WWI Digest 1687 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: see some good OT models by Albatrosdv@aol.com 2) RE: Paging through the wrong book by Shane Weier 3) Re: New web goodies by Pedro e Francisca Soares 4) Re: ot/Re: Oh oh!! I'm sorry!! by Matthew E Bittner 5) Re: Oh oh!! I'm sorry!! by Matthew E Bittner 6) Re: ot/Re: Oh oh!! I'm sorry!! by "DAVID BURKE" 7) Re: Oh oh!! I'm sorry!! by "Douglas R. Jones" 8) Magazine questions by Matthew E Bittner 9) Re: ot/Re: Oh oh!! I'm sorry!! by Matthew E Bittner 10) Re: Oh oh!! I'm sorry!! by Matthew E Bittner 11) AH AC of WWI by Matthew Zivich 12) Bigger in Texas (was see some good OT models) by Brent & Tina Theobald 13) Unpopularity of WWI Subjects... Why? by Brent & Tina Theobald 14) Re: Magazine questions by philippe.spriesterbach@ping.be (Philippe Spriesterbach) 15) RE: Unpopularity of WWI Subjects... Why? by Shane Weier 16) RE: Unpopularity of WWI Subjects... Why? by "Douglas R. Jones" 17) Re: Unpopularity of WWI Subjects... Why? by "Mark Shanks" 18) Re: Unpopularity of WWI Subjects... Why? by BEN8800@aol.com 19) RE: Meikraft Dragon C.III (was Re: Fledgling Gallery) by "Landon, James D" 20) Re: ot/Re: Oh oh!! I'm sorry!! by Mick Fauchon 21) Cutting fine brass rod and tubing by "cameron rile" 22) Re: Cutting fine brass rod and tubing by "Mark Shanks" 23) RE: Unpopularity of WWI Subjects... Why? by Shane Weier 24) RE: Cutting fine brass rod and tubing by Shane Weier 25) RE: Unpopularity of WWI Subjects... Why? by John & Allison Cyganowski 26) Re: Unpopularity of WWI Subjects... Why? by "David R.L. Laws" 27) New Sopwith book by Davis by "Charles and Linda Duckworth" 28) RE: Unpopularity of WWI Subjects... Why? by Shane Weier 29) Re: Cutting fine brass rod and tubing by "David R.L. Laws" 30) Re: Unpopularity of WWI Subjects... Why? by Zulis@aol.com 31) Re: Unpopularity of WWI Subjects... Why? by "David R.L. Laws" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 16:29:11 EDT From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: see some good OT models Message-ID: <6615260.24b51297@aol.com> Ken Goodman has posted photos of the models from Squadron Scalefest. Turns out they don't just make 'em bigger in Texas - also smaller: hidden among all the off-topics is a really beautiful 1/72 Flashback Voisin, fully rigged, and a really nice 1/48 DML Fokker D.VII. Check it all out at http://www.kgwings.com/ 50,000 square feet filled with some damn good models. Tom Cleaver ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 07:17:52 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Paging through the wrong book Message-ID: <65C968E11318D311B0BD0060B06865CD041190@mimhexch.mim.com.au> Cyg, > > Ha! As if you Australians needed any excuses to have a drink! ;-) > Exactly. *Any* excuse. ;-) Cheers (slurp) Shane ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Jul 1999 22:44:00 +0100 From: Pedro e Francisca Soares To: WW1 modeling list Subject: Re: New web goodies Message-ID: <3783CA20.7D78D3A@mail.telepac.pt> Diego wrote: > Pedro, a confirmation of the rule of the facial hair in WW1 modeller. Should > I have to buy a fake beard? > > Only after becoming 80% bald (i'm attaining the 50% mark). As such you'll be sure you'll never run out of rigging monofilament. Um abraco Diego Pedro ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 16:54:11 -0500 From: Matthew E Bittner To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: ot/Re: Oh oh!! I'm sorry!! Message-ID: <19990707.165508.-109399.1.mbittner@juno.com> On Wed, 7 Jul 1999 14:29:35 -0400 (EDT) "DAVID BURKE" writes: > My little Siemens-Schuckert D.IV was purchased 2 years ago and still > is > unfinished. Maybe today.... Ha! That's only a day in some of our books. ;-) Matt Bittner http://www.geocities.com/~ipmsfortcrook http://www.discoveromaha.com/community/groups/plasticmodelers/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 16:51:54 -0500 From: Matthew E Bittner To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Oh oh!! I'm sorry!! Message-ID: <19990707.165508.