WWI Digest 1675 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Clement Ader's Eole 1890 by Mike Fletcher 2) Re: Short Bomber vs Ilya by Matthew E Bittner 3) Another one bites the dust by Matthew E Bittner 4) Polly S Help by Matthew E Bittner 5) Re: APMA Site update by "Robert Johnson" 6) RE: July Internet Modeler by "Diego Fernetti" 7) RE: Worst WWI books... by "Diego Fernetti" 8) RE: Another one bites the dust by "Diego Fernetti" 9) Re: Short Bomber vs Ilya by mkendix 10) Re: Another one bites the dust by Suvoroff@aol.com 11) Re: WWI books... by "Mark Shanks" 12) RE: Another one bites the dust by "Landon, James D" 13) Forgotten WWI book was ( Re: Worst WWI books... by "cameron rile" 14) John Duigan was Re: Clement Ader's Eole 1890 by "cameron rile" 15) RE: Forgotten WWI book was ( Re: Worst WWI books... by "Diego Fernetti" 16) Re: WWI books... by "DAVID BURKE" 17) Re: Clement Ader's Eole 1890 by Albatrosdv@aol.com 18) RE: Another one bites the dust by mkendix 19) Re: Forgotten WWI book was ( Re: Worst WWI books... by KarrArt@aol.com 20) Re: OT movie for southern Californians by "Brad Gossen" 21) RE: Another one bites the dust by "Landon, James D" 22) RE: OT movie for southern Californians by "Landon, James D" 23) Re: OT movie for southern Californians by Albatrosdv@aol.com 24) RE: OT movie for southern Californians by "John C Glaser" 25) RE: OT movie for southern Californians by "John C Glaser" 26) Re: WWI books... by "Lee J Mensinger" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 01 Jul 1999 01:37:02 -0700 From: Mike Fletcher To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Clement Ader's Eole 1890 Message-ID: <377B28AE.30852AEF@mars.ark.com> Ernest Thomas wrote: > > Albatrosdv@aol.com wrote: > > But to get back to these canards, how does the, "impossible to stall" > claim of the canard stand up to the golden rule, "any a/c can stall at > any airspeed, any attitude, and in any flight config"? > E. Not very well - they'll still stall but really what is important is what happens when it does. The aircraft of ww1 (whew - back on topic) were not as well designed as modern aircraft and sometimes behaved in unpredictable ways, particularly those of the Wrights as they were intended to be unstable. Most period aircraft have thin wings with sharp leading edges - exactly the prescription for a nasty stall. Modern (properly designed) canards such as the Vari-eze are not significantly different flight handling-wise from (properly designed) conventional aircraft, but have the advantage of lower weight and slightly reduced drag. The race that the Nieuport 10 was originally designed for had a new stipulation that year of manditory low-speed handling characteristics because of fatalities caused by aircraft that traded handling for speed. Even the best of the lot were not acceptable by modern standards, and adding the promise of canards to the mix did not work as well as hoped simply because the technology was not sufficiently advanced to use it to advantage - something that evidently had to wait until the 1960's and 70's. -- Mike Fletcher ___ ., mdf@mars.ark.com |-\|^----! ; mikef@sparc.nic.bc.ca |--n--""*" icq=19554083 @ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 05:33:37 -0500 From: Matthew E Bittner To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Short Bomber vs Ilya Message-ID: <19990701.053838.-28299.1.mbittner@juno.com> On Thu, 1 Jul 1999 02:51:40 -0400 (EDT) "Bob Pearson" writes: > I believe the Sierra has a 1/72nd Vacform of it. . Yup. Just looking at his site now. Matt Bittner http://www.geocities.com/~ipmsfortcrook http://www.discoveromaha.com/community/groups/plasticmodelers/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 05:36:56 -0500 From: Matthew E Bittner To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Another one bites the dust Message-ID: <19990701.053838.-28299.3.mbittner@juno.com> Woo hoo!! Just added to my cabinet a Pegasus Roland D.II. And it's about time, too. The only other model that has taken longer is the dreaded Nieuport 16. And parts of it are on my table now... Matt Bittner http://www.geocities.com/~ipmsfortcrook http://www.discoveromaha.com/community/groups/plasticmodelers/index.html nb: Revell Fokker D.VII using Rosemont's new early nose conversion; Nieuport 16 nu: off-topic armor, along with the SPAD 11 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 05:38:37 -0500 From: Matthew E Bittner To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Polly S Help Message-ID: <19990701.053838.