WWI Digest 1696 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) RE: Horsepower rating by Shane Weier 2) Re: Horsepower rating by Dave Watts 3) Re: Marvin 1 - Smer tripe 0 by Ernest Thomas 4) RE: Horsepower rating by Dave Watts 5) Re: new junk by KarrArt@aol.com 6) Re: 260 messages! / Camels by KarrArt@aol.com 7) Re: was: new Junk - now RK's great new things by KarrArt@aol.com 8) Re: new junk by KarrArt@aol.com 9) Re: They Fought for the Sky by KarrArt@aol.com 10) Re: Horsepower rating by "Lee J Mensinger" 11) Re: Marvin 1 - Smer tripe 0 by KarrArt@aol.com 12) Re: Horsepower rating by Mike Fletcher 13) Re: Marvin 1 - Smer tripe 0 by Mike Fletcher 14) Re: 260 messages! / Camels by "Bob Pearson" 15) Re: 260 messages! / Camels by KarrArt@aol.com 16) Re: Horsepower rating by David & Carol Fletcher 17) RE: for Ivan Subrt - don't read by infosilver@czechia.com 18) FW: Colours by infosilver@czechia.com 19) Re: Horsepower rating by "Aidrian Bridgeman-Sutton" 20) Whole bunch of good stuff today! by Ernest Thomas 21) Sandy's Sopwiths by Ernest Thomas 22) Re: Horsepower rating by "Sandy Adam" 23) Re: new junk by "Sandy Adam" 24) ebay pictures by "Sandy Adam" 25) RE: Houston, Texas Hobby Shops? by "John C Glaser" 26) Re: Unpopularity of WWI Subjects... Why? by Suvoroff@aol.com 27) Re: D.VII tail by Matthew E Bittner 28) Sierra Scale by Matthew E Bittner 29) Re: Sierra Scale by Matthew E Bittner 30) OT: WW1 aviation series by "Kitsch design" 31) Re: WW1 aviation series by "Sandy Adam" 32) Re: Sandy's Sopwiths by "Sandy Adam" 33) Re: Marvin 1 - Smer tripe 0 by Zulis@aol.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 10 Jul 1999 15:37:10 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Horsepower rating Message-ID: <65C968E11318D311B0BD0060B06865CD0411B7@mimhexch.mim.com.au> Dave, > I recall that > BHP, (British Horse Power), for a motor was always lower than > US horsepower Because it's over 20 years ago, I may not recall what I think I recall, but my old textbooks still call it *Brake* Horsepower, and I don't think there are two BHP's (major mining companies not included) Shane (willing to be convinced though) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Jul 1999 00:50:50 -0500 From: Dave Watts To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Horsepower rating Message-ID: <199907100553.AAA37592@ind.cioe.com> Robert Karr wrote; > I found what I was looking for in WW I Aero number 143 Feb 94 page82. >According to this a German PS (pferdestarke) is .986hp. The only thing is...which HP? Thanks Robert, It will be interesting to see where this goes. Right now, I think it is actually taking me the opposite direction of where I thought it might. I had the gut feeling that when the British report on the D.VII 368/18 listed the Mercedes as having an output of 200 HP. Hold on here, I'm going to dig into this a bit more. Best, Dave Watts ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Jul 1999 00:54:11 -0500 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Marvin 1 - Smer tripe 0 Message-ID: <3786E003.589F@bellsouth.net> Ok, guess I'll chime in with my most recent model catastrophy. No gremlins or animated martians, just a bull in a china shop commonly known as EtH. Last year, moving into the new house. I had the D-VII, Dr.I, and unfinished Pfalz D-III(the botched Boche)all in the same box.(the first mistake). I put that box on top of a stack of boxes, turned around to pick up another box and bumped into the first stack, knocking over the box of models. Wings knocked off, PE lg's bent, etc... How did I deal with it? I let em sit in that same box until just recently when I did most of the repair on the Fokkers. The Pfalz is still in sorry shape. :((( E, tbitcs. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Jul 1999 00:58:14 -0500 From: Dave Watts To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: RE: Horsepower rating Message-ID: <199907100601.BAA37946@ind.cioe.com> Shane wrote, >Because it's over 20 years ago, I may not recall what I think I recall, but my old textbooks still call it *Brake* Horsepower, and I don't think there are two BHP's (major mining companies not included) I believe you are correct. When I was a young "yank", I was stuck on Jaguars, and remember reading the BHP ratings for XKEs, and my immature brain translated it into British Horse Power. Brake Horse Power sounds correct to me. This confuses me a little bit more as to why different countries would use different formulas for configuring Horse Power. Oh well. In time, the answer will come. Thanks again, Dave ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Jul 1999 01:57:58 EDT From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: new junk Message-ID: In a message dated 7/8/99 9:04:45 PM Pacific Daylight Time, eatcrow2@yahoo.com writes: << "The Livid Digit". They're all great, but these knock me out.. P. Crow .. sort of relating to "The Livid Digit" figure at the moment..;-) >> bit by a No11blade? That was the inspiration for the figure! Robert K. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Jul 1999 01:57:56 EDT From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: 260 messages! / Camels Message-ID: In a message dated 7/9/99 12:19:31 PM Pacific Daylight Time, cbbs@almac.co.uk writes: << BTW, Al has kindly put some of my long-promised Camels on the Model Galleries if anybody a) wants to see how the BM kit turns out, or b) wants to have checks swimming in front of their eyes!! Sandy >> All good stuff...but your "Comic" has so much personality- I love it! Fine work all way 'round. Robert K. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Jul 1999 01:57:59 EDT From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: was: new Junk - now RK's great new things Message-ID: In a message dated 7/8/99 8:41:58 PM Pacific Daylight Time, Albatrosdv@aol.com writes: << I know, I know, that guy down there in Australian crocodile-land is gonna get me for naming these names, but when you go to RK's site, what is going to knock you on your you-know-what is the XP-80A and P-40C dioramas. Talk about making a model come to life!!!! Woooo.....!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (O.S. SOUND: wild APPLAUSE from the CROWD) Tom C >> I blush(or maybe it's the tropical weather here in SoCal tonight) Robert K. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Jul 1999 01:57:57 EDT From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: new junk Message-ID: <4fad6d8c.24b83ae5@aol.com> In a message dated 7/8/99 9:41:25 PM Pacific Daylight Time, ethomas6@bellsouth.net writes: << KarrArt@aol.com wrote: > > Shucks, I might as well take these few precious moments of typing time and > announce that after 231 years, we finally have a bunch of new(to the web) > junk on my site, including a tiny bit of on-topic stuff. Appraiser Amok? >> It makes perfect sense if you're married to an appraiser...... Robert K. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Jul 1999 01:58:01 EDT From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: They Fought for the Sky Message-ID: In a message dated 7/8/99 8:25:03 PM Pacific Daylight Time, sljenkins@tac.com.au writes: << It only takes one small step and then one day you wake up to find yourself surrounded by reference material, kits and talking to a whole bunch of other "loonies" ;-) I LOVE IT!!!!!! Lorna >> Who you callin' loony? (he asks as he dons his royal blue hat made from fish scales and twine,the one soaked in chlorine, not the one that barks) Robert K. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Jul 1999 01:06:15 -0500 From: "Lee J Mensinger" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Horsepower rating Message-ID: <3786E2D7.973825F6@wireweb.net> Horse power is a good way to get totally screwed up. It is calculated in BHP, which is Brake Horse Power. Which is done by revving the engine way and then heaving a brake on to the point where the engine stalls. This is done on a device like a dynamometer and the result is read on a dial. The next is done by mathmatics and involves Cylinder size, times the stroke, times some other thing and then totalled for all the cylinders in cubic inches. Then divided by a number, as I recall it was 33,000. As an example Chicago has a law whereby vehicles are taxed according to Horse Power. The calculated HP is called Taxable Horse Power. Not because of the Tax, but because that is the scientific name of the answer, that is derived by the mathmatics. I left college level Physics class 45 years ago and it is a bit vague now since I haven't used it much. (Glad I'm retired