WWI Digest 1718 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) RE: Heat by "Diego Fernetti" 2) Contributions by Allan Wright 3) Re: Anybody want a Cat? by "Mike" 4) Re: Anybody want a Cat? by "Paul Schwartzkopf" 5) Re: Anybody want a Cat? by "Mark L. Shannon" 6) Re: Des Moines...was New Images by "Lance Krieg" 7) Re: RE: Laminated Props by "Lance Krieg" 8) Re: New thread, WWI Pubs. by "Brad Gossen" 9) Re: Rules? was OOB models. by "Brad Gossen" 10) Re: New thread, WWI Pubs. by "DAVID BURKE" 11) Laminated Props by "DAVID BURKE" 12) The little boy who got old by "Landon, James D" 13) Black CA by "DAVID BURKE" 14) RE: Tommy pictures by "Landon, James D" 15) RE: Laminated Props by "Diego Fernetti" 16) Re: Changing wings - was: Voss Albatross by "Mark L. Shannon" 17) Re: RE: Laminated Props by "Lance Krieg" 18) Breaking with tradition by "Landon, James D" 19) RE: New thread, WWI Pubs. by "Landon, James D" 20) RE: New thread, WWI Pubs. by "Landon, James D" 21) Re: The little boy who got old by "DAVID BURKE" 22) RE: Laminated Props by "Landon, James D" 23) Re: The little boy who got old by mkendix 24) Woods for free WAS: Laminated Props by "Diego Fernetti" 25) Re: The little boy who got old by Albatrosdv@aol.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 07:14:02 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: Subject: RE: Heat Message-ID: <003101bed1cf$6d355600$4640a8c0@prens-001.ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> HA! D. -----Mensaje original----- De: Robert Woodbury Para: Multiple recipients of list Fecha: Lunes, 19 de Julio de 1999 10:20 p.m. Asunto: RE: Heat >Okay Diego, > >You win- I'm only at 32º South. > >Rob > >> Latitude, please? >> D. >> about 34º South, Rosario, Argentina >> > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 08:12:41 -0400 (EDT) From: Allan Wright To: wwi Subject: Contributions Message-ID: <199907201212.IAA24159@pease1.sr.unh.edu> WWI Modelers, I have to again thank all of you for your generous contributions. I will be going on vacation starting tomorrow for 1 1/2 weeks. Please hold any submissions until I get back please. I don't want my personal mailbox to fill and stop the list from working. Also please play nice while I'm gone. For anyone going to Historicon in Lancaster, PA this weekend, hope to see you there. -Allan =============================================================================== Allan Wright Jr. | You fell victim to one of the 'classic' blunders! University of New Hampshire+--------------------------------------------------- Research Computing Center | WWI Modeling mailing list: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Internet: aew@unh.edu | WWI Modeling WWW Page: http://pease1.sr.unh.edu =============================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 05:40:56 -0700 From: "Mike" To: Subject: Re: Anybody want a Cat? Message-ID: <003801bed2ad$1e0a01a0$ac8c3ace@default> Obviously an editorial comment by a feline modeller on the quality of the old HAWK mouldings. I didn't know this kit was that much of a "turd"..... ----- Original Message ----- From: WALTER H. APPEL To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Monday, July 19, 1999 8:32 PM Subject: Anybody want a Cat? > Yep, it was the Testors..... Thank God, the Eduard was twenty bucks. > > Another damn critic..... > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 07:49:27 -0500 From: "Paul Schwartzkopf" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Anybody want a Cat? Message-ID: Hey now--I have fond old memories of that kit. It was the first WW1 kit I built way back in 1961 when I was a mere 7 years old. Had a lot of fun, but I remember getting too much tube glue on the landing gear, and the struts never quite set up. So let's not bad mouth that old workhorse too much... ;-) Paul A. Schwartzkopf >>> "Mike" 07/20/1999 7:40:37 AM >>> Obviously an editorial comment by a feline modeller on the quality of the old HAWK mouldings. I didn't know this kit was that much of a "turd"..... ----- Original Message ----- From: WALTER H. APPEL To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Monday, July 19, 1999 8:32 PM Subject: Anybody want a Cat? > Yep, it was the Testors..... Thank God, the Eduard was twenty bucks. > > Another damn critic..... > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 08:00:37 -0500 From: "Mark L. Shannon" To: Subject: Re: Anybody want a Cat? Message-ID: <199907201257.HAA17485@dfw-ix4.ix.netcom.com> Since it was the Testors, the cat is merely showing a proper sense of accuracy and taste. Many would argue that the Testors Nieuport fuselage should be buried, the litter box treatment being just a little faux de mieux. I think it just needs more work. Cats are very discriminating and direct creatures. As a sig line I saw put it, "You ain't nobody till you've been ignored by a cat." .Mark. Walter H. Appel wrote: > Gotta go, I just saw one of my cats carrying what looks to be a Neiuport > fuselage towards the litter box. I hope it is the Testors and not the > Eduard..... > > Walt and >Yep, it was the Testors..... Thank God, the Eduard was twenty bucks. >Another damn critic..... