WWI Digest 1698 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: KCC by bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) 2) Re: KCC by Dennis Ugulano 3) RE: Marvin 1 - Smer tripe 0 by Shane Weier 4) RE: Sopwith Aircraft by Mick Davis. by Shane Weier 5) Re: Marvin 1 - Smer tripe 0 by KarrArt@aol.com 6) models built from? wasRe: Marvin 1 - Smer tripe 0 by KarrArt@aol.com 7) Re: New Workbench Phot by KarrArt@aol.com 8) Re: Kids books by KarrArt@aol.com 9) Red Baron Video Game by "roguerpj" 10) Thoroughly off-topic - I had fun tonight! by Albatrosdv@aol.com 11) Re: New Workbench Phot by Ernest Thomas 12) Re: Horsepower rating by Dave Watts 13) Re: WW1 aviation series by "Sandy Adam" 14) Re: Horsepower rating by Ernest Thomas 15) another N.17 question by Ernest Thomas 16) Help - Lost my Mail. Att Dave Vosburgh / Len Smith / Shane Weier by Pedro e Francisca Soares 17) Re: Horsepower rating by Dave Watts 18) Re: Horsepower rating by Ernest Thomas 19) Re: New Workbench Phot by Matthew E Bittner 20) Re: another N.17 question by Matthew E Bittner 21) Re: another N.17 question by Ernest Thomas 22) Re: New Workbench Phot by Ernest Thomas 23) Re: Unpopularity of WWI Subjects... Why? by GRBroman@aol.com 24) Ansaldo SVA 10. by "Len Smith" 25) Re: Marvin 1 - Smer tripe 0 by John Huggins 26) Re: Marvin 1 - Smer tripe 0 by Albatrosdv@aol.com 27) Re: Ansaldo SVA 10. by Ernest Thomas 28) Re: Red Baron Video Game by K129000@aol.com 29) Re: Horsepower rating by "Aidrian Bridgeman-Sutton" 30) Re: N.17 and 28 wings by Ernest Thomas 31) Re: Horsepower rating by "Aidrian Bridgeman-Sutton" 32) Re: Horsepower rating by Ernest Thomas 33) Re: Red Baron Video Game by "Bill Neill" 34) Re: Red Baron Video Game by "roguerpj" 35) Badges of Honor by "roguerpj" 36) Re: Red Baron Video Game by Ernest Thomas 37) Re: Red Baron Video Game by "cameron rile" 38) Re: Red Baron Video Game by Dennis Ugulano 39) Dremel recommendations + "museum" visit by Zulis@aol.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 10 Jul 1999 20:42:14 -0700 (PDT) From: bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: KCC Message-ID: <199907110342.UAA08243@compass.OregonVOS.net> Dennis writes: > >Anyone, > > Does any one have a telephone number for John Burns at Kit >Collectors Clearinghouse if he doesn't object to phone calls? 405-341-4640. But, e-mail at cheersjwb@aol.com might be better. Cheers and all, Bill -- Bill Shatzer - bshatzer@orednet.org "You don't need a weather man to know which way the wind blows." -Bob Dylan- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 00:01:06 -0400 From: Dennis Ugulano To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Re: KCC Message-ID: <199907110001_MC2-7C9B-303A@compuserve.com> Bill, Thank you for the information. Dennis Ugulano email: Uggies@compuserve.com http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/uggies Page Revised 7/2/99 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 12:24:10 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Marvin 1 - Smer tripe 0 Message-ID: <65C968E11318D311B0BD0060B06865CD0411B8@mimhexch.mim.com.au> Ben asks > I said: > >> Case in point, my first "scratchbuilt" aircraft in >> 1/48, a DH-2 > > A question please. A lot of you have mentioned > "scratchbuilding". Are most of you scratchbuilding > from plastic, like a styrene kit, or are > you doing it in wood and fabric? I don't know about "most of us", but I use whatever seems to give the best result with the least effort and requiring the absolute minimum of expensive tools. My scratchbuilds will inevitably have both styrene and balsa (if only for the wing cores, bamboo and brass wire. But they will also include all sorts of odds and ends of stuff extracted from the huge pile of junk accumulated "in case I need it". I may also use wood veneer, and am experimenting with basswood which hasn't previously been available to me. OTOH fabric (or tissue) is unlikly to be used. I see a *slight* possibility that I'd use it if I built in a really big scale, but IMHO the weave is utterly inappropriate in my preferred 1/48 scale Shane ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 12:37:16 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Sopwith Aircraft by Mick Davis. Message-ID: <65C968E11318D311B0BD0060B06865CD0411B9@mimhexch.mim.com.au> Nigel,Len > > > but dropped all this in favour of Napoleonic wargaming and figure > > modelling (got the Historex bug...). > > Obviously a