WWI Digest 1682 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) RE: Happy Birthday America!! by Shane Weier 2) RE: Everybody is great! by Shane Weier 3) RE: Everybody is great! by Shane Weier 4) Re: Camel Question by "Bob Pearson" 5) Re: Camel Question by "Bob Pearson" 6) Re: Happy Birthday America!! by KarrArt@aol.com 7) Re: Fledgling Gallery by Matthew E Bittner 8) Re: Everybody is great! by Matthew E Bittner 9) Re: Future and double action airbrushes by Matthew E Bittner 10) Re: Future and double action airbrushes by "Lee J Mensinger" 11) Sorry, was Re: Everybody is great! by Ernest Thomas 12) test only - delete by "Charles and Linda Duckworth" 13) Re: Sorry, was Re: Everybody is great! by Matthew E Bittner 14) Oberursel URII by "John C Glaser" 15) Re: Sorry, was Re: Everybody is great! by Ernest Thomas 16) triplane colors by bucky@ptdprolog.net 17) RE: Everybody is great! by Dennis Ugulano 18) Re: Camel Question by John & Allison Cyganowski 19) RE: Everybody is great! by Shane Weier 20) RE: Camel Question by Shane Weier 21) Re: Everybody is great! by "Len Smith" 22) Re: Everybody is great! by Zulis@aol.com 23) viking ships wasRe: Sorry, was Re: Everybody is great! by KarrArt@aol.com 24) Re: Everybody is great! by Ernest Thomas 25) Re: viking ships wasRe: Sorry, was Re: Everybody is great! by Ernest Thomas 26) Signs of the times... by Suvoroff@aol.com 27) RE: Fledgling Gallery by "Diego Fernetti" 28) Before the Wrights...there were.... by K129000@aol.com 29) Re: Signs of the times... by Matthew E Bittner 30) RE: Before the Wrights...there were by "LEJEUNE, Philippe" 31) Re: Signs of the times... by "richard eaton" 32) RE: Happy Birthday America!! by "Diego Fernetti" 33) RE: Before the Wrights...there were.... by "Diego Fernetti" 34) Albatros interior colors by "Diego Fernetti" 35) RE: Before the Wrights...there were by "cameron rile" 36) Re: Before the Wrights...there were by Zulis@aol.com 37) Re: Before the Wrights...there were.... by REwing@aol.com 38) Re: Before the Wrights...there were.... by K129000@aol.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 5 Jul 1999 07:56:53 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Happy Birthday America!! Message-ID: <65C968E11318D311B0BD0060B06865CD04116D@mimhexch.mim.com.au> Happy Birthday for yesterday y'all Septics. You'll be pleased to know it's a right fine morning tomorrow, the second day after the Apocalypse. Aparently the Four Riders were given parking violations for standing in a no parking zone. Shane ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Jul 1999 08:17:20 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Everybody is great! Message-ID: <65C968E11318D311B0BD0060B06865CD04116E@mimhexch.mim.com.au> Dennis, > During the early to late 80's, the fine people in > England decided > that there was a market for WW1 models and started building > vacuform kit. I saw my first vacforms in teh mid 70's but concede that the first on topic ones were probably about 1980 > While I wasn't a fan of vacs at first, I soon realized that > if I wanted > something more than D.VII's and SPAD's, vac was the was to go. > > In a short period of time we had FORM-A-PLANE, EXPO > MODELS, LIBRA, > CLASSIC (Germany), SCALEPLANES, JOYSTICK, ROSEPLANES, (U.S), PHOENIX, > ESOTERIC, (between the war American), EASTERN STAR, AEROCLUB, > SIERRA MODELS > (U.S.), XTRAVAC, and I may have missed some. RAREPLANES had > been around > for a while with 4 WW1 subjects and AIRFRAME (Canada) had a > very large line > of WW1 but they were thin and hard to build. > The huge range of kits available and the superiority of vacforms for representing thin highly cambered wings led me straight to building WW1 in 1/72 throughout the 80's I can't begin to thank the people behind all those early vacform lines quite enough. > The Burgess Dunne is a SCALEPLANE model. Released 1988, and reviewed in SMI in May of that year by the late and sadly missed Geoff Prentice, my magazine mentor in vacform techniques through that decade. Shane ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Jul 1999 08:36:35 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Everybody is great! Message-ID: <65C968E11318D311B0BD0060B06865CD041170@mimhexch.mim.com.au> David, > AMS main symptom is a profligation of unbuilt and > partially-built kits that > escape from the workroom, spilling out into the living room, > dining room, > bathroom, garage, and bedroom, which is why you end up telling your > co-workers the next day that 'no that is not a rash on my > forehead, it is > the imprint of a Spandau gun's photoetched jacket'. I disagree. My manifestation is piles of untouched kits while I make a bench full of minute pieces of crap, all trying to masquerade as parts to be inserted in places where no-one will ever see them, and even I will forget > >Seinfeld; Whiney American comedian who only made it big because > >Americans have become so whiney. :( > > > ALSO, SEINFELD IS NOT FUNNY. Except of course