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 08:24:45 -0500 From: "Lance Krieg" To: Subject: Re: Des Moines...was New Images Message-ID: Matt Bittner asks... "They just have two screwy clubs, that's all. (Lance, aren't you a member of the first screwy one? " Nope. I am a member of neither. Just a reclusive curmudgeon who emerges to chastise the two hobby shops for their inability to get Waldo, Hippo, Hi-Tech, and Flashback, and make them give me a discount. Matt Bittner http://www.geocities.com/~ipmsfortcrook http://www.discoveromaha.com/community/groups/plasticmodelers/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 08:37:54 -0500 From: "Lance Krieg" To: Subject: Re: RE: Laminated Props Message-ID: >>> Shane Weier writes: "I've never had this problem. What glue do you use - traditional white PVA type or one of the hard sandable types ? (mine is made by PIC)" I'm using white glue, mostly because I'm too lazy to head from the attic to the cellar for real wood glue. I like Allan's suggestion yesterday to use CA, which gives a good surface to carve or sand, as long as one doesn't let it sit too long. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 10:40:21 -0400 From: "Brad Gossen" To: Subject: Re: New thread, WWI Pubs. Message-ID: <199907201447.KAA13405@mail6.globalserve.net> Helicopter: 30,000 moving parts in very close formation. 'Tis true that Insignia has been doing a lot of off-topic modern stuff, Dave is quite correct. But it also covers all the obscure little banana republic airforce markings from obscure little wars in the twenties and thirties which for some strange reason I also find fascinating. If you want to see how the Estonian police decorated their Freidrichstafen's circa 1920 then Insignia is for you. I usually skip the stuff about Mil helicopters (see above) in Rwanda. Insignia is published by Blue Rider Models and the articles seem to reflect the content of their decal catalogue hence the free decals included in every issue. Their articles are supported by excellent photo's and numerous profiles. They also have a web site which usually includes colour profiles at: http://www.squadron.com/insignia/ Brad ---------- > From: Ernest Thomas > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: New thread, WWI Pubs. > Date: Tuesday, July 20, 1999 1:05 AM > > Zulis@aol.com wrote: > > Neat little feature, though - each > > issue contains a small decal sheet about one of the aircraft/helicopters > > covered in that issue. > > That IS neat. Too bad they don't do much OT stuff. > Btw, what's a 'helicopter'? > E. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 11:25:38 -0400 From: "Brad Gossen" To: Subject: Re: Rules? was OOB models. Message-ID: <199907201532.LAA16225@mail6.globalserve.net> Hey, it sounds better than P.M.S.! Sorry just catching up on past messages and couldn't resist. ---------- > From: Al Superczynski > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: Rules? was OOB models. > Date: Saturday, July 17, 1999 3:49 PM > > On Sat, 17 Jul 1999 15:26:36 -0400 (EDT), Len wrote: > > >.....when does it become I.M.S.? > > Ugh! That just doesn't have the right ring to it, now does it? ;-p > Besides, most entries are still mainly plastic kits/scratchbuilts > anyway..... > > Al > http://www.up-link.net/~modeleral > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 11:03:21 -0500 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: New thread, WWI Pubs. Message-ID: <005801bed2cc$85a69200$c030c0d1@dora9sprynet.com> >Zulis@aol.com wrote: >> Neat little feature, though - each >> issue contains a small decal sheet about one of the aircraft/helicopters >> covered in that issue. > >That IS neat. Too bad they don't do much OT stuff. >Btw, what's a 'helicopter'? >E. He's the guy who keeps the peace in Hades. DB ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 11:30:32 -0500 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Laminated Props Message-ID: <001c01bed2cd$387876a0$c030c0d1@dora9sprynet.com> Hey Guys, Seeing as how I've been frustrated in painting on laminations, please tell me again about the types of wood veneer that you use. Where do you normally find it? Dave ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 10:12:33 -0600 From: "Landon, James D" To: "'WWI modelers list'" Subject: The little boy who got old Message-ID: <98B98E951BA0D1119A590000F8045A47030A3039@emss02m05.ems.lmco.com> Hi Ern, I continue to really enjoy your postings. <<...I'll miss the thrill of finding some goody in my mail box every other month or so. :) ...