WWI Digest 1676 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: OT movie for southern Californians by Albatrosdv@aol.com 2) Re: OT movie for southern Californians by Albatrosdv@aol.com 3) !@#$%^&* MS products by "Bob Pearson" 4) James Landon LeRhone by Pedro e Francisca Soares 5) Re: Pegasus Alb C.III by Pedro e Francisca Soares 6) Re: !@#$%^&* MS products by Pedro e Francisca Soares 7) Re: !@#$%^&* MS products by "Paul Schwartzkopf" 8) Re: Clement Ader's Eole 1890 by "Bill Neill" 9) Re: Clement Ader's Eole 1890 by "DAVID BURKE" 10) RE: James Landon LeRhone by "Landon, James D" 11) RE: OT movie for southern Californians by "John C Glaser" 12) Thanks re: Canada Day - but check out Scotland! by Zulis@aol.com 13) RE: Transluscence by Shane Weier 14) Re: Another one bites the dust by Dennis Ugulano 15) Re: Thanks re: Canada Day - but check out Scotland! by Albatrosdv@aol.com 16) Re: Revell 1/28 Dr.1 Question by Russell W Niles 17) Re: Transluscence by "David R.L. Laws" 18) Re: Thanks re: Canada Day - but check out Scotland! by "David R.L. Laws" 19) Re: Another one bites the dust by Matthew E Bittner 20) Re: Another one bites the dust by Matthew E Bittner 21) Re: Another one bites the dust by Matthew E Bittner 22) Re: Another one bites the dust by Matthew E Bittner 23) Re: Clement Ader's Eole 1890 by Ernest Thomas 24) Re: OT movie for southern Californians by "Brad Gossen" 25) Re: WWI books... by bucky@ptdprolog.net 26) Re: WWI books... by "Brad Gossen" 27) Re: WWI books... by mkendix 28) Re: !@#$%^&* MS products by "richard eaton" 29) Re: Clement Ader's Eole 1890 by "Bill Neill" 30) Re: Thanks re: Canada Day - but check out Scotland! by "DAVID BURKE" 31) Re: Short Bomber vs Ilya by Brent & Tina Theobald 32) Re: Clement Ader's Eole 1890 by "Eli Geher" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 15:46:28 EDT From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: OT movie for southern Californians Message-ID: In a message dated 99-07-01 15:28:22 EDT, you write: << Tom: Where and when can we sign up? - JCG >> As I said - check with the Film and TV Archive at UCLA. If there is any announcement made at the screening in August, I will provide further info here. Tom C ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 15:45:36 EDT From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: OT movie for southern Californians Message-ID: In a message dated 99-07-01 15:21:59 EDT, you write: << Will this restoration be available to the general public? >> Yes. But don't ask me where - you could check with the UCLA Film and TV Archive. Tom C ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Jul 1999 13:46:18 -0700 From: "Bob Pearson" To: ww1 mailing list Subject: !@#$%^&* MS products Message-ID: <199907012057.NAA28212@mail.rapidnet.net> As a confirmed MS email user for the past 2+ years it is with sad heart that I must announce that for the third time in a week Outlook Express crashed on me with a system error type 11 .. this time I lost at least 53 incoming messages after reinstallion. Therefore anyone who has sent me a message since around midnight on July 1st could you please resend it. MS motto "it's not a bug .. it's a feature" BTW does this message come with all that attached crap we notice in people who forget to turn off the HTML function have in theirs - if so I'll turn it off? Regards, Bob Pearson Visit my WW1 Aviation page http://members.xoom.com/Sopwith_5F1 Managing Editor / Internet Modeler www.internetmodeler.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Jul 1999 21:42:56 +0100 From: Pedro e Francisca Soares To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: James Landon LeRhone Message-ID: <377BD2CF.A0C49F0B@mail.telepac.pt> James Only now did I get to see your Magnificent engine on your very interesting site. WOW!!!!. It really looks great. Congrats. Time to try one of them 1/72 thingies. You have all the qualifications it takes to join the true side of the force. Please do not let us down. Um abraco Obi wan Soares, in Portugal ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Jul 1999 21:47:53 +0100 From: Pedro e Francisca Soares To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Pegasus Alb C.III Message-ID: <377BD3F9.9F4C2938@mail.telepac.pt> Kevin & Kimberley wrote: See the genesis at: > > http://kevinbarrett.net/Hobby/alb_ciii.html > > I hope this goes better than my "Journey into 1/48" series of posts which > were sent to the list over a year ago! > > Kevin Barrett. Kevin, Great site. Thanks for showing us all this. Can't wait for the next page. Um abraco Pedro ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Jul 1999 21:51:09 +0100 From: Pedro e Francisca Soares To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: !@#$%^&* MS products Message-ID: <377BD4BD.A166B87B@mail.telepac.pt> Bob Pearson wrote: > BTW does this message come with all that attached crap we notice in people > who forget to turn off the HTML function have in theirs - if so I'll turn it > off? > > Regards, > Bob Pearson > > Visit my WW1 Aviation page > http://members.xoom.com/Sopwith_5F1 > > Managing Editor / Internet Modeler > www.internetmodeler.com Bob, No crap attached. Pedro, former outlook user who went over to Netscape because was completely fed-up, pissed-off, with the way outlook works (or doesn't). ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Jul 1999 16:05:01 -0500 From: "Paul Schwartzkopf" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: !@#$%^&* MS products Message-ID: No incoming crap showed up here. Have you tried something other than MS products (such as Pegasus Mail)? Paul >>BTW does this message come with all that attached crap we notice in people who forget to turn off the HTML function have in theirs - if so I'll turn it off? Regards, Bob Pearson<< ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 14:33:49 -0700 From: "Bill Neill" To: Subject: Re: Clement Ader's Eole 1890 Message-ID: <006001bec40a$a0dce220$2032c0d8@bill> I think the trick with canards is to make the canard a lifting surface (ie not just a control surface) and to design the canard to stall before the main wing. This automatically drops the nose before wing stall. Anyhow, this is what I recall from my distant days of building flying models. Bill Neill >to these canards, how does the, "impossible to stall" > claim of the canard stand up to the golden rule, "any a/c can stall at > any airspeed, any attitude, and in any flight config"? > E. > >> ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 16:44:53 -0500 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: Clement Ader's Eole 1890 Message-ID: <005001bec40a$f683c360$6bf210d1@dora9sprynet.com> That's the way it was explained to me - that the canard is a lifting body that stalls before the wing, so the A/C picks up enough airspeed as a result of the negative pitch. Canards also make excellent airbrakes. I doubt that I'd want them as elevators though. They need to be fixed in flight to work correctly. The coolest canards that I can think of are on the Tu-144 supersonic transport. The coolest ones on an OT aircraft? Dave B. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Jul 1999 15:49:11 -0600 From: "Landon, James D" To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: James Landon LeRhone Message-ID: <98B98E951BA0D1119A590000F8045A47030A2F98@emss02m05.ems.lmco.com> Thanks "Obi Wan". ;-) You are too kind. Jim, using only the finest all natural organic materials ;-) (balsa wood and tissue paper) (except for the plastic engine cylinders, steel piano wire and steel propeller hub & shaft) ;-) http://www.freeyellow.com/members6/titanman/page6.html > ---------- > From: Pedro e Francisca Soares > Reply To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu > Sent: Thursday, July 1, 1999 2:52 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: James Landon LeRhone > > James > > Only now did I get to see your Magnificent engine on your very interesting > site. > > WOW!!!!. It really looks great. Congrats. > > > Time to try one of them 1/72 thingies. You have all the qualifications it > takes > to join the true side of the force. > > Please do not let us down. > > Um abraco > Obi wan Soares, in Portugal > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 17:52:17 -0500 From: "John C Glaser" To: Subject: RE: OT movie for southern Californians Message-ID: Thanks. - JCG -----Original Message----- From: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu [mailto:wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu]On Behalf Of Albatrosdv@aol.com Sent: Thursday, July 01, 1999 2:51 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: OT movie for southern Californians In a message dated 99-07-01 15:28:22 EDT, you write: << Tom: Where and when can we sign up? - JCG >> As I said - check with the Film and TV Archive at UCLA. If there is any announcement made at the screening in August, I will provide further info here. Tom C ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 19:02:31 EDT From: Zulis@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Thanks re: Canada Day - but check out Scotland! Message-ID: Thank you to the list members wishing us Canucks a happy Canada Day! - but did you hear the news about Scotland? Today, for the first time in almost three hundred years - they have their own parliament. Now THAT is cool! Congrats, Sandy! Way to go, guys. Dave Z ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 09:42:43 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Transluscence Message-ID: <65C968E11318D311B0BD0060B06865CD041157@mimhexch.mim.com.au> David, > Quick tip for scoring wing ribs too - Very lightly does it