WWI Digest 1686 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) RE: New Web Goodies by Shane Weier 2) Re: Something I Found on Ebay (Look Tom! More Crap!) by Mike Fletcher 3) Re: Something I Found on Ebay (Look Tom! More Crap!) by Ernest Thomas 4) Re: Something I Found on Ebay (Look Tom! More Crap!) by Zulis@aol.com 5) Burgess Dunne FYI by Brent & Tina Theobald 6) Re: Blacken-it by "Bill Neill" 7) Re: Burgess Dunne FYI by "Bill Neill" 8) Re: Blacken-it by Ernest Thomas 9) Re: Burgess Dunne FYI by peter crow 10) Serial numbers by Dave Watts 11) Re: Burgess Dunne FYI by Ernest Thomas 12) Re: New Web Goodies by "Bob Pearson" 13) Fokker Dr.I crossfield question by d mather 14) Re: Fokker Dr.I crossfield question by bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) 15) Smer kits for sale by "Bob Pearson" 16) RE: Blacken-it by "Diego Fernetti" 17) Re: Paging through the wrong book by John & Allison Cyganowski 18) RE: New Web Goodies by "Diego Fernetti" 19) tauro metal figures by "Diego Fernetti" 20) Re: Blacken-it by "Lance Krieg" 21) RE: OT movie for southern Californians by "Landon, James D" 22) Oh oh!! I'm sorry!! by "Landon, James D" 23) RE: Web sit update by "Landon, James D" 24) ot/Re: Oh oh!! I'm sorry!! by "DAVID BURKE" 25) EBAY by Mike Fletcher 26) RE: Web sit update by Dennis Ugulano 27) RE: ot/Re: Oh oh!! I'm sorry!! by "Landon, James D" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 12:08:55 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: New Web Goodies Message-ID: <65C968E11318D311B0BD0060B06865CD04118B@mimhexch.mim.com.au> Al, The site gets better and better. > - Added 5 images to Edward Swaim's Models on the World War I > Images page. Superb. More proof this is not an *aircraft only* coven. Now we need Shane the younger or one of the other boaties to build an OT ship for us to admire. > - Added 3 new images (1 model) to Paul Schwartzkopf's Models page. Mmmm. maybe I *should* build one of these. Nice Nieuport Paul. > - Added 1 model (Temeks 1/72nd Morane-Saulnier Type I) and 2 > additional images > (SS D-III) to Matt Bittner's Models page. Where is it? Do I need a bigger screen or just a magnifier? Seriously nice though. > - Added a new inage to the Rogues Gallery on the World War I > Images page. It's MICK ! Good grief, next we'll be seeing one of his models ;-) Shane ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 Jul 1999 19:18:58 -0700 From: Mike Fletcher To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Something I Found on Ebay (Look Tom! More Crap!) Message-ID: <3782B912.C6CC6E12@mars.ark.com> I already asked and he ignored me... Zulis@aol.com wrote: > > So... what's to lose? At worst - he says no. > > Dave Z -- Mike Fletcher ___ ., mdf@mars.ark.com |-\|^----! ; mikef@sparc.nic.bc.ca |--n--""*" icq=19554083 @ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 Jul 1999 21:22:15 -0500 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Something I Found on Ebay (Look Tom! More Crap!) Message-ID: <3782B9CB.1481@bellsouth.net> Zulis@aol.com wrote: > I've been thinking about this. I am willing to contact him if the list > would like but, frankly, I dont really collect this sort of stuff. I was only interested in the detailed drawings. They'll come in handy when I do the Tom's conversion on the Hobbycraft kit. But from what Dave says, it's a moot point. :( E. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 22:20:38 EDT From: Zulis@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Something I Found on Ebay (Look Tom! More Crap!) Message-ID: Mike advised: << I already asked and he ignored me... >> Well, if it turns out he isnt interested, there is still one more opportunity. The lucky devil / poor devil who eventually wins the auction may be looking to defray some of his costs.... DZ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 Jul 1999 22:05:12 -0700 From: Brent & Tina Theobald To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Burgess Dunne FYI Message-ID: <3782E007.138CB07B@airmail.net> Roll Models was able to track down a Scaleplanes Burgess Dunne -7 for me. Apparently someone named EP Models in the UK has the molds. One more vac to add to the growing stack! (I was a poet and didn't know it!) Gotta go, it's after ten o'clock... Brent ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 20:33:10 -0700 From: "Bill Neill" To: Subject: Re: Blacken-it Message-ID: <002401bec82a$12e60a40$6531c0d8@bill> 'Blacken it' etches metal (that's how it works). Be careful with delicate bits of photo etch, or you find them falling apart. Also, white metal parts which look fine can develop pits after treating, and if you fill the pits, 'blacken it won't work on filler... Bill Neill ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 20:37:08 -0700 From: "Bill Neill" To: Subject: Re: Burgess Dunne FYI Message-ID: <002501bec82a$1e1002e0$6531c0d8@bill> I got one, if anybody wants it? You can have it for