WWI Digest 1690 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Some OT (lit.)books, was Re: Unpopularity of WWI Subjects.. Why? by Ernest Thomas 2) Re: Eyewitness books wasRe: Unpopularity of WWI Subjects... Why? by Ernest Thomas 3) Re: Some OT (lit.)books, was Re: Unpopularity of WWI Subjects.. Why? by Albatrosdv@aol.com 4) Re: Some OT (lit.)books, was Re: Unpopularity of WWI Subjects.. Why? by Albatrosdv@aol.com 5) Re: Unpopularity of WWI Subjects... Why? by Albatrosdv@aol.com 6) Re: Unpopularity of WWI Subjects. Why? by Albatrosdv@aol.com 7) shake the box stringbags by Ernest Thomas 8) Re: Unpopularity of WWI Subjects... Why? by Albatrosdv@aol.com 9) Re: shake the box stringbags by Albatrosdv@aol.com 10) Re: Unpopularity of WWI Subjects... Why? by "Bob Pearson" 11) Re: Some OT (lit.)books, was Re: Unpopularity of WWI Subjects.. Why? by Bill Bacon 12) RE: New web goodies by "Diego Fernetti" 13) They Fought for the Sky by Suvoroff@aol.com 14) Escallops... by Suvoroff@aol.com 15) Re: HiTech Breguet by Suvoroff@aol.com 16) Re: Unpopularity of WWI Subjects... Why? by Matthew E Bittner 17) Re: Unpopularity of WWI Subjects... Why? by Matthew E Bittner 18) Re: Unpopularity of WWI Subjects... Why? by Matthew E Bittner 19) Re: Unpopularity of WWI Subjects... Why? by Matthew E Bittner 20) Re: Unpopularity of WWI Subjects... Why? by Matthew E Bittner 21) Re: HiTech Breguet by Matthew E Bittner 22) Re: Escallops... by Matthew E Bittner 23) Re: Magazine questions by pedro 24) Re: Unpopularity of WWI Subjects... Why? by Shane & Lorna Jenkins 25) RE: tauro metal figures by "Diego Fernetti" 26) RE: Unpopularity of WWI Subjects... Why? by "Diego Fernetti" 27) Re: They Fought for the Sky by Ernest Thomas 28) Re: Some OT (lit.)books, was Re: Unpopularity of WWI Subjects.. Why? by Ernest Thomas 29) Re: Unpopularity of WWI Subjects... Why? by "Paul Schwartzkopf" 30) Re: Unpopularity of WWI Subjects. Why? by "Paul Schwartzkopf" 31) RE: Unpopularity of WWI Subjects... Why? by "Diego Fernetti" 32) Web stuff again by Allan Wright 33) Re: Unpopularity of WWI Subjects... Why? by "David Vosburgh" 34) Re: Web stuff again by "Paul Schwartzkopf" 35) Re: Burgess Dunne by "Bill Neill" 36) Re: Escallops... by "Lance Krieg" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 00:57:20 -0500 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Some OT (lit.)books, was Re: Unpopularity of WWI Subjects.. Why? Message-ID: <37843DC0.14C2@bellsouth.net> KarrArt@aol.com wrote: > BUT.....Years of the Sky Kings was one of the first books I read after > getting the WW I bug, and was quite an enthralling work to my 12 year old > mind. Then I'm sure my 12 year old mind will be enthralled as well. :) E. Just put lg struts on the N.17. Progress! Bugger being on time for work, time to crank up The Ramones! ONETWOTHREEFOUR... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 01:01:14 -0500 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Eyewitness books wasRe: Unpopularity of WWI Subjects... Why? Message-ID: <37843EAA.FF7@bellsouth.net> KarrArt@aol.com wrote: > Somehwere in this batch of mail, EtH has the publisher listed. DK. Dorling-Kindersley (not Dead Kennedy's). Pretty popular stuff. Should be available at any McBooks chain(B&N, Borders, etc...) as well as any good shop that specializes in kids books. E. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 02:18:22 EDT From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Some OT (lit.)books, was Re: Unpopularity of WWI Subjects.. Why? Message-ID: In a message dated 99-07-07 23:38:22 EDT, you write: << First one is; 'Years of the Sky Kings', by Archibald Whitehouse. 2nd; 'They Fought for the Skys' by Quentin somebody? 3rd; 'Full Circle- tactics of Air Fighting 1914 to 1964' 4th; 'Fighting Airmen' by Charles Biddle. >> All good reads! Arch Whitehouse was a journalist who knew many of the men he wrote about. Ditto for Quentin Reynolds who wrote "They fought for the sky," one of the first hardbound books I bought as a child. "Full Circle" is by James E. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 02:21:19 EDT From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Some OT (lit.)books, was Re: Unpopularity of WWI Subjects.. Why? Message-ID: <7614d261.24b59d5f@aol.com> In a message dated 99-07-07 23:38:22 EDT, you write: << First one is; 'Years of the Sky Kings', by Archibald Whitehouse. 2nd; 'They Fought for the Skys' by Quentin somebody? 