes to Colour Nazis. In >summary: > >There is nothing wrong with researching colours and trying as hard as >possible to match model with reality as long as it is accepted that there >are few absolutes. > >WW1 colours are, despite the best efforts of many far better qualified than >us, still a cesspool of conflicting information, deteriorating primary >sources and fake relics. Mostly we rely on best estimates, and not >standards, so any one personal interpretation falling within the realms of >possibility is as good as any other. > >Lots and lots of profiles out there are little better than guesses by the >artist. The better artists admit this. This being so, however you finish a >model, if you enjoyed making it and like the result, it's "right" Same deal when dealing with RLM sticklers. I hate dealing with people who are stupid enough to believe that there was some immutable color standard that 'One Ball Schicklegruber' and the 'Junkie Drag Queen who used to be a Fighter Pilot' chiseled into granite for all the world to see and follow. I realize that it is slightly different when dealing with WWI subjects as you said, dealing with forgeries, fading memories, and time-worn artifacts, but it is also similar. The most fun lately is proving the use of housepaint on Luftwaffe fighters. Has the RLM Nazis foaming at the mouth! On a similar note, I read that the blockade of Germany during WWI reduced the supplies of red pigment used in paints, so they all had to be thinned down and used sparingly. Thus the washed appearance on JG1's aircraft (most notably MvR's Albatroses). Little facts like that interest me. >> I have been following the discussion of Voss' Albatros with great >> inteerest. I'm lining up my Albatros kits and was trying to >> figure out what colors of fabric to depict on the OAW and MvR's planes. > >Dare I say, make one of each? If I could build more than 1 model every 3.5 >years I'd do so myself. > You mean an OAW and MvR, or two of each with the different camo jobs? > >> Me, I say sod it. > >Dicta Dave. > >Shane Amen. >************************************************************** >The information contained in this E-Mail is confidential >and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). >If you receive this E-Mail in error, any use, distribution >or copying of this E_Mail is not permitted. You are >requested to forward unwanted E-Mail and address any problems >to the MIM Holdings Limited Help Desk. >E-Mail: helpdesk@mim.com.au or phone: Australia 07 3833 8042. >************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 21:49:15 EDT From: Zulis@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: FUNNY: You Have GOT To See This! Message-ID: <156e3cb2.24c6811b@aol.com> Dave B wrote: << P.S., for those of you outside the U.S., the 'Antiques Roadshow' is a public T.V. show where people bring stuff in and have it appraised. Sometimes it's interesting - one woman brought in an early painting done by Frank Zappa. My favorite times are when somebody brings in some 'antique', to find out that it's a reproduction and worthless. Ha! >> The show is really quite good - but before one of our members from the UK flips out, I should mention that this show has run in Britain for many years before it was even heard of over here, then in Canada we saw it for awhile on public television, and now there are at least two US versions. This is actually their baby. Dave Z ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 22:07:56 -0400 (EDT) From: mkendix To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: RE: The little boy who got old Message-ID: On Tue, 20 Jul 1999, Shane Weier wrote: > Michael, > > >I build other stuff too but only when I run out of > > greeny-brown and cream paint. > > Would that be GreenyBrown.10 ? Not to be confused with > BrownyBrownKindaOrange.12 ? Shane: I see you're feeling slightly better. Answer is yes. I'd forgotten about PC.12, which was the reason I did an SE5a but then I did it in PC.10. I had bought some Floquil Box Car Red but now I've gone to water-based acrylics, I'll have to mix my own. I could start that thread again about which RFC/RAF WWI aeroplanes were to be found in PC.12. Michael mkendix@worthen.ihcrp.georgetown.edu ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 12:23:17 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: FUNNY: You Have GOT To See This! Message-ID: <65C968E11318D311B0BD0060B06865CD041214@mimhexch.mim.com.au> Dave, orthless. Ha! >> > > The show is really quite good - but before one of our members > from the UK > flips out, I should mention that this show has run in Britain > for many years > before it was even heard of over here, Ditto here, though the name is different. The original Brit show was aired here at least 20 years ago, and an Aussie spin off is still in production after who knows how long. Like the others, it's fun to see the surprises. Wouldn't you *love* to show their experts a "piece of MvR's triplane" and see how well they knew them onions? Shane ************************************************************** The information contained in this E-Mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this E-Mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this E_Mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted E-Mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Help