to New > Yorkers, but we all KNOW what they're like.... My brother twisted my arm to watch one episode he claimed actually *was* funny. The "characters" had a contest to see who would go longest without masturbating. None lasted through the episode. Somehow, this summarized the show perfectly..... Shane ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 04 Jul 1999 15:24:32 -0700 From: "Bob Pearson" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Camel Question Message-ID: <199907042256.PAA20983@mail.rapidnet.net> Andy writes . . > Gee, have I bobbed in before Bob? Perhaps he's away ... :-) I finally get to sleep for more then 4 hours and this is what happens . . . Bob ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 04 Jul 1999 15:39:08 -0700 From: "Bob Pearson" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Camel Question Message-ID: <199907042256.PAA20991@mail.rapidnet.net> > I have the Aeromaster sheet "Fighting Camels Part II". One of the ships > featured is B6401 of Naval #, flown by The Squadron Commander Breadner. > I have a couple of questions about this ship. > > 1.) Was this a 2F.1 or an F.1? F.1, AFAIK no 2F.1s were used on the western front . However it is more likely that this was the Camel of F/Cdr Rochford then Breadner. Breadner may have flown it, but Rochford scored at least 3 victories in it between Novemebr 1917 and February 1918. In teh Datafile it is listed as Breadner's . . everywhere else it is Rochford's. > 2.) The scheme seems particularly gaudy for the Brits. How did he get > away with this? Rank has its priviliges? Four letters . . . R - N - A - S. They had far more colourful aircraft than the RFC. Even after amalgamation they still kept some colour to their aircraft. Note the red cowls on 209's Camels. > 3.) Anybody know anything specific about this guy and Naval 3 in > general? Bob? Some ... wait for a markings article in a few years once I get 8N, 9N and 10N done first :-) In the meantime Breadner is mentioned in Canadian Airmen of the FWW, as well as Above the Trenches. Naval 3/203 is in Collishaw's autobiography. Regards, Bob Pearson Visit my WW1 Aviation page http://members.xoom.com/Sopwith_5F1 Managing Editor / Internet Modeler http://www.internetmodeler.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Jul 1999 18:50:08 EDT From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Happy Birthday America!! Message-ID: <728655e.24b13f20@aol.com> In a message dated 7/4/99 2:46:31 PM Pacific Daylight Time, REwing@aol.com writes: << << << to cook over explosive liquids. >> Correction: to cook over-explosive liquids. :-) >> Which, of course, I'll be doing tonight!! Happy Fourth of July to my fellow Americans! -Rick- >> Gonna be making a big runny fire a bit later! More Fire! BIGGER FLAMES! Yee HAW! Robert K. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Jul 1999 18:50:10 -0500 From: Matthew E Bittner To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Fledgling Gallery Message-ID: <19990704.185751.-129563.4.mbittner@juno.com> On Sun, 4 Jul 1999 17:49:59 -0400 (EDT) Shane Weier writes: > ...he's waiting to see your latest creation first? :-P August, kind sir. We have deadlines, you know. ;-) Matt Bittner http://www.geocities.com/~ipmsfortcrook http://www.discoveromaha.com/community/groups/plasticmodelers/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Jul 1999 18:47:22 -0500 From: Matthew E Bittner To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Everybody is great! Message-ID: <19990704.185751.-129563.3.mbittner@juno.com> On Sun, 4 Jul 1999 14:47:52 -0400 (EDT) Ernest Thomas writes: > Sorry Comrade, but I think my definition of AMS is considerably > clearer > than yours. As for MB being the poster child, sure he builds, but > just > axe him how long he's been working on his N.16. Ouch! That hurts. However, I have built other models... :-( Matt Bittner http://www.geocities.com/~ipmsfortcrook http://www.discoveromaha.com/community/groups/plasticmodelers/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Jul 1999 18:45:22 -0500 From: Matthew E Bittner To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Future and double action airbrushes Message-ID: <19990704.185751.-129563.2.mbittner@juno.com> On Sun, 4 Jul 1999 12:53:00 -0400 (EDT) mkendix writes: > I have an Omni 5000g from Thayer and Chandler. I was wondering > whether I > could use it to spray Future, whether I should dilute the Future > etc.? Since I own T&C's, do as Lee says except for one thing. After spraying the future, spray some straight windshield washer fluid straight through, until it appears to come out "clear", and not "foggy". I do this everytime I use my airbrush, and it seems to definitely work. Matt Bittner http://www.geocities.com/~ipmsfortcrook http://www.discoveromaha.com/community/groups/plasticmodelers/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 04 Jul 1999 19:28:21 -0500 From: "Lee J Mensinger" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Future