postage. Bill Neill > Roll Models was able to track down a Scaleplanes Burgess Dunne -7 for me. > Apparently someone named EP Models in the UK has the molds. > > One more vac to add to the growing stack! > (I was a poet and didn't know it!) > > Gotta go, it's after ten o'clock... > > Brent > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 Jul 1999 22:42:58 -0500 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Blacken-it Message-ID: <3782CCC2.74F9@bellsouth.net> Bill Neill wrote: > > 'Blacken it' etches metal (that's how it works). Be careful with delicate > bits of photo etch, or you find them falling apart. Also, white metal parts > which look fine can develop pits after treating, and if you fill the pits, > 'blacken it won't work on filler... Thanks for the warning. And before I ruined those nice metal bits on the BM Pfalz D-XII to boot! E. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 20:51:38 -0700 (PDT) From: peter crow To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Burgess Dunne FYI Message-ID: <19990707035138.10786.rocketmail@web707.mail.yahoo.com> --- Bill Neill wrote: > I got one, if anybody wants it? > You can have it for postage. > Bill Neill Hello Bill.. If no ones grab it yet, I'll take it.. for postage or I could send you some News Pictorials I have from the New York Times that are from 1915.. a little old and worn, but interesting to read... P. Crow _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 Jul 1999 22:56:10 -0500 From: Dave Watts To: Subject: Serial numbers Message-ID: <199907070358.WAA85397@ind.cioe.com> Does anyone have Graham Nash's e-mail address. I wanted to get in touch with him on the serial number project he was working on, I came across some he may be interested in. The last address I had for him is listed below, and I recall that there was some discussion about his address being out of order some time ago. Graham Nash Best, Dave Watts ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 Jul 1999 23:18:00 -0500 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Burgess Dunne FYI Message-ID: <3782D4F8.2064@bellsouth.net> peter crow wrote: > If no ones grab it yet, I'll take it.. for postage > or I could send you some News Pictorials I have from > the New York Times that are from 1915.. a little old > and worn, but interesting to read... Bill, This is a good deal. These things are neat. E. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 Jul 1999 21:44:22 -0700 From: "Bob Pearson" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: New Web Goodies Message-ID: <199907070457.VAA32331@mail.rapidnet.net> >> - Added a new inage to the Rogues Gallery on the World War I >> Images page. > > It's MICK ! Good grief, next we'll be seeing one of his models ;-) Nope .. I do believe the newest one is Pedro and family . . .(must be something in the glue for all these girls in everyones families) Bob ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 Jul 1999 23:03:05 PDT From: d mather To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Fokker Dr.I crossfield question Message-ID: <19990707060306.27299.qmail@hotmail.com> Hi Gang, This email address actually works - sorry for those that were unable to get thru on the NurseGuy address. Anyone that has noted my recent questions will see that I have gone Fokker Crazy. I have bought about 10 DML Fokker Dr.1s. I am currently trying to finish Eduard von Tutschek's plane. Shane (as always) has been very helpful in supplying info, but suggests I put this question back to the list. In the early days of the Dr.1, it appears that most came from the factory with white upper wing, fuselage, and tail crossfields. The underwing crossfields were either white, or maybe left CDL to save weight. At some point, there appears to have been an order that the white was minimized. Top wing CFs appear to have been filled with OD, as well as the fuselage. There were apparantly exceptions (like MvR) that used their (special) color (like MvR's red or Jacob's black) to fill these areas. does anyone have a guess what was the practice concerning the lower wing CFs? Did they use turquoise, and leave just the white surround on the cross? It appears this was begun just prior to the order in April(?) 