WWI Digest 1710 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) RE: Opinions on Blue Max kits by Shane Weier 2) Re: Opinions on Blue Max kits by "DAVID BURKE" 3) Re: Opinions on Blue Max kits by Albatrosdv@aol.com 4) Re: Opinions on Blue Max kits by Albatrosdv@aol.com 5) Re: Opinions on Blue Max kits by "DAVID BURKE" 6) Re: Opinions on Blue Max kits by "DAVID BURKE" 7) Re: Opinions on Blue Max kits by "Bob Pearson" 8) Good Mail Week by Brent & Tina Theobald 9) Re: New Images by David & Carol Fletcher 10) Pictures of WWI-era aircraft radio receiver by Zulis@aol.com 11) Re: Opinions on Blue Max kits by Matthew E Bittner 12) Re: Good Mail Week by Matthew E Bittner 13) Re: My Trip to Hobby Maker by Matthew E Bittner 14) Turtleback (Was:Re: New Images) by "K. Hagerup" 15) Re: Good Mail Week by Albatrosdv@aol.com 16) Re: Opinions on Blue Max kits by Albatrosdv@aol.com 17) Re: Opinions on Blue Max kits by Ernest Thomas 18) Night of the living dead thread, was re; Hello by Ernest Thomas 19) Re: Opinions on Blue Max kits by Albatrosdv@aol.com 20) Re: Opinions on Blue Max kits by Ernest Thomas 21) =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_"Major"_not_Oblt._G=F6ring_G=F6=F6f_?= by Dave Watts 22) Re: Opinions on Blue Max kits by "DAVID BURKE" 23) Re: Opinions on Blue Max kits by "DAVID BURKE" 24) Re: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_"Major"_not_Oblt._G=F6ring_G=F6=F6f_?= by bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) 25) Re: Turtleback (Was:Re: New Images) by Suvoroff@aol.com 26) Re: Opinions on Blue Max kits by Matthew E Bittner 27) RE: My Trip to Hobby Maker by "Diego Fernetti" 28) RE: Grandt Line bolts by "Diego Fernetti" 29) =?iso-8859-1?Q?RE:_Re:_=22Major=22_not_Oblt._G=F6ring_G=F6=F6f_?= by "Diego Fernetti" 30) Re: Grandt Line bolts by "Charles and Linda Duckworth" 31) RE: Opinions on Blue Max kits by "John Glaser" 32) Re: Night of the living dead thread, was re; Hello by "cameron rile" 33) OOB Contests by "David Vosburgh" 34) Re: OOB Contests by "Paul Schwartzkopf" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 10:00:35 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Opinions on Blue Max kits Message-ID: <65C968E11318D311B0BD0060B06865CD0411DE@mimhexch.mim.com.au> Dave, > What do you think > of the Brisfit? An air pig that ugly needs to be represented > on my shelves! Oh ye of little taste. Shane ************************************************************** The information contained in this E-Mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this E-Mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this E_Mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted E-Mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Help Desk. E-Mail: helpdesk@mim.com.au or phone: Australia 07 3833 8042. ************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 19:04:23 -0500 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: Opinions on Blue Max kits Message-ID: <006201becf1e$c52298e0$11f410d1@dora9sprynet.com> Taste? Mine is impeccable - musta lost something in the translation to Australian. I think that the qualities that the Brisfit displays - big, flat in some places, round in others, riding above the lower wing, awkward-looking and full of business.... O.K., aesthetically speaking, it is no Albatros. It has a flat-faced radiator that looks to me like a pig's nose (I like pigs - at least bacon), and just a big sledgehammer appearance. It still needs to be represented on my shelf. So how's the Blue Max kit? Dave -----Original Message----- From: Shane Weier To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Thursday, July 15, 1999 7:03 PM Subject: RE: Opinions on Blue Max kits >Dave, > >> What do you think >> of the Brisfit? An air pig that ugly needs to be represented >> on my shelves! > >Oh ye of little taste. > >Shane >************************************************************** >The information contained in this E-Mail is confidential >and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). >If you receive this E-Mail in error, any use, distribution >or copying of this E_Mail is not permitted. You are >requested to forward unwanted E-Mail and address any problems >to the MIM Holdings Limited Help Desk. >E-Mail: helpdesk@mim.com.au or phone: Australia 07 3833 8042. >************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 20:13:01 EDT From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Opinions on Blue Max