or I'd be fired.) In any event the highest Horse Power listed for tax purposes was a Cadillac and the stamp on the windshield said, Exceeds 33 HP, the highest listed for tax purposes. That was when some engines were advertised with 450 + HP. The little French cars once said 4 CV. My spelling of French is rotten but that means Cheveaul, or horse. (Close to that) Lost the french dictionary. They use the Scientific/mathmatical system for HP ratings. The British used the same system for years and that is why they had an Austin 8. It was 8 HP. Lee. KarrArt@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 7/9/99 6:28:53 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > davew@wattstrainshop.com writes: > > << > If the Germans say a Mercedes is rated at 160 PS, (HP), and then that > motor is tested by the British or French when they capture a Fokker D.VII, > (for example D.VII 368/18 in June of 1918), would they each come up with a > different rating? > > Thank you for the clarification, > Best, > Dave Watts >> > > I found what I was looking for in WW I Aero number 143 Feb 94 page82. > According to this a German PS (pferdestarke) is .986hp. The only thing > is...which HP? > Robert K. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Jul 1999 02:12:44 EDT From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Marvin 1 - Smer tripe 0 Message-ID: <6e4c0c20.24b83e5c@aol.com> In a message dated 7/9/99 10:57:18 PM Pacific Daylight Time, ethomas6@bellsouth.net writes: << Ok, guess I'll chime in with my most recent model catastrophy. No gremlins or animated martians, just a bull in a china shop commonly known as EtH........... How did I deal with it? .......... :((( >> Crash diorama time! Robert K. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 23:20:16 -0700 From: Mike Fletcher To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Horsepower rating Message-ID: <3786E620.AB8DEAC9@mars.ark.com> the 110 LeRhone developed 120hp and the 110 Clerget only 105hp, both at sea level when tested by the British. While the French seem to have used grades (80/90/100/110/120/130...) that matched roughly to the engine, differences between engines may also account for a significant difference. The same engines built by different manufacturers differ, and it was noted that many early German aces traded their Oberursels for the identical French built engine as they ran better. The same situation existed with the Russians to an even greater extent. -- Mike Fletcher ___ ., mdf@mars.ark.com |-\|^----! ; mikef@sparc.nic.bc.ca |--n--""*" icq=19554083 @ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 23:25:10 -0700 From: Mike Fletcher To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Marvin 1 - Smer tripe 0 Message-ID: <3786E746.8D482606@mars.ark.com> My first OT aircraft since childhood - an Airfix Pup had its gear, prop and some rigging removed by a thoughtful (now-ex) girlfriend who dropped my tv on it. I may repair it someday - it is safetly nestled in the styrofoam box that carried it from Germany to Ottawa to British Columbia until I get around to robbing my other Pup of its gear. -- Mike Fletcher ___ ., mdf@mars.ark.com |-\|^----! ; mikef@sparc.nic.bc.ca |--n--""*" icq=19554083 @ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 23:25:30 -0700 From: "Bob Pearson" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: 260 messages! / Camels Message-ID: <199907100637.XAA20835@mail.rapidnet.net> Shane, Took a few but I think I figured this one out ..... it's yet more checks before our eyes. .. what do I win? Bob >> I went a way for a two day c >> onferenc e, came b ack - 260 >> messages !!!!! Gui nness boo >> k of rec ords? BTW , Al has >> kindly put som >> e of m y long- >> promis ed Camel >> s on t he Model >> Gallerie s if anybo dy a) wan >> ts to se e how the BM kit tu >> rns out, or b) want s to have >> checks s wimming in front of >> their ey es!! Sandy > It's a fine kit, > and yo urs do it > it gre at justic > e, mat e. More !! > > Shane ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Jul 1999 02:32:18 EDT From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: 260 messages! / Camels Message-ID: In a message dated 7/9/99 11:27:44 PM Pacific Daylight Time, bpearson@kaien.com writes: << Shane, Took a few but I think I figured this one out ..... it's yet more checks before our eyes. .. what do I win? Bob >> yeah- now that I squint I see it! Robert K. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 22:23:21 -0700 From: David & Carol Fletcher To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Horsepower rating Message-ID: <3786D8C9.2EB8@mars.ark.com> Lee J Mensinger wrote: "The next is done by mathmatics and involves Cylinder size, times the stroke, times some other thing..." That was also called SAE Horsepower (for Society of Automotive Engineers) and I used to know the formula by heart - bore x stroke x number cylinders rings a bell, with all dimensions in inches (a 1949 six-cylinder Chevrolet was 29.4 SAE Horsepower and 90 Brake Horsepower). You are basically right with the 2CV, that's "deux chevaux" (literally, "two horses") - but it also had two cylinders which may mean a different application of "horses"... My Baughman's Aviation Dictionary defines horsepower as follows: "One horsepower is the amount of energy that must be expended to raise 33,000 lbs through a distance of one foot in one minute (or 550 footpounds per second). The metric horsepower is equal to .75 kilogram-meters per second, or, in electrical work, one horsepower equals 0.746 Kilowatt; and vice versa, one kilowatt equals 1.34 horsepower." The formula for brake horsepower when using the prony brake (or dynamometer) is BHP = 2 pi LNW/33000 lbs, where L = length of arm in feet, N = number or revolutions per minute W = weight or force in pounds, as indicated on the scale. Now aren't you sorry you asked? Dave Fletcher ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Jul 99 08:05:36 -01 From: infosilver@czechia.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: RE: for Ivan Subrt - don't read Message-ID: Will do, Sandy. I'm going to Prague next week, maybe the Berg will be already out. There's something strange with your emails to me. Could you please send several short messages to infosilver@czechia.com again? Cheers! Ivan ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Jul 99 08:37:39 -01 From: infosilver@czechia.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: FW: Colours Message-ID: Hi all, sorry for repeated posting, but this one doesn't seem to come through. Colour list address corrected anyway. Ivan S. ---------------Original Message--------------- On Mon, 31 Aug 1998 01:48:16 -0400 David R.L. Laws wrote: >Provoked by the recent thread on German Streaked finishes and the older >one covering PC 10 and NIVO recipes the following occurred to me > >Would the worthy members of the List be interested to contributing to a >dedicated thread ( to run over the next couple of weeks ) setting out >their secret/ GEHEIM ! and incontestably accurate (!) colour recipes >and finishes/ methods - under browser top bar " Subject " headings such >as : > >Paint Color - CDL - >TEXT : Mix Brand X No 34 30% with Brand X No 54 70% > >Paint Color - GER - loz - 4 col UPPER >TEXT : Col A " Straw " - Mix etc ... > >Paint Color - Fr 5 colour >TEXT : as above ... > >Paint Color - Brit - Nivo/ PC 10 > >Paint Color - GER - Streaked finish - >TEXT : method+colors >(a) Colors >(b) Method of application > >This would place all the accumulated knowledge of those willing to >contribute into a central resource and offer a " standardised " ( >recognising that there will of course be individual preferences and thus >variations ) starting point ( at the least ) to less experienced >modellers > >Once done, Alan might be prepared to add this to the general references >on the site page and make it a downloadable reference sheet - It'd make >it so much easier than trawling through the Archives !!! > >If Alan doesn't object to our revisiting some older contributions ... Is >there a consensus on this ?! > >REGARDS > >DAVID > Propped with the modest success of my lozenge page attempt I started to summarize WWI colour information in the form of concise notes. The idea is to put a list on my website, each colour including its name, identification code (Methuen, FS595 approx., RGB/CMYK...), colour sample and the best hobby colour equivalents/mixes. To this moment I gathered pieces of information on about 50+ shades and I'd like to ask all listees to help me with this effort. To simplify the data acquisition I placed