-109399.0.mbittner@juno.com> On Wed, 7 Jul 1999 12:19:09 -0400 (EDT) "Landon, James D" writes: > Oh good. Maybe then my stupid Tommy won't get the booby prize for > "longest > time ever taken to build a model airplane". You're probably not even close. ;-) Matt Bittner http://www.geocities.com/~ipmsfortcrook http://www.discoveromaha.com/community/groups/plasticmodelers/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 16:57:32 -0500 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: ot/Re: Oh oh!! I'm sorry!! Message-ID: <001901bec8c3$b8629940$3530c0d1@dora9sprynet.com> > >> My little Siemens-Schuckert D.IV was purchased 2 years ago and still >> is >> unfinished. Maybe today.... > >Ha! That's only a day in some of our books. ;-) > > >Matt Bittner Yah, but I bet that they're little, teeny books with itty-bitty writing! Dave Happy Day, oh happy day ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Jul 1999 17:07:36 -0500 From: "Douglas R. Jones" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Oh oh!! I'm sorry!! Message-ID: <199907072208.RAA16288@deimos.iex.com> At 05:56 PM 7/7/99 -0400, you wrote: >> Oh good. Maybe then my stupid Tommy won't get the booby prize for >> "longest >> time ever taken to build a model airplane". > >You're probably not even close. ;-) Nope. I have a 1/6 Nie-17 that is covered and awaiting paint etc. This project is at least 3 years old! My 1/6 SE5a is about 2.5 years old! Doug ---------------------------------------------------------- 'I am a traveler of |   Douglas R. Jones    both Time and Space' |   IEX Corporation         Led Zeppelin |   (972)301-1307 voice |   (800)545-2463 pager |   djones@iex.com email ---------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 17:10:06 -0500 From: Matthew E Bittner To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Magazine questions Message-ID: <19990707.171006.-163871.0.mbittner@juno.com> I know there's a site for Avions, but I can't find the URL. Help? What about Wing Masters and Replic - any sites for those? TIA! Matt Bittner http://www.geocities.com/~ipmsfortcrook http://www.discoveromaha.com/community/groups/plasticmodelers/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 17:10:50 -0500 From: Matthew E Bittner To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: ot/Re: Oh oh!! I'm sorry!! Message-ID: <19990707.171117.-163871.1.mbittner@juno.com> On Wed, 7 Jul 1999 18:01:13 -0400 (EDT) "DAVID BURKE" writes: > Yah, but I bet that they're little, teeny books with itty-bitty > writing! But some of us can see! :-) Matt Bittner http://www.geocities.com/~ipmsfortcrook http://www.discoveromaha.com/community/groups/plasticmodelers/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 17:11:13 -0500 From: Matthew E Bittner To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Oh oh!! I'm sorry!! Message-ID: <19990707.171118.-163871.2.mbittner@juno.com> On Wed, 7 Jul 1999 18:09:23 -0400 (EDT) "Douglas R. Jones" writes: > Nope. I have a 1/6 Nie-17 that is covered and awaiting paint etc. > This > project is at least 3 years old! My 1/6 SE5a is about 2.5 years old! BAH! Next? Matt Bittner http://www.geocities.com/~ipmsfortcrook http://www.discoveromaha.com/community/groups/plasticmodelers/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 18:20:23 -0400 (EDT) From: Matthew Zivich To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: AH AC of WWI Message-ID: I just got a copy of the Grosz, Haddow, Schiemer book "A.H. A.C. of WWI" through the interlibrary loan system and it's a marvelous book. However I spotted a couple of mistakes already. On page 255 there's a photo of Alb. D-III Oeffag, 153.140 clearly with an AH style upper wing radiator, whereas on page 482 there's an illus. of the same plane with a German style overflow tower. The same is true of Alb. D-III Oeffag, 253.64 on page 258 compared to its rendering on page 502. As a list member, I should probably place a slip of paper noting the errors in this volume before sending it back, thereby giving it an authoritative imprimatur. Matt Z. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Jul 1999 17:18:53 -0700 From: Brent & Tina Theobald To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Bigger in Texas (was see some good OT models) Message-ID: <3783EE6D.A8859D31@airmail.net> Hey gang! > Turns > out they don't just make 'em bigger in Texas - also smaller: hidden among all > the off-topics is a really beautiful 1/72 Flashback Voisin, fully rigged, and > a really nice 1/48 DML Fokker D.VII. Those were all nice. The place was loaded with great models. A little weak in the WWI area. > Check it all out at http://www.kgwings.com/ > > 50,000 square feet filled with some damn good models. I agree. Ya'll should have been here. It was a good time. (He didn't include any pics of the vendor area either. It was awesome!) Come by next year for the Nationals. My very large (and ot) 1/32 Tu-22 Backfire will be there. Brent ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Jul 1999 17:27:17 -0700 From: Brent & Tina Theobald To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Unpopularity of WWI Subjects... Why? Message-ID: <3783F065.90030F7A@airmail.net> I got to thinking about the lack of WWI subjects at the shows I have attended. Why is that? Are people afraid of rigging? Is the construction of biplanes perceived to be that much harder? I know some of the subjects are relatively