man of good taste! I had the bug for many years > since I first saw them at the old Model Engineer exhibition, The only significant diversion I've made from my early aircraft mania in 35 years modelling was to build Historex 54mm Napoleonics. Made *both* for about 10 years, until about the mid 80's. I sold about 200 foot and 100 mounted kits just 2 years ago - and instantly replaced them with Eduards (of course). Still get the occasional urge but my skills no longer meet with my own approval Shane ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 01:35:29 EDT From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Marvin 1 - Smer tripe 0 Message-ID: <6b94ab7a.24b98721@aol.com> In a message dated 7/10/99 9:15:43 PM Pacific Daylight Time, sdw@qld.mim.com.au writes: << OTOH fabric (or tissue) is unlikly to be used. I see a *slight* possibility that I'd use it if I built in a really big scale, but IMHO the weave is utterly inappropriate in my preferred 1/48 scale Shane >> Tissue has no weave, and the lighter grades look pretty sharp for 1/48. The main problem was just using dope- after a few years brittleness would set in. These days, I dope the stuff down to the frame, and then finish it off with modern acrylics. The oldest model of mine done this way is my 1/48 BE2c- it's over ten years old and nary a split. Robert K. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 01:35:35 EDT From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: models built from? wasRe: Marvin 1 - Smer tripe 0 Message-ID: <97286455.24b98727@aol.com> In a message dated 7/10/99 8:09:07 AM Pacific Daylight Time, BEN8800@aol.com writes: << A question please. A lot of you have mentioned "scratchbuilding". Are most of you scratchbuilding from plastic, like a styrene kit, or are you doing it in wood and fabric? Just curious since there is quite a difference in the techniques used. Ben >> You name it, I'll use it. My big Gotha was traditional tissue over a frame, 1/64 birch ply fuselage with plasticy details and doodads. My big BE2 is almost 100% plastic. I've got a 1/48 Albatros D.V with tissue over frame wings and a home-vacuformed fuselage. No reason for any method I choose for one particular model- more whimsy and fancy of the moment. Robert K. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 01:35:34 EDT From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: New Workbench Phot Message-ID: <6c1e0812.24b98726@aol.com> In a message dated 7/10/99 8:20:28 AM Pacific Daylight Time, lfendy@firstsaga.com writes: << Really enjoyed looking at the new stuff at Mr Karr's site... >> Hey Len....... Call me "Mr. Karr" one more time and we'll have to have a little talk......I be Robert to all my list buds! (and thanks for the good words!) Robert K. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 01:35:31 EDT From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Kids books Message-ID: <95204af8.24b98723@aol.com> In a message dated 7/10/99 7:58:57 PM Pacific Daylight Time, mbittner@juno.com writes: << Since I was reading the threads about the Eyewitness series of books, and since I took my son to the book store, I thought I would check these out. Ouch! A little expensive. :-) However, they are nice. The one I saw on planes had an *LVG C.VI*! Exciting. However... I bought "him" a book on tank cut-a-ways. However, 3/4ths of the tanks were WW1!! The Mk.I, Whippet, A7V *and Ft.17. Exciting! Imagine. I have to buy a "kid's" book to finally get interior detail of the Ft.17. :-) Well worth the US$6 I spent. Matt Bittner >> They're not cheap, but sometimes odd ones will show up during the holidays at places like K-Mart or Wal-Mart for a discount. I found the interior layout of the Boeing 314 in one of the "Cross Sections" series, and it checked out pretty well with the resources I already had, so I had confidence in the fuzzy areas it illuminated Robert K. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 01:06:54 -0500 From: "roguerpj" To: "wwi@pease1.srund.edu" Subject: Red Baron Video Game Message-ID: <00e201becb63$b3006160$05f99ed0@robjohn.swdata.com> I just was catching up on some old stuff and found buried in the posts on why there wasn't more WWI modeling references to the Red Baron video game. The publisher came out with Red Baron 3D near the beginning of this year. I own a copy and in joy it greatly and recommend it to anyone that has the computing power to play it. (requires a graphics card with a 3D accelerator) It has a series of campaigns that allows you to try and make you way through the whole war. Or, you can just fly single missions. rob johnson ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 02:31:08 EDT From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Thoroughly off-topic - I had fun tonight! Message-ID: While all the rest of you were being busy enough with your Saturday night to not be posting like mad here, I got to go see my favorite movie of all time, "Singin' In The Rain," in a restored 1924 movie palace, and Donald O'Connor came and talked about how he did "Make 'em Laugh." I sure do wish I had worked in my business back then. Tom Cleaver ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 04:13:56 -0500 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: New Workbench Phot Message-ID: <37886054.78D7@bellsouth.net> Leonard Endy wrote: > > I added Matt Bittner's workbench pic to the web site. (snip) > Actually a nice clean, organized one. I'll bet he just cleaned it up for the picture. E. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 04:38:44 -0500 From: Dave Watts To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Horsepower rating Message-ID: <199907110941.EAA20033@ind.cioe.com> Dave Fletcher wrote; >Now aren't you sorry you asked? Not at all, and thank you for the formula. Not to be tiresome, but am I am to assume that 1 Horse Power is the same across the world? If not what I am looking for is a conversion rate, something like; 1 BHP = 1.215 US HP 1 BHP = 1.32 French HP 1 BHP = 1..45 German HP Sorry if I offended any nation's horse, (notice that I left the Australians out of this.) ;-) Best, Dave Watts ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 10:45:41 +0100 From: "Sandy Adam" To: Subject: Re: WW1 aviation series Message-ID: <003b01becb82$e22adf00$11e8b094@sandyada> >I suggested to somebody else that they might try the bbc website >>to see if there's a video available (www.bbc.co.uk or www.beeb.co.uk) >Listmember Brad Gossen submitted an inquiry, but did not hear back from >them. I too am interested in getting ahold of videos of this series. If I see anything over here I shall let you know. (Sometimes my aviation bookclub does a list of videos so we'll see.) Sandy ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 05:27:16 -0500 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Horsepower rating Message-ID: <37887184.4E1A@bellsouth.net> Dave Watts wrote: > Sorry if I offended any nation's horse, (notice that I left the > Australians out of this.) ;-) Now you've gone and done it! Are Aussie engines rated in BKP(break kangaroo power)? E. sorry, couldn't help myself. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 05:42:28 -0500 From: Ernest Thomas To: multiple recipients of list Subject: another N.17 question Message-ID: <37887514.65CF@bellsouth.net> So I'm getting ready to paint the top ting on my 17(Nungesser). BUt before I do, would the mounting hardware for the Lewis gun be painted in the same aluminum as the rest of the wing. or would it be a different color(steel, gunmetal,black)? E. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 11:34:16 +0100 From: Pedro e Francisca Soares To: WW1 modeling list Subject: Help - Lost my Mail. Att Dave Vosburgh / Len Smith / Shane Weier Message-ID: <37887328.42F9335A@mail.telepac.pt> Guys, Due to some stupid reason (memory problems, I'd guess) my computer has just eaten all the messages with a date later than the 21st June. The thing is that yesterday they were all there and suddenly they disappeared and I can't find them. Does anyone know in which directory should I try to find the messages? I'm using Netscape 4.5. Also would Dave and Len re-send their messages of yesterday? I saw them on the inbox before they disappered but didn't fully read them. Also Shane, I've lost the F-VII photos. Could you also re-send them? If anyone has asked me for something or is waiting for something from me, please remind me. Thangs Gang, Pedro ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 05:48:11 -0500 From: Dave Watts To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Horsepower rating Message-ID: <199907111051.FAA23138@ind.cioe.com> Heeee-Haaaw,......... good one E.! I knew that was going to happen! BKP!! I've heard it all now! ;-) Best, Dave PS: I was doing my horse laugh, but what kind of noise does a kangaroo make? >Dave Watts wrote: > >> Sorry if I offended any nation's horse, (notice that I left the >> Australians out of this.) ;-) > >Now you've gone and done it! >Are Aussie engines rated in BKP(break kangaroo power)? >E. >sorry, couldn't help myself. > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 06:56:44 -0500 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Horsepower rating Message-ID: <3788867C.16A9@bellsouth.net> Dave Watts wrote: > BKP!! I'd better correct myself before someone else does. I screwed it up. It BRAKE, not Break. E. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 07:15:44 -0500 From: Matthew E Bittner To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: New Workbench Phot Message-ID: <19990711.071727.-193679.2.mbittner@juno.com> On Sun, 11 Jul 1999 05:13:56 -0400 (EDT) Ernest Thomas writes: > I'll bet he just cleaned it up for the picture. Nope. It's generally "clutter free". Actually I added "clutter" for the picture. Can you see it? :-) Matt Bittner http://www.geocities.com/~ipmsfortcrook http://www.discoveromaha.com/community/groups/plasticmodelers/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 07:17:09 -0500 From: Matthew E Bittner To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: another N.17 question Message-ID: <19990711.071727.-193679.3.mbittner@juno.com> On Sun, 11 Jul 1999 06:42:21 -0400 (EDT) Ernest Thomas writes: > So I'm getting ready to paint the top ting on my 17(Nungesser). BUt > before I do, would the mounting hardware for the Lewis gun be > painted in > the same aluminum as the rest of the wing. or would it be a > different > color(steel, gunmetal,black)? I would do it in a different color, like gunmetal or black. Matt Bittner http://www.geocities.com/~ipmsfortcrook http://www.discoveromaha.com/community/groups/plasticmodelers/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 09:10:40 -0500 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: another N.17 question Message-ID: <3788A5E0.13B6@bellsouth.net> Matthew E Bittner wrote: > I would do it in a different color, like gunmetal or black. Okey dokey! Thanks, E. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 09:15:19 -0500 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: New Workbench Phot Message-ID: <3788A6F7.79B8@bellsouth.net> Matthew E Bittner wrote: > Nope. It's generally "clutter free". Actually I added "clutter" for the > picture. Can you see it? :-) I see 'something' there. Is it an aeroplane? It's to small to tell. :) E. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 10:41:23 EDT From: GRBroman@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Unpopularity of WWI Subjects... Why? Message-ID: <43995425.24ba0713@aol.com> In a message dated 7/10/99 10:01:24 PM EST, mbittner@juno.com writes: > > According to his > > sources, Emhar will release an FT-17 in the near future. Life is > > good. > > In 1/72nd, right? :-) Well, all joking aside, Emhar will release the kit first in 1/35th. But they have so far followed up their 1/35 releases with 1/72. If this holds true, we should see a Whippet in the next year or so in 1/72. Maybe even a 72nd Tadpole, but I doubt that. It would be a cool looking sucker though. Glen ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 10:59:27 +0100 From: "Len Smith" To: Subject: Ansaldo SVA 10. Message-ID: <000001becbb1$c9a2eb60$4b5c08c3@default> Has anyone built the RVHP resin kit of this aircraft? If so can you tell me where the two unequal arm struts(?) are supposed to go and also what are the small wiggly bits on a thin web meant to be. TIA Happy Modelling Len Len Smith. lensmith@clara.net http://home.clara.net/lensmith ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 10:42:11 -0500 From: John Huggins To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Marvin 1 - Smer tripe 0 Message-ID: >Mike wrote: > >> How about some ideas of how everyone deals with these kind of >> emergencies/tragic events? Any good > > "repair" tips out there? Events like these are usually a sign that the subject(s) involved weren't all that good any way.This opens the door for the justification of new purchases (like I need any justification) and a good reason to clear out some space for newly completed works of art. John ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 11:43:42 EDT From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Marvin 1 - Smer tripe 0 Message-ID: <8059bc4f.24ba15ae@aol.com> In a message dated 99-07-11 11:41:51 EDT, you write: << Events like