1918 to change cross styles. Again, Thanks from a WW1 modeler wannabe, doug _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 00:30:30 -0700 (PDT) From: bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Fokker Dr.I crossfield question Message-ID: <199907070730.AAA25477@compass.OregonVOS.net> Dave writes: -snips- >I am currently trying to finish Eduard von Tutschek's plane. Shane (as >always) has been very helpful in supplying info, but suggests I put this >question back to the list. In the early days of the Dr.1, it appears that >most came from the factory with white upper wing, fuselage, and tail >crossfields. The underwing crossfields were either white, or maybe left CDL >to save weight. At some point, there appears to have been an order that the >white was minimized. Top wing CFs appear to have been filled with OD, as >well as the fuselage. There were apparantly exceptions (like MvR) that used >their (special) color (like MvR's red or Jacob's black) to fill these areas. >does anyone have a guess what was the practice concerning the lower wing >CFs? Did they use turquoise, and leave just the white surround on the cross? I think it would be a mistake to pronounce a general rule on this. All the Dr.Is were delivered before this change in insignia styles occurred so the "change over" occured at the unit level rather than on the production line. As with any unit-level modifications, the changes would be (and apparently were) all over the ball park. Clearly -some- Dr.Is had the white surround of the undersurface Eisenkruezes overpainted to reduce the white (or CDL) square to a narrow white (or CDL) outline - that much is apparent from some of the photos. But, it seems unlikely that -all- were so overpainted. >It appears this was begun just prior to the order in April(?) 1918 to change >cross styles. Actually, it would seem that this began a bit -after- the change- over from the Eisenkrueze insignia to the Balkenkrueze. There are some photos which show lineups of triplanes, some of which have the straight armed Balkenkrueze insignia on the large white square background immediately beside an aircraft with the curved armed Eisenkrueze insignia with the narrow white outlines. Which would indicate that the conversion to the Balkenkrueze came first and the elimination of the the white square background came later - and was accomplished as the Jagdstaffel ground service folks had the time and resources to do so. Imrie mentions in his book, "The Fokker Triplane" that the upper wing of the Dr.I was extremely difficult for the ground service personnel to access (being so high in the air and all) that some Dr.Is had their upper wing insignias unmodified throughout their front line service lives. Makes sense to me - although I've only been able to locate a couple of photos which show a Balkenkrueze on the fuselage and Eisenkruezes (Eisenkruezen??) on the upper wing. The order, incidently, for the conversion from the Eisenkrueze insignia to the Balkenkrueze one was issued on March 17, 1918 and required the conversion to be completed by April 15, 1918. Cheers and all, -- Bill Shatzer - bshatzer@orednet.org "You don't need a weather man to know which way the wind blows." -Bob Dylan- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Jul 1999 00:33:40 -0700 From: "Bob Pearson" To: ww1 mailing list Subject: Smer kits for sale Message-ID: <199907070745.AAA04075@mail.rapidnet.net> Greetings all, a friend of mine has the following Smer kits for sale. Ansaldo SVA5 $5.00 SE.5 2 of these $5.00 ea. Nieuport II "Bebe" $5.00 and a 1920's Czech monoplane trainer called a Avia B.H. 11 $8.00 Anyone wanting more information contact Ray Mehlberger at research@mcleod.net Regards, Bob ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 07:21:05 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: Subject: RE: Blacken-it Message-ID: <005801bec799$4204ff20$4640a8c0@prens-001.ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Dave! I didn't start looking for it yet. I'm making a list of modelling items that I need but I can't buy by the neighborhood (contrail struts, some PE details, a couple of resin engines and a Blacken It bottle). Why? nb: a little trestle and a ladder for an Albatros. If not how can the little men get into? nu: putting new pipes to a WM oberursel 110 hp engine (for a FokDVIII) nr: Imrie's history of the German Air service (OT), and (ot) a Ribbentropp bio (did you knew that he was a WW1 hussar?) D. -----Mensaje original----- De: David Vosburgh Para: Multiple recipients of list Fecha: Martes, 06 de Julio de 1999 11:21 p.m. Asunto: Re: Blacken-it >-----Original Message----- >From: Ernest Thomas >Date: Tuesday, July 06, 1999 10:28 PM >Subject: Re: Blacken-it > > >E. wrote: > >>Thanks for the tip. Now I just need to pull out the old OED and find out >>what 'scrofulous' means. :) > > >You've probably already looked it up, but scrofula was (probably still is) a form of >tuberculosis IIRC, one of the symptoms of which were an acne-like skin condition which >developed into open sores... funny the things that come up on the list, isn't it? > >Veering back on-topic; Diego, did you ever find a source for 'Blacken-It'? > >DV > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Jul 1999 07:01:21 -0400 From: John & Allison Cyganowski To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Paging through the wrong book Message-ID: <37833381.45DF@worldnet.att.net> Shane Weier wrote: > > Bought Acorn's new Scratchbuilding book and have now taken up > > knitting (and drinking) > > My response too. Ha! As if you Australians needed any excuses to have a drink! ;-) Cyg. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 08:09:20 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: Subject: RE: New Web Goodies Message-ID: <001c01bec79f$ff9d9f00$4640a8c0@prens-001.ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> > - Added 5 images to Edward Swaim's Models on the World War I > Images page. Great! more figures! Edward, please write us a review of the conversions. > - Added 3 new images (1 model) to Paul Schwartzkopf's Models page. Excellent metallic finishing. I wish someday I can achieve one like this. > - Added 1 model (Temeks 1/72nd Morane-Saulnier Type I) and 2 > additional images > (SS D-III) to Matt Bittner's Models page. What else can I say? Bittner is one of the great heroes of 1/72 scale. Cry one quarter scalers! 1/72 won't give up! > - Added a new inage to the Rogues Gallery on the World War I > Images page. Pedro, a confirmation of the rule of the facial hair in WW1 modeller. Should I have to buy a fake beard? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 08:26:08 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: "WW1 modeling Mail List" Subject: tauro metal figures Message-ID: <000101bec7a2$5841f6e0$4640a8c0@prens-001.ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Hi list I've found this site http://www.karmanet.it/prontomd/inglese/taurosol.htm . The descriptions seems neat, but does anyone know of their quality? I've seen some of these in the Squadron catalog once, but no more than a microscopic drawing. Does anyone attempted to build one? D. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Jul 1999 08:17:37 -0500 From: "Lance Krieg" To: Subject: Re: Blacken-it Message-ID: I drink it straight from the bottle after I've dropped an Exacto knife through the rigging of a nearly-finished plane. >>> Ernest Thomas 07/06 8:43 PM >>> Lance Krieg wrote: > > Blacken-It will last several years, but when it develops a scrofulous powder around the threads of the screw cap it's lost its kick. Thanks for the tip. Now I just need to pull out the old OED and find out what 'scrofulous' means. :) E. but you still haven't told me what it mixes with. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Jul 1999 09:10:20 -0600 From: "Landon, James D" To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: OT movie for southern Californians Message-ID: <98B98E951BA0D1119A590000F8045A47030A2F9C@emss02m05.ems.lmco.com> Brad, Thanx for the info on the movie ... wasn't ignoring you ... just getting around to reading my email ... had 407 email messages when I got back to the office this morning from vacation ... didn't bother to unsubscribe from this list ... Jim > ---------- > From: Brad Gossen > Reply To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu > Sent: Thursday, July 1, 1999 7:36 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: OT movie for southern Californians > > Jim > > My copy was released by MCA- Universal video in 1978. It includes three > scenes which were done in experimental colour by Hughes and later dropped > for the original theatre release and restored for the video release. It > also includes a restored newsreel trailer of opening night showing > aircraft > buzzing Graumman's[?] Chinese Theatre. The sound is not great so I'd love > to get a copy of this new digitally remastered release. The MCA copy is > widely available for around $14 Cdn. The ISBN is 0-7832-0207-5. There was > also a nifty poster released with the video. About 10 years ago I was > lucky > enough to find an original colour tinted glass theatre slide in a flea > market. It features the not so subliminal image of Miss Harlow's ample > frontage competing with a flaming Zepp. > > Brad ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Jul 1999 10:19:48 -0600 From: "Landon, James D" To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: Oh oh!! I'm sorry!! Message-ID: <98B98E951BA0D1119A590000F8045A47030A2F9E@emss02m05.ems.lmco.com> To any and all here whom I may have offended: On 7-2-99 Shane said <> Oh, oh!! Sorry!! I was joking around ... teasing ... being sarcastic to get a chuckle. I hope you didn't take me too seriously. I copied the "Mr. Tiny Planes" phrase from somebody else (I forget who coined the phrase) because I thought it was cute. I assumed they were just teasing too. If you have read all the other things I've said on this bulletin board you will notice I keep saying I need to develop my skills before I can move *UP* to 1/72 scale. I consider my skills to be those of a 12 year old compared to all you old pros. I feel like a damn blacksmith in a hand painted china figurine shop. You went on to say: <> Shane I agree with you 200%. I guess I shouldn't try to be clever or witty, it very often backfires. I chose a balsa and tissue model because I had nostalgic memories of building balsa and tissue models some 45 years ago, not because I thought 1/72 plastic was inferior. Read my web site. I have