WWI Digest 1679 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Blacken-it, was Re: !@#$%^&* MS products by Ernest Thomas 2) Re: Web sit update by Dennis Ugulano 3) Re: Web sit update by Dennis Ugulano 4) Re: Web sit update by Dennis Ugulano 5) RE: Web sit update by Dennis Ugulano 6) Re: Blacken-it, by Ernest Thomas 7) von Tutschek Dr.1 by d mather 8) Fledgling Gallery by kevinkim@interlog.com (Kevin & Kimberley) 9) RE: von Tutschek Dr.1 by Shane Weier 10) Re: Web sit update by "Bob Pearson" 11) Re: Ehmar MkIV Tank (1/72) by Matthew E Bittner 12) Re: Web sit update by Matthew E Bittner 13) Re: Fledgling Gallery by Matthew E Bittner 14) Re: Fledgling Gallery by "Bob Pearson" 15) Re: Fledgling Gallery by Dennis Ugulano 16) Re: Fledgling Gallery by Matthew E Bittner 17) Re: Fledgling Gallery by Matthew E Bittner 18) Kevin's Images by Matthew E Bittner 19) Albatross C.III by Russell W Niles 20) Everybody is great! by "Mike" 21) Re: Fledgling Gallery by Pedro e Francisca Soares 22) Re: von Tutschek Dr.1 by bucky@ptdprolog.net 23) Time for slammers.... by Zulis@aol.com 24) Re: Time for slammers.... by Ernest Thomas 25) Re: Time for slammers.... by "David Vosburgh" 26) Re: Another colour question. by "Tom Werner Hansen" 27) Re: Time for slammers.... by Ernest Thomas 28) Meikraft Dragon C.III (was Re: Fledgling Gallery) by "Bob Pearson" 29) Re: Ehmar MkIV Tank (1/72) by GRBroman@aol.com 30) AGO C.1 by "Brad Gossen" 31) Re: AGO C.1 by "David Vosburgh" 32) Re: AGO C.1 by "Brad Gossen" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 02 Jul 1999 21:47:46 -0500 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Blacken-it, was Re: !@#$%^&* MS products Message-ID: <377D79D2.2B4B@bellsouth.net> Lance Krieg wrote: > I, too, am a long-time Blacken-It fan, but.... > > It DOES have a shelf-life, and can be smudged off with handling if not well soaked. > I've learned about smudging it. How long is the shelf life? The thieves at the hobby shop sold me a 4oz. bottle and said that's all it comes in. It looks like enough to pass on to my kids when I die. And just now when I looked to see what size bottle it was, I noticed the lable says 4fl.oz. and 1fl.oz., with the 4 checked off. So it DOES come in a 1oz. bottle. Those bastards! > Before using it on PE, make sure you've cleaned the parts (I soak them in vinegar), and sometimes I give the whole PE sprue a scrub with fine sandpaper. > Thanks for that tip. > Oh, yes... only drink it if you are COMPLETELY out of liquor. > So do I just pour it over ice, or do you recomend a mixer? E. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Jul 1999 00:11:53 -0400 From: Dennis Ugulano To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Re: Web sit update Message-ID: <199907030011_MC2-7BB2-6AC@compuserve.com> Richard, >> The usual compliments to your tech support on a smart looking site. << Tech Support says thank you very much for the compliments. She really appreciates your comments. And thank you for the comments on the kits. I hope you get your keyboard dry before it causes any damage. Little by little my photography is getting better and I'm figuring out how to use the scanner and Paint Shop Pro. Someday I amy ever figure this thing out. Just think, only 6 months ago I was an innocent (no snickering back there) model builder. Now there is a scanner, a Paint program, a web site and I even get some time to build models. But I am resisting AMS and am still heading for 100 completed kits. Resist, Dennis, Resist. Don't fall asleep. Dennis Ugulano email: Uggies@compuserve.com http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/uggies Page Revised 7/2/99 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Jul 1999 00:11:55 -0400 From: Dennis Ugulano To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Re: Web sit update Message-ID: <199907030012_MC2-7BB2-6AF@compuserve.com> Len, >> A bipe flying wing ! << Yep and came out of the book Winged Wonders that I bought to build my Flying wings. Very interesting plane and an insane color scheme. The eyes are getting better all the time. Thank you so much. Dennis Ugulano email: Uggies@compuserve.com http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/uggies Page Revised 7/2/99 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Jul 1999 00:11:53 -0400 From: Dennis Ugulano To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Re: Web sit update Message-ID: <199907030011_MC2-7BB2-6AD@compuserve.com> Pedro, >> Dennis, you're a menace! << Uh oh! My secret