obscure, but no more so than some of the goofy Luft '46 stuff coming out of Eastern Europe. What do ya'll think? Brent ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Jul 1999 22:31:49 GMT From: philippe.spriesterbach@ping.be (Philippe Spriesterbach) To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Magazine questions Message-ID: <3783d36a.20731766@relay.ping.be> On Wed, 7 Jul 1999 18:12:43 -0400 (EDT), you wrote: >I know there's a site for Avions, but I can't find the URL. Help? >What about Wing Masters and Replic - any sites for those? TIA! Dear Matt, In my knowledge, her is no site for Avions, just an E.mail box : lela.presse@wanadoo.fr . WingMasters and Replic hane no site and no E.mail Best Regards -- Philippe Spriesterbach One of the (numerous) Mad Scratchbuilders http://www.ping.be/phillipe_models/ philippe.spriesterbach@ping.be IPMS Belgium Member #F015 IPMS Brussels Secretary ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 08:42:05 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Unpopularity of WWI Subjects... Why? Message-ID: <65C968E11318D311B0BD0060B06865CD041191@mimhexch.mim.com.au> Brent, > I got to thinking about the lack of WWI subjects at the shows I have > attended. Why is that? Are people afraid of rigging? Is the > construction > of biplanes perceived to be that much harder? This is one of our old favourites, but always worth a rethink. I notice that my local model shop sells *lots* of Eduard and (now) Toko WW1 kits, yet for ages I'd seen very few actually *built* models. I sort of wondered if people were buying them and then being intimidated by the contents - brass, shortrun, need for rigging and all that. However, ask *any* serious modeller what percentage of his models get built and the relatively small output of WW1 stuff is not different from what happens with WW2 and modern. I'm also President of the committee organising our major model show for this state, and have been a committee member for 4 years. Over that period I've seen the contest grow and something important happen. In the *first* of those years my two WW1 subjects were the only ones. In the second, I'd been joined by two other builders. By last year the WW1 subjects outnumbered the WW2 subjects in 1/72, and also formed a significant proportion of the 1/48 models. *Maybe* things are cahnging, or at least WW1 is enjoying a brief fad period. In any case,this years show is only 6 or 7 weeks away and I'll have another point in my longtitudinal survey. > > I know some of the subjects are relatively obscure, but no > more so than some of the goofy Luft '46 stuff coming out of Eastern Europe. > Yeah, AND the WW1 ones even actually existed ;-) Shane ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Jul 1999 17:49:37 -0500 From: "Douglas R. Jones" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: RE: Unpopularity of WWI Subjects... Why? Message-ID: <199907072250.RAA18336@deimos.iex.com> At 06:42 PM 7/7/99 -0400, Shane wrote: This is one of our old favourites, but always worth a rethink. I notice that >my local model shop sells *lots* of Eduard and (now) Toko WW1 kits, yet for >ages I'd seen very few actually *built* models. I sort of wondered if people >were buying them and then being intimidated by the contents - brass, >shortrun, need for rigging and all that. However, ask *any* serious modeller >what percentage of his models get built and the relatively small output of >WW1 stuff is not different from what happens with WW2 and modern. This is true across all facets of modeling. The R/C community certainly suffers (if you can call it that) from the same malady. Many more kits are bought than ever show up at the field. Not only scale models but sport models as well. In fact, perhaps, it is worse in the R/C world where you can buy what is essentially a model that just needs the major components assembled to be ready to fly. Less than 10 hours in most cases. >models. *Maybe* things are cahnging, or at least WW1 is enjoying a brief >fad period. In any case,this years show is only 6 or 7 weeks away and I'll >have another point in my longtitudinal survey. A good friend of mine claims that these things run in cycles. He imported a line of WWI R/C sport scale kits. He saw the popularity run in cycles. Based on the contests that are published in the magazines it would seem that WWI models are gaining favor again! Perhaps, this is also true for the static models? Doug ---------------------------------------------------------- 'I am a traveler of |   Douglas R. Jones    both Time and Space' |   IEX Corporation         Led Zeppelin |   (972)301-1307 voice |   (800)545-2463 pager |   djones@iex.com email ---------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 