kits Message-ID: In a message dated 99-07-15 20:09:30 EDT, you write: << It still needs to be represented on my shelf. So how's the Blue Max kit? >> Dave: Get the Aeroclub Brisfit kit - mucho superior. You don't have to sand off half the wind surface detail to get rid of the mold "ripple" that have so far been found in the outer wing panels of every BM Brisfit kit I know of. Check my Bristol Fighter article - where I built both of them - in the May 1999 Internet Modeler. Tom Cleaver ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 20:09:04 EDT From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Opinions on Blue Max kits Message-ID: In a message dated 99-07-15 19:53:26 EDT, you write: << Hi Tom, It's a pity that the Pfalz D.XII is so fraught with problems. I visited ETh when I was in New Orleans last time and brought my Copper State kit and laid them both side by side. I have to agree that the white metal in the Blue Max kit was better than the Copper State kit, but hopefully the CS kit will be devoid of the fit problems that you are having. What do you think of the Brisfit? An air pig that ugly needs to be represented on my shelves! Along with a Phoenix or two. >> Ohhhhh Noooooo!!!!!! The worst possible kit of the Pfalz D.XII is the Copper State mishmash, which should be returned immediately if not sooner for store credit - if you can afford the financial loss, it should be stomped underfoot repeatedly. This horrid piece of inept production was originally based on the quite-good Tom's Modelworks vacuform kit. The wings are thicker than those of a Fokker D.VII. and have trailing edges 1/16" thick!! (and I am not talking scale) The rest of the kit goes downhill from there as regards fit, etc. If you are going to do CopperState models, do the new ones, which were not done from the Tom's kits, in other words, avoid the Halberstadt Cl.IV, the Pfalz D.III, Pfalz D.XII. These kits were and are so bad that they had a lot to do with Tom Harrison turning to making ship models, since his reputation as a creator of WW1 models was so thoroughly trashed. FWIW, once I did the "elongations" on the B-M D.XII struts, it went back to being the nice kit it had seemed to be before that problem was discovered. It's now assembled and sitting on the shelf awaiting my getting into a "stop procrastinating and rig 'em all!" mood. Tom Cleaver ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 19:22:46 -0500 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: Opinions on Blue Max kits Message-ID: <007001becf21$bf576a00$11f410d1@dora9sprynet.com> Man, There must be a little bit o' everything in IM! :) DB ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 19:25:42 -0500 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: Opinions on Blue Max kits Message-ID: <007101becf21$c0193360$11f410d1@dora9sprynet.com> >Ohhhhh Noooooo!!!!!! > >The worst possible kit of the Pfalz D.XII is the Copper State mishmash, which >should be returned immediately if not sooner for store credit - if you can >afford the financial loss, it should be stomped underfoot repeatedly. Thanks for passing water on my parade! DaveB ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 17:51:14 -0700 From: "Bob Pearson" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Opinions on Blue Max kits Message-ID: <199907160103.SAA19320@mail.rapidnet.net> > Man, > > There must be a little bit o' everything in IM! :) > > DB As part of my dottering old age I can say " Darn tootin" -- Regards, Bob Pearson Managing Editor / Internet Modeler http://www.internetmodeler.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 19:57:21 -0700 From: Brent & Tina Theobald To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Good Mail Week Message-ID: <378E9F90.BBA0A1AC@airmail.net> The mailman has been good to me this week. The Burgess Dunne came in the mail. Today I received my Vickers Vimy from TC Models. Speaking of air pigs, my Aero Club RE8 arrived today too. I will get around to the Brisfit soon. Then I will have a shelf full of ugly! Later! Brent ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 17:17:53 -0700 From: David & Carol Fletcher To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: New Images Message-ID: <378E7A31.579B@mars.ark.com> Landon, James D wrote: "While I'm on the subject of feeling stoopid, why is the "turtledeck" called that?" My understanding is that it came from boats, where a shaped wooden cover was deemed to look like a