3rd; 'Full Circle- tactics of Air Fighting 1914 to 1964' 4th; 'Fighting Airmen' by Charles Biddle. >> Sorry for the incomplete prior post - blame it on Olde Fumblefingers. Arch Whitehouse was a journalist who knew many of the men he wrote about, the same for Quentin Reynolds who wrote "They Fought For The Sky," which was the first hardbound airplane book I ever bought as a kid. "Full Circle" is by James E. "Johnny" Johnson, British WW2 ace and later Air Vice Marshal - deals with how fighter pilots have had to learn over the years that Boelcke got it right the first time. Biddle was a pilot in WW1. My recommendation is buy 'em all. Tom Cleaver ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 02:27:07 EDT From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Unpopularity of WWI Subjects... Why? Message-ID: <5fbf8bcc.24b59ebb@aol.com> In a message dated 99-07-08 00:00:13 EDT, you write: << Isn't Accurate Miniatures having some similar problems on another kit? A >> A-M's rigging on the F3F's works perfectly. However, anyone familiar with the type will know it is almost "no rigging" in comparison to the average WW1 model, which is one reason why they chose it to try and re-launch biplanes in the mainstream. Tom Cleaver ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 02:36:21 EDT From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Unpopularity of WWI Subjects. Why? Message-ID: <6e4028b9.24b5a0e5@aol.com> In a message dated 99-07-08 01:40:49 EDT, you write: << Sam's Club (a large discount membership department store chain in the US) had these by the ton last Christmas, and it looked like they sold! >> Perhaps the conspiracy is already underway... who knows what future WW1 modelers now lurk out there... :-) Tom C ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 01:39:57 -0500 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: shake the box stringbags Message-ID: <378447BD.4093@bellsouth.net> Ward Cleaver wrote; A-M's rigging on the F3F's works perfectly. However, anyone familiar with the type will know it is almost "no rigging" in comparison to the average WW1 model, which is one reason why they chose it to try and re-launch biplanes in the mainstream. So aside from trying to work out PE rigging(yick!) what's the latest on the Tamiya Swordfish? E. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 02:40:47 EDT From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Unpopularity of WWI Subjects... Why? Message-ID: In a message dated 99-07-08 01:55:48 EDT, you write: << << My son would wet himself over something with pirates AND biplanes! Shane >> Heck, I would wet myself over somethiong with pirates and biplanes! Robert K. >> Too bad a movie I was asked to write a few years ago didn't get going. Modern day pirates in the Caribbean, and they were to use an airplane for spotting the victims, and I was thinking of a modern Great Lakes, which no one would consider "dangerous". There you'd have it - pirates *and* biplanes. Tom C ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 03:01:33 EDT From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: shake the box stringbags Message-ID: In a message dated 99-07-08 02:42:32 EDT, you write: << So aside from trying to work out PE rigging(yick!) what's the latest on the Tamiya Swordfish? E. >> According to Scott at HLJ, they expect it in October. Tom C ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 00:03:02 -0700 From: "Bob Pearson" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Unpopularity of WWI Subjects... Why? Message-ID: <199907080714.AAA12628@mail.rapidnet.net> Shane writes. . > >> > << I put my interest down firmly to the influence of >> W.E.Johns - Biggles, Algy, Ginger et al - >> > >> who? honestly I never saw any of these until after I got an >> interest in ww1 > > I think I got a Biggles book (or more than one) every Christmas or birthday > for about 5 years. It *astonished* me when former list member Tom Eisenhour > told me he'd developed an interest in WW1 aviation without ever seeing one. I have spent 34 years without ever seeing a Biggles book. . I do have the movie though. Bob ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 01:38:05 -0500 From: Bill Bacon To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Some OT (lit.)books, was Re: Unpopularity of WWI Subjects.. Why? Message-ID: <3784474C.B1A2D146@Netjava.net> E! I have them all. Whitehouse should be taken ewith a grain (large size) of salt. Reynolds it fairly reliable. Johnny Johnson of WW2 fave knows what he is talking about and Biddle's book is an autobiography. I expect that now is the time to say how I got interested in WW1 aviation and land war. It was the natural off shoot of having a father and a couple of cousins that flew in it. Having been born in 1923, the Great War was not in the dim dark past. As a child, I met many of the New England Aviators although