16:10:30 -0700 From: "Mark Shanks" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Unpopularity of WWI Subjects... Why? Message-ID: <199907072319.QAA21938@elvis.fltdyn.com> Brent Theobald asks: > I got to thinking about the lack of WWI subjects at the shows I have > attended. Why is that? Are people afraid of rigging? Is the construction > of biplanes perceived to be that much harder? > > I know some of the subjects are relatively obscure, but no more so than > some of the goofy Luft '46 stuff coming out of Eastern Europe. > > What do ya'll think? First - I HATE that goofy Luft '46 fad. Blech. Now - WWI aircraft are very popular with the viewers. My wife absolutely LOVES anything WWI that I do - I even get to display them in the living room (instead of being banished to my "model room"). But why are the tables relatively barren of examples of this attractive branch of modeling? You may as well as why there aren't more frigates, clippers, brigs, and other representatives of the days of rum, sodomy, and the lash. Because, friends, they are esoteric, relatively difficult, and are as alien to anyone under 40 as the glyptodon. Even though WWI aircraft modelers have never had it as good as they do today, there is still no competition when it comes to the neophyte walking into ye olde hobby shoppe and making an impulse buy. Young Master Baggadonutz is going to buy what he saw on the evening news, preferably with a honking great complement of missiles and bombs hanging underneath, thank you. Let's face it - WWI modelling is an acquired taste, and a rarified one at that. You can go to the bookstore and get all fired up about fighter combat on the Eastern Front, or over Thud Ridge, the Yalu Valley, or Desert Storm. But there's just not much in the way of ripping yarns about the Siemens Schuckert D III, and the average slow coach John Q. Public can't tell the difference between a Camel and a Fokker D VII. Faced with a wall full of Toko and Eduard kits of weird-looking bipes and tripes, most of which look as though some demented giant spider had taken up residence between the wings, the average modeler with the closet full of unbuilt kits is forced to think "what the...? Could I ever finish THAT?!?! N'yahhhh - I think I'll get another 109/190/Spit/Jug/Phantom/MiG - shoot, I already HAVE all the reference material I need for those, and I won't have to scrounge around for that weird five-colo(u)r lozenge stuff, or monofiliment, and, well, dammit, Jim, life's just too short! Besides, what have I ever read/heard about the darned things? "Blue Max" - that's about it. What did Snoopy fly? Ahhhh - fuggetabouddit...." That SAME modeler will, every time, gaze in awe (and envy) at the Muromets on the competition table, but will NOT feel compelled to emulate said project. I'd say things are at an all-time high for WWI modelers, but it always be a bit of an elitist side-line of modeling, in the same way that dry-fly fishing is to Joe Sixpack's trawling the lake or classical music is to Top 40. Ask the wooden ship modelers what THEY think - they're another step up on that big Tom Wolfe pyramid of modelling's "Right Stuff".... Just MY thoughts - YMMV Mark mshanks@fltdyn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 19:23:18 EDT From: BEN8800@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Unpopularity of WWI Subjects... Why? Message-ID: In a message dated 7/7/99 6:30:56 PM Eastern Daylight Time, theobat1@airmail.net writes: << I got to thinking about the lack of WWI subjects at the shows I have attended. Why is that? Are people afraid of rigging? Is the construction of biplanes perceived to be that much harder? >> What I think, and I am a long standing professional modeler, is the damn things are too small. The only decent WW1 subjects that I feel are really of a size to be viewed with ah is 1:28 - 1:32. For modern WW2 aircraft, I consider even 1:48 the minimum.This is just my opinion. I have the same feeling with ships where I am an expert. I see 1:64" scale as the bottom line for old sailing ships for detail and viewing. 