-28299.4.mbittner@juno.com> Drat. I get ready to work on the Nie.16, and I see I'm out of a crucial paint. If anybody has access to the old Polly S line, I'm looking for: 500032 Sky Blue Two bottles, if possible. I would use something else, but since the rest of the plane is already painted (I'm just re-painting the underside of the upper wing) I need to keep a match. grumblegrumblegrumblegrumblegrumblegrumble TIA! Matt Bittner http://www.geocities.com/~ipmsfortcrook http://www.discoveromaha.com/community/groups/plasticmodelers/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 00:14:36 -0500 From: "Robert Johnson" To: Subject: Re: APMA Site update Message-ID: <00db01bec380$9dd58940$05f99ed0@robjohn.swdata.com> Red wine is good :-) I'm not inclined to limit my alcohol intake. rob johnson -----Original Message----- From: Shane +ACY- Lorna Jenkins +ADw-sljenkins+AEA-tac.com.au+AD4- To: Multiple recipients of list +ADw-wwi+AEA-pease1.sr.unh.edu+AD4- Date: Wednesday, June 30, 1999 9:23 PM Subject: Re: APMA Site update +AD4-From: +ACI-Robert Johnson+ACI- +ADw-roguerpj+AEA-black-hole.com+AD4- +AD4- +AD4APg-Say is that an Ilya I spy on the table of models from Australian Society of +AD4APg-WW1 Aero Historians display? If so what scale? +AD4- +AD4-It sure is Rob. It's scratchbuilt and is in 1/72 scale. +AD4- +AD4APg-All look good it is nice to see that many on topic models in one place. I hope +AD4-you are prod of the event.Wish I could fly in from the states and see you +AD4-wonderful country. Guess I will have to settle for the new beer I found in the +AD4-import section, Sheaf Stout. Its a lot better that Fosters. +AD4- +AD4-Red wine is better than +ACo-any+ACo- beer +ADs--) +AD4- +AD4-Lorna +AD4- +AD4-rob johnson +AD4- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 08:16:38 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: Subject: RE: July Internet Modeler Message-ID: <003501bec2ea$061f4140$4640a8c0@prens-001.ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Good issue again! IM has become an important source of modeling information for me, second to this list. Finescale Modeler magazine (once revered for me) has devaluated over this years, altough I should mention that it's responsible to my return to the plastic kits. Gee, is that last assertion a good thing? For the hobby, I mean.... D. -----Mensaje original----- De: Bob Pearson Para: Multiple recipients of list Fecha: Miércoles, 30 de Junio de 1999 09:37 p.m. Asunto: Re: July Internet Modeler > >>Yeah, yeah, but what the hell is that funny looking red thing on the cover? >> >>Shane >>(Down Sandy, it isn't THAT red thing) > >ROTFLMSHO > >Actually that red thing is by none other than Tony Goetz . . . . son of RK >. . . > > >Bob > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 08:46:19 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: Subject: RE: Worst WWI books... Message-ID: <003c01bec2ee$2b5d6aa0$4640a8c0@prens-001.ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> -----Mensaje original----- De: Suvoroff@aol.com >The question of "best WWI book" has come up on the list before, but now I ask >the question, what was the WORST WWI airplane book you ever read? > >Yours, >James D. Gray > It was a biography of MVR (it doesn't even had an author's name in the cover!), spanish edition, that every two pages described the dogfights with "he poured a heavy rain of bullets over his enemy". I don't know in english, but in spanish this phrase sounds very funny and by the middle of the book I quit reading. It was a very rainy book for my taste. I suspect that it was a cheap translation of "Der Röte Kampflieger", book that I have in german (and in unreadable gothic typography). As I don't understand the language of Goethe I've never read this one, not to be too anxious to see what ol' fat Göring had to say about Manfred. Allow me a little disgression here. What would have happened if MVR wouldn't have died in glory during the war? Would he have become a disgusting nazi as Göring was? MVR was an aristocrat, and they weren't friendly with the new socialistic règime during the '30s. But as Hermann Göring, both had a big ego, an ambicious personality and enjoyed power. Would the Red Baron have finished his days hanging from a rope at the end of WW2? I know that this tought could bring a smile on Sandy's lips.... D. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 08:56:33 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: Subject: RE: Another one bites the dust Message-ID: <005201bec2ef$99de2f40$4640a8c0@prens-001.ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Pic-tures! Pic-tures! Pic-tures! Pic-tures! (read this thinking in a crowd toting torches outside the walls of Bittner castle) D. -----Mensaje original----- De: Matthew E Bittner Para: Multiple recipients of list Fecha: Jueves, 01 de Julio de 1999 07:54 a.m. Asunto: Another one bites the dust >Woo hoo!! Just added to my cabinet a Pegasus Roland D.II. > >And it's about time, too. The only other model that has taken longer is >the dreaded Nieuport 16. And parts of it are on my table now... > > >Matt Bittner >http://www.geocities.com/~ipmsfortcrook >http://www.discoveromaha.com/community/groups/plasticmodelers/index.html > >nb: Revell Fokker D.VII using Rosemont's new early nose conversion; >Nieuport 16 >nu: off-topic armor, along with the SPAD 11 > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 08:26:29 -0400 (EDT) From: mkendix To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Short Bomber vs Ilya Message-ID: There's an Sirframes Short Type 184 with floats, which is different from the Sierra vac. Michael mkendix@worthen.ihcrp.georgetown.edu On Thu, 1 Jul 1999, Brent & Tina Theobald wrote: > I was just comparing stats between these two planes. Sure the Ilya was > bigger, but more complex with four engines. The Short seemed to do just > about as good a job as far as speed, duration and ceiling. Payload isn't > mentioned... odd. > > Any kits out there of the Short Bomber or am I forced to consider > scratching again? > > Thanks! > > Brent > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 08:34:11 EDT From: Suvoroff@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Another one bites the dust Message-ID: <7a139202.24acba43@aol.com> So Matt, when do we get to see some pictures, eh? Yours, James D. Gray ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 08:12:32 -0700 From: "Mark Shanks" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: WWI books... Message-ID: <199907011520.IAA10657@elvis.fltdyn.com> Mike Fletcher writes: > I expect the most out of the first category (and to which SS aspires but > fails) so if they do fail it is a bigger disappointment and not as soon > forgotten. Even as a customer of the original Squadron Shop (on John R, in Hazel Park, Michigan), I have to say that I DO understand the frustration many on this list have expressed with assorted (numerous) inaccuracies in their "In Action" books, but frankly, I think too many of you hot-house orchids fail to take into account that 1) these books are dirt cheap, 2) they have a LOT of photos (regardless of the accuracy of the captions) and 3) they are better than the alternative (NO book, or ones that are prohibitively expensive for the neophyte or someone thinking of dipping their modeling toes into the frigid waters of WWI modeling). Believe me, I worked on the F/A-18 program, and I can't BELIEVE the howlers their "In Action" book has on something so immediately available for study, but I still think the photos alone are worth the low price. Some of y'all are old enough to remember the cherry-red-covered "Profiles" as being the ultimate reference - if and when you could FIND them on the subject you were interested in. Anyone care to return to THOSE days? OK, so Squadron's books aren't Windsock datafiles. And God knows that Squadron THESE days must make enough bucks to finance better productions. (But I knew them back when.....) I will not justify sloppy (or lazy, or nonexistant) research, but please take into account the vintage of most of those "In Action" books and compare the book to any comparably-priced contemporary reference material. Add to that their availability (how many times have I read here of people who can't get their hands on a Datafile? Hmmm?) SO - don't like them? Have an issue with drawings/text/captions? Have you written to them about it? Volunteered your services? On one hand, there's a lot of sniping about the "one-oh-thingies" and squawks when the subject goes "OT", but then I read blistering reviews of