I don't remember that much. My fathewr was also a member of the Earl Birds and I have the plaque for the 60th aniverxsary of hi solo flight. Unfortunately he never sawas he died one month before he was to receive it. All of his photos were burned in a fire in the thirty's. I have some special interests in WW2 but as I was an active participant, what's to learn? HTH Cheers, Bill B. Ernest Thomas wrote: > Since this thread has turned towards books, I was wondering if anyone > could comment on a few books I found in the used shop today. > First one is; > 'Years of the Sky Kings', by Archibald Whitehouse. > 2nd; > 'They Fought for the Skys' by Quentin somebody? > 3rd; > 'Full Circle- tactics of Air Fighting 1914 to 1964' > 4th; > 'Fighting Airmen' by Charles Biddle. > > I'm enjoying 'No Parachute' so much that I want to have something else > lined up when I'm done with it. Has anyone read any of these? The prices > can't be beat($2.00 to $2.50US, with the Biddle book being $10.00hc). > There's also a copy of 'Fighting the Flying Circus' for $2.50 if anyone > wants it, lmk. I already have that one. > There's some other OT stuff on the shelf that I didn't have time to look > at. One that did catch my eye was 'How I fooled the Hun' or something > like that. A book about a captured flyers escape from Hunland. > There's also a goodly amount of OT stuff on the ground war if anyone's > interested. Again, LMK. > If anyone can give a thumbs up or down on any of these titles, I would > be most grateful. Thanks. > E. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 06:56:47 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: Subject: RE: New web goodies Message-ID: <006401bec85f$073c6740$4640a8c0@prens-001.ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Not bald yet, but ROTFL! D. -----Mensaje original----- De: Pedro e Francisca Soares Para: Multiple recipients of list Fecha: Miércoles, 07 de Julio de 1999 07:05 p.m. Asunto: Re: New web goodies >Diego wrote: > >> Pedro, a confirmation of the rule of the facial hair in WW1 modeller. Should >> I have to buy a fake beard? >> >> > >Only after becoming 80% bald (i'm attaining the 50% mark). As such >you'll be sure you'll never run out of rigging monofilament. > >Um abraco Diego > >Pedro > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 06:12:16 EDT From: Suvoroff@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: They Fought for the Sky Message-ID: <64ee7edd.24b5d380@aol.com> By Quentin Reynolds. This is one of the three major influences on my WWI bent. Not current scholarship, but a great read. Another is the old comic (can't remember the title) on The Hammer of Hell, the Baron Von Hammer, who flew (what else?) a red triplane. And finally a book entitled _Great Tales of World War One_ or some such, with stories about Sgt. York, Luckner, and of course Barker. While books by the likes of Flying Machines Press or Grubb Street are very useful to the informed, somebody ought to write a ripping - but more accurate - history of The Great War in the Air. Yours, James D. Gray ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 06:14:55 EDT From: Suvoroff@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Escallops... Message-ID: Does anybody out there have a suggestion about cutting even, correctly spaced scallops in the trailing wire edge of a wing? This defeated me on my Caudron but I do not want it to defeat me again. Yours, James D. Gray ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 06:18:16 EDT From: Suvoroff@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: HiTech Breguet Message-ID: Could one of those who have bought a new Hi-Tech Breguet XIV comment on the cockpit detail? Would the instruction sheet and a view of the parts provide a useful guide for detailing a 1/72nd scale cockpit? Yours, James D. Gray ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 04:54:51 -0500 From: Matthew E Bittner To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Unpopularity of WWI Subjects... Why? Message-ID: <19990708.052301.-7381.0.mbittner@juno.com> On Wed, 7 Jul 1999 22:24:13 -0400 (EDT) Shane Weier writes: > No doubt the fear is intensified by the example set. I'd be afraid > too if I > thought I had to cut the wings into 10 pieces first and *then* try > and get > them all aligned ;-) :-P`````` ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 05:12:01 -0500 From: Matthew E Bittner To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Unpopularity of WWI Subjects... Why? Message-ID: <19990708.052302.