(still suffering from that 'waiting for the toy ordered from the back of the cereal box' syndrome.)>> That's me!! I am nothing more than a little boy who got old. When I've ordered something, I gleefully volunteer to go to the corner and check the mailbox. When there's a magazine or package in there for me, my grin can't be restrained. <> That's me too!! Not "FSM" (whatever the h__ that is) but the concept that I would be perfectly happy with any book or magazine or model wwi bipe, as long as nobody from The List told me it had errors. When I bought my Guillows balsa and tissue Thomas Morse S4C Scout last Christmas, with a gift certificate from my wife, I just grabbed the *ONLY* balsa and tissue kit they had in the store that had two wings. I couldn't even hardly spell biplane, but I thought "those old airplanes with two wings" were real cool looking. I knew almost nothing about WWI (hated history in school). When someone on The List later informed me that the skeleton was not how the real fuselage was constructed, and the wing cross section isn't anywhere near accurate, etc. I was disappointed, because it said "Scale Model" on the box. But I wasn't going to throw it away and start over. Ignorance was bliss. Now I may never be able to build another model airplane "out of the box" without first checking all the dimensions against the drawings and spending a year researching the plane. I haven't checked the Tommy dimensions against any drawings because, after all the time I have invested in it, I don't want to know how far off it is. My family and friends won't know the difference. And if I do end up loaning it to the local air and space museum, the public won't know, and probably nobody on the museum staff will know. Jim, waxing philosophical for a moment > ---------- > From: Ernest Thomas > Reply To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu > Sent: Monday, July 19, 1999 10:57 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: New thread, WWI Pubs. > > Charles and Linda Duckworth wrote: > > > > First of all I've learned more from our WWI FAQ (ie., modeling tips for > WWI > > aircraft) then 'all' the modeling magazines and books put together in my > 35+ > > years of modeling OT stuff. > > But if I confine myself to the list, I'll miss the thrill of finding > some goody in my mail box every other month or so. :) Because FSM just > hasn't done it for me lately. > (still suffering from that 'waiting for the toy ordered from the back of > the cereal box' syndrome.) > :) > > > Plus several of the WWI modeling articles in > > the FSM weren't all that good to begin with. > > They were before I found you guys. :) > E. > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 11:33:20 -0500 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Black CA Message-ID: <004e01bed2ce$6d948b20$c030c0d1@dora9sprynet.com> Hey Guys, Have any of you seen or used the new black CA? Apparently it has neoprene, or some other rubber in it to increase its flexibility and sheer strength. Cures in about 25-45 seconds. It's being black allows for touch-up work in certain areas without having to worry about painting it. What'll they think of next? Dave ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 10:30:26 -0600 From: "Landon, James D" To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Tommy pictures Message-ID: <98B98E951BA0D1119A590000F8045A47030A303A@emss02m05.ems.lmco.com> Diego, <> Nothing is "so known" to me. Do you have the addresses handy for those websites? I could search, but when I do that I end spending an hour looking at other stuff that I stumble onto. Jim > ---------- > From: Diego Fernetti > Reply To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu > Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 1999 4:03 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: RE: Tommy pictures > > Jim > I have the picture of the full plane, but since these aircraft were so > known > and better pictures are available (go to the Intrepid Home Page and the > Smithsonian A&S Mus. Home page) I thought that from the modeler > perspective, > these deteails could be valuable. OK, I know, even in 1/12 the DVa drain > holes would be only little dots, but I it was interesting for me that a > plane would need so many holes in it to avoid floodings. Idflieg should > have > advised to their pilots to go to the WC before long flights. > The catastrophes always have something to teach. And you managed it fine. > Someday I'll tell you about those I caused on my models and how I wasted > many kits. > D. > -----Mensaje original----- > De: Landon, James D > Para: Multiple recipients of list > Fecha: Lunes, 19 de Julio de 1999 03:37 p.m. > Asunto: RE: Tommy pictures > > > >Thanks Diego my friend. You beat me by a few minutes, I was going to > write > >and tell you that I really appreciate the photos you just posted, even if > >the place was poorly lighted. Beginners like me really crave any photo > of > >any WWI plane (or piece of a plane). So much to learn, so little time. > > > >I hope I wasn't out of line in posting my stupid catastrophe pictures and > my > >unfinished model photos. The tradition here seems to be to only post > final > >photos of a completed model. > > > >Jim Landon > > > >> ---------- > >> From: Diego Fernetti > >> Reply To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu > >> Sent: Monday, July 19, 1999 10:03 AM > >> To: Multiple recipients of list > >> Subject: Tommy pictures > >> > >> Wow, Jim! Awesome! > >> D. > >> > > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 13:52:23 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: Subject: RE: Laminated Props Message-ID: <002101bed207$13782ec0$4640a8c0@prens-001.ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> David I usually get some scraps of wood in a carpenter's workshop. You don't need a lot, and they are glad to give you their garbage. D. -----Mensaje original----- De: DAVID BURKE Para: Multiple recipients of list Fecha: Martes, 20 de Julio de 1999 01:48 p.m. Asunto: Laminated Props >Hey Guys, > > Seeing as how I've been frustrated in painting on laminations, please >tell me again about the types of wood veneer that you use. Where do you >normally find it? > > Dave > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 12:24:12 -0500 From: "Mark L. Shannon" To: Subject: Re: Changing wings - was: Voss Albatross Message-ID: <199907201721.MAA02491@dfw-ix14.ix.netcom.com> Things are never simple, then. Would the change mean that the upper wing was lilac/green and the lower wing 3-color? Also, which wing bore the chordwise stripes just inboard of the crosses -- old, new, both? Before this is done, the forbidden question of his F.I 103/17 cowling could become trivial! .Mark. ---------- > From: Sandy Adam > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Changing wings - was: Voss Albatross > Date: Tuesday, July 20, 1999 4:14 AM > Obviously Voss liked his personally marked D.III and I'm sure would rather > have the mechs bang on another set of wings than repaint a different machine > which he would then have to tune. Like McCudden, Voss was > machanically-minded - he loved his motorbike etc, I'm sure he had his > aircraft set up exactly to his liking. Either Timms would do it - or, we've > seen the pictures - he would even paint it himself. > > No, I think the weight of evidence is in Dave Roberts' favour. Favouite > plane, damaged wings with central radiator, new wings with offset (to my > eyes, borne out by pictures). That's what I'll go with. YMMV. > Sandy > > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 12:32:14 -0500 From: "Lance Krieg" To: Subject: Re: RE: Laminated Props Message-ID: Home improvement centers and lumber yards in North America sell paper-backed veneers for edge-banding countertops and furniture. I bought 3/4 inch-wide rolls of birch (light colored) and walnut (dark colored) many years ago for US$5.00 or so. Seven or eight laminations, alternating each color of veneer, will give you the thickness of an average prop, and as you carve the proper shape, the contrasting laminations are revealed. For some props, where only a subtle variation is desired, you can stain the birch to almost match the walnut. The pictures of my Eindekker and FE2b show the different results, yet both props were glued up in the exact same way of walnut-birch-walnut, etc. Sounds like Diego uses solid chips or shavings to do the same thing for no cost.... Lance >>> "Diego Fernetti" 07/20 11:52 AM >>> David I usually get some scraps of wood in a carpenter's workshop. You don't need a lot, and they are glad to give you their garbage. D. wood veneer that you use. Where do you >normally find it? > > Dave > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 12:11:54 -0600 From: "Landon, James D" To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: Breaking with tradition Message-ID: <98B98E951BA0D1119A590000F8045A47030A303C@emss02m05.ems.lmco.com> I had said: "I hope I wasn't out of line in posting my stupid catastrophe pictures and my unfinished model photos. The tradition here seems to be to only post final photos of a completed model." Shane replied: "In my case that's more to do with being too disorganised to photograph as I go along.