and double action airbrushes Message-ID: <377FFC25.4D3D4C9E@wireweb.net> Another something never heard of before. This is a record. and all from a great group. Thank you Matthew. One thing for sure if you do all of these thing their AB should last forever mine seems to be doing it. One is thirty nine and still like new, the other is only 26. Have to wait a little longer to see if it all works.. Lee Matthew E Bittner wrote: > On Sun, 4 Jul 1999 12:53:00 -0400 (EDT) mkendix > writes: > > > I have an Omni 5000g from Thayer and Chandler. I was wondering > > whether I > > could use it to spray Future, whether I should dilute the Future > > etc.? > > Since I own T&C's, do as Lee says except for one thing. After spraying > the future, spray some straight windshield washer fluid straight through, > until it appears to come out "clear", and not "foggy". I do this > everytime I use my airbrush, and it seems to definitely work. > > Matt Bittner > http://www.geocities.com/~ipmsfortcrook > http://www.discoveromaha.com/community/groups/plasticmodelers/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 04 Jul 1999 20:02:12 -0500 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Sorry, was Re: Everybody is great! Message-ID: <37800414.5CDD@bellsouth.net> Matthew E Bittner wrote: > Ouch! That hurts. However, I have built other models... :-( Sorry, Bud. I meant no offense, really. E. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Jul 1999 20:33:29 -0500 From: "Charles and Linda Duckworth" To: "ww1list" Subject: test only - delete Message-ID: <006901bec686$676a7560$b85ddfd1@q1p5x0> test only set wwi mail ackend ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Jul 1999 21:37:53 -0500 From: Matthew E Bittner To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Sorry, was Re: Everybody is great! Message-ID: <19990704.213802.-98451.0.mbittner@juno.com> On Sun, 4 Jul 1999 21:02:27 -0400 (EDT) Ernest Thomas writes: > > Ouch! That hurts. However, I have built other models... :-( > > Sorry, Bud. I meant no offense, really. No need to apologize! Heck, it took four years to finish the Pegasus Roland D.II. :-( However, it only took two or three months to finish the Flashback Strutter! :-) Matt Bittner http://www.geocities.com/~ipmsfortcrook http://www.discoveromaha.com/community/groups/plasticmodelers/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Jul 1999 21:51:11 -0500 From: "John C Glaser" To: "WW1 Mail List" Subject: Oberursel URII Message-ID: Does anyone know a good source for drawings / close up photos of the UR II? I'm particularly interested in the valve gear assemblies. I already have the Dr.1 Datafile and Dr.1 special and they have a few good shots. Also have the shot from the USAFM page. Can anybody help? Thanks. - JCG ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 04 Jul 1999 22:20:18 -0500 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Sorry, was Re: Everybody is great! Message-ID: <37802472.29AB@bellsouth.net> Matthew E Bittner wrote: > No need to apologize! Ok, then I take it back! ;) Fwiw, I have the unfinished hull of a Heller Viking ship that's been sitting on the shelf for I don't know how many years now. I think this was the model that first got me afflicted with AMS. It was just gonna be a sotb slammer to sit on a mantle. BUt I had a few questions about painting it. So I went and found a nice book on Vikings, learned that they didn't just glue their shields to the gunwales, and now it's grown (in my head) into an epic diorama with the ship in a beached state and a raiding party heading off to sack and plunder the little monastery over the next hill. AMS! E. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 05 Jul 1999 00:03:40 -0400 From: bucky@ptdprolog.net To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: triplane colors Message-ID: <37802E9C.2642FB3E@ptdprolog.net> Doug I think the only picture I had at the time was either in the Imrie Fokker Triplane book or maybe the Datafile special....not sure which. I did the underneath of the tailplane yellow w/black stripes mostly because the decals said to. This was one of my earlier builds and the quality is only so/so. The color scheme, however, remains cool! If you don't have any photos of this plane, let me know and I'll see what I can dig up. hth Mike Muth PS Tried sending to you mailing address but it got bounced. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Jul 1999 00:08:58 -0400 From: Dennis Ugulano To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: RE: Everybody is great! Message-ID: <199907050009_MC2-7BD9-9C70@compuserve.com> Shane, Released 1988, and reviewed in SMI in May of that year by the late and sadly missed Geoff Prentice, my magazine mentor in vacuform techniques through that decade. How sad to lose a mentor especially one that taught you so much and so well. I thought I heard that he passed away but I was not very knowledgeable about the names behind the kits. I just know that they gave us kits that I never I would see in any form except scratchbuild. Thank you for your insite on this subject. Dennis Ugulano email: Uggies@compuserve.com http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/uggies Page Revised 7/2/99 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 05 Jul 1999 00:35:47 -0400 From: John & Allison Cyganowski To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Camel Question Message-ID: <37803623.70E@worldnet.att.net> Thank You Messers. Kemp & Pearson. >From Bob's message I take it that 209 Squadron was originally a Naval Unit? Naval 9? Cyg. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Jul 1999 14:31:29 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Everybody is great! Message-ID: <65C968E11318D311B0BD0060B06865CD04117B@mimhexch.mim.com.au> Dennis, > How sad to lose a mentor especially one that taught > you so much and > so well. I thought I heard that he passed away but I was not very > knowledgeable about the names behind the kits. I just know > that they gave > us kits that I never I would see in any form except scratchbuild. > I never actually knew GP, but his "Vacform View" column in Scale Model Int'l introduced me to a more sophisticated view of what could be done with vacs. During most ofthe 80's I waited impatiently from month to month to read his vac reviews and build articles, learning (among other things) that even the best modellers stuff up vacs sometimes, yet there will always be a solution if you're patient. Geoff passed away last year, of cancer, which he wrote of in one of his last wonderful "Icarus" columns as having probably been the result of a lifetime exposure to various modelling fumes - thinners, glues etc. For a man I never met, I miss him. Shane ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Jul 1999 14:40:06 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Camel Question Message-ID: <65C968E11318D311B0BD0060B06865CD04117C@mimhexch.mim.com.au> Cyg, > >From Bob's message I take it that 209 Squadron was originally a Naval > Unit? Naval 9? Yes. The RNAS Sqn's all had 200 added to their original number. Shane ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Jul 1999 07:20:42 +0100 From: "Len Smith" To: Subject: Re: Everybody is great! Message-ID: <01e901bec6ae$aaecb000$cc5c08c3@default> >E wrote > Seinfeld; Whiney American comedian who only made it big because > Americans have become so whiney. :( > E. > Not only Americans,E. The two most over-used words in the English language today are compensation and counselling! Maybe Nostradamus just got the date wrong? Len. :-((( ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Jul 1999 02:39:07 EDT From: Zulis@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Everybody is great! Message-ID: <9f3d7839.24b1ad0b@aol.com> Len wrote: << Not only Americans,E. The two most over-used words in the English language today are compensation and counselling! Maybe Nostradamus just got the date wrong? Len. :-((( >> Oh no! I am a rehab counsellor for the Worker's Compensation Board.... I am in trouble with Len on both counts. One saving characteristic - my interview room is a "no whine zone". Dave Z ps - 'Tis now past midnight almost everywhere .... old Nostradamus may have forgotten to wind his cosmic watch....for now. Will keep the list advised of future dates for scheduled extinction. :-) http://hometown.aol.com/zulis/myhomepage/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Jul 1999 03:47:05 EDT From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: viking ships wasRe: Sorry, was Re: Everybody is great! Message-ID: <36b2829.24b1bcf9@aol.com> In a message dated 7/4/99 8:22:07 PM Pacific Daylight Time, ethomas6@bellsouth.net writes: << BUt I had a few questions about painting it. So I went and found a nice book on Vikings, learned that they didn't just glue their shields to the gunwales, and now it's grown (in my head) into an epic diorama with the ship in a beached state and a raiding party heading off to sack and plunder the little monastery over the next hill. AMS! E. >> Build a whole damn fjord! Looks like we gotta go visit my ailing mother-in-law at the end of the month ( a grand and great lady BTW). She lives in a small town at the end of one of the big lakes in southern Sweden and there's a repro of the Oseberg viking ship that sails those waters in the summer months. I may have to take the trip. Robert K. beered and bar-b-qued in Southern California ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 05 Jul 1999 02:54:23 -0500 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Everybody is great! Message-ID: <378064AF.3B7D@bellsouth.net> Zulis@aol.com wrote: > Oh no! I am a rehab counsellor for the Worker's Compensation Board.... Maybe you're one of the four horseman. Did you forget any appointments yesterday? It's now 2:53am here and we're still kicking. I'm going to bed. See y'all at the next apocalypse. E. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 05 Jul 1999 02:57:42 -0500 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: viking ships wasRe: Sorry, was Re: Everybody is great! Message-ID: <37806576.4E12@bellsouth.net> KarrArt@aol.com wrote: > Build a whole damn fjord! The Latvian Viking Zulis told me a great Viking joke tonight. I may have to re-create it in 3-D. E. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Jul 1999 07:09:07 EDT From: Suvoroff@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Signs of the times... Message-ID: <62d19653.24b1ec53@aol.com> I think Nostradamus was right, just not exact in his timing. The End of the World IS at hand: I just finished a model. My Caudron R.11 is done at last. Current project; a 1/144th scale DH-2. The rigging on this thing just never ends, does it? Yours, James D. Gray ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Jul 1999 08:48:37 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: Subject: RE: Fledgling Gallery Message-ID: <02bc01bec613$27735260$4640a8c0@prens-001.ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Whew! You're fast, Kevin! How come that I took months just to be where you are? And building an excellent website meanwhile? Keep us fed with those inputs. Great gallery too, I liked all the planes a lot. D. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Jul 1999 10:05:18 EDT From: K129000@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Before the Wrights...there were.... Message-ID: Here are some events regaurding powered flight, which occured before the Wright Brother's success: Du Temple Monoplane: 55ft wingspan and 24ft long. Powered by a "hot air" engine. The craft was built by Felix Du Temple. In 1874, with a French sailor as a pilot, the plane was send down a hill side and succeeded in making the first "hop." Mozhaiskii Monoplane: Built by Alexander Fedrovich Mozhaiskii. Plane used one 20hp engine (driving one propeller) and one 10hp engine driving 2 propellers. Both steam powered. 74ft span. 46ft long. The machine was released down an incline and made a "hop" of 65-100ft. Clement Ader's Eole Year of construction: 1882-1890 First flight : 1890 Wing span : 13.7m Empty weight : 185kg Max. Take-off weight: 300kg Engine (Steam type) : 10 hp Engine weight : 23 kg Cruise speed : 36km/h (20 kts) Alleged flight was 20cm in altitude for 50m. A scale model of the plane has since flown. Much research done in France regaurding the Eole*. Maxim biplane: Massive machine. Liftoff from track prevented by safety mechanism. Atempted flight was in 1894. Two 180hp steam engines, 104ft span. weight ~8000lb (3,629kg). *how does one pronounce "Eole?" What does it mean? That is a list of possible firsts that I have come up with so far. Where can I find more information on the DuTemple monoplane? It looks like a canidate for a model. I have a picture of a model but I can't make out the wing lay out. -K ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Jul 1999 09:08:05 -0500 From: Matthew E Bittner To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Signs of the times... Message-ID: <19990705.091045.-100797.0.mbittner@juno.com> On Mon, 5 Jul 1999 07:09:55 -0400 (EDT) Suvoroff@aol.com writes: > I think Nostradamus was right, just not exact in his timing. > The End of > the World IS at hand: I just finished a model. My Caudron R.11 is > done at > last. Awesome! Pictures? Matt Bittner http://www.geocities.com/~ipmsfortcrook http://www.discoveromaha.com/community/groups/plasticmodelers/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Jul 1999 16:24:54 +0200 From: "LEJEUNE, Philippe" To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Before the Wrights...there were Message-ID: Eole was the french traduction of the name of the god of wind in antic Greece pronounce "a" (like Breguet) + "ol" (+ french accent) Phil > -----Message d'origine----- > De: K129000@aol.com [SMTP:K129000@aol.com] > Date: lundi 5 juillet 1999 16:07 > À: Multiple recipients of list > Objet: Before the Wrights...there were.... > > > *how does one pronounce "Eole?" What does it mean? > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Jul 1999 10:44:32 -0500 From: "richard eaton" To: Subject: Re: Signs of the times... Message-ID: <199907051544.KAA27228@sierra.onr.com> Great news James! Let us see it! What a feeling to finish a kit! Regards, Richard Who is currently mired in the wires of a 1/72 Fokker Spinne......... ---------- > From: Suvoroff@aol.com > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Signs of the times... > Date: Monday, July 05, 1999 6:09 AM > > I think Nostradamus was right, just not exact in his timing. The End of > the World IS at hand: I just finished a model. My Caudron R.11 is done at > last. > Current project; a 1/144th scale DH-2. The rigging on this thing just > never ends, does it? > > Yours, > James D. Gray ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Jul 1999 13:20:44 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: Subject: RE: Happy Birthday America!! Message-ID: <001901bec639$2ba63160$4640a8c0@prens-001.ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> I'm late, I know. But happy Independence Day, U.S. citizens! D. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Jul 1999 13:47:21 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: Subject: RE: Before the Wrights...there were.... Message-ID: <001b01bec63c$e30d7540$4640a8c0@prens-001.ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> -----Mensaje original----- De: K129000@aol.com >*how does one pronounce "Eole?" What does it mean? Aeolus (Eole) was king of the Aeolian Islands. He was appointed by Zeus to be the keeper of the winds, both to calm and to arouse them. Having entertained Odysseus who had come to him during his wanderings, he gave him a bag in which he had bound fast the winds. But when Odysseus and his comrades were near Ithaca, they, thinking Odysseus carried gold in the bag, loosed it and let the winds go free, and they were driven back again and Odysseus begged Aeolus that he might be granted a fair wind, but Aeolus drove him from the island. Eole was the french translation of this name. You can pronuonce it like you pronounce "creòle". For the english speakers of this list, Lousiana born listees can help. D. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Jul 1999 13:50:16 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: "WW1 modeling Mail List" Subject: Albatros interior colors Message-ID: <001c01bec63d$4bb7e440$4640a8c0@prens-001.ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> hi list, I wonder if the cockpit items in the early Albatros fighters whose cowlings and struts were painted light gray were painted in the same color too. It seems consistent with the NASM albatros, but maybe you know better than me. TIA D: ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Jul 1999 12:46:09 -0300 From: "cameron rile" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: RE: Before the Wrights...there were Message-ID: <199907050947451@cameron.prontomail.com> >Eole was the french traduction of the name of the god of wind >in antic Greece >pronounce "a" (like Breguet) + "ol" (+ french accent) How do you pronounce Breguet? I have always said it breg + goo. Judging by the need for an "a" sound to be in it, I have it wrong. cam ( with a flat, low, mumbly and fast Sydney/Blue Mountains accent ) ______________________________________________________________ Get Your Free E-mail and Homepage at http://www.prontomail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Jul 1999 12:59:32 EDT From: Zulis@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Before the Wrights...there were Message-ID: <20781265.24b23e74@aol.com> In a message dated 99-07-05 12:52:42 EDT, you write: << How do you pronounce Breguet? I have always said it breg + goo. Judging by the need for an "a" sound to be in it, I have it wrong. >> "Breg-way" is about right, at least in anglicized text. If you want to make it even more authentic, smoke a cigarette, look vaguely dissatisfied with life, and torture the "r" sound a bit. :-) I have watched waaaaay too many old movies.... DZ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Jul 1999 13:17:21 EDT From: REwing@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Before the Wrights...there were.... Message-ID: <2dd4f4ac.24b242a1@aol.com> In a message dated 7/5/99 2:08:11 PM !!!First Boot!!!, K129000@aol.com writes: << That is a list of possible firsts that I have come up with so far. Where can I find more information on the DuTemple monoplane? It looks like a canidate for a model. I have a picture of a model but I can't make out the wing lay out. >> You forgot Gustave Whitehead. A German immigrant who was supposed to have flown in the Connecticut-New York area before the turn of the century. Plane used contra-rotating props and an engine that was light enough to be held under one arm (there is a picture of this). The Wrights are even reputed to visit his workshop at least once. Control was through wing-warping, before the Wright brothers invented it!! -Rick- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Jul 1999 13:30:46 EDT From: K129000@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Before the Wrights...there were.... Message-ID: In a message dated 99-07-05 13:19:15 EDT, you write: << You forgot Gustave Whitehead. A German immigrant who was supposed to have flown in the Connecticut-New York area before the turn of the century. Plane used contra-rotating props and an engine that was light enough to be held under one arm (there is a picture of this). The Wrights are even reputed to visit his workshop at least once. Control was through wing-warping, before the Wright brothers invented it!! -Rick- >> I remember this story. From what I recall he may have done it. I think building planes was his past time. What was the date of his flight? _k-129 ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 1682 **********************