an un-built 1/72 plastic Vacform kit on the shelf, that Barry Stettler sold me, and an un-built 1/32 plastic kit from Williams Brothers Inc. on the shelf, and if I have any hesitancy to build them it is because I literally don't know how. I am saving about half of the posts from this bulletin board for future reference for when I do try to build them. (I don't know how to build a balsa and tissue model well either, but I'm into it and I'm gonna finish the SOB if it kills me or ends in divorce.) You said <> Oh good. Maybe then my stupid Tommy won't get the booby prize for "longest time ever taken to build a model airplane". Re: "...for every one or two steps forward I slide back one or two or three steps." You said <> Again, glad I'm not the only one. Sorry for any misunderstanding, Jim > ---------- > From: Shane Weier > Reply To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu > Sent: Friday, July 2, 1999 1:27 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: RE: Another one bites the dust > > Jim, > > > Just curious Matt ... how long *DOES* it take you "Mr. Tiny > > Planes" guys ;-) > > to build a typical 1/72 or 1/48 plastic bipe model? (Having > > never ever > > built one myself) > > Can't speak for Matt, but 3 1/2 years comes to mind as the period spent on > my last model > > > So how come my Tommy is taking so long? Answer: > > for every one or two steps forward I slide back one > > or two or three steps. > > Now *that* sounds familiar. > > > A wing with *ONLY* five pieces? That would be wonderful. > > Each of my Tommy wings has a bazillion ribs, some wing > > tip former thingies, some spars, some stringers, some > > hinges, some bellcranks, and several separate pieces of > > tissue. Oh, and *HUNDREDS* of individual stitches. > > > Hmmm. Maybe that's why it's taking so long. > > > Jim, using only the finest all natural organic > > materials (balsa wood and tissue paper) > > Mmm. I detect a certain latent scepticism about the merits of building in > plastic, and using kit parts. For the record, I don't see any reason for > the > plastic kit builders on the list to feel less capable for choosing that > medium over balsa and tissue; each material has merits and faults, and the > completed models depend more on the skills of the builder for their > quality > than any inherent superiority of material or method. *Different* skills, > not > better and worse ones. > > I am a committee member of our local hobby show, at which (as well as our > State Championship for scale modelling) we see many large wooden scale > models, R/C scale model ships and so on. The RC ship model fraternity > succeeded in alienating *everyone* else by insisting on the superiority of > their hand crafted ships over "one of those things made by sticking > plastic > bits together" despite the yawning 1/4" gaps between superstructure and > deck, rudimentary, inaccurate or clunky detail, hairy cotton rigging etc. > Their attitude did nothing to convince anyone but themselves about their > hobby, and much to prove how tightly closed their minds were. > > So I say - to each his own, and judge the results as much on the happiness > of the owner as on any other factor > > > Shane > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Jul 1999 11:01:11 -0600 From: "Landon, James D" To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Web sit update Message-ID: <98B98E951BA0D1119A590000F8045A47030A2FA1@emss02m05.ems.lmco.com> On 7-2-99 Dennis said: <> I for one would sure like to hear whatever tips you can share with us. Maybe make one page of your web site devoted to a tutorial on "How To Photograph Model Airplanes" and another page for "How to Scan Photos For Use On A Web Site". And I'd still like to see step-by-step construction photos. Jim, still struggling to learn more about all these things > ---------- > From: Dennis Ugulano > Reply To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu > Sent: Friday, July 2, 1999 10:12 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: Web sit update > > Richard, > > >> The usual compliments to your tech support on a smart > looking site. << > > Tech Support says thank you very much for the compliments. She > really appreciates your comments. > > And thank you for the comments on the kits. I hope you get your > keyboard dry before it causes any damage. > > Little by little my photography is getting better and I'm figuring > out how to use the scanner and Paint Shop Pro. Someday I amy ever figure > this thing out. Just think, only 6 months ago I was an innocent (no > snickering back there) model builder. Now there is a scanner, a Paint > program, a web site and I even get some time to build models. But I am > resisting AMS and am still heading for 100 completed kits. Resist, > Dennis, > Resist. Don't fall asleep. > > Dennis Ugulano > email: Uggies@compuserve.com > http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/uggies > Page Revised 7/2/99 > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 13:19:37 -0500 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: ot/Re: Oh oh!! I'm sorry!! Message-ID: <007b01bec8a6$0350b5e0$6631c0d1@dora9sprynet.com> Pardon my additions to this posting, but I can't stand to watch a brother beat himself down like this.... >To any and all here whom I may have offended: >On 7-2-99 Shane said <merits of building in plastic, and using kit parts.