>> I'm not all that organized myself, but I sometimes have an obsession with recording things. When they were building our new house a couple years ago I went there every lunch hour and took pictures of every detail of construction. Three albums. > Shane continued: "However, I *have* been photographing the Albatros W.4, > LVG C.VI and Caproni bits as I go along, so may send Al some stuff at an > appropriate time." > Cool. Can't wait. Jim > ---------- > From: Shane Weier > Reply To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu > Sent: Monday, July 19, 1999 4:16 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: RE: Tommy pictures > > Jim, > > > I hope I wasn't out of line in posting my stupid catastrophe > > pictures and my > > unfinished model photos. The tradition here seems to be to > > only post final > > photos of a completed model. > > In my case that's more to do with being too disorganised to photograph as > I > go along. However, I *have* been photographing the Albatros W.4, LVG C.VI > and Caproni bits as I go along, so may send Al some stuff at an > appropriate > time. > > Shane > ************************************************************** > The information contained in this E-Mail is confidential > and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). > If you receive this E-Mail in error, any use, distribution > or copying of this E_Mail is not permitted. You are > requested to forward unwanted E-Mail and address any problems > to the MIM Holdings Limited Help Desk. > E-Mail: helpdesk@mim.com.au or phone: Australia 07 3833 8042. > ************************************************************** > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 12:31:31 -0600 From: "Landon, James D" To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: New thread, WWI Pubs. Message-ID: <98B98E951BA0D1119A590000F8045A47030A303E@emss02m05.ems.lmco.com> <> Thanks for the website - neat site, bookmarked it to go back after work. Jim > ---------- > From: Brad Gossen > Reply To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu > Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 1999 8:42 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: New thread, WWI Pubs. > > > Helicopter: 30,000 moving parts in very close formation. > > 'Tis true that Insignia has been doing a lot of off-topic modern stuff, > Dave is quite correct. But it also covers all the obscure little banana > republic airforce markings from obscure little wars in the twenties and > thirties which for some strange reason I also find fascinating. If you > want > to see how the Estonian police decorated their Freidrichstafen's circa > 1920 > then Insignia is for you. I usually skip the stuff about Mil helicopters > (see above) in Rwanda. Insignia is published by Blue Rider Models and the > articles seem to reflect the content of their decal catalogue hence the > free decals included in every issue. Their articles are supported by > excellent photo's and numerous profiles. They also have a web site which > usually includes colour profiles at: http://www.squadron.com/insignia/ > > Brad > ---------- > > From: Ernest Thomas > > To: Multiple recipients of list > > Subject: Re: New thread, WWI Pubs. > > Date: Tuesday, July 20, 1999 1:05 AM > > > > Zulis@aol.com wrote: > > > Neat little feature, though - each > > > issue contains a small decal sheet about one of the > aircraft/helicopters > > > covered in that issue. > > > > That IS neat. Too bad they don't do much OT stuff. > > Btw, what's a 'helicopter'? > > E. > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 12:33:43 -0600 From: "Landon, James D" To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: New thread, WWI Pubs. Message-ID: <98B98E951BA0D1119A590000F8045A47030A303F@emss02m05.ems.lmco.com> Me too. What Ern said. Jim > ---------- > From: Ernest Thomas > Reply To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu > Sent: Monday, July 19, 1999 8:33 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: New thread, WWI