is out. Who snitched? Thank you so much. Dennis Ugulano email: Uggies@compuserve.com http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/uggies Page Revised 7/2/99 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Jul 1999 00:11:50 -0400 From: Dennis Ugulano To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: RE: Web sit update Message-ID: <199907030011_MC2-7BB2-6AA@compuserve.com> D, Thank you. I thought it was a strange set up myself. I was so glad when the Datafile came out on the AGO. It was then that I knew I built it right. I did not have any thing that showed the split strut. So I guessed. But it was a fun kit to build and too unusual for me not to have in my collection. Dennis Ugulano email: Uggies@compuserve.com http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/uggies Page Revised 7/2/99 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Jul 1999 23:25:07 -0500 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Blacken-it, Message-ID: <377D90A3.430C@bellsouth.net> Diego Fernetti wrote: > > I have read of this product before. Can Blacken It be purchased via Email? > I'm not too satisfied with the results of black paint over PE. Unless there's some law against sending it through the mail, I'm sure the thieves at my local shop will gladly send you a bottle. Contact Jeff at hubhobNOLA@aol.com E. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Jul 1999 22:40:24 PDT From: d mather To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: von Tutschek Dr.1 Message-ID: <19990703054025.89537.qmail@hotmail.com> Hi Gang, I am finishing up 1 of about 7 DML Fokker Dr.1 triplanes. I got the SuperScale sheet with von Tutschek's Dr.1. the instructions are vague about the underwing crosses. SS gives a white outline, to be applied over black fields. This works on the upper wings, fuselage, and tail, but then they tell you to apply this also to the bottom wing. It is easy to see why on the black upper surface, but makes no sense if the bottom crossfields are left CDL. Any light on the lower crosses would be highly appreciated. Second question... Gottsch's Dr.1, 419/17 (swastika on fuselage). Was the upper wing actually entirely white on upper and lower surfaces? SS states "Upper wing painted white both sides". Also, was the fuselage (below the stabilizer) white also? Thanks again gang! doug (nurseguy and wannabe modeler) _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Jul 1999 02:56:12 -0500 From: kevinkim@interlog.com (Kevin & Kimberley) To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Fledgling Gallery Message-ID: Hi List, Well, my digital camera arrived, so it didn't take long to get a gallery up on my hobby web page. I'm still trying to figure out how to take nice, sharp close-ups, so bear with me for the time being. I'll replace all the current gallery shots with better ones once I figure all this web stuff out, and then pass on some good pics to Allan too. In the mean time, drop by: http://kevinbarrett.net/Hobby/main.html Ya, ya, I know: I'm no Dennis. But I can still hold my head high in a crowd of off-topic people. ;-) Kevin Barrett. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Jul 1999 17:10:49 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: von Tutschek Dr.1 Message-ID: <65C968E11318D311B0BD0060B06865CD041168@mimhexch.mim.com.au> Doug > I am finishing up 1 of about 7 DML Fokker Dr.1 triplanes. I got the > SuperScale sheet with von Tutschek's Dr.1. the instructions > are vague about > the underwing crosses. SS gives a white outline, to be > applied over black > fields. This works on the upper wings, fuselage, and tail, > but then they > tell you to apply this also to the bottom wing. It is easy to > see why on the > black upper surface, but makes no sense if the bottom > crossfields are left > CDL. Any light on the lower crosses would be highly appreciated. I'd imagine you mean... ..."but makes no sense if the bottom crossfields are left TURQUOISE" .... Dr.I 404/17 (eventualy) has a tail unit black from the leading edge of the fuselage insignia backwards with white outline crosses on the black (photo 80 in Imrie) The pics show the wing top surface cosses to be white outlines eisernekreuze with the original crossfields painted out. I've always assumed that the painting out on the upper surface would be with olive green, but I suppose that black *might* have been used on this aircraft given that it was slopped all over the tail OTOH a quick review shows that where the white crossfiled has