-7381.5.mbittner@juno.com> On Wed, 7 Jul 1999 23:58:51 -0400 (EDT) Brent & Tina Theobald writes: > Brent (who is off to shoot the Snipe!) Is this some new form of Snipe hunting we did in the past? :-) Matt Bittner http://www.geocities.com/~ipmsfortcrook http://www.discoveromaha.com/community/groups/plasticmodelers/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 05:02:06 -0500 From: Matthew E Bittner To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Unpopularity of WWI Subjects... Why? Message-ID: <19990708.052301.-7381.2.mbittner@juno.com> On Wed, 7 Jul 1999 23:21:44 -0400 (EDT) Shane Weier writes: > It *astonished* me when former list member Tom Eisenhour > told me he'd developed an interest in WW1 aviation without ever > seeing one. FWIW, I still have yet to see one. Matt Bittner http://www.geocities.com/~ipmsfortcrook http://www.discoveromaha.com/community/groups/plasticmodelers/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 04:58:24 -0500 From: Matthew E Bittner To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Unpopularity of WWI Subjects... Why? Message-ID: <19990708.052301.-7381.1.mbittner@juno.com> On Wed, 7 Jul 1999 22:37:16 -0400 (EDT) "David Vosburgh" writes: > (Hobbycraft Bishop N.17 at the moment - > scale's wrong, but his > heart's in the right place, Matt) Hey, there is no "right" or "wrong" scale when trying to get kids into the hobby. Let them grab ahold of something themselves, and it will make it that much better. Heck, when I was younger I treaded down the Dark Path and built all those cool Monogram kits with dropping bombs, folding landing gear, etc. Then I saw the Light Side... :-) Matt Bittner http://www.geocities.com/~ipmsfortcrook http://www.discoveromaha.com/community/groups/plasticmodelers/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 05:08:08 -0500 From: Matthew E Bittner To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Unpopularity of WWI Subjects... Why? Message-ID: <19990708.052302.-7381.4.mbittner@juno.com> On Wed, 7 Jul 1999 23:35:10 -0400 (EDT) KarrArt@aol.com writes: > My interest in WW I aviation was charged up during the mid-60's when > all the > 50th anniversary folderol was happen'. I built an Aurora D.VII in > the 50's > but I didn't know what it was, I just thought it was a neat looking > model. I was turned on to WW1 on a lark. I too was becoming bored with the 1/48th jets I was working on, so I went "in search of" at a local hobby store. First I saw the Supermodel Fiat Cr.32 (I think) and bought that, which turned me onto bipes. Later, I went back to the same hobby store, paged through the Harleyford fighters book, bought it, and the rest is history. My first WW1 model was an Airfix Albatros D.V (which I didn't correct, but decked out the cockpit) which happily took first at the 1989 Regional (Hustad wasn't around then ;-)). First place still alludes me, thanks to Hustad an other mitigating circumstances... Matt Bittner http://www.geocities.com/~ipmsfortcrook http://www.discoveromaha.com/community/groups/plasticmodelers/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 05:25:47 -0500 From: Matthew E Bittner To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: HiTech Breguet Message-ID: <19990708.052551.-7381.9.mbittner@juno.com> On Thu, 8 Jul 1999 06:19:40 -0400 (EDT) Suvoroff@aol.com writes: > Could one of those who have bought a new Hi-Tech Breguet XIV comment > on the > cockpit detail? Would the instruction sheet and a view of the parts > provide > a useful guide for detailing a 1/72nd scale cockpit? Hear, here!! Matt Bittner http://www.geocities.com/~ipmsfortcrook http://www.discoveromaha.com/community/groups/plasticmodelers/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 05:25:31 -0500 From: Matthew E Bittner To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Escallops... Message-ID: <19990708.052551.-7381.8.mbittner@juno.com> On Thu, 8 Jul 1999 06:14:50 -0400 (EDT) Suvoroff@aol.com writes: > Does anybody out there have a suggestion about cutting even, > correctly spaced > scallops in the trailing wire edge of a wing? This defeated me on > my Caudron > but I do not want it to defeat me again. I have done it two ways. I have a set of "X-Acto Miniature Needle Files" which contains a round file. Plus I also have taped/glued a piece of sandpaper to a toothpick. HTH. Matt Bittner http://www.geocities.com/~ipmsfortcrook http://www.discoveromaha.com/community/groups/plasticmodelers/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 11:19:44 +0100 From: pedro To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Magazine questions Message-ID: <37847B40.3488E2C0@mail.telepac.pt> Matthew E Bittner wrote: > I know there's a site for Avions, but I can't find the URL. Help? > > What about Wing Masters and Replic - any sites for