for the > bottom ribs - That's if you are going to score these at all - > !!! check > the photo references before even bothering to score the bottom surface > : You might just find decalled rib taps is all you really need !!! - > For the top do these a little more firmly **but just a little more > firmly ** My experience is that the ribs *must* be scored on both surfaces with equal weight of when the wing is finished one or several of these things will happen 1. Curved leading edge. This *always* happens if you try to emboss half ribs because the card in the centre of the envelope which becomes the LE once it's folded has been stretched more than the TE. It may not be much but will be almost impossible to prebvent no matter how firmly you tape the LE while inserting the core and if it *is* possible.... 2. Over a period of days to months the wing will become curved as the stresses forced on it to remove curvature of the envelope begin to act on the core. If the underside has *not* been scored the wings will eventually delelop a curved anhedral or.... 3. Cracking of the TE and delamination of the skin My preference is to emboss both surfaces then sand the underside smooth. However, in the original Alcorn scratchbuilding book one of the authors uses separate top and bottom surfaces at the considerable cost (bearable at the big and clunky scales used) of having to mate separate top and bottom surfaces at the LE. Shane ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 20:07:56 -0400 From: Dennis Ugulano To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Re: Another one bites the dust Message-ID: <199907012008_MC2-7B96-EEDF@compuserve.com> Matt, >> Just added to my cabinet a Pegasus Roland D.II. << Excellent choice of kits. And Congratulations on completing it. But you know the routine. After a completion, pictures must follow soon after. Then you will have praise and adulation heaped upon you in such large amounts that the Nieuport 17 will fall together so you can repeat the cycle. Hey, it works for me. :-) Dennis Ugulano email: Uggies@compuserve.com http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/uggies Page Revised 6/21/99 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 20:13:00 EDT From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Thanks re: Canada Day - but check out Scotland! Message-ID: <7200217.24ad5e0c@aol.com> In a message dated 99-07-01 19:15:10 EDT, you write: << - but did you hear the news about Scotland? Today, for the first time in almost three hundred years - they have their own parliament >> Does this mean they're going to paint their faces blue and go charging around up hill and down dale??? :-) Tom C (A McKelvey Scot) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 17:03:00 -0700 From: Russell W Niles To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Revell 1/28 Dr.1 Question Message-ID: <19990701.172752.-153447.1.r_niles1@juno.com> "John C Glaser" writes: >I'm currently mid-build on this very old subject and have gotten >around to >contemplating the unbalanced ailerons. Once removed from the wing, >what are >recommended methods to convert them into a balanced set? I think I >recall a >previous post (from the evil Mr. E?) saying it is an easy fix. > >Any suggestions? > >Thanks. > >- JCG > When I built this last year, all I did was remove the offending aileron, and lay the wing on a sheet of paper, trace around the correct one, and then cut out, sand, etc the new one. A few lengths of hsp tto show the ribs, then some pins and back onto the wing she went. Russ Niles IPMS 4450 Too close for missles...switching to guns ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Jul 1999 11:10:15 +0000 From: "David R.L. Laws" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Transluscence Message-ID: <377C9E18.66C6@webtime.com.au> Shane, Party pooper ! ... Well it's only a recent experiment which has worked without any of the problems you have potentiously forshadowed - YET !?? But I'll keep you all posted. I have just floated something new which some other cunning devil might be able to use as springboard for improvement - Speaking of " cunning devils " - any thoughts on the idea from Bob Karr, Joey V or Alberto and other " scratchers " on the list or would you all be inclined to agree with " el Miestro d' Biff " Shane W and reckon this is a Lead Zeppelin ( dud idea ) doomed to failure too ?? The clear drink bottle plastic I used is pretty thick - I frankly expected warping left right and centre but the wing panels seem to be pretty happy, true and stable, ***at the moment*** Also on the mock-up I did to try the experiment I used the struts and rigging as true structural elements in an effort to keep the whole thing squared up - Perhaps it just " beginner's luck " and it will never work again or just start warping when