an electronic form to my site http://www.czechia.com/silverbird/wwi/colform.htm together with recent crude colour list http://www.czechia.com/silverbird/wwi/wwicol.txt Submitting the form sends me structured email ready to be appended into a database. Each colour/equivalent/mix needs another go. All suggestions, comments and opinions appreciated. Cheers Ivan Subrt ----------End of Original Message---------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Jul 1999 08:46:26 +0100 From: "Aidrian Bridgeman-Sutton" To: Subject: Re: Horsepower rating Message-ID: <00a101becaa8$64e99a20$9c82a8c2@pc0973> Brake Horse Power it is - for the curious there are also SHP (shaft HP), IHP (indicated or indicator HP), DHP or DBHP (Drawbar HP), NHP (Nominal HP) and various others depending on what you are describing and how and where you measure. SHP is used in marine engineering and is the power available to turn the propeller; IHP was calculated from indicator diagrams on steam engines and was a theoretical value for the horsepower developed in the cylinders; D/DBHP was the HP available at the drawbar on a locomotive calculated using various train resistance formulae, and NHP was an assessment based on the bore and stroke and was as far as I know largely in the UK used to let the authorities work out how much tax you should pay on your car or traction engine. NHP for steam engines was usually miles away from the true HP, and similarly for later IC engines. Steam traction engines were particularly noted for having rather beefy horses. Aidrian -----Original Message----- From: Shane Weier > >Because it's over 20 years ago, I may not recall what I think I recall, but >my old textbooks still call it *Brake* Horsepower, and I don't think there >are two BHP's (major mining companies not included) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Jul 1999 02:50:39 -0500 From: Ernest Thomas To: multiple recipients of list Subject: Whole bunch of good stuff today! Message-ID: <3786FB4F.610F@bellsouth.net> Hey all, Got my order from Sierra today. I'm pretty new to vacs, but I have to say these are the nicest I've ever seen. THICK plastic, surprising amount of detail on the surface. Sucked down into a female mold I would guess. FORMERS!!! Helpfull looking instructions with scale GA. Lots of struts molded on the sheets. Don't know about these yet, as I can think of other, quicker ways to make struts. But I do appreciate the option. Got em on sale to boot. All under 20.US. Gripes? Lot-o-flash on injected parts. No decals, just an address for Americal/Gryphon. Guess I need to start collecting info on H-B stuff... A happy customer, E. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Jul 1999 03:34:22 -0500 From: Ernest Thomas To: multiple recipients of list Subject: Sandy's Sopwiths Message-ID: <3787058D.46@bellsouth.net> Sandy, I Luv's dem checkerboards! E. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Jul 1999 10:04:04 +0100 From: "Sandy Adam" To: Subject: Re: Horsepower rating Message-ID: <007901becab3$d22a5920$3be8b094@sandyada> Its funny to be working in a different time zone from a debate like this as I read the first bit and am about to reply - when I think - no read on, somebody else has probably already answered this - and of course they have. By the time I get round all the nighttime messages, the answer is almost all there. The one little bit I would add is that the reason (AFAIR) for Brake Horsepower etc was to give a power measure which took into account the internal momentum and friction of the engine (or transmission system) itself. Ie if you give HP or PS ratings, you will get a theoretical value and may not get that amount of actual power delivered at the business end. If however you measure how much power it takes to brake an engine, this will accurately show you exactly what needed to be stopped. All this reminds me how long it is since I did my BSc in Physics! Sandy ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Jul 1999 10:36:18 +0100 From: "Sandy Adam" To: Subject: Re: new junk Message-ID: <00a901becab7$aae4cd60$3be8b094@sandyada> Speechless! Sandy (Lovely stuff. How many ams, hands, fingers etc do you have?) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Jul 1999 10:42:06 +0100 From: "Sandy Adam" To: Subject: ebay pictures Message-ID: <00b701becab8$7bb36460$3be8b094@sandyada> Some nice pictures on ebay at http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&tc=ps&item=128917033 Sandy ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Jul 1999 05:10:09 -0500 From: "John C Glaser" To: Subject: RE: Houston, Texas Hobby Shops? Message-ID: Jim: We are currently blessed with four, none with an extensive OT selection: I&I Hobbies - At Chimney Rock & Bellaire. Caters to the RC crowd so OT is fairly limited in plastic. Also in process of moving to larger facility so stock is low, low, low but on sale, sale, sale. Hobbies West - Memorial Blvd, near Gessner & Memorial. Has best selection of plastics, although pricey. Also pretty good book selection. Very small OT section. G&G Hobbies (I know, where's H&H?) - In University Park (Near Rice University.) Primarily a model railroad shop but has best selection of scratch building supplies. Island Hobbies (I think this is the right name) - Richmond Avenue. This is our newest entrant. No OT stuff but a really nice gut who will talk your ear off. Last time I was there, he had a pile of kits in the back room he bought from a collection. Some OT in that but no bargains. HTH - JCG -----Original Message----- From: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu [mailto:wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu]On Behalf Of Jim Pliml Sent: Friday, July 09, 1999 10:37 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Houston, Texas Hobby Shops? This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00C7_01BECA5B.A2928AA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The subject line pretty much sums it up. Does anybody know of any good = hobby shops in Houston,Tx. that have a good bit of on topic goodies? 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------=_NextPart_000_00C7_01BECA5B.A2928AA0-- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Jul 1999 07:28:02 EDT From: Suvoroff@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Unpopularity of WWI Subjects... Why? Message-ID: I would add one thing to this discussion; the apparent unpopularity of the Great War is in part a vicious circle. The lack of OT models at the shows discourages others from building models of our favorite subjects, which means fewer OT models at the shows, and so on ad infinitum. The same for popular books; a few decades ago there was some popular WWI literature, comic books, etc., but as interest ebbed there was less popular literature, which leads to fewer people getting interested, and so on. There are a lot of WWI books out there, but now they tend very much to be expensive and specialist literature, hardly the "ripping reads" that attracted us as children. Meanwhile, the Few (us, that is) as we get older and better off, put our money into a niche market which gets more expensive and higher in quality as it shrinks in size. So what is the answer? Yours, James D. Gray ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Jul 1999 07:18:58 -0500 From: Matthew E Bittner To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: D.VII tail Message-ID: <19990710.073133.-5757.0.mbittner@juno.com> On Fri, 9 Jul 1999 23:25:29 -0400 (EDT) bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) writes: > The opening itself is pretty straight forward while the skid itself > is no mechanical wonder - just a pivot at the rear vertical with > the skid continuing up towards the top of the fuselage. There are > some springs and attachment doohickies to the skid up towards the > top of the fuselage but they are so far up that they'd be lost > and mostly non-visible in anything smaller than say 1/4 scale. > > I'd think you'd be suffering from a servere case of anal-retentive > AMS were you determined to model those! :-) Oooo...sounds like a challenge! :-) Thanks, Bill. Matt Bittner http://www.geocities.com/~ipmsfortcrook http://www.discoveromaha.com/community/groups/plasticmodelers/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Jul 1999 07:33:00 -0500 From: Matthew E Bittner To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Sierra Scale Message-ID: <19990710.073303.