those? TIA! > > Matt Bittner > http://www.geocities.com/~ipmsfortcrook > http://www.discoveromaha.com/community/groups/plasticmodelers/index.html Avions - www.lela.com, IIRC HTH Pedro ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 20:44:34 +1000 From: Shane & Lorna Jenkins To: WW1 posts Subject: Re: Unpopularity of WWI Subjects... Why? Message-ID: <37848112.3EF80EF7@tac.com.au> Hi all, Coming late to the thread as per usual ;-). I don't really think that the complexity (debatable) of WW1 Aero kits has all that much do with it as much as interest in these kits do. The main interest in modelling seems to focus around WWII & beyond. WW1 is now 80+ years in the past, while WW2 & beyond is only up to 60 odd years ago. Maybe we all need to spread the word a bit better that WW1 modelling(& not just aero), isn't all that hard & can be enjoyable. Whilst speaking as a ship modeller, there's not that much difference in skill level between a WW1 era ship & those that came after(manufactures aside). The same goes for armour IMHO. In fact it could be said that WW1 armour is easier, especially with the new 1/72 Emhar kits. It again comes down to interest in the era & the manufactures taking a chance on the market for them. To say that modelers are put off by the "Masters", applies across the board & not just just WW1 modellers. It's also a bit demeaning to all the modellers out there who see such modellers as something to aspire to. As for modeller's being afraid of these kits, well maybe that's a wee bit presumptious, maybe they're just not interested. Also, like other modelling branches, people are being "told" how to model their kits & if you don't do x, y & z, it's only a toy & not a true replica. Maybe one way of encouraging new WW1 modellers is to say, hey forget about rigging, detailing, PE, etc for the moment & build them OOB & see how you go. Tell them to enjoy themselves & not go "overboard" until they get a feel for whether or not, they'd like to go further. "Remember, it's a hobby & you're supposed to enjoy it". By encouraging them like this, you may get more converts to this part of the hobby, heck it goes for all genres. Alas, I've yet to read the exploits of Biggles in the Great War. The only Biggles I've read is when he was part of the "Flying Police" & going after the evils of "hemp" ;-)). Must get around to reading them, one day. Shane - The "not as old" as the one in Brissy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 07:42:48 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: Subject: RE: tauro metal figures Message-ID: <00bb01bec865$74d94240$4640a8c0@prens-001.ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Thank you, Bill! Maybe I'll try them. Scale Link hasn't answered me since I wrote them asking for a copy of their catalog, so, this is the time for looking to these italians. regards D. -----Mensaje original----- De: Bill Bacon Para: Multiple recipients of list Fecha: Miércoles, 07 de Julio de 1999 10:48 p.m. Asunto: Re: tauro metal figures >Diego, > >I have all of them but 1,9,12,19,20,23, and 24. The castings are well doe with >fine detail and little or no flash. They are multipart with heads and arms >separate. The feet have pegs but there is no base provided. They are comprable >or better than other figures I have. AQs yet, mine are not painted. > >HTH > >Cheers, > >Bill B. > >Diego Fernetti wrote: > >> Hi list >> I've found this site http://www.karmanet.it/prontomd/inglese/taurosol.htm .. >> The descriptions seems neat, but does anyone know of their quality? I've >> seen some of these in the Squadron catalog once, but no more than a >> microscopic drawing. Does anyone attempted to build one? >> D. > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 08:21:42 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: Subject: RE: Unpopularity of WWI Subjects... Why? Message-ID: <011d01bec86a$e5c2f3c0$4640a8c0@prens-001.ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Gee, I already have the Cowboys, the Ancient Weapons and the Medieval Armours books from DK. I couldn't get the Airplanes book yet, and this on Pirates looks great too! Better detail can't be achieved in a book. D. -----Mensaje original----- De: KarrArt@aol.com Para: Multiple recipients of list Fecha: Jueves, 08 de Julio de 1999 02:54 a.m. Asunto: Re: Unpopularity of WWI Subjects... Why? >In a message dated 7/7/99 8:53:49 PM Pacific Daylight Time, >ethomas6@bellsouth.net writes: > ><< > > That was from the "Eyewitness" series. They do some pretty bold stuff- > > including pirates and vikings and all sorts of bloodthirsty goodness. > > Remarkable for a line marketed as children's books! > > Robert