turtle's back (look at the early wooden motor boats sometime). When applied to aeroplanes, it was often called a "turtle back" as an alternative to "turtledeck" - on early aircraft (like the Tommy) it was removable to provide ready access to the bracing wires which required periodic adjustment. More modern aircraft are braced with steel tubes or plywood sheet, as in the case of my 1:1 scale aerodyne, and don't require such access, so the term is seldom used any more. Dave Fletcher ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 21:17:18 EDT From: Zulis@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Pictures of WWI-era aircraft radio receiver Message-ID: <27578a3c.24bfe21e@aol.com> More free pictures.... text: "World War I Western Electric Aircraft Radio Receiving Set; rare piece; 0.35-2 Mhz.,VT-1 tubes SCR 59-59A Receiver BC 12 US Army Signal Corps 1908-1917 patent Mint condition; original & unmodified; inside tubes & parts " http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=131963471 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 20:41:46 -0500 From: Matthew E Bittner To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Opinions on Blue Max kits Message-ID: <19990715.205158.-130441.3.mbittner@juno.com> On Thu, 15 Jul 1999 20:29:56 -0400 (EDT) "DAVID BURKE" writes: > There must be a little bit o' everything in IM! :) Including the Hustad Scale! ;-) Matt Bittner http://www.geocities.com/~ipmsfortcrook http://www.discoveromaha.com/community/groups/plasticmodelers/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 20:42:55 -0500 From: Matthew E Bittner To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Good Mail Week Message-ID: <19990715.205158.-130441.5.mbittner@juno.com> On Thu, 15 Jul 1999 21:00:55 -0400 (EDT) Brent & Tina Theobald writes: > The mailman has been good to me this week. The Burgess Dunne came in > the > mail. Today I received my Vickers Vimy from TC Models. Speaking of > air > pigs, my Aero Club RE8 arrived today too. I will get around to the > Brisfit soon. Then I will have a shelf full of ugly! Due to all that PC10? ;-) Matt Bittner http://www.geocities.com/~ipmsfortcrook http://www.discoveromaha.com/community/groups/plasticmodelers/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 20:35:51 -0500 From: Matthew E Bittner To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: My Trip to Hobby Maker Message-ID: <19990715.205158.-130441.1.mbittner@juno.com> On Thu, 15 Jul 1999 19:00:24 -0400 (EDT) Brent & Tina Theobald writes: > Not to say they didn't have any kits. They had the DML offerings, > Glencow stuff, a few Airfix RE8's (I kinda liked those. Any good?) > several of the Lindburg Jennys, the Revell Spad and an Aero Club > Fokker > Razor. If I were you, I would stick with the Eduard Fokker D.VIII/E.V. The Aeroclub is decent enough - more decent than Beechnut and Merlin combined - but you get a lot more for your money with the Eduard kit. (FWIW, the Sign kit is good as well. If you have a choice at the same price, stick with the Eduard.) Matt Bittner http://www.geocities.com/~ipmsfortcrook http://www.discoveromaha.com/community/groups/plasticmodelers/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 21:14:18 -0500 From: "K. Hagerup" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Turtleback (Was:Re: New Images) Message-ID: <378E957A.7431@prodigy.net> David & Carol Fletcher wrote: > When applied to aeroplanes, it was > often called a "turtle back" as an alternative to "turtledeck" - on > early aircraft (like the Tommy) it was removable to provide ready access > to the bracing wires which required periodic adjustment. More modern > aircraft are braced with steel tubes or plywood sheet, as in the case of > my 1:1 scale aerodyne, and don't require such access, so the term is > seldom used any more. The panel behind the aft cockpit of an EA-6B is still called the turtleback (but the Navy holds dear its traditions). Ken ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 23:30:33 EDT From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Good Mail Week Message-ID: <84f17cfd.24c00159@aol.com> In a message dated 99-07-15 21:02:16 EDT, you write: << Speaking of air pigs, my Aero Club RE8 arrived today too. >> You will have fun with that one - talk about s "flying birdcage"... :-) Tom C ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 23:27:19 EDT From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Opinions on Blue Max kits