>> After a while, the skepticism becomes less latent. >Oh, oh!! Sorry!! I was joking around ... teasing ... being sarcastic to >get a chuckle. I hope you didn't take me too seriously. I try to never make the mistake of taking anyone or anything too seriously. That's why this is a hobby - not a career. > I copied the "Mr. Tiny Planes" phrase from somebody else (I forget who coined the phrase) because I thought it was cute. I assumed they were just teasing too. I will claim that, although if you found it clever, someone else probably said it first. I was teasing when I said it and to hell with anyone who can't take good-natured ribbing (a la Mick Jagger:"f*** 'em if they can't take a joke"). >If you have read all the other things I've said on this bulletin board you will notice I keep saying I need to develop my skills before I can move *UP* to 1/72 scale. I consider my skills to be those of a 12 year old compared to all you old pros. I feel like a damn blacksmith in a hand painted china figurine shop. First of all, watch who you're calling old, bub. Don't worry about appeasing the little planes guys. >You went on to say: <kit builders on the list to feel less capable for choosing that medium over >balsa and tissue ...>> Plastic IS easier than balsa and tissue and that is why I work in clay. >Shane I agree with you 200%. I guess I shouldn't try to be clever or witty, >it very often backfires. I disagree. Be clever and witty. Wit is something rare these days, as is being clever. Folks, I will sound off here, as from time to time I get drunk and post something silly, or feel like apologizing to everyone for something I have said. I like the personal nuances. I read the personality of your posts just like I look for personality in your models. That way I get a sense for you all, and where you might stand on things outside of modeling (there is such a world, you know). For God's sake, I would rather read posts from Oscar Wilde than Henry Kissinger. >I chose a balsa and tissue model because I had >nostalgic memories of building balsa and tissue models some 45 years ago, >not because I thought 1/72 plastic was inferior. Funny, that's why I was gonna get a balsa kit - not that I have nostalgic feelings - the other reason. >I have an un-built 1/72 plastic Vacform kit on the shelf, that Barry >Stettler sold me, and an un-built 1/32 plastic kit from Williams Brothers >Inc. on the shelf, and if I have any hesitancy to build them it is because I >literally don't know how. I am saving about half of the posts from this >bulletin board for future reference for when I do try to build them. (I >don't know how to build a balsa and tissue model well either, but I'm into >it and I'm gonna finish the SOB if it kills me or ends in divorce.) Man, just enjoy 'em. And if you think that a balsa kit can't build into a nice model, you're nuts. > >You said <spent on my last model>> My little Siemens-Schuckert D.IV was purchased 2 years ago and still is unfinished. Maybe today.... >Re: "...for every one or two steps forward I slide back one or two or three >steps." I trip and fall down Quit beating yourself up and have a nice day. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Jul 1999 12:05:29 -0700 From: Mike Fletcher To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: EBAY Message-ID: <3783A4F9.1F120D0A@mars.ark.com> 19 datafiles for anyone interested - Unfortunately I already have most of these... (no they are not mine!!!) http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=127989818 -- Mike Fletcher ___ ., mdf@mars.ark.com |-\|^----! ; mikef@sparc.nic.bc.ca |--n--""*" icq=19554083 @ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 15:12:14 -0400 From: Dennis Ugulano To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: RE: Web sit update Message-ID: <199907071512_MC2-7C3C-A39A@compuserve.com> Jim, >> I for one would sure like to hear whatever tips you can share with us. << I can do that as it is still fresh in my mind. I am presently setting up an indoor photo area over in Tech Support's sewing area. She doesn't sew much since the computer. I have heard of color balanced lights and I will research those. I want to have strong lights on goosenecks so I can direct the light where ever I want it, especially between the wings. 