been painted out it has usually been in a pale colour similar to (if not actually) the underside turquoise. Tutscheks aircraft is not among those of which I can see the underside, but it seems unlikely that the underside crossfiled would be painted out in black leaving a white outline there. But this is just MHO I fear. Bill? Anyone? Shane ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Jul 1999 23:55:21 -0700 From: "Bob Pearson" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Web sit update Message-ID: <199907030727.AAA15033@mail.rapidnet.net> And as an interesting aside a Burgess-Dunne was the first Canadian Air Force during the opening days of WW1. Bob ---------- >From: Dennis Ugulano >To: Multiple recipients of list >Subject: Re: Web sit update >Date: Fri, Jul 2, 1999, 9:12 PM > > Len, > >>> A bipe > flying wing ! << > > Yep and came out of the book Winged Wonders that I bought to build my > Flying wings. Very interesting plane and an insane color scheme. The eyes > are getting better all the time. > > Thank you so much. > > Dennis Ugulano > email: Uggies@compuserve.com > http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/uggies > Page Revised 7/2/99 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Jul 1999 07:24:22 -0500 From: Matthew E Bittner To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Ehmar MkIV Tank (1/72) Message-ID: <19990703.072459.-84811.2.mbittner@juno.com> On Fri, 2 Jul 1999 16:04:57 -0400 (EDT) GRBroman@aol.com writes: > The Mark IV female I did was entered in a show in Des Moines, where > some guy > named Bittner won with an off topic tank. Wouldn't you think that > Matt would > have the decency to at least build "on topic" tanks? :) Glen Actually, there were off topics that beat *both of us*. My off-topic didn't win either. So there! :-P``` Matt Bittner http://www.geocities.com/~ipmsfortcrook http://www.discoveromaha.com/community/groups/plasticmodelers/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Jul 1999 07:24:55 -0500 From: Matthew E Bittner To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Web sit update Message-ID: <19990703.072459.-84811.3.mbittner@juno.com> On Fri, 2 Jul 1999 07:49:44 -0400 (EDT) Dennis Ugulano writes: > Let me see. My collection contains 18 French planes. I > will be at > Hobbytown this afternoon for my class so I guess I could take some > French > planes home for a photo session. And I have a three day weekend so > I could > get Tech Support to work with me and add them to the site. Maybe I > can add > the Nieuport Triplane but that was built BRW (Before Roseplane > Wings) and > the top wing is crude. I wonder if I could replace the wing or just > build > another one. It's been at least 15 years. I think I've gotten > better in > that time. Besides, I have actual reference material now. So many > planes, > so little time. Add everything anyway! :-) Matt Bittner http://www.geocities.com/~ipmsfortcrook http://www.discoveromaha.com/community/groups/plasticmodelers/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Jul 1999 07:22:35 -0500 From: Matthew E Bittner To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Fledgling Gallery Message-ID: <19990703.072459.-84811.0.mbittner@juno.com> On Sat, 3 Jul 1999 02:47:20 -0400 (EDT) kevinkim@interlog.com (Kevin & Kimberley) writes: > Well, my digital camera arrived, so it didn't take long to get a > gallery up > on my hobby web page. I'm still trying to figure out how to take > nice, > sharp close-ups, so bear with me for the time being. I'll replace > all the > current gallery shots with better ones once I figure all this web > stuff > out, and then pass on some good pics to Allan too. > > In the mean time, drop by: > > http://kevinbarrett.net/Hobby/main.html > > Ya, ya, I know: I'm no Dennis. But I can still hold my head high in > a crowd > of off-topic people. ;-) Hey, this is *excellent*. Digital camera's are the best for web work, aren't they? Great models. I especially like that smallish one seater in Belgian markings. Unfortunately, I can't remember what it is for the life of me! ;-) Keep up the great work. Why isn't the LVG C.VI there? ;-) Plus, great going on page 3 of the C.III. Unlike me, you're adding just enough to the cockpit to satisfy you. I would have to add everything. Then again, that's the problem with anal modeling... :-) Matt Bittner http://www.geocities.com/~ipmsfortcrook http://www.discoveromaha.com/community/groups/plasticmodelers/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 