the warmer weather comes again !!! Points taken though - I couldn't see this method working on a monoplane UNLESS dead true and completely non-bendable spars could be devised - Forget brass for this one - I tried it - Even in 1/48, solid or hollow section bends unacceptably - Without reliably true spars there's almost nothing to keep the whole sheebang squared throughout the length of the wing panel - Generally and for bi/tri planes I suspect a modification by way of using heat stretched strip card to build up the l/edge rib contours and any half ribs would be a preferred option too thus avoiding the " distortion differentials " caused by the use of different scoring pressures on the upper and lower surfaces COMPOUNDED BY the deep scoring all along the leading edge Shane Weier wrote: > > 1. Curved leading edge. This *always* happens if you try to emboss half ribs> because the card in the centre of the envelope which becomes the LE once it's folded has been stretched more than the TE. It may not be much but will be almost impossible to prevent no matter how firmly you tape the LE while inserting the core ( HOWEVER, IN THE METHOD I EMPLOYED THERE IS NO BALSA OR SIMLIAR SOLID CORE, ONLY THE SPAR MEMBERS ) and if it *is* possible.... > > 2. Over a period of days to months the wing will become curved as the stresses forced on it to remove curvature of the envelope begin to act on the core. If the underside has *not* been scored the wings will eventually develop a curved anhedral or.... > > 3. Cracking of the TE and delamination of the skin > Shane ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Jul 1999 11:26:05 +0000 From: "David R.L. Laws" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Thanks re: Canada Day - but check out Scotland! Message-ID: <377CA1CE.10C@webtime.com.au> Albatrosdv@aol.com wrote: > Today, for the first time in almost three hundred years - they have their own parliament >> > ABOUT TIME TOO ! DAVID ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 20:16:17 -0500 From: Matthew E Bittner To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Another one bites the dust Message-ID: <19990701.202639.-129773.0.mbittner@juno.com> On Thu, 1 Jul 1999 07:56:30 -0400 (EDT) "Diego Fernetti" writes: > Pic-tures! Pic-tures! Pic-tures! Pic-tures! > (read this thinking in a crowd toting torches outside the walls of > Bittner > castle) Au-gust! Au-gust! Au-gust! Yikes! Matt Bittner http://www.geocities.com/~ipmsfortcrook http://www.discoveromaha.com/community/groups/plasticmodelers/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 20:21:44 -0500 From: Matthew E Bittner To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Another one bites the dust Message-ID: <19990701.202639.-129773.2.mbittner@juno.com> On Thu, 1 Jul 1999 13:04:26 -0400 (EDT) mkendix writes: > It probably takes Matt less time because he's more experienced but > not > that much less since he insists on chopping the wings into a minimum > of 5 > pieces prior to commencing. Geez, Mike. >:-P Matt Bittner http://www.geocities.com/~ipmsfortcrook http://www.discoveromaha.com/community/groups/plasticmodelers/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 20:20:28 -0500 From: Matthew E Bittner To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Another one bites the dust Message-ID: <19990701.202639.-129773.1.mbittner@juno.com> On Thu, 1 Jul 1999 12:25:01 -0400 (EDT) "Landon, James D" writes: > Just curious Matt ... how long *DOES* it take you "Mr. Tiny Planes" > guys ;-) > to build a typical 1/72 or 1/48 plastic bipe model? (Having never > ever > built one myself) That depends. Don't ask. ;-) Matt Bittner http://www.geocities.com/~ipmsfortcrook http://www.discoveromaha.com/community/groups/plasticmodelers/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 20:25:12 -0500 From: Matthew E Bittner To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Another one bites the dust Message-ID: <19990701.202639.-129773.3.mbittner@juno.com> On Thu, 1 Jul 1999 20:08:48 -0400 (EDT) Dennis Ugulano writes: > Excellent choice of kits. And Congratulations on completing > it. > But you know the routine. After a completion, pictures must follow > soon > after. Then you will have praise and adulation heaped upon you in > such > large amounts that the Nieuport 17 will fall together so you can > repeat the > cycle. Hey, it works for me. :-) Thanks for the good words! Matt Bittner http://www.geocities.com/~ipmsfortcrook http://www.discoveromaha.com/community/groups/plasticmodelers/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Jul 1999 20:33:35 -0500 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Clement Ader's Eole 1890 Message-ID: <377C16EF.7732@bellsouth.net> Bill Neill wrote: > > I think the trick with canards is to make the canard a lifting surface (ie > not just a control surface) and to design the canard to stall before the > main wing. This automatically drops the nose before wing stall. Anyhow, this > is what I recall from my distant days of building flying models. Yes, of course. But this doesn't answer the question. E. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 21:34:04 -0400 From: "Brad Gossen" To: Subject: Re: OT movie for southern Californians Message-ID: <199907020135.VAA16978@mail5.globalserve.net> Jim My copy was released by MCA- Universal video in 1978. It includes three scenes which were done in experimental colour by Hughes and later dropped for the original theatre release and restored for the video release. It also includes a restored newsreel trailer of opening night showing aircraft buzzing Graumman's[?] Chinese Theatre. The sound is not great so I'd love to get a copy of this new digitally remastered release. The MCA copy is widely available for around $14 Cdn. The ISBN is 0-7832-0207-5. There was also a nifty poster released with the video. About 10 years ago I was lucky enough to find an original colour tinted glass theatre slide in a flea market. It features the not so subliminal image of Miss Harlow's ample frontage competing with a flaming Zepp. Brad ---------- > From: Landon, James D > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: RE: OT movie for southern Californians > Date: Thursday, July 01, 1999 2:40 PM > > <<..and lots and lots of real SE5a's.>> > > I suppose it's out of the question that one could get one's hands on a video > tape of said movie. > > Jim > > > ---------- > > From: Brad Gossen > > Reply To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu > > Sent: Thursday, July 1, 1999 11:21 AM > > To: Multiple recipients of list > > Subject: Re: OT movie for southern Californians > > > > ..and lots and lots of real SE5a's. Much of the film was shot from a DH4. > > Makes me sorta quivery all over, as does Miss Harlow. > > > > Brad > > > > ---------- > > > From: Albatrosdv@aol.com > > > To: Multiple recipients of list > > > Subject: Re: OT movie for southern Californians > > > Date: Wednesday, June 30, 1999 11:12 PM > > > > > > Just thought those on the list who live in Southern California might > > like > > to > > > know that on Wednesday, August 4, at 8PM, a print of "Hells Angels" > > newly > > > > > restored by the UCLA Film and TV Archive will be shown at the Alex > > Theater in > > > Glendale, a restored 1924 movie palace. Tickets are $10/person and I > > suggest > > > you purchase early. > > > > > > Three Fokker D.VIIs... > > > > > > Two Pfalz D.XIIs... > > > > > > Two Nieuport 28s... > > > > > > Jean Harlow... > > > > > > A Zeppelin... > > > > > > All kinds of 1920s airplanes masquerading as WW1 airplanes. > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > Tom Cleaver > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Jul 1999 21:41:45 -0400 From: bucky@ptdprolog.net To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: WWI books... Message-ID: <377C18D9.A671C2AA@ptdprolog.net> Hmmmm...good question. In all honesty, I've liked most of the ones I've read. I think there was a book titled "Wonder Heroes of the Air" that was pretty bad..... Mike Muth Suvoroff@aol.com wrote: > I am currently reading _The First of the Few_, by Denis Winter, and have > found it an interesting read, but full of gaffes. My favorite is the > following explanation of the difficulty in igniting observation balloons - > > "...in cold weather both helium and argon burnt with difficulty." > > The question of "best WWI book" has come up on the list before, but now I ask > the question, what was the WORST WWI airplane book you ever read? > > Yours, > James D. Gray ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 22:14:25 -0400 From: "Brad Gossen" To: Subject: Re: WWI books... Message-ID: <199907020216.WAA19704@mail5.globalserve.net> The Canvas Falcons by Stephen Longstreet is a good one to avoid. Brad ---------- > From: Suvoroff@aol.com > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: WWI books... > Date: Thursday, July 01, 1999 3:28 AM > > I am currently reading _The First of the Few_, by Denis Winter, and have > found it an interesting read, but full of gaffes. My favorite is the > following explanation of the difficulty in igniting observation balloons - > > "...in cold weather both helium and argon burnt with difficulty." > > The question of "best WWI book" has come up on the list before, but now I ask > the question, what was the WORST WWI airplane book you ever read? > > Yours, > James D. Gray ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 22:31:06 -0400 (EDT) From: mkendix To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: WWI books... Message-ID: On Thu, 1 Jul 1999, Brad Gossen wrote: > The Canvas Falcons by Stephen Longstreet is a good one to avoid. > Brad: Oh