1:48 is better. Of the modern ships, only the 1:350 scale like the Tamaiya Enterprise Aircraft Carrier. Its just my idea of what I want to see when I look at something. How about art, like oil paintings. A large painting is much more impressive to look at in a larger scale. Now that I have said that, the real reason - kids don't relate to WW1. Too early. Same reason with ships. Kids relate to modern warships, and not to old sailing ships. So 18th century ships and WW1 planes are left to us old foggies. Ben ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Jul 1999 17:24:16 -0600 From: "Landon, James D" To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Meikraft Dragon C.III (was Re: Fledgling Gallery) Message-ID: <98B98E951BA0D1119A590000F8045A47030A2FAC@emss02m05.ems.lmco.com> <> Forgive my ignorance, but what are "Alps decals". Jim > ---------- > From: Bob Pearson > Reply To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu > Sent: Saturday, July 3, 1999 11:13 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Meikraft Dragon C.III (was Re: Fledgling Gallery) > > Dennis writes . . > > > I too have the Meikraft C.III and I really like the dragon > decal. > > I have been touching both of the kits lately. I may rob the Meikraft > > decals for the Pegasus kit. > > Dennis, > The Meikraft Dragon markings are incorrect for both sides of the aircraft. > The side that comes closet to being correct is the starboard side. But > that > depicts the Dragon as a cross with Bohme/Lademachers Dragon and > Flashar/von > Hippel's Dragon. The port side isn't a dragon, but rather a crocodile. > Check > my full-size profile of the correct 'Dragodile' at > http://pease1.sr.unh.edu/Images/Pearson/ this was on the rear cover of > OTF > 12/2 (and predates Rimell's recent effort if I may toot my own horn). > Photos > showing both sides can be seen on my website in the photo section (and for > those who recall 'the scream heard around the world' the serial is visible > on both sides of the fin). > > On the pease1 site I have the drawings I used to create the markings for > the > Dragodile in both 1/72 and 1/48 scale and Joey Valenciano has some files > of > it at his site as well for those who wish to make Alps decals of it > > Regards, > Bob Pearson > > Visit my WW1 Aviation page > http://members.xoom.com/Sopwith_5F1 > > Managing Editor / Internet Modeler > http://www.internetmodeler.com > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 09:39:03 +1000 (EST) From: Mick Fauchon To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: ot/Re: Oh oh!! I'm sorry!! Message-ID: Matt, > > My little Siemens-Schuckert D.IV was purchased 2 years ago and still > > is > > unfinished. Maybe today.... > > Ha! That's only a day in some of our books. ;-) "A thousand years is as a day, and a day as a thousand years....." Yeah, tell me about it....80) Finished hand-painting the white outline to the comets on the Nie lat night, and its all ready to go together. Hopefully over the weekend. The end of the world approacheth....80) Mick. -- -- Mick Fauchon | Internet: ulmjf@dewey.newcastle.edu.au Client Services,IESD, Auchmuty Library| Ph. (intl+61+49) 218622 University of Newcastle, AUSTRALIA | Fax (intl+61+49) 215833 MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM M M M Tasmanian Devil: "#@%!&^*%%...!#@!&**%^@@#$#-+*+*&##@...!!" M M M M Yosemite Sam : "Cut out that Army talk!..Yer in the Navy now!" M M M MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 19:29:46 -0300 From: "cameron rile" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Cutting fine brass rod and tubing Message-ID: <199907071631353@cameron.prontomail.com> I have been trying to cut thin brass rod and tubing and havent worked out a method or a tool that will do it cleanly, crimping crimps the edges, a knife didnt get through it, and I bought a tool which rolls the tube along rollers and across a cutting blade, but it is too large. I also tried to hacksaw but the brass tube ended up looking like my wrists if I tried to cut them with a sharp watermelon. What is the technique or tool for cutting rod and tubing without excess crimping or scaring? (on a positive note my cast finally came out, couldn't find a local dental supplies store but used some terracotta style material, which hardened accurately ) cam AFC page at : http://members.xoom.com/PointCook/index.htm ______________________________________________________________ Get Your Free E-mail and Homepage at http://www.prontomail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 16:31:09 -0700 From: "Mark Shanks" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Cutting fine brass rod and tubing Message-ID: <199907072339.QAA22389@elvis.fltdyn.com> Cameron Rile asks: > What is the technique or tool for cutting rod and tubing without > excess crimping or scaring? I use a Dremel tool and a cut-off wheel. Get a pair of safety goggles, and work in your lap with an old T-shirt to catch the cut-off part. Finish the end with the face of the cut-off wheel or another (finer grit) bit. (I've done this with hypodermic needles - real dare-devil stuff.) Rod's easier. Use a dead-sharp knife and roll the rod under it on a sheet of glass. If the rod is too thick to make this practical, you're back in Dremel territory. Mark mshanks@fltdyn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 09:46:36 