03 Jul 1999 05:32:05 -0700 From: "Bob Pearson" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Fledgling Gallery Message-ID: <199907031242.FAA18497@mail.rapidnet.net> Matt writes . .. > Then again, that's the problem with anal modeling... :-) Matt .. and what scale would this be in? Bob ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Jul 1999 09:12:23 -0400 From: Dennis Ugulano To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Re: Fledgling Gallery Message-ID: <199907030912_MC2-7BB2-10CC@compuserve.com> Kevin, >> But I can still hold my head high in a crowd of off-topic people. ;-) << To hell with the off topic crowd. You can hold your head high here and I will lead the way announcing your arrival. Excellent work and I love your review of the Pegasus C.III. That is going to beautiful when completed. I too have the Meikraft C.III and I really like the dragon decal. I have been touching both of the kits lately. I may rob the Meikraft decals for the Pegasus kit. >> Well, my digital camera arrived, so it didn't take long to get a gallery up on my hobby web page. I'm still trying to figure out how to take nice, sharp close-ups, so bear with me for the time being. << I only have a 6 month jump on you as far as a web site. My photography is slowing coming of age. Close up work is difficult at best but the results are so rewarding. The closer you can get the better but getting light between the wings to show the detail has been my main problem. An indoor booth of some kind seems to me to be the way to go but I do not have that type of setup. And I'm getting shaky resisting the charms of a digital camera. I like my 35MM but the digital seems the way to go for models. Anyway, beautiful models. Keep up the good work and keep that head high. You have earned it. Dennis Ugulano email: Uggies@compuserve.com http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/uggies Page Revised 7/2/99 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Jul 1999 08:58:36 -0500 From: Matthew E Bittner To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Fledgling Gallery Message-ID: <19990703.090125.-124757.0.mbittner@juno.com> On Sat, 3 Jul 1999 08:32:04 -0400 (EDT) "Bob Pearson" writes: > Matt .. and what scale would this be in? Depends...and I won't go any farther... :-) Matt Bittner http://www.geocities.com/~ipmsfortcrook http://www.discoveromaha.com/community/groups/plasticmodelers/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Jul 1999 09:01:01 -0500 From: Matthew E Bittner To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Fledgling Gallery Message-ID: <19990703.090125.-124757.1.mbittner@juno.com> On Sat, 3 Jul 1999 09:12:51 -0400 (EDT) Dennis Ugulano writes: > I too have the Meikraft C.III and I really like the dragon > decal. > I have been touching both of the kits lately. I may rob the > Meikraft > decals for the Pegasus kit. Dennis, as an FYI, look at Bob's artwork before using the Meikraft decals. Meikraft supplies a handed image of the same "dragodile", while both sides are different. Matt Bittner http://www.geocities.com/~ipmsfortcrook http://www.discoveromaha.com/community/groups/plasticmodelers/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Jul 1999 09:05:44 -0500 From: Matthew E Bittner To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Kevin's Images Message-ID: <19990703.090548.-187677.0.mbittner@juno.com> Oh, forgot to mention. Excellent work on the Strutters as well! Definitely can't wait to see those. Matt Bittner http://www.geocities.com/~ipmsfortcrook http://www.discoveromaha.com/community/groups/plasticmodelers/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Jul 1999 07:06:10 -0700 From: Russell W Niles To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Albatross C.III Message-ID: <19990703.070610.-287175.0.r_niles1@juno.com> Good morning boys and girls all over the world. I have started my next OT subject, the Eduard Albatross C.III. I have the Datafile for this Aeroplane, and it is quite good. Lots of nice pictures and some interior data. My question to you all is, did Windsock do a fairly comprehensive review of this kit, and does any one have that issue, and could I get a copy of the review. Here in Sacramento, there are no shops that regulary carry the Windsock magazine, so my collection is limited to those that I have picked up second hand, or from San Antonio on the yearly trip to Mtn View. So far just the fuselage halves, and the top wing off the sprue. So literally just getting started. Of course it will be the croc-dragon scheme, and I may beg for help on this from our Alps printer folks too. Thanks in advance for the leads. Russ Niles IPMS 4450 Too close for missles....switching to guns. ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Jul 1999 07:32:54 -0700 From: "Mike" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Subject: Everybody is great! Message-ID: <005f01bec560$f1589800$c78c3ace@default> Have to do some major catching up with list replies! Kevin/Dennis - WOW, you are an inspriation to us all. I really like the ongoing build review of the Albatros C.III, have to pick one of them up. I have a picture of MvR climbing into one of his "personal" planes. Have to add this one to the MvR series now. (which has kind of gravitated toward being a 1/72nd series....) July Internet Modeller was fantastic as usual! I spent a whole evening with it and enjoyed all the articles. It is a big event around the house when it becomes available online each month. And also, a belated WELCOME to all the new members of the list who have been posting over the past couple of weeks. Anyone needing any info about building a WWI kit has definately found a home.... Also, I have a couple of pretty good detail shots of the nose area and cockpit of the Albatros C.III scanned and if you want them contact me off-list and I'll email them to you. Mike Dicianna "Der Rote Modellflugzeugbauer" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 03 Jul 1999 16:00:48 +0100 From: Pedro e Francisca Soares To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Fledgling Gallery Message-ID: <377E25A0.D39CCD5E@mail.telepac.pt> Kevin & Kimberley wrote: > Hi List, > > Well, my digital camera arrived, so it didn't take long to get a gallery up > on my hobby web page. I Ecellent stuff Kevin. Oh I've really got to finish something. You guys make my mouth water. Nb. - Revell camel ( waiting for decals) - TOKO Salamander - Fuselage done and tailplane and lower wing in place - Female MKIV - ready to paint - Off topic Fokker - Just got some awesome pics from Shane. I was planning an out of the box but now there's some work to be done. Pedro (Who just come home from a 20 minutes flight in a C-130 on PAF's day at Montijo Air base) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 03 Jul 1999 11:28:28 -0400 From: bucky@ptdprolog.net To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: von Tutschek Dr.1 Message-ID: <377E2C1C.B43153CD@ptdprolog.net> d mather wrote: Second question... Gottsch's Dr.1, 419/17 (swastika on fuselage). Was theupper wing actually entirely white on upper and lower surfaces? SS states"Upper wing painted white both sides". Also, was the fuselage (below thestabilizer) white also? > Thanks again gang! > doug (nurseguy and wannabe modeler) When I did mine, I used white on the entire wing and it looks cool! Couldn't find any photos that showed the opposite. Mike Muth ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Jul 1999 11:47:14 EDT From: Zulis@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Time for slammers.... Message-ID: <577a8e0a.24af8a82@aol.com> Good day everyone! Just got an email from a friend about Nostradamus' predictions that the world is due to end tomorrow.... uh huh. So, everyone - look at that stack of unfinished models in the den .... time for some serious slamming..... :-) DZ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 03 Jul 1999 11:05:26 -0500 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Time for slammers.... Message-ID: <377E34C6.142D@bellsouth.net> Zulis@aol.com wrote: > Just got an email from a friend about Nostradamus' predictions that the world > is due to end tomorrow.... uh huh. Tell your friend I'll bet him a thousand dollars that it doesn't. So, everyone - look at that stack of > unfinished models in the den .... time for some serious slamming..... :-) > Well, I got a bottom wing attached and a bunch of seams finished on the Edweird 17. If I finish this one, then I've only got another 57(1/48) or so OT kits to go. Guess I'll leave all the ot kits for those future archeologists. E. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Jul 1999 12:35:42 -0400 From: "David Vosburgh" To: Subject: Re: Time for slammers.... Message-ID: <000c01bec572$187c5e60$127433cf@Pvosburg> -----Original Message----- From: Ernest Thomas Date: Saturday, July 03, 1999 12:44 PM Subject: Re: Time for slammers.... E. writes >If I finish this one, then I've only got another 57(1/48) or >so OT kits to go. Guess I'll leave all the ot kits for those future >archeologists. IIRC, plastic lasts a LONG time. Remember Belloc's comment to Indiana Jones in 'Raiders of the Lost Ark' about a cheap watch? Something to the effect that if you bury it in the sand for a thousand years it becomes a priceless artifact... So just think, some day one of your kits may be a prize exhibit at the New Antarctica Museum of Pre-Catyclysmic Anthropology. Of course, it'll probably be labelled "Ceremonial Object" and placed alongside a naked Brittany Spears doll ("Ritualistic Figurine"). Regards, DV ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Jul 1999 18:58:34 +0200 From: "Tom Werner Hansen" To: Subject: Re: Another colour question. Message-ID: <199907031705.TAA01971@golf.dax.net> Aidrian. I've always wanted precise Methuens for bat blood and dragon bile. Please! If you can't do that, a description of how you got the "mix that reatins the essential red colour", will do. Tom W ---------- > From: Aidrian Bridgeman-Sutton > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: Another colour question. > Date: 02. juli 1999 21:01 > > Many thanks to those that offered help in my dilemma - after much messing > about with dollops of yellow ochre, chrome orange and bat' blood and dragon > bile, I think I have a mix which retains the essential red colour, while not > being so strong that it shouts down everything else. > > Aidrian > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 03 Jul 1999 12:05:17 -0500 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Time for slammers.... Message-ID: <377E42CD.247@bellsouth.net> David Vosburgh wrote: bury it in the sand > for a thousand years it becomes a priceless artifact... > Especially if you sell it on ebay. Of course, it'll probably be labelled "Ceremonial > Object" and placed alongside a naked Brittany Spears doll ("Ritualistic Figurine"). > You mean it's NOT a ritualistic figurine? Damn! E. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 03 Jul 1999 09:55:50 -0700 From: "Bob Pearson" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Meikraft Dragon C.III (was Re: Fledgling Gallery) Message-ID: <199907031723.KAA23544@mail.rapidnet.net> Dennis writes . . > I too have the Meikraft C.III and I really like the dragon decal. > I have been touching both of the kits lately. I may rob the Meikraft > decals for the Pegasus kit. Dennis, The Meikraft Dragon markings are incorrect for both sides of the aircraft. The side that comes closet to being correct is the starboard side. But that depicts the Dragon as a cross with Bohme/Lademachers Dragon and Flashar/von Hippel's Dragon. The port side isn't a dragon, but rather a crocodile. Check my full-size profile of the correct 'Dragodile' at http://pease1.sr.unh.edu/Images/Pearson/ this was on the rear cover of OTF 12/2 (and predates Rimell's recent effort if I may toot my own horn). Photos showing both sides can be seen on my website in the photo section (and for those who recall 'the scream heard around the world' the serial is visible on both sides of the fin). On the pease1 site I have the drawings I used to create the markings for the Dragodile in both 1/72 and 1/48 scale and Joey Valenciano has some files of it at his site as well for those who wish to make Alps decals of it Regards, Bob Pearson Visit my WW1 Aviation page http://members.xoom.com/Sopwith_5F1 Managing Editor / Internet Modeler http://www.internetmodeler.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Jul 1999 13:58:04 EDT From: GRBroman@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Ehmar MkIV Tank (1/72) Message-ID: <5faf30ce.24afa92c@aol.com> In a message dated 7/3/99 7:28:05 AM EST, mbittner@juno.com writes: > Actually, there were off topics that beat *both of us*. My off-topic > didn't win either. So there! :-P``` Careful Matt, or I might tell them that you secretly build airplanes with only one wing... And now I shall return to my basement where I will eagerly hack the excess resin off my Russian kit of the Eberhardt armored car with a chainsaw. Glen ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Jul 1999 16:27:02 -0400 From: "Brad Gossen" To: Subject: AGO C.1 Message-ID: <199907032028.QAA11376@mail5.globalserve.net> I just got hold of the new Datafile #75 and I notice there is no mention of the AGO which is in the Luft Museum in Switzerland (near Zurich? I forget what it's actually called). Does this mean that the beauty in Zurich is a repro, or perhaps a different Mk? In the photos it certainly appears to be a C.1. It has the most lovely candy stripe wood laminate booms which can just be made out in the pictures of the prototype in the File. If it's the real thing why would Mr. Rimell not have lot's of colour detail? The one I have the photo of is in Swiss markings. The rudder bears the serial No 245 H5. I notice it is conspicuously absent from Rimell's WW1 Survivors book leading me to believe it's a repro. What would possess someone to build a 1:1 scale repro of an AGO for a Swiss Air Museum? If this is the case then someone deserves the Noble Prize for replica aircraft! Can anyone shed some light on this aircraft? Brad ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Jul 1999 16:49:08 -0400 From: "David Vosburgh" To: Subject: Re: AGO C.1 Message-ID: <020e01bec595$7fcea280$0f7433cf@Pvosburg> Hi Brad The aeroplane in the Museum der Schweizerische Fliegertruppe at D"ubendorf is a DH-1 (not De Havilland!) designed by A. Haefeli, who had helped design the Ago C.1 in Germany. Just happened to have the WWI Aero (No.133) with pictures of this a/c lying on my computer desk... Regards, DV -----Original Message----- From: Brad Gossen To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Saturday, July 03, 1999 5:12 PM Subject: AGO C.1 >I just got hold of the new Datafile #75 and I notice there is no mention of >the AGO which is in the Luft Museum in Switzerland (near Zurich? I forget >what it's actually called). Does this mean that the beauty in Zurich is a >repro, or perhaps a different Mk? In the photos it certainly appears to be >a C.1. It has the most lovely candy stripe wood laminate booms which can >just be made out in the pictures of the prototype in the File. If it's the >real thing why would Mr. Rimell not have lot's of colour detail? The one I >have the photo of is in Swiss markings. The rudder bears the serial No 245 >H5. I notice it is conspicuously absent from Rimell's WW1 Survivors book >leading me to believe it's a repro. What would possess someone to build a >1:1 scale repro of an AGO for a Swiss Air Museum? If this is the case then >someone deserves the Noble Prize for replica aircraft! Can anyone shed some >light on this aircraft? > >Brad > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Jul 1999 16:59:21 -0400 From: "Brad Gossen" To: Subject: Re: AGO C.1 Message-ID: <199907032101.RAA12617@mail5.globalserve.net> Aha! That explains it. I should have finished the text before I posted (got carried away looking at the pictures) I now see that Mr. Grosz has added a footnote to the effect that Haefeli and Schropp returned to Switzerland and designed the DH 1 around the 120 hp Argus. I still find it strange that Rimell would not mention it as it's a dead ringer for the AGO C.1 and apparently an original airframe. It should at least qualify for his 'Survivors' book. Thanks Dave Brad ---------- > From: David Vosburgh > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: AGO C.1 > Date: Saturday, July 03, 1999 4:47 PM > > Hi Brad > > The aeroplane in the Museum der Schweizerische Fliegertruppe at D"ubendorf is a DH-1 (not > De Havilland!) designed by A. Haefeli, who had helped design the Ago C.1 in Germany. > > Just happened to have the WWI Aero (No.133) with pictures of this a/c lying on my computer > desk... > > Regards, > > DV > > -----Original Message----- > From: Brad Gossen > To: Multiple recipients of list > Date: Saturday, July 03, 1999 5:12 PM > Subject: AGO C.1 > > > >I just got hold of the new Datafile #75 and I notice there is no mention of > >the AGO which is in the Luft Museum in Switzerland (near Zurich? I forget > >what it's actually called). Does this mean that the beauty in Zurich is a > >repro, or perhaps a different Mk? In the photos it certainly appears to be > >a C.1. It has the most lovely candy stripe wood laminate booms which can > >just be made out in the pictures of the prototype in the File. If it's the > >real thing why would Mr. Rimell not have lot's of colour detail? The one I > >have the photo of is in Swiss markings. The rudder bears the serial No 245 > >H5. I notice it is conspicuously absent from Rimell's WW1 Survivors book > >leading me to believe it's a repro. What would possess someone to build a > >1:1 scale repro of an AGO for a Swiss Air Museum? If this is the case then > >someone deserves the Noble Prize for replica aircraft! Can anyone shed some > >light on this aircraft? > > > >Brad > > ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 1679 **********************