-5757.2.mbittner@juno.com> I too bought from SS during the latest sale. Picked up the Caudron R.11. Awesome kit! Does anybody know of any other references besides the FMP book? Anybody have cockpit info? James? Matt Bittner http://www.geocities.com/~ipmsfortcrook http://www.discoveromaha.com/community/groups/plasticmodelers/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Jul 1999 08:07:28 -0500 From: Matthew E Bittner To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Sierra Scale Message-ID: <19990710.080728.-161201.0.mbittner@juno.com> Oh yea, anybody build a Caudron R.11? :-) Matt Bittner http://www.geocities.com/~ipmsfortcrook http://www.discoveromaha.com/community/groups/plasticmodelers/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Jul 1999 23:31:52 +1000 From: "Kitsch design" To: Subject: OT: WW1 aviation series Message-ID: <000401becad8$a852d4e0$2a1d083d@t9hf2> Someone mentioned that it was about time WW1 aviation hit the screen, in order to increase interest in this period of aviation history. I remember avidly watching the UK series "Wings" (no not the crappy sitcom) with my parents, as a child here in Australia, in the 1970's. The story revolved around a young country boy joining the RFC and his experiences in the Great War. I have no recollection of the actors or even the aircraft portrayed (from memory B.E.2c's), but would love to see the series again. Anyone else recall seeing this series or know of it's availability on video? I'd like to know I'm not the only one who's seen this series. Regards Andrew Ronayne Australia ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Jul 1999 14:55:55 +0100 From: "Sandy Adam" To: Subject: Re: WW1 aviation series Message-ID: <002e01becadb$f08be0a0$32e8b094@sandyada> Greetings Andrew we discussed Wings just a few weeks back in fact and quite a few of us remember the models and the actors and I can even hum the theme tune still. Tim Woodward was the central character (son of Edward "Breaker Morant" Woodward) - I suggested to somebody else that they might try the bbc website to see if there's a video available (www.bbc.co.uk or www.beeb.co.uk) Sandy -----Original Message----- From: Kitsch design To: Multiple recipients of list Date: 10 July 1999 14:41 Subject: OT: WW1 aviation series >Someone mentioned that it was about time WW1 aviation hit the screen, in >order to increase interest in this period of aviation history. > >I remember avidly watching the UK series "Wings" (no not the crappy sitcom) >with my parents, as a child here in Australia, in the 1970's. The story >revolved around a young country boy joining the RFC and his experiences in >the Great War. > >I have no recollection of the actors or even the aircraft portrayed (from >memory B.E.2c's), but would love to see the series again. Anyone else recall >seeing this series or know of it's availability on video? > >I'd like to know I'm not the only one who's seen this series. > >Regards > >Andrew Ronayne >Australia > > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Jul 1999 14:50:04 +0100 From: "Sandy Adam" To: Subject: Re: Sandy's Sopwiths Message-ID: <002d01becadb$efbad500$32e8b094@sandyada> Ernest, Robert, Shane, Peter & Tom - many thanks for the kind words and encouragement - its nice for your model to receive a compliment from a friend or fellow modeller, but when its from a member of this list, its pretty special. Sandy ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Jul 1999 10:25:34 EDT From: Zulis@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Marvin 1 - Smer tripe 0 Message-ID: <8c4a1a30.24b8b1de@aol.com> Shane writes: << Books are the bane of this hobby. When not taking me away from the workbench, or adding to the amount that "needs" to be done to get things "right" they're more dagerous than the Lufstreitkrafte. >> I told the list about my disaster when it happened and, as someone on the list correctly pointed out, if I am going to have one of my models flattened, at least it was done by a good Harleyford. << Case in point, my first "scratchbuilt" aircraft in 1/48, a DH-2 which used only the much modified gondola from the SMER kit, struck down in its prime by Volume 1 of the Encyclopedia Brittannica. Now I could understand it had it been, for example, a red Fokker, but this f*kker was British. >> Are you sure yours isnt the Encyclopedia Germanica in disguise? :-) DZ ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 1696 **********************