Toko's kits and Squadron's books and wonder - sheesh, I'm glad I'm not in the business of TRYING to cater to THIS crowd! Oh, and a happy "Dominion Day" to all the folks from the Great White North! Mark the Geezer mshanks@fltdyn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Jul 1999 10:24:18 -0600 From: "Landon, James D" To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Another one bites the dust Message-ID: <98B98E951BA0D1119A590000F8045A47030A2F8D@emss02m05.ems.lmco.com> <> Just curious Matt ... how long *DOES* it take you "Mr. Tiny Planes" guys ;-) to build a typical 1/72 or 1/48 plastic bipe model? (Having never ever built one myself) Jim > ---------- > From: Matthew E Bittner > Reply To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu > Sent: Thursday, July 1, 1999 4:41 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Another one bites the dust > > Woo hoo!! Just added to my cabinet a Pegasus Roland D.II. > > And it's about time, too. The only other model that has taken longer is > the dreaded Nieuport 16. And parts of it are on my table now... > > > Matt Bittner > http://www.geocities.com/~ipmsfortcrook > http://www.discoveromaha.com/community/groups/plasticmodelers/index.html > > nb: Revell Fokker D.VII using Rosemont's new early nose conversion; > Nieuport 16 > nu: off-topic armor, along with the SPAD 11 > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 12:25:23 -0300 From: "cameron rile" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Forgotten WWI book was ( Re: Worst WWI books... Message-ID: <199907010922364@cameron.prontomail.com> When I was young, about 9 or 10, I had two book that were novels on a pilot in france during WWI. For the life of me I cannot remeber their name, but they were brilliant and fired the imagination of a 9 year old. They got five fingered form school when I was about that age too, so I never read them after that. The first book was about a young man ( approx 19 from memory ) flying in a BE2 squadron in France. I that book, he and his captain ( a British gentlemen style hero ) got shot down and had to make their way back to the aerodrome on foot. On the way they me t afrench woman etc and hid out in a barn and to prove they wre English to some sodliers, they had to say every swear word under the sun. The second book was the young bloke in a Pup squadron ( I think with his english gent captain again ). I cant remember much more of that book. Does anyone know what they were called? I wouldnt mind getting them again and seeing if they were that good or not. Can even picture the cover on the BE2 book too but for the life of me cant recall the name of it. cam Australian FLying Corps page at : http://members.xoom.com/PointCook/index.htm ______________________________________________________________ Get Your Free E-mail and Homepage at http://www.prontomail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 12:29:16 -0300 From: "cameron rile" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: John Duigan was Re: Clement Ader's Eole 1890 Message-ID: <199907010926264@cameron.prontomail.com> >One should read "One Day At Kittyhawk" to realize just how >"wright" they got it On the topic of first flights, is there pictures of John Duigans homebuilds or the Parramatta dentists homebuilds? cam AFC page at : http://members.xoom.com/PointCook.index.htm ______________________________________________________________ Get Your Free E-mail and Homepage at http://www.prontomail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 13:44:34 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: Subject: RE: Forgotten WWI book was ( Re: Worst WWI books... Message-ID: <004201bec317$d6133640$4640a8c0@prens-001.ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Do you enjoy this adventures as much as I do? Try to find any novel on "Bill Barnes", I can't remember the author, but surely was ghost written. It's, as they say, "pulp fiction", '20s or '30s vintage, but action packed. Here in Argentina they were sold on the same collection of "The Shadow" and "Doc Savage". Maybe you can find them in a used bookstore. D. -----Mensaje original----- De: cameron rile Para: Multiple recipients of list Fecha: Jueves, 01 de Julio de 1999 01:41 p.m. Asunto: Forgotten WWI book was ( Re: Worst WWI books... >When I was young, about 9 or 10, I had two book that were novels >on a pilot