dear! That's one of the few books on WWI that I actually have read, aside from several Datafiles. Most of what I need to know, I simply ask this list. I prefer to read about WWI ground war (sorry); just finished Sassoon's trilogy, "Memoirs of George Sherston" which I recommend, and am now reading Terraine's "Ordeal to Victory". I found "Canvas Falcons" interesting, and it had a few nice pictures; well the pictures are right, only the captions are wrong! For an ignoramous like myself, it was a good starting point. I tried reading "Fighting the Flying Circus" but found it a little turgid. Just my ill-informed views. Michael mkendix@worthen.ihcrp.georgetown.edu ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 21:45:32 -0500 From: "richard eaton" To: Subject: Re: !@#$%^&* MS products Message-ID: <199907020245.VAA12723@sierra.onr.com> Ah yes another satisfied customer! Regards, Richard Fellow MS user and now working for their nemesis! ---------- > From: Bob Pearson > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: !@#$%^&* MS products > Date: Thursday, July 01, 1999 3:47 PM > > As a confirmed MS email user for the past 2+ years it is with sad heart that > I must announce that for the third time in a week Outlook Express crashed on > me with a system error type 11 .. this time I lost at least 53 incoming > messages after reinstallion. > > Therefore anyone who has sent me a message since around midnight on July 1st > could you please resend it. > > MS motto "it's not a bug .. it's a feature" > > BTW does this message come with all that attached crap we notice in people > who forget to turn off the HTML function have in theirs - if so I'll turn it > off? > > Regards, > Bob Pearson > > Visit my WW1 Aviation page > http://members.xoom.com/Sopwith_5F1 > > Managing Editor / Internet Modeler > www.internetmodeler.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 20:15:22 -0700 From: "Bill Neill" To: Subject: Re: Clement Ader's Eole 1890 Message-ID: <004101bec439$220e6020$0712c0d8@bill> Sorry, I think I forgot what the question was :-) anyhow, early canards like the Wrights put the elevators at the front, which gets you an unstable airplane. Once you treat it a a tandem wing airplane, and tailor the front and rear surfaces correctly, then it works good. Bill N > Yes, of course. But this doesn't answer the question. > E. > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 22:37:43 -0500 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: Thanks re: Canada Day - but check out Scotland! Message-ID: <005701bec43c$42e77720$7af410d1@dora9sprynet.com> Great for Scotland! So I guess that in another four-hundred years, the Irish will get to have their own Parliament. Or druid ring, or whatever they want to have. :) -----Original Message----- From: Zulis@aol.com To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Thursday, July 01, 1999 6:15 PM Subject: Thanks re: Canada Day - but check out Scotland! > >Thank you to the list members wishing us Canucks a happy Canada Day! > >- but did you hear the news about Scotland? Today, for the first time in >almost three hundred years - they have their own parliament. Now THAT is >cool! >Congrats, Sandy! Way to go, guys. > >Dave Z ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Jul 1999 22:52:31 -0700 From: Brent & Tina Theobald To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Short Bomber vs Ilya Message-ID: <377C539E.F9A0C48@airmail.net> Greetings! > There's an Sirframes Short Type 184 with floats, which is different from > the Sierra vac. I have never heard of the Sirframes company. Any contact info or remarks on quality? Brent ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 23:20:38 -0500 From: "Eli Geher" To: Subject: Re: Clement Ader's Eole 1890 Message-ID: <018001bec442$5411f060$726086d0@eligeher> -----Original Message----- From: Bill Neill >anyhow, early canards like the Wrights put the elevators at the front, which >gets you an unstable airplane. Once you treat it a a tandem wing airplane, >and tailor the front and rear surfaces correctly, then it works good. It wasn't the canard elevator that made the 1903 flyer unstable. It was the distance of both the rudders and elevators from the center of gravity. Too close. In technical terms. the control moment arms were too short to allow the surfaces to generate sufficient control force. The 1904 machine had both moment arms extended and the 1905 flyer was even longer. The 1905 machine flew regularly, frequently and publicly around the Huffman pasture site near Dayton (now part of Wright Patterson Air Force Base) and was the airplane on which the brothers Wright actually became pilots. The 1903 machine was probably too unstable to do more than the 4 short hops it made. Eli Geher ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 1676 **********************