Pubs. > > Hi All, > > Thanks for all the comments on the WWI Pubs. (sorry I didn't mean the > drinking kind, Dave) While it soounds like Windsock is the overall > winner as far as public opinion goes, I'm pretty interested in having a > look at WWI Aero as well. While I don't need to know how many threads > are on a bolt, it does sound like more of what I'm looking for. > Maybe a one or two of y'all could do me a little favor. Any chance some > one could send me a sample copy of each to compare? I will return them, > of course. If anyone wants to do this for me, contact me off list and > I'll give my address. Thanks again. > E. > Btw, how many issues per year for WWIA? And Windsock? And how do the > DF's tye into Windsock? Thanks. > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 13:33:57 -0500 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: The little boy who got old Message-ID: <001f01bed2de$8c7c94a0$ea01c0d1@dora9sprynet.com> Hi Jim, > When I've >ordered something, I gleefully volunteer to go to the corner and check the >mailbox. When there's a magazine or package in there for me, my grin can't >be restrained. > Ditto here > >Not "FSM" (whatever the h__ that is) Fine Scale Modeler - a source for the occasional tip, but overall, I am finding it less and less useful. However, to be fair, I don't know whether that is because the magazine has been going downhill or because my skills and interests are going beyond its scope. > but the concept that I >would be perfectly happy with any book or magazine or model wwi bipe, as >long as nobody from The List told me it had errors. As I remind you fellow list members that I am a WW2 modeler, allow me to say that my usual respose to questions of complete accuracy is that I wasn't there, so how the f*** should I know? Bear in mind that no one on this list was there either, so accept criticism with a grain of salt. Unless it comes from factory blueprints used in actual construction from the individual factory that the airframe was built in, I hold the info as possibly in error. That goes for every period that I model (boy, I'm gonna get some flak for this one). > >When I bought my Guillows balsa and tissue Thomas Morse S4C Scout last >Christmas, with a gift certificate from my wife, I just grabbed the *ONLY* >balsa and tissue kit they had in the store that had two wings. I couldn't >even hardly spell biplane, but I thought "those old airplanes with two >wings" were real cool looking. I knew almost nothing about WWI (hated >history in school). > >When someone on The List later informed me that the skeleton was not how the >real fuselage was constructed, and the wing cross section isn't anywhere >near accurate, etc. I was disappointed, because it said "Scale Model" on the >box. But I wasn't going to throw it away and start over. > >Ignorance was bliss. Now I may never be able to build another model >airplane "out of the box" without first checking all the dimensions against >the drawings and spending a year researching the plane. Ahh, to hell with that notion. If I research a plane, it's because I'm interested in it and it's place in aviation history - not just because I'm gonna model it >I haven't checked >the Tommy dimensions against any drawings because, after all the time I have >invested in it, I don't want to know how far off it is. My family and >friends won't know the difference. And if I do end up loaning it to the >local air and space museum, the public won't know, and probably nobody on >the museum staff will know. > >Jim, waxing philosophical for a moment > And when you're done with your philosophical, wax my car! Regards! Dave ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 12:41:44 -0600 From: "Landon, James D" To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Laminated Props Message-ID: <98B98E951BA0D1119A590000F8045A47030A3040@emss02m05.ems.lmco.com> <> For myself, I just used what I had on hand from other projects. I just buy hobby type wood in the local Hugh M. Woods or Builders Square or Home Depot or whatever. Small display inside the store, not out in the lumber yard. Hobby size (like 4" X 36") pieces of oak, poplar, etc. Birch plywood in various thicknesses (I used 1/8). Beware of light colored wood like birch, because white edges will appear if you sand after staining. For more on my prop, go to: http://www.freeyellow.com/members6/titanman/page40.html Jim > ---------- > From: DAVID BURKE > Reply To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu > Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 1999 10:35 