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Unpopularity of WWI Subjects... Why? Message-ID: <65C968E11318D311B0BD0060B06865CD041194@mimhexch.mim.com.au> Ben > Now that I have said that, the real reason - kids don't > relate to WW1. Too > early. Same reason with ships. Kids relate to modern > warships, and not to old > sailing ships. > I don't know that this is always necessarily true. It depends on other influences around them. I grew up with EE Canberras and CAC Sabres flying over my head, but built my first WW1 model at (about) age 10, and almost always chose them over more modern aircraft thereafter - a rather barren pastime when the only ones availablw were the airfixes and (rarely) Revells. I put my interest down firmly to the influence of W.E.Johns - Biggles, Algy, Ginger et al - and have therefore always been....... > us old foggies. Shane ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 09:47:59 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Cutting fine brass rod and tubing Message-ID: <65C968E11318D311B0BD0060B06865CD041195@mimhexch.mim.com.au> Cam, > > What is the technique or tool for cutting rod and tubing without > excess crimping or scaring? > Cut off wheel in a Dremel or similar? Shane ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Jul 1999 20:08:37 -0400 From: John & Allison Cyganowski To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: RE: Unpopularity of WWI Subjects... Why? Message-ID: <3783EC05.1606@worldnet.att.net> Maybe because since the twenties and the Art Deco craze, we have all been taught to worship streamling from a very early age. I am more WWI oriented today than ever. Yet until I read my 1st WWI book at age 12, I really didn't care too much for WWI. My interest was piqued by that book, and an Aurora D.III, the Revell 1/28 Dr1 and an issue of "Boy's Life" I got when I was a Scout. When I saw Cole Palen's Dr1 with the face painted on the cowling and all those wild paint schemes I was hooked! I lived in New York at the time and always wanted to visit Rhinebeck, yet it took me more than 20 years to get there. My rennisance came a few years ago, when my pal and partner was reconstructing and Aurora Bebe, and I thought I would givhime some competition and built a Testors Nieuport 17 and poured in about 10 yearsa worth of technique I read about in "Finescale Modeler". I think WWI is an aquired taste. Cyg. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 11:07:32 +0000 From: "David R.L. Laws" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Unpopularity of WWI Subjects... Why? Message-ID: <37848674.18AE@webtime.com.au> BEN8800@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 7/7/99 6:30:56 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > theobat1@airmail.net writes: kids don't relate to WW1. Too early. Same reason with ships. Kids relate to modern warships, and not to old sailing ships. Well a few of have boys ( and perhaps are still b=oys ) - My dear wife loathes my obsession with a furious ( but fortuynately non-violent passion ) and cann't abide the interest the eldest ( now 5 ) is showing in "real aeroplanes" - She blames me for this - I blame my father who introducxed me the mysteries of "real aeroplanes " when I was a kid in the 60's any everyone else was building 109 thingies ! > So 18th century ships and WW1 planes are left to us old foggies. I love the ships too ! david ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 19:48:47 -0500 From: "Charles and Linda Duckworth" To: "ww1list" Subject: New Sopwith book by Davis Message-ID: <000101bec8db$dc981520$b05cdfd1@q1p5x0> Has anyone on the list purchased or seen, the new Sopwith Fighters book by Mick Davis. With Arms and Armour's softbound book covering the same subject matter, the Sopwith Camel book and all the Datafiles that have been published does it uncover anything new? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 10:47:25 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Unpopularity of WWI Subjects... Why? Message-ID: <65C968E11318D311B0BD0060B06865CD041196@mimhexch.mim.com.au> Cyg says: > I think WWI is an aquired taste. Amen to that. I spent four hours last night at a committee meeting of one of the two clubs I attend. Principle subject for discussion was the bimonthly members contest which is suffering a lack of entries after many years of high levels of member participation. We eventually homed in on an impression that the members were no longer as *involved* in the club as they once were, tending to wander in, talk to mates only and wander away again without participating in activities of any sort, including the contest. We decided to try making several of our monthly meetings "bring and build" nights, after