Message-ID: <5b8e2cdf.24c00097@aol.com> In a message dated 99-07-15 20:31:34 EDT, you write: << Thanks for passing water on my parade! DaveB >> At least you didn't get to find out the "hard way." Seriously, get him to let you return it for the Pfalz Triplane or the Dornier - great resin kits, fully state-of-the-art (see Candice Uhlir's article on the Pfalz in this month's IM) Tom C ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 23:10:05 -0500 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Opinions on Blue Max kits Message-ID: <378EB09D.5B9A@bellsouth.net> Albatrosdv@aol.com wrote: > FWIW, once I did the "elongations" on the B-M D.XII struts, it went back to > being the nice kit it had seemed to be before that problem was discovered. So the only problem is with the struts? 1/8 too short you say? Anything else you can add would be mucho helpful. E. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 23:35:25 -0500 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Night of the living dead thread, was re; Hello Message-ID: <378EB68D.4FF7@bellsouth.net> cameron rile wrote: > I bought the Testors N17 and about two weeks later bought the > Eduard as well. They together will be the first kits I will have done > since age 14. The Eduard isnt so much more expensive that it is > prohibitive, and for the extra 15$ it is much less stress, for one > I clunked to a halt with the Testors at the thought of chopping > the tips off the lower wings and adding new ones. I have shaped > new tips but am nervous with the knife as I have made everything > else on the Testors to the correct shape and dont want to (Ernests > Red) this part up. I will one day soon but for the moment I am > balking. Not too flog a dead thread, but Walter's question was, > what is a good checklist of things to > have for the first kit in a long time? I picked up an Eduard Albatros > D.V but I think I'm going to get something a little simpler for the > first project. So for all that, he only really asked for a checklist of things to have for a first kit. Only one listee actually answered Walter's main question. The rest of us started into what's a good first WWI kit. Walter is looking for something simple. I know Steve Perry did a great job fixing up the old Testors kit. BUt there's no law that says Walter has to do any of Steve's corrections or improvements. The Testors N.17 is a simpler kit if you don't get all wrapped up in the throes of AMS. And if you build it sotb, it still looks like a N.17 from across the room. And a nice little model it is. Soap box off. Back to work on my Edwerd 17. :) E. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 00:24:18 EDT From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Opinions on Blue Max kits Message-ID: In a message dated 99-07-16 00:11:39 EDT, you write: << > FWIW, once I did the "elongations" on the B-M D.XII struts, it went back to > being the nice kit it had seemed to be before that problem was discovered. So the only problem is with the struts? 1/8 too short you say? Anything else you can add would be mucho helpful. E. >> That would be it. If you know of any way to make both the struts and landing gear from thinner/finer material, with enough strength to do their job, this would be a good thing since they are still heavier looking than what you see in photos. Tom C ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 00:10:24 -0500 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Opinions on Blue Max kits Message-ID: <378EBEC0.28C5@bellsouth.net> Albatrosdv@aol.com wrote: > That would be it. If you know of any way to make both the struts and landing > gear from thinner/finer material, with enough strength to do their job, Sounds like a job for brass and torch. E. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 00:45:59 -0500 From: Dave Watts To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_"Major"_not_Oblt._G=F6ring_G=F6=F6f_?= Message-ID: <199907160551.AAA08363@ind.cioe.com> Hey Sandy, That's a good one! The spooky thing is, it might not be that far off from reality. What with his later cocaine, and God only knows', (and he's/she's not telling), what other addictions and perversions. It gets spookier by the minute the more I think of it. I've gotta stop thinking about it! Thanks, Dave Watts Sandy wrote: >These are really interesting letters Dave - thank you for sharing them with us. >You might be interested in a carbon-copy letter I found under a desk on my last visit to the BMW Museum in Munich two years ago. >Bayerische Motor Werke >1st April 1918 >Brown envelope 2316 >Lieber Hermann >Thanks for the copies of the letters you sent Kogenluft. Just what we asked for. I'm not sending Deutschmarks this time as I think you'll find them worthless soon. I enclose Yanki dollars instead. I also enclose the pictures of the tarts with the donkeys you requested, and the man with the perforated willy. >Can you slam Mercedes a bit more in the next letter as our R&D volk tell me we are likely to have lots of trouble from them in future - mostly in the automobile division. By the way, don't overdo it - you were right not to include the bit about looping around the moon - that seemed a bit much even for me. >Anyway, hope to see you soon in Muenchen - got some gorgeous new uniforms and dresses for you to try and Sven has some interesting new chemicals. Says you are invited back to Sweden with him after this is all over. >Love and Kisses >Ludwig II (Bavaria) >PS - we have an infantry corporal helping out recommending BMW ground vehicles - maybe you two should get to know each other - chap by the name of Hitler, with a funny stiff arm. Don't let him start one of his speeches though - God how he can rant! >XXX ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 00:51:59 -0500 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: Opinions on Blue Max kits Message-ID: <000801becf4f$533809a0$4e87aec7@dora9sprynet.com> I wish I could, but I got it thru a vendor at a show, so I'm stuck with it. Hell, I used to scratchbuild professionally - I'll make something airplane-looking out of it! DaveB However, I didn't say if it will look OT or not! -----Original Message----- From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Thursday, July 15, 1999 11:05 PM Subject: Re: Opinions on Blue Max kits >In a message dated 99-07-15 20:31:34 EDT, you write: > ><< > Thanks for passing water on my parade! > > DaveB >> > > >At least you didn't get to find out the "hard way." Seriously, get him to >let you return it for the Pfalz Triplane or the Dornier - great resin kits, >fully state-of-the-art (see Candice Uhlir's article on the Pfalz in this >month's IM) > >Tom C ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 00:53:47 -0500 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: Opinions on Blue Max kits Message-ID: <000f01becf4f$96c1c580$4e87aec7@dora9sprynet.com> Doesn't somebody make airfoil-shaped tubing? Small enough to where it's scale thickness, but strong enough to bear the weight so it can be used as landing-gear struts? Dave B -----Original Message----- From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Friday, July 16, 1999 12:00 AM Subject: Re: Opinions on Blue Max kits >In a message dated 99-07-16 00:11:39 EDT, you write: > ><< > FWIW, once I did the "elongations" on the B-M D.XII struts, it went back >to > > being the nice kit it had seemed to be before that problem was discovered. > > So the only problem is with the struts? 1/8 too short you say? Anything > else you can add would be mucho helpful. > E. >> > >That would be it. If you know of any way to make both the struts and landing >gear from thinner/finer material, with enough strength to do their job, this >would be a good thing since they are still heavier looking than what you see >in photos. > >Tom C ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 23:30:47 -0700 (PDT) From: bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_"Major"_not_Oblt._G=F6ring_G=F6=F6f_?= Message-ID: <199907160630.XAA15757@compass.OregonVOS.net> dave writes >Hey Sandy, > That's a good one! The spooky thing is, it might not be that far off >from reality. What with his later cocaine, and God only knows', (and >he's/she's not telling), what other addictions and perversions. It gets >spookier by the minute the more I think of it. I've gotta stop thinking >about it! Without attempting to defend "fat Hermann", it should be at least noted that his drug problems were more the result of medical malpractice than any intention on his part to "tune in, turn on, get high!" Goering ended up being a thoughly immoral (or amoral) fellow who roundly deserved the verdict of the Nuremburg tribunal. But the Nuremburg tribunal did not condemn him for either his drug addiction or his occassional use of facial rouge. Still, Goering's service in the 1914-1918 conflict seems to have been entirely honorable - or at least as honorable as one can be while earnestly attempting to "break things and kill people". A characteristic, incidently, shared by many others on both sides of the lines during that conflict. -soap box mode off- Cheers and all, -- Bill Shatzer - bshatzer@orednet.org "You don't need a weather man to know which way the wind blows." -Bob Dylan- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 04:05:19 EDT From: Suvoroff@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Turtleback (Was:Re: New Images) Message-ID: <974273e3.24c041bf@aol.com> "The panel behind the aft cockpit of an EA-6B is still called the turtleback (but the Navy holds dear its traditions)." The freeflooding superstructure on modern nuclear ballistic missile submarines ("boomers") is still called a turtleback too. Yours, James D. Gray ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 04:52:05 -0500 From: Matthew E Bittner To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Opinions on Blue Max kits Message-ID: <19990716.045609.-12017.0.mbittner@juno.com> On Fri, 16 Jul 1999 00:59:08 -0400 (EDT) Albatrosdv@aol.com writes: > That would be it. If you know of any way to make both the struts > and landing > gear from thinner/finer material, with enough strength to do their > job, this > would be a good thing since they are still heavier looking than what > you see > in photos. What about using Strutz!, and soldering (sp?) the joints together. That should be stronger than just about anything else you could come up with. Matt Bittner http://www.geocities.com/~ipmsfortcrook http://www.discoveromaha.com/community/groups/plasticmodelers/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 07:20:31 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: Subject: RE: My Trip to Hobby Maker Message-ID: <004101beceab$abff0920$4640a8c0@prens-001.ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> -----Mensaje original----- De: Matthew E Bittner FWIW, the Sign kit is good as well. If you have a choice at the same price, stick >with the Eduard.) >Matt Bittner > Matt: Did you have dealt with the Sign 1/72 FokDVIII? I have it semi abandoned in a box because I can't get along with the thick fuselage walls. The plastic has an uneven hardness and this make it difficult to sand properly, besides that the black color makes difficult the task too. It has a bit of hope only because I detailed the engine and cowl and don't want to quit after such a job. There's maybe a replacement fuselage from other kit? I've even tempted to modify the Revell's triplane fuselage. D. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 07:36:58 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: Subject: RE: Grandt Line bolts Message-ID: <006201becead$f761d300$4640a8c0@prens-001.ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Landoni: Grandt Line Bolts are photoetched bits shaped like miniature bolts heads. You can also get from the same brand different sizes, shapes, nut+washers, etc. They are very useful for tank & auto model detailing, where the scale are bigger than most of the airplanes. A turtledeck? Well, is the deck where the pilots used to put their turtles ;-) sorry, I couldn't resist that one. D. Where are those pills? -----Mensaje original----- De: Jim Landon Para: Multiple recipients of list Fecha: Jueves, 15 de Julio de 1999 03:15 p.m. Asunto: Grandt Line bolts >Steven, just looked at your photos at http://pease1.sr.unh.edu/Images/Perry/index.html > >Looks like fantastic work to me. Neat photo trick too, labeling the engine >parts. One question: what are "Grandt Line bolts". > >Jim, the wanabee WWI modeller > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 07:53:17 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?RE:_Re:_=22Major=22_not_Oblt._G=F6ring_G=F6=F6f_?= Message-ID: <00dd01beceb0$3f6e1ee0$4640a8c0@prens-001.ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> -----Mensaje original----- De: Bill Shatzer >Still, Goering's service in the 1914-1918 conflict seems to have >been entirely honorable - or at least as honorable as one can >be while earnestly attempting to "break things and kill people". >A characteristic, incidently, shared by many others on both >sides of the lines during that conflict. > That's something that I've thinking of too. Who knows what evil lurked in MvR soul? In my crooked reasoning, he was lucky to die in the zenith of his glory. He can hardly improve himself in peace time, because he was breeded to be a soldier. Even more: to kill and to be killed, that was the prussian spirit of things at that era, and it's hard to say if he could adapt himself to the civil life. Maybe Herr Göring wasted himself after the war, but I guess that if he would have died in the fight we could have him revered as Immelman or Boelcke or another german ace. D. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 06:32:01 -0500 From: "Charles and Linda Duckworth" To: Subject: Re: Grandt Line bolts Message-ID: <002e01becf7e$d6524f60$6d5cdfd1@q1p5x0> Grandt Line is a model railroad company and makes an assortment of building/structures details (windows, doors, smoke jacks etc.) they also have an assortment of nuts/washers for HO and O scale kits. The parts I've seen are cast in black and grey plastic. The Walthers Model RR catalog has several pages of their parts illustrated. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 06:30:07 -0500 From: "John Glaser" To: Subject: RE: Opinions on Blue Max kits Message-ID: Bamboo? Take a look at RK's work to see how nice that works. I'm planning to use that for the small struts on the 1/28 Dr.1 currently on the bench. Interplane will be thinned kit or scratched from strip stock. - JCG -----Original Message----- From: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu [mailto:wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu]On Behalf Of Ernest Thomas Sent: Friday, July 16, 1999 12:12 AM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Opinions on Blue Max kits Albatrosdv@aol.com wrote: > That would be it. If you know of any way to make both the struts and landing > gear from thinner/finer material, with enough strength to do their job, Sounds like a job for brass and torch. E. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 08:01:00 -0300 From: "cameron rile" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Night of the living dead thread, was re; Hello Message-ID: <199907160457555@cameron.prontomail.com> >So for all that, he only really asked for a checklist of things >to have for a first kit. Only one listee actually answered >Walter's main question. The rest of us started into what's a >good first WWI kit. Walter is looking for something simple. >I know Steve Perry did a great job fixing up the old Testors >kit. BUt there's no law that says Walter has to do any of >Steve's corrections or improvements. I still think though an Eduard N17 will make a beginner look better than the Testors N17 would. Everything fits together nicer ( even without reshaping ) on the Eduard and the detail is better on the Eduard, plus it doesnt have the goofs like raised platic to denote where the roundals are. I think the Eduard N17 is a better starting kit than the Testors N17 on everything other than price. cam ______________________________________________________________ Get Your Free E-mail and Homepage at http://www.prontomail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 10:28:03 -0400 From: "David Vosburgh" To: "WWI Mailing List" Subject: OOB Contests Message-ID: <000701becf97$6aa71a20$017433cf@Pvosburg> The 'local' (50 miles) IPMS chapter is sponsoring an OOB contest for this November, and I was wondering what the definition of 'out-of-box' generally consists of when applied to WW1 subjects. Is rigging considered an illegal modification? Can you do a paint scheme other than the ones in the instructions? Regards, DV ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 09:45:29 -0500 From: "Paul Schwartzkopf" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: OOB Contests Message-ID: OOB rules have been greatly loosened up in past years. AFAIK, you just cannot add any detailing (i.e. aftermarket PE parts) or modifications to the kit's plastic--such as changing a prop to a scratchbuilt one, though you can sand or cut off parts, defects, etc. Aftermarket decals, and paint schemes, may also be used (although I personally have reservations about this in OOB). You may add rigging if it is shown on the box art illustration. Be sure to take both the instruction sheet and box top when you enter it. I have judged at several IPMS/USA Regionals, and these are basically the rules we have used. I do not know how tight they are for a National. If you are a serious "trophy hound", you may want to contact whoever is in charge of the chapter's contests and get his/her requirements for OOB. Paul A. Schwartzkopf ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 1710 **********************