Desk. E-Mail: helpdesk@mim.com.au or phone: Australia 07 3833 8042. ************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 21:39:05 -0500 From: "Lee J Mensinger" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu, "Lee Mensinger" Subject: Re: Changing wings - was: Voss Albatross Message-ID: <379532C9.D63571AA@wireweb.net> Thank you Tom. Really appreciate the assist. I saw the photo and read the article.so many years ago that it is dim. Maybe it was in the American Aviation Historical Society Journal but it was published. glad to have the correction about the wing being outboard of the engine. At 74 the memory is the second thing to go. Glad to have someone to help keep me honest. The Photo is I recall was taken from directly above the DC 2 1/2 and the length differential was very obvious. I wish I had been at Chino, us old guys may have had more in common. Lee Albatrosdv@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 99-07-20 16:54:02 EDT, you write: > > << > For a more modern event that has been photograped. > OT Warning! ! ! There was, in South China near Chungking a very large > Japanese > raid on an airfield. It destroyed many aircraft on the ground. Among those > damaged was one wing of a DC 3 and the raid destroyed all except the same > wing > on a DC 2. The wing was, markedly shorter and had installed a much smaller > engine than the DC 3 used. > > They took off the damaged wing on the DC 3 and replaced it with that > remaining > from the DC 2 and, then flew the aircraft to a safe haven where it was > repaired correctly and returned to service. Not only was the plane saved but so > was a > number of personell that would otherwise been left to the tender mercies of > the Japanese when they occupied the base, and surrounding area, a short number > of > hours later. > > If anyone wants to model this machine I do believe it was the right > (starboard) wing that was short. There are photos of the DC 2 1/2 in flight and > they > have been published. If you have never seen the photo, I am sorry because, it > proves many points all at one time. Unfortunately I can no longer recall the > location of the picture but it is out there, and it was labelled DC 2 1/2. >> > > It was the wing panel outboard of the engine. Had the same chord at joint as > the DC-3. Erik Shilling was the CNAC pilot (he told this story at Chino two > weeks ago). > > Tom Cleaver ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 22:28:57 -0400 (EDT) From: mkendix To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Ebay. What's everyone laughing at? Message-ID: On Tue, 20 Jul 1999, Shane Weier wrote: > luberjacks [sic] in frilly tutus How wude! (says Ja-Ja Gabor). Bit of a Freudian slip there:) Can I get a kit of this? BTW, I don't have access to ebay, so what is this item that Sharon Henderson spotted and has everyone in fits? Michael mkendix@worthen.ihcrp.georgetown.edu ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 21:41:04 -0500 From: Matthew E Bittner To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: James Gray's models Message-ID: <19990720.214105.-10099.0.mbittner@juno.com> Just noticed Al added a page of James' models. Excellent job, James! And to think there's something smaller than 1/72nd! :-) Excellent French birds. Matt Bittner http://www.geocities.com/~ipmsfortcrook http://www.discoveromaha.com/community/groups/plasticmodelers/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 12:56:34 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Ebay. What's everyone laughing at? Message-ID: <65C968E11318D311B0BD0060B06865CD041215@mimhexch.mim.com.au> Michael, > > luberjacks [sic] in frilly tutus > > How wude! (says Ja-Ja Gabor). > > Bit of a Freudian slip there:) Can I get a kit of this? Haha. In my figure modelling days I made a few vignettes along this line - not lumberjacks in tutus, just imaginary silly situations. Not well though, I don't have Robert Karrs talent for figures. > > BTW, I don't have access to ebay, so what is this item that Sharon > Henderson spotted and has everyone in fits? It's mildly humourous, a fake "Order" for sale, I'll cut and paste it and send what I can to you for your entertainment. Follows next Shane ************************************************************** The information contained in this E-Mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this E-Mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this E_Mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted E-Mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Help Desk. E-Mail: helpdesk@mim.com.au or phone: Australia 07 3833 8042. ************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 22:14:00 -0400 (EDT) From: Sharon Henderson To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: FUNNY: You Have GOT To See This! Message-ID: :-) Religious fogey? ME? Nah. :-) I even thought of the same song about Groefaz being minus one bollock.... :-) And I have NEVER snarfed wine in church. YET. :-) I think one has to have a sense of humor. It keeps us from offing our kitties when they create mayhem in the workshop. ;-) BTW -- thanks for the info about Eduard and Dragon models. I think when the Nieuport is done, I shall go get the Eduard Albatros. Sharon On Tue, 20 Jul 1999 Albatrosdv@aol.com wrote: > I must say, if Rev. Sharon is laughing at this, she is definitely *not* a > "religious fogey," (thank God!) > > Tom C > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 22:10:25 -0500 From: "K. Hagerup" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Toko Nieuport 16 Message-ID: <37953A21.77A4@prodigy.net> The Toko Nieuport 16 arrived on my doorstep today. As expected, it shares all of the parts with the Nieuport 11, but adds an extension to one sprue with the following: A pair of skis with mountings A headrest A slightly different Moreau overwing gun mount A Colt-Browning MG and magazine Decals are included for four aircraft: Nieuport 16c of Emperor's Flying Guard, Dec 16. O/A CDL, Russian roundels in 14 positions. Skis and Colt-Browning. Albert Ball's A134 (ex-995) What looks to be Henri Reservat's N959. The photo on page 22 of Nieuport Special Vol 1 shows this aircraft with a semi-circle gun mount and seems to indicate a two color camouflage rather than the dark green uppersurfaces Toko recommends. Johnson's N131 (The same markings as in the Nieuport 11 kit) I liked building Toko's Nie 11, and this kit should be very similar. Ken ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 23:02:54 -0500 From: "WALTER H. APPEL" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: The Little boy who got old Message-ID: <3795466E.AD7@erols.com> Hey guys!! As a newcomer to the group, and probably one who is sticking his nose in a lot more than he should, I would just like to make the following observation. There is tons of room in any hobby for anybody. I myself, will welcome the comments, sometimes confused for trashing, by the purists. I used to be into Civil War Re-enacting. Believe me, after dealing with 'that' bunch for a couple of years I can take the worst comments from the ghost of Glenn Curtis's mother. Out of all the organizations that I have come across you all have been the most tolerant with each other that I have ever seen. I don't think you realize how rare that is. However, on the other hand, be careful of how you comment. Good natured ribbing can sometimes set someone off if it is taken the wrong way. I particularly like the term IMHO. As for myself, I also built the Guillows Thomas Morse many years ago. I remember being so excited about building and flying it. I studied the plans, put it together covered it, doped it, took it to the local school yard, wound the rubber band with an egg-beater, was all set. I released it and watched it turn itself into toothpicks about a foot and a half away from me, just like the Nieuport 28 did, just like the Rumpler did. I should have built the Flying Aces Moth. But I did have fun. By the way, for anyone who is interested, I have decided to do both the Testors and the Eduard Nieuports out of the box for the first project. Not necessarily together but I do want to see the difference in the two kits. I also have to say, in the little boy growing old vein, that picking up the kit that was probably the first one I ever built also was quite an experience. I do remember my father bringing it home to me with a tube of glue, I think he got it at the local Safeway. I was six or seven. The fact that the Aurora kits are still out there also is very important to me, after all, from the past we make the future better, as long as we have the past to look at once in a while. Ooo... That was sickening wasn't it? Hey!! Where did this soap box come from? Sorry guys. Walt ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 22:22:30 -0500 From: "K. Hagerup" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Nieuport 16 Addendum Message-ID: <37953CF6.7444@prodigy.net> Forgot to mention that Toko used the same color of blue for all of the roundels. This brings up a question. The French blue is often portrayed a a fairly weak blue-gray, much like WWII USN Intermediate Blue. Why would the French use a color so unlike the blue in the Tricolor? Or, is this a case where the blue has just been portrayed lighter in the accepted references and is now treated as fact? Just wondering... Ken ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 22:38:51 -0500 From: Dave Watts To: Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?G=F6ring_Letter_Nr.5_on_BMW_?= Message-ID: <199907210345.WAA16963@ind.cioe.com> Hi all, Here is installment number five of Göring's love letters on the BMW motor. I left the letter composition a bit more in the German sentence structure to give it some of it's original flavor. I'm almost surprised that Göring would be writing a letter like this just days before the surrender. Best to all, Dave Watts Jagdgeschwader Frhr. v. Richthofen O.U.1.XI.1918. Front certification BMW IIIa engine. ................................................... By production and introduction of the BMW IIIa motor, the German fighter has become equal, or frequently, superior to the best enemy single-seaters. This high altitude motor is a great advancement over all past motors. Instead of diminishing in higher altitudes, its' efficiency, actually, only begins there. The working reliability is likewise satisfying. The motor worked in each application, excellently. It must be carried out, by all means, to supply the front as rapidly as possible, and to a large extent with BMW motors, in order to keep superiority in the control of the sky. Each fighter pilot requires urgently a BMW motor. gez. Göring Oblt. u. Geschwader (group) - Kommandeur. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 20:43:10 -0700 From: "Bill Neill" To: Subject: Re: Paint storage Message-ID: <009101bed32b$2cd89b00$3c38c0d8@bill> I'm moving house, and having just packed up all the modelling stuff, looking at lots of bottles of paint stacked here and there. Anyone got any neat ideas how I can organise the paint once I get to put the workshop back together? I tried before painting the top of each bottle with the contents, but that involves opening the bottle, and it's hard to distinguish color variations. Tried writing on the top, but everything seems to rub off easy. Bill Neill ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 23:05:52 -0500 From: "Lee J Mensinger" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Paint storage Message-ID: <37954720.9D11D027@wireweb.net> Small sticky labels, and best if you can get the removable kind, and small "Sanford Ultra fine point" marking pens. Made by Sharpie. Lee Bill Neill wrote: > I'm moving house, and having just packed up all the modelling stuff, looking > at lots of bottles of paint stacked here and there. > Anyone got any neat ideas how I can organise the paint once I get to put the > workshop back together? > I tried before painting the top of each bottle with the contents, but that > involves opening the bottle, and it's hard to distinguish color variations. > Tried writing on the top, but everything seems to rub off easy. > > Bill Neill ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 21:08:45 -0700 (PDT) From: bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: What is a Match Model? Message-ID: <199907210408.VAA14159@compass.OregonVOS.net> Barry wrote: > >Hi Brent >The Eldon Matchbook models were the first issue copies of the Revell kits. >They made the following: > >Spad 13, SE5a, Nie17, Fokker D-7, Alb D-3 Ya' missed the Sopwith Camel, Barry. -other generallly righteous observations snipped- Cheers and all, -- Bill Shatzer - bshatzer@orednet.org "You don't need a weather man to know which way the wind blows." -Bob Dylan- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 22:04:30 -0700 (PDT) From: bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: RE: The little boy who got old Message-ID: <199907210504.WAA26220@compass.OregonVOS.net> Shane wrote: >You will find that the list is full of people who know a great deal about >this era, and find that a terrific indication of just how expert they are is >the frequency of words and phrases like "it is believed", "probably", >"mostly", "as far as I know" (AFAIK). As a recent example, read Sandy and >Bill debating Voss' upper wing colours. Both have fairly strongly held >views, but both, inter alia, subtly express that they can NOT be *certain*. Heck, you should have observed the extended long-range sniping interrupted by occassional 8" howitzer barrages between Dan San Abbot and Alex Imrie following the publication of Imrie's "The Fokker Triplane" book. Compared to that, the discussion between Sandy and myself is water pistols at 50 paces! :-) I suppose the moral is that if two fellows as knowledgable and respected as Imrie and Abbot can disagree -that- violently, the TRUTH is not always that self-evident or even available. I am convinced that on most WW1 aviation questions, one (myself included) may express logical reasoning, informed speculation, reasonable probabilities, and even, occassionally, high likelihoods. Absolute certitude is, however, seldom in order. Do the research, find out as much as you can, examine the photos and then give it your best shot. At that point, you've probably as much chance as having it "right" as anyone. There are few absolute truths in this particular field of research. And the fellow who comes along and pronounces that he "knows" you have it wrong is likely either a liar or a fool. Cheers and all, -- Bill Shatzer - bshatzer@orednet.org "You don't need a weather man to know which way the wind blows." -Bob Dylan- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 00:01:37 -0500 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: Paint storage Message-ID: <005401bed337$e0585560$2b82aec7@dora9sprynet.com> Hey Bill, My suggestion is to either get a workshop organizer at your local K-mart (usually found in the hardware department), or go to your local hobby shop and ask if there are any racks for discontinued paints that you might have/buy. Also, if you paint the name of the paint colors on top of the bottles, overcoat them with future or epoxy (clear) if it's enamel, and clear enamel or epoxy if it's an acrylic paint. That way it won't come off. Dave -----Original Message----- From: Bill Neill To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Tuesday, July 20, 1999 10:46 PM Subject: Re: Paint storage >I'm moving house, and having just packed up all the modelling stuff, looking >at lots of bottles of paint stacked here and there. >Anyone got any neat ideas how I can organise the paint once I get to put the >workshop back together? >I tried before painting the top of each bottle with the contents, but that >involves opening the bottle, and it's hard to distinguish color variations. >Tried writing on the top, but everything seems to rub off easy. > >Bill Neill > ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 1720 **********************