K. > > Yes indeed. Dorling-Kindersley iirc. Excellent books. > E. >> > > Commenting off list to another list member about these books, I told him >that I bought my own damn copy of the pirate book. Good stuff. >Robert K. > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 07:02:09 -0500 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: They Fought for the Sky Message-ID: <37849341.355@bellsouth.net> Suvoroff@aol.com wrote: > > By Quentin Reynolds. This is one of the three major influences on my > WWI bent. Not current scholarship, but a great read. Thanks. That's what I'm looking for; Great read, not scholarship. What can I say, I'm not much of a scholar. So I've been thinking about what got me into WWI a/c. It wasn't Biggles, I too have never seen one of those. I think it was when my older brother showed me a picture of a Sop.Camel when I was a wee lad. Told me that was what Snoopy flew. For a few years, every biplane I saw was a plane like Snoopy flew. E. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 07:03:15 -0500 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Some OT (lit.)books, was Re: Unpopularity of WWI Subjects.. Why? Message-ID: <37849383.5E20@bellsouth.net> Bill Bacon wrote: > I have them all. Thanks for the review. E. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 07:32:26 -0500 From: "Paul Schwartzkopf" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Unpopularity of WWI Subjects... Why? Message-ID: In my own case, I grew up listening to my Dad's stories of flying the Stearman trainer during WW2. It is these stories that helped get me hooked on biplanes (in general) and it just progressed from there. Also, with the popularity of Snoopy/red baron back then, it also inspired researching that era of aviation. I am at the point now that I believe true flying is getting the wind in your face, and my modeling tends to concentrate in that area. Most of the modelers I know tend to build those tail-burners that they knew when they were in the service. Maybe your subjects are dictated by an unconscious desire for nostalgia or childhood--hence the ridiculous prices found on Ebay! Granted, it is easier to build and paint a one-oh-(censored) model than a Sopwith Triplane. Maybe the challenge has something to do with it also. I still have not been able to talk any of the other modelers in my IPMS chapter into even trying a WW1 kit. A couple of them actually do buy the kits, but I have yet to see any of these guys build one, or any other model kit as far as that goes. BTW, I also have a distinct distaste for Luft '46, but one of these days I will get my German Air Service '19 completed ;-) Paul A. Schwartzkopf ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 07:44:30 -0500 From: "Paul Schwartzkopf" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Unpopularity of WWI Subjects. Why? Message-ID: Ah, yes--that's the trouble. When most of us were kids, what was there to do/play with? Model kits and toys. Plus, we also had to use our imaginations. Now the kids have everything handed to them by a computer or the TV, and there is no need for imagination anymore. I call it "instant gratification". ALL Models, not just WW1, take time to complete, and our society doesn't want to take the time to do something anymore. I remember building my second aircraft model, the Hawl N.17, when I was about 7--got too much glue on the landing struts. They never did set up firmly, but boy did I have fun! Paul A. Schwartzkopf >>> 07/08/1999 12:39:25 AM >>> In a message dated 7/7/99 8:47:37 PM Pacific Daylight Time, Albatrosdv@aol.com writes: << I heard from a friend that Red Baron has been re-done for Windows and a mouse, so perhaps the thing to do the next time you are buying a gift for a kid who does computer games is hunt that one down and give it to him. Never can tell... Tom >> Sam's Club (a large discount membership department store chain in the US) had these by the ton last Christmas, and it looked like they sold! Robert K. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 10:51:32 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: "WW1 modeling Mail List" Subject: RE: Unpopularity of WWI Subjects... Why? Message-ID: <000d01bec87f$d26838c0$4640a8c0@prens-001.ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> -----Mensaje original----- De: Shane & Lorna Jenkins > Hi all, > > Coming late to the thread as per usual ;-). Well, I'm later than you were. Here in the deep south the knowledge of WW1 is less than zero. General interest in aviation is less than zero. Scale modeling is growing, however, but goes with the mainstream of jets, nazi tanks and 109 thingies. I read a lot since I learned to do so, my home is full of wonderful books, and I loved airplanes since i recall. My first-ever kit at age 8 was an Airfix Albatros DV. I didn't care for what it was back then, I just picked it because i was intrigued by his shape. I dubbed it "the little fish" and even tried to rig it with sewing thread!. Building it was difficult at the time, but I had a lot of fun and keep building WW2 for some years. I returned to the hobby with a Sopwith Camel, bought I don't know why about 5 years ago. Why WW1 is so unpopular? Well, in WW1 there's no big media interest. It's a complicated war, the good ones and the bad ones weren't as defined as WW2 and that's important for the people who make motion pictures and comic books and all. Besides, it is perceived as a "sad" war, contrasting with all the superficial crap about ww2 that describes the war as a camping day killing dumb/blind/deaf germans. WW1 movies tend to the melodrama type, who's never too popular amongst male audience, who are the majority of consumers of the model market. Maybe a movie of the kind of Titanic can spur some interest, but as someone pointed before, this can be uneasy for those REALLY interested in accuracy. IMHO D. I learned to fly just the way Lilienthal and the Wrights did. Gliders! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 09:58:39 -0400 (EDT) From: Allan Wright To: wwi Subject: Web stuff again Message-ID: <199907081358.JAA13694@pease1.sr.unh.edu> More web goodies: - Experimented with a new layout for the model image galleries on the World War I Images page. - Added a new model gallery Jay Kovar's Models - Added a new photo gallery Ivan's Photos page Please let me know what you think of the new layout for the galleries. -Allan =============================================================================== Allan Wright Jr. | You fell victim to one of the 'classic' blunders! University of New Hampshire+--------------------------------------------------- Research Computing Center | WWI Modeling mailing list: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Internet: aew@unh.edu | WWI Modeling WWW Page: http://pease1.sr.unh.edu =============================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 10:15:31 -0400 From: "David Vosburgh" To: Subject: Re: Unpopularity of WWI Subjects... Why? Message-ID: <001001bec94c$56dd6540$147433cf@Pvosburg> -----Original Message----- From: Matthew E Bittner Date: Thursday, July 08, 1999 7:11 AM Subject: Re: Unpopularity of WWI Subjects... Why? Matt writes: > My first WW1 model was an Airfix Albatros D.V (which I didn't >correct You and Diego... what is it about the Albatros which got so many people into WWI modelling? The lines, I guess; it's still my favorite aeroplane. The first model I can ever recall building was an Aurora "D.Va", or was it the D.VII with the flamer on the boxtop? >First place still alludes me, >thanks to Hustad an other mitigating circumstances... Well, if you gotta get beat then there's no dishonor in getting beat by that guy. But that's O.K., Matt --- you're still No.1(:72) with us... DV (ignoring the chorus of groans from the peanut gallery while he ducks and runs) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 09:42:52 -0500 From: "Paul Schwartzkopf" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Web stuff again Message-ID: >Please let me know what you think of the new layout for the galleries. Looks great, Allan. Makes the page look much more "tidy" and professional. Plus it also ties in with the Rogues Gallery easily now. Jay--Nice touch using RB maps as "display bases" in your photos. Ivan--Any more photos to add? Great shots. To all who commented on my Nieuport 17--thanks. Now if I could only paint my figures like Ed's, and Matt--that Morane is, how should I say this....God, I hate you! ;-) (Beautiful-I need to see that one in person!) Paul A. Schwartzkopf ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 08:11:24 -0700 From: "Bill Neill" To: Subject: Re: Burgess Dunne Message-ID: <00a801bec954$29c0f560$6219c0d8@bill> Brent and Tina T got to it first! Bill Neill ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 10:07:23 -0500 From: "Lance Krieg" To: Subject: Re: Escallops... Message-ID: >>> 07/08 5:14 AM >>> Does anybody out there have a suggestion about cutting even, correctly spaced scallops in the trailing wire edge of a wing? Matt B. suggests files and sandpaper around a dowel, to which I would add: Tape a metal straightedge to the wing surface, so you don't sand/file off too much and can keep the scallops equal sized. ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 1690 **********************