200 to 400 ASA film is being used and I'm looking into an electronic flash. As soon as I have consistent results, I will gladly post it. Putting it on the web site is a excellent idea. As far as in progress photos, that will all hinge on the photo area working. When I can take a shot or tow without making it a major project, I will do it. I should know in a short period of time if I'm successful. As far as the scanner, I am very pleased with the results there. One thing I found that helps the photo is under COLOR is to decrease the colors to 256. The results are amazing. With the scanner, just take a photo and play with it. you can't mess it up because all you have to is hit UNDO. But suggestion has been noted. Thank you. Dennis Ugulano email: Uggies@compuserve.com http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/uggies Page Revised 7/2/99 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Jul 1999 14:18:19 -0600 From: "Landon, James D" To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: ot/Re: Oh oh!! I'm sorry!! Message-ID: <98B98E951BA0D1119A590000F8045A47030A2FA5@emss02m05.ems.lmco.com> <> Thanks "Old" Dave. ;-) I think I'll do my next plane in clay too - thanks for the neat idea. Jim > ---------- > From: DAVID BURKE > Reply To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu > Sent: Wednesday, July 7, 1999 12:29 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: ot/Re: Oh oh!! I'm sorry!! > > Pardon my additions to this posting, but I can't stand to watch a brother > beat himself down like this.... > > > > >To any and all here whom I may have offended: > > > >On 7-2-99 Shane said < the > >merits of building in plastic, and using kit parts.>> > > > After a while, the skepticism becomes less latent. > > >Oh, oh!! Sorry!! I was joking around ... teasing ... being sarcastic to > >get a chuckle. I hope you didn't take me too seriously. > > I try to never make the mistake of taking anyone or anything too > seriously. > That's why this is a hobby - not a career. > > > I copied the "Mr. Tiny Planes" phrase from somebody else (I forget who > coined the phrase) because I thought it was cute. I assumed they were > just > teasing too. > > I will claim that, although if you found it clever, someone else probably > said it first. I was teasing when I said it and to hell with anyone who > can't take good-natured ribbing (a la Mick Jagger:"f*** 'em if they can't > take a joke"). > > >If you have read all the other things I've said on this bulletin board > you > will notice I keep saying I need to develop my skills before I can move > *UP* > to 1/72 scale. I consider my skills to be those of a 12 year old compared > to all you old pros. I feel like a damn blacksmith in a hand painted > china > figurine shop. > > First of all, watch who you're calling old, bub. Don't worry about > appeasing the little planes guys. > > > >You went on to say: < plastic > >kit builders on the list to feel less capable for choosing that medium > over > >balsa and tissue ...>> > > Plastic IS easier than balsa and tissue and that is why I work in clay. > > > >Shane I agree with you 200%. I guess I shouldn't try to be clever or > witty, > >it very often backfires. > > I disagree. Be clever and witty. Wit is something rare these days, as is > being clever. > > Folks, I will sound off here, as from time to time I get drunk and post > something silly, or feel like apologizing to everyone for something I have > said. I like the personal nuances. I read the personality of your posts > just like I look for personality in your models. That way I get a sense > for > you all, and where you might stand on things outside of modeling (there is > such a world, you know). For God's sake, I would rather read posts from > Oscar Wilde than Henry Kissinger. > > >I chose a balsa and tissue model because I had > >nostalgic memories of building balsa and tissue models some 45 years ago, > >not because I thought 1/72 plastic was inferior. > > Funny, that's why I was gonna get a balsa kit - not that I have nostalgic > feelings - the other reason. > > >I have an un-built 1/72 plastic Vacform kit on the shelf, that Barry > >Stettler sold me, and an un-built 1/32 plastic kit from Williams Brothers > >Inc. on the shelf, and if I have any hesitancy to build them it is > because > I > >literally don't know how. I am saving about half of the posts from this > >bulletin board for future reference for when I do try to build them. (I > >don't know how to build a balsa and tissue model well either, but I'm > into > >it and I'm gonna finish the SOB if it kills me or ends in divorce.) > > > Man, just enjoy 'em. And if you think that a balsa kit can't build into a > nice model, you're nuts. > > > >You said < period > >spent on my last model>> > > > My little Siemens-Schuckert D.IV was purchased 2 years ago and still is > unfinished. Maybe today.... > > >Re: "...for every one or two steps forward I slide back one or two or > three > >steps." > > > I trip and fall down > > Quit beating yourself up and have a nice day. > ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 1686 **********************