the example of my *other* club which does so at every meeting. One committee member commented that he'd love to actually see how the hell I rig biplane, rig, and ensure alignment, because the only thing stopping him trying a WW1 aircraft after seeing mine was *knowing* it was "all too f**king hard" Going back to Cygs "acquired taste", the guy had certainly acquired an interest, and the taste might just follow if he gets a chance to sit next to me while I do those "impossible" things and ruin my street cred by showing just how simple it can be once you've seen how. Incidentally, we don't intend to do this as some sort of clinic - having tried those we find that 5 or 6 interested sould crowd around and the others wander off. The intent is just to get as many members as possible building together(even if all they do is sand a seam) and bulling about modelling. At my other club this inevitably leads to people trying something new AND being more involved with each other and the club. Shane (always ready to addict another sucker) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 11:13:54 +0000 From: "David R.L. Laws" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Cutting fine brass rod and tubing Message-ID: <378487F2.3227@webtime.com.au> Cam If no one else pipes up ( sorry !! ) cutting tube with one of those mini tube cutter wheel thingies cum- doova-lackies is the best way to go - After that it's a matter of ( yet more ) careful and gentle filing and sanding ( Yes, and we all get sick to death of that one don't we ! Scraping, sanding trimming ... ad nauseam !!!! ) - BTW - Do you know what a "V" block is ?? If you don't let me know Its's a useful/ essential tool for holding round sections when cutting or working on them regards david ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 21:13:05 EDT From: Zulis@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Unpopularity of WWI Subjects... Why? Message-ID: Shane writes: << I put my interest down firmly to the influence of W.E.Johns - Biggles, Algy, Ginger et al - >> I think Shane hits the nail on the head for many of us here - we were turned on to WWI aviation by what we read when we were younger. This then raises the question that I almost dont want to ask - where are the future modellers going to come from? I dont think that young boys today are doing much recreational reading.... Well, some of them will be the offspring of modellers, some will be inspired by the work of the masters (bowing reverently in the direction of California, the midwest, the south, South America, Europe, Australia and all points in between), some will be encouraged by the support and coaching of dedicated people like Dennis U. - but I fear this is a very small slice of the young people - perhaps too small a slice to adequately support the boom of WWI material being produced. There is so much competition for young people's time. There are fewer kids playing sandlot baseball (probably a similar effect for football/soccer elsewhere in the world), learning to play musical instruments, etc. Their dreams and fantasies resemble Luke Skywalker more than Billy Bishop (ouch). This isnt all negative - judging by the Junior class contest photos, those that are building are building well. Certainly better than I ever did, or probably will. I just wonder if there are enough of them. Perhaps a "Blue Max" type movie for this generation? I dont know... just random thoughts here.... Dave Z ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 11:33:29 +0000 From: "David R.L. Laws" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Unpopularity of WWI Subjects... Why? Message-ID: <37848C89.2ABC@webtime.com.au> Shane W wrote: One committee member commented that he'd love to actually see how the hell I rig biplane, rig, and ensure alignment, because the only thing stopping him trying a WW1 aircraft after seeing mine was *knowing* it was "all too f**king hard" Yes Obi Wan .... and what did you show him - It was the Biff right !! - Shees !!! no wonder the poor bugger was disheartened - Most of US diehards get pretty depressed by our own want of skill when faced with the 3D hard reality of a museum quality tour d' force such as you or Bob Karr produce - Seriously though ( AND the preceding IS a compliment !!! ) I suspect that youv'e got to be pretty obsessive and dedicated to do even a work-man like job on a WW 1 subject and in todays society where the "consumerist" mentality of ... " it has to be quick and it's got to be easy " .. prevails there are not too many of left who will look seriously at a non- " shake and bake - guaranteed result ! " product david ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 1687 **********************