in france during WWI. For the life of me I cannot >remeber their name, but they were brilliant and fired the >imagination of a 9 year old. They got five fingered form school >when I was about that age too, so I never read them after that. > >The first book was about a young man ( approx 19 from memory ) flying >in a BE2 squadron in France. I that book, he and his captain ( a >British gentlemen style hero ) got shot down and had to make their way >back to the aerodrome on foot. On the way they me t afrench woman etc >and hid out in a barn and to prove they wre English to some sodliers, >they had to say every swear word under the sun. > >The second book was the young bloke in a Pup squadron ( I think with his >english gent captain again ). I cant remember much more of that >book. Does anyone know what they were called? I wouldnt mind getting >them again and seeing if they were that good or not. Can even picture >the cover on the BE2 book too but for the life of me cant recall >the name of it. > > > > >cam > > > > >Australian FLying Corps page at : http://members.xoom.com/PointCook/index.htm > > > >______________________________________________________________ >Get Your Free E-mail and Homepage at http://www.prontomail.com > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 11:43:07 -0500 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: WWI books... Message-ID: <006f01bec3e0$d14c9420$50f610d1@dora9sprynet.com> I take it that the gaffe is that helium is inert and cannot burn, as is argon. Also, hadn't helium only recently been discovered by WWI? It is one of the most recent elements to have been discovered (in the low numbers - not referring to the 20 or so in the last few years with atomic numbers over 100). I would say that the worst WWI book is 'Thud Ridge' by Jack Broughton. As it takes place in the Viet Nam war, it has absolutely nothing to do with WWI, and therefore is the worst book on the subject that I have ever read. Dave -----Original Message----- From: Suvoroff@aol.com To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Thursday, July 01, 1999 2:34 AM Subject: WWI books... >I am currently reading _The First of the Few_, by Denis Winter, and have >found it an interesting read, but full of gaffes. My favorite is the >following explanation of the difficulty in igniting observation balloons - > >"...in cold weather both helium and argon burnt with difficulty." > >The question of "best WWI book" has come up on the list before, but now I ask >the question, what was the WORST WWI airplane book you ever read? > >Yours, >James D. Gray ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 13:01:28 EDT From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Clement Ader's Eole 1890 Message-ID: <62c4fbce.24acf8e8@aol.com> In a message dated 99-07-01 02:46:40 EDT, you write: << Though Mike's :) on my screen came across as ''. Or am I just not getting ''? - supposed to mean "grin." BUt to get back to these canards, how does the, "impossible to stall" claim of the canard stand up to the golden rule, "any a/c can stall at any airspeed, any attitude, and in any flight config"? E. >> Absolutely right - and proof that not all pilots are as smart as they think they are (as in "warbird pilots" first and foremost - wait till you read in the next issue of "Flight Journal" about the German pilot trying to explain to all the hotshot American and British test pilots the difficulty of the Me-262, and getting the response "just show me how to start it," invariably followed by a crash at the destination.) Tom Tom ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 12:57:18 -0400 (EDT) From: mkendix To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: RE: Another one bites the dust Message-ID: On Thu, 1 Jul 1999, Landon, James D wrote: > Just curious Matt ... how long *DOES* it take you "Mr. Tiny Planes" guys ;-) > to build a typical 1/72 or 1/48 plastic bipe model? (Having never ever > built one myself) Jim: It takes me about 4 weeks to build one, working only after 8 p.m. (children's goodnight time). I've done it in less but I had to stay up until 2 a.m. for a couple of weeks (I get up at 6:45 a.m.). It probably takes Matt less time because he's more experienced but not that much less since he insists on chopping the wings into a minimum of 5 pieces prior to commencing. Michael mkendix@worthen.ihcrp.georgetown.edu ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 12:56:40 EDT From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Forgotten WWI book was ( Re: Worst WWI books... Message-ID: <2c6d49a8.24acf7c8@aol.com> In a message dated 7/1/99 9:45:44 AM Pacific Daylight Time, dfernet0@rosario.gov.ar writes: << Try to find any novel on "Bill Barnes", I can't remember the author, but surely was ghost written. >> "Hap" Arnold, who ran the USAAF in WW II, wrote a series of "boy's adventure" books in the twenties about aviation- IIRC, the Bill Barnes books were his work. Robert K. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 13:19:41 -0400 From: "Brad Gossen" To: Subject: Re: OT movie for southern Californians Message-ID: <199907011721.NAA16902@mail5.globalserve.net> ...and lots and lots of real SE5a's. Much of the film was shot from a DH4. Makes me sorta quivery all over, as does Miss Harlow. Brad ---------- > From: Albatrosdv@aol.com > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: OT movie for southern Californians > Date: Wednesday, June 30, 1999 11:12 PM > > Just thought those on the list who live in Southern California might like to > know that on Wednesday, August 4, at 8PM, a print of "Hells Angels" newly > restored by the UCLA Film and TV Archive will be shown at the Alex Theater in > Glendale, a restored 1924 movie palace. Tickets are $10/person and I suggest > you purchase early. > > Three Fokker D.VIIs... > > Two Pfalz D.XIIs... > > Two Nieuport 28s... > > Jean Harlow... > > A Zeppelin... > > All kinds of 1920s airplanes masquerading as WW1 airplanes. > > Cheers, > > Tom Cleaver ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Jul 1999 12:31:01 -0600 From: "Landon, James D" To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Another one bites the dust Message-ID: <98B98E951BA0D1119A590000F8045A47030A2F92@emss02m05.ems.lmco.com> <> Till how late? I usually quit at around 10 unless I'm really "into" something that I can't walk away from. I usually start around 7. So how come my Tommy is taking so long? Answer: for every one or two steps forward I slide back one or two or three steps. <> A wing with *ONLY* five pieces? That would be wonderful. Each of my Tommy wings has a bazillion ribs, some wing tip former thingies, some spars, some stringers, some hinges, some bellcranks, and several separate pieces of tissue. Oh, and *HUNDREDS* of individual stitches. Hmmm. Maybe that's why it's taking so long. Jim, using only the finest all natural organic materials (balsa wood and tissue paper) http://www.freeyellow.com/members6/titanman/page6.html > ---------- > From: mkendix > Reply To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu > Sent: Thursday, July 1, 1999 11:04 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: RE: Another one bites the dust > > On Thu, 1 Jul 1999, Landon, James D wrote: > > > Just curious Matt ... how long *DOES* it take you "Mr. Tiny Planes" guys > ;-) > > to build a typical 1/72 or 1/48 plastic bipe model? (Having never ever > > built one myself) > > Jim: > > It takes me about 4 weeks to build one, working only after 8 p.m. > (children's goodnight time). I've done it in less but I had to stay up > until 2 a.m. for a couple of weeks (I get up at 6:45 a.m.). > > It probably takes Matt less time because he's more experienced but not > that much less since he insists on chopping the wings into a minimum of 5 > pieces prior to commencing. > > Michael > > > mkendix@worthen.ihcrp.georgetown.edu > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Jul 1999 12:39:52 -0600 From: "Landon, James D" To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: OT movie for southern Californians Message-ID: <98B98E951BA0D1119A590000F8045A47030A2F93@emss02m05.ems.lmco.com> <<..and lots and lots of real SE5a's.