these are usually a sign that the subject(s) involved weren't all that good any way. Sort of exactly what I was thinking after the lamp fell - if I re-did the Gauntlet as one sent to the Finns, I might be far more likely to finish rigging it (it's been sitting there four years, unrigged). Tom C ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 10:53:22 -0500 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Ansaldo SVA 10. Message-ID: <3788BDF2.1275@bellsouth.net> Len Smith wrote: > > Has anyone built the RVHP resin kit of this aircraft? > If so can you tell me where the two unequal arm struts(?) are supposed to go > and also what are the small wiggly bits on a thin web meant to be. Not at all familiar with the SVA 10. How much like the 5 is it? Lmk and I'll pull out the 5 Datafile and see if I can help. E. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 12:01:34 EDT From: K129000@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Red Baron Video Game Message-ID: In a message dated 99-07-11 01:59:37 EDT, you write: << I just was catching up on some old stuff and found buried in the posts on why there wasn't more WWI modeling references to the Red Baron video game. The publisher came out with Red Baron 3D near the beginning of this year. I own a copy and in joy it greatly and recommend it to anyone that has the computing power to play it. (requires a graphics card with a 3D accelerator) It has a series of campaigns that allows you to try and make you way through the whole war. Or, you can just fly single missions. rob johnson >> I remeber the ORIGINAL "Red Baron" game. The one the a 386 was recomended for. That is what got me interested in WW1 and pre-WW1 aviation. I was in the 7th grade at the time. While my dad sat up night perplexed as to how to make the game work with only 640k of memory I read the instruction manual. It included a lot of history on the subject. I really thought the story of Max Immelmann's first kill was neat. I liked the story of Roland Garros too. Then I went on to get books on the topic and eventually made a pilgamage to the meca that is Rhinebeck. So, at least one younger person became interested in the subject. I believe most kids today are more taken in by Tom Cruise and his F-14 than "Hell's Angels." Personally, I'll take Hell's Angels. It is worth watching just to see the sceene with the Zeppelin. K ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 17:32:55 +0100 From: "Aidrian Bridgeman-Sutton" To: Subject: Re: Horsepower rating Message-ID: <002c01becbbb$14f25020$0ff8a8c2@pc0973> E, Break is an acceptable, but decidedly antiquated, spelling for Brake. Since I've seen it in documents as late as the 20s, its just OT spelling. Aidrian ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 11:31:11 -0500 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: N.17 and 28 wings Message-ID: <3788C6CF.6E20@bellsouth.net> Mike Fletcher wrote: > > The majority of Nieuport 28's were built by a subcontractor (Niepce et > Fetterer iirc) and they thought they were smarter than the French > Technical ministry so they decided to do things their own way, with > disasterous results. The standard proceedure called for the fabric to > run either fore-aft or l;aterally and be stitched and glued in place. > They forsook some essential stitching and placed the fabric diagonally, > compromising the strength along the warp/weft. This makes sense. A lack of essential stitching would definitely lead to shedding fabric. But I'm not clear on how fabric applied diagonally would compomise the strength. Not saying it wouldn't, just don't understand how it would. Could you elaborate? E. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 17:49:51 +0100 From: "Aidrian Bridgeman-Sutton" To: Subject: Re: Horsepower rating Message-ID: <005501becbbd$65c4b400$0ff8a8c2@pc0973> To the best of my knowledge there's only one standard horse these days - the same way that there's the kW if you're metricated. The units and values for 1hp are the same everywhere it's how and where you measure it that creates the confusion. AFAIK 1hp has had the same value since it was first defined as a unit, that is 550 foot-pounds/sec. Since a foot, a pound and a second are all exiting units there's not much scope for variation. (OK I do know about Brandenburg feet and Polish feet and Ruritaninan feet, but there's a standard for one foot as well - these old units generally died out many years ago) Aidrian ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 11:50:07 -0500 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Horsepower rating Message-ID: <3788CB3F.3408@bellsouth.net> Aidrian Bridgeman-Sutton wrote: > > E, > > Break is an acceptable, but decidedly antiquated, spelling for Brake. Since > I've seen it in documents as late as the 20s, its just OT spelling. Yeah! That's it. I was just trying to be OT. E. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 10:11:16 -0700 From: "Bill Neill" To: Subject: Re: Red Baron Video Game Message-ID: <004501becbc0$66b5c360$8a3bc0d8@bill> I fool with RB3D now and again. Gave up just zooming about randomly, and started trying to learn to 'fly' it. I mean basic control stuff, straight and level, then controlled turns to specfic directions, controlled altitude changes, etc. So far, landing has been a dismal failure. Anyone know if it actually possible to land in RB3D? Bill Neill > I just was catching up on some old stuff and found buried in the posts on > why there wasn't more WWI modeling references to the Red Baron video game. > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 12:20:38 -0500 From: "roguerpj" To: Subject: Re: Red Baron Video Game Message-ID: <003a01becbc1$d29a3240$05f99ed0@robjohn.swdata.com> The history and tactics section in the manual is still intact and better that some of the +ACI-real histories+ACI- I have seen. You can find most of the information on the Red Baron web page at http://www.redbaron3d.com/history/index.html or there main page for information on the game at: http://www.sierra.com/dynamix/rb3d/main.html rob johnson -----Original Message----- From: K129000+AEA-aol.com +ADw-K129000+AEA-aol.com+AD4- To: Multiple recipients of list +ADw-wwi+AEA-pease1.sr.unh.edu+AD4- Date: Sunday, July 11, 1999 11:02 AM Subject: Re: Red Baron Video Game +AD4-In a message dated 99-07-11 01:59:37 EDT, you write: +AD4- +AD4APAA8- I just was catching up on some old stuff and found buried in the posts on +AD4- why there wasn't more WWI modeling references to the Red Baron video game. +AD4- The publisher came out with Red Baron 3D near the beginning of this year. I +AD4- own a copy and in joy it greatly and recommend it to anyone that has the +AD4- computing power to play it. (requires a graphics card with a 3D accelerator) +AD4- It has a series of campaigns that allows you to try and make you way through +AD4- the whole war. Or, you can just fly single missions. +AD4- +AD4- rob johnson +AD4APg- +AD4- +AD4-I remeber the ORIGINAL +ACI-Red Baron+ACI- game. The one the a 386 was recomended +AD4-for. That is what got me interested in WW1 and pre-WW1 aviation. +AD4- +AD4-I was in the 7th grade at the time. While my dad sat up night perplexed as +AD4-to how to make the game work with only 640k of memory I read the instruction +AD4-manual. It included a lot of history on the subject. I really thought the +AD4-story of Max Immelmann's first kill was neat. I liked the story of Roland +AD4-Garros too. Then I went on to get books on the topic and eventually made a +AD4-pilgamage to the meca that is Rhinebeck. +AD4- +AD4-So, at least one younger person became interested in the subject. I believe +AD4-most kids today are more taken in by Tom Cruise and his F-14 than +ACI-Hell's +AD4-Angels.+ACI- Personally, I'll take Hell's Angels. It is worth watching just to +AD4-see the sceene with the Zeppelin. +AD4- +AD4-K +AD4- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 12:32:06 -0500 From: "roguerpj" To: "wwi@pease1.srund.edu" Subject: Badges of Honor Message-ID: <003e01becbc3$4c55b860$05f99ed0@robjohn.swdata.com> A friend of mine started giving me a gift that he thought I might in joy. It is a series of patches from the various fighter squadrons that have served military aviation. While it is almost exclusively WWII and beyond The first patch they sent out is from the 94th Aero Pursuit Squadron. What you get is a card with pictures and a history of the unit as well as a patch with that units insignia on it. The reason I bring this up is that the hat and ring on the patch is reversed from the photo and the profile of a rickenbacker's Spad XIII. Could they have made that kind of a mistake or is there more to it. Also, does anyone know who painted the profiles for this series the Spad is excellent and I might just have to try my hand at it if I ever find the time. rob johnson ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 12:25:13 -0500 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Red Baron Video Game Message-ID: <3788D379.4CE4@bellsouth.net> Bill Neill wrote: > > Anyone know if it actually possible to land in RB3D? I haven't tried RBII, or RB3-D. But I used to land planes in the old RB all the time. It should just be a matter of throttling back a bit, keep the AS about 5 or 10 knts above a stall, keep the wings level, and when the wheels touch the ground, throttle back to idle. Piece-o-cake! Good luck. E. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 13:33:55 -0300 From: "cameron rile" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Red Baron Video Game Message-ID: <199907111035420@cameron.prontomail.com> >So far, landing has been a dismal failure. Anyone know if it >actually possible to land in RB3D? Yep it is possible, with landing the TAB button is the best for cutting power, basically blip your way in and control your energy to landing by blipping your plane in. When landing too it it always best to come in using an in-cockpit view ( F1 or PgUp ). The Camel or Sopwith Triplane are probably the hardest to land, so practice blipping them in as they are pretty responsive that way. One of the problems with the RB3D flight model though is the lack of energy bleed, hence planes can turn at full bank indefinately to the left and right. One aspect of this is when you land and bounce or float on landing you will rise about 200ft and then sort of hang there even with the motor off. The plane at this point often loops and then does the stall where it then floats down on its back like a leaf. When that happens best to just shake your head :) Good practise though is landing them under power or in a glide, makes for upping piloting skills, another good way to learn your plane is, rather than combat, try flying formation with the AI controlled planes, it is a fast way to up your skills as an RB3D pilot. The AI is pretty good in formation so you shouldnt crumple your wings too often. Landing is sort of a personal thing, I prefer bringing the Camel in under power, others dont. Whatever works and brings the plane down in one piece is best. cam ______________________________________________________________ Get Your Free E-mail and Homepage at http://www.prontomail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 13:55:52 -0400 From: Dennis Ugulano To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Re: Red Baron Video Game Message-ID: <199907111355_MC2-7C97-BA2B@compuserve.com> E, >> It should just be a matter of throttling back a bit, keep the AS about 5 or 10 knts above a stall, keep the wings level, and when the wheels touch the ground, throttle back to idle. Piece-o-cake! Good luck. E. << I agree RB 1 was great and easy to land. I now have RB2 and cannot get the things on the ground without spreading myself out for 400 yards, thru hangers and etc. My game has so many gliches in it, it's no fun to play. Haven't touched it for months. Dennis Ugulano email: Uggies@compuserve.com http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/uggies Page Revised 7/2/99 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 14:24:44 EDT From: Zulis@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Dremel recommendations + "museum" visit Message-ID: Greetings! I have decided to purchase one of those Dremel hand-held drills, and have found a site or two from which I might order one. However, they are listed by model number which means absolutely nothing to me, so I though I might ask for recommendations here. I would like a straightforward modeller's drill and the recommended size bits (I believe about #75 or higher?, based upon Bob's post a month ago) to allow me to drill the holes for rigging 1/72 models. I would probably go with a rechargable battery model, but am willing to be convinced otherwise, if there is a reason. I would appreciate recommendations, with model numbers, so I can order directly from an on-line catalogue. Many thanks in advance, Dave Zulis ps - visited list member Brad Gossen's "museum" yesterday. This is a truly breathtaking collection of WWI aviation books (hundreds of them - literally), models and significant on-topic collectables. Definitely worth a major pilgrimage, but you will want to ensure removal of the bear traps and make moat-related arrangements in advance. :-) Thanks again, Brad! ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 1698 **********************