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Laminated Props > > Hey Guys, > > Seeing as how I've been frustrated in painting on laminations, please > tell me again about the types of wood veneer that you use. Where do you > normally find it? > > Dave > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 14:52:38 -0400 (EDT) From: mkendix To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: The little boy who got old Message-ID: On Tue, 20 Jul 1999, DAVID BURKE wrote: David: > > > As I remind you fellow list members that I am a WW2 modeler, Then what're you doin' here :) You must have a passing interest in WWI; plus, I've seen your Albatros D.III with its plywood finish - doesn't look like WWII to me. > allow me to say > that my usual respose to questions of complete accuracy is that I wasn't > there, so how the f*** should I know? Bear in mind that no one on this list > was there either, so accept criticism with a grain of salt. Unless it comes > from factory blueprints used in actual construction from the individual > factory that the airframe was built in, I hold the info as possibly in > error. That goes for every period that I model (boy, I'm gonna get some > flak for this one). It's up to you, of course. Some folks get a lot of pleasure out of trying to guess the colours, precise dimensions and to maximize accuracy given the resources at their disposal. > If I research a plane, it's because I'm > interested in it and it's place in aviation history - not just because I'm > gonna model it > If I research a plane, it's because I'm trying not to make too big an idiot of myself when I build something since I know nothing about flight etc. I like building kits because I like the way they look and because they're RFC/RAF. I build other stuff too but only when I run out of greeny-brown and cream paint. Michael mkendix@worthen.ihcrp.georgetown.edu ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 16:00:40 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: Subject: Woods for free WAS: Laminated Props Message-ID: <001e01bed218$fed6f160$4640a8c0@prens-001.ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> -----Mensaje original----- De: Lance Krieg >Sounds like Diego uses solid chips or shavings to do the same thing for no cost.... > >Lance I haven't carved props yet. I use some pieces of scrap wood to do construction jigs, because they stronger than balsa and cost nothing at all. Anyway, you could pick as many shavings and discarded veneer as well in a busy carpenter's shop. In fact, you have to run out of the place before the carpenter gives you ALL the surplus wood bits and ends he has by there. They think that you're there to do cleaning for themselves. Be polite, it's a good deal to have a carpenter friend. From time to time, they have scraps very useful and they can save them for you. Thanks to you, list fellows, now I know which tree produced "hardwood", "softwood" "basswood" etc. and I know what I should ask at the shop. D. PS: when going to the carpenter's shop to look for wood scraps, don't forget to wear old clothes (gloves and thick shoes too, for better). A couple of years ago I went there after work wearing a dark suit and I still find dust in it. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 15:16:09 EDT From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: The little boy who got old Message-ID: <81795320.24c624f9@aol.com> In a message dated 99-07-20 14:41:52 EDT, you write: << I don't want to know how far off it is. My family and >friends won't know the difference. And if I do end up loaning it to the >local air and space museum, the public won't know, and probably nobody on >the museum staff will know. >> And the AMS-types here can't prove you "wrong" either, since new information keeps coming along to prove them "wrong." The fact of the matter is, if you had fun building it, if people you know like looking at it, and if most people think it is what it claims to be, you are a success. Either that, or you can be frozen in AMS and manage to crank out a model every other year because you have to be "absolutely certain" that the intake valve on the fourth cylinder is "correct." Those people do not have "fun" modeling and they do not make modeling fun for anyone else. (Well, maybe they have fun torturing themselves because they're masochists who don't have the chutzpah to join an S&M club - but they do nothing for anyone else.) The "One Foot Rule" is: "If it looks right from a distance of one foot, it is." Remember: HAVE FUN. Tom Cleaver ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 1718 **********************