>> I suppose it's out of the question that one could get one's hands on a video tape of said movie. Jim > ---------- > From: Brad Gossen > Reply To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu > Sent: Thursday, July 1, 1999 11:21 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: OT movie for southern Californians > > ..and lots and lots of real SE5a's. Much of the film was shot from a DH4. > Makes me sorta quivery all over, as does Miss Harlow. > > Brad > > ---------- > > From: Albatrosdv@aol.com > > To: Multiple recipients of list > > Subject: Re: OT movie for southern Californians > > Date: Wednesday, June 30, 1999 11:12 PM > > > > Just thought those on the list who live in Southern California might > like > to > > know that on Wednesday, August 4, at 8PM, a print of "Hells Angels" > newly > > > restored by the UCLA Film and TV Archive will be shown at the Alex > Theater in > > Glendale, a restored 1924 movie palace. Tickets are $10/person and I > suggest > > you purchase early. > > > > Three Fokker D.VIIs... > > > > Two Pfalz D.XIIs... > > > > Two Nieuport 28s... > > > > Jean Harlow... > > > > A Zeppelin... > > > > All kinds of 1920s airplanes masquerading as WW1 airplanes. > > > > Cheers, > > > > Tom Cleaver > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 14:54:07 EDT From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: OT movie for southern Californians Message-ID: <4a21c3c7.24ad134f@aol.com> In a message dated 99-07-01 14:42:05 EDT, you write: << I suppose it's out of the question that one could get one's hands on a video tape of said movie. >> Au contraire. Once the film has been shown, there will be a release of the restoration print on video, as a way of fund-raising to support the Film and TV Archive. Tom Cleaver ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 14:19:07 -0500 From: "John C Glaser" To: Subject: RE: OT movie for southern Californians Message-ID: Will this restoration be available to the general public? - JCG -----Original Message----- From: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu [mailto:wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu]On Behalf Of Brad Gossen Sent: Thursday, July 01, 1999 12:22 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: OT movie for southern Californians ..and lots and lots of real SE5a's. Much of the film was shot from a DH4. Makes me sorta quivery all over, as does Miss Harlow. Brad ---------- > From: Albatrosdv@aol.com > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: OT movie for southern Californians > Date: Wednesday, June 30, 1999 11:12 PM > > Just thought those on the list who live in Southern California might like to > know that on Wednesday, August 4, at 8PM, a print of "Hells Angels" newly > restored by the UCLA Film and TV Archive will be shown at the Alex Theater in > Glendale, a restored 1924 movie palace. Tickets are $10/person and I suggest > you purchase early. > > Three Fokker D.VIIs... > > Two Pfalz D.XIIs... > > Two Nieuport 28s... > > Jean Harlow... > > A Zeppelin... > > All kinds of 1920s airplanes masquerading as WW1 airplanes. > > Cheers, > > Tom Cleaver ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 14:25:56 -0500 From: "John C Glaser" To: Subject: RE: OT movie for southern Californians Message-ID: Tom: Where and when can we sign up? - JCG -----Original Message----- From: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu [mailto:wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu]On Behalf Of Albatrosdv@aol.com Sent: Thursday, July 01, 1999 2:01 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: OT movie for southern Californians In a message dated 99-07-01 14:42:05 EDT, you write: << I suppose it's out of the question that one could get one's hands on a video tape of said movie. >> Au contraire. Once the film has been shown, there will be a release of the restoration print on video, as a way of fund-raising to support the Film and TV Archive. Tom Cleaver ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Jul 1999 14:51:10 -0500 From: "Lee J Mensinger" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu, "Lee Mensinger" Subject: Re: WWI books... Message-ID: <377BC6AD.44627871@wireweb.net> Thud Ridge by J.Broughton was surely a bad WWI book. BUT. Having been a Weather Forecaster and debriefer, for the units involved, for thirteen months prior to the arrival of Col. Broughton, I can say it ain't bad for the VietNam War as experienced at Tahkli, Thailand.. Jack B. didn't like the Forecasters he had, after I left, and he said so in the book. On topic I couldn't be a forecaster for WWI I. I was minus 7 years old when it ended. But, one of my uncles learned to fly during that war. Never got into combat. I learned a lot about flying from him. Lee DAVID BURKE wrote: > I take it that the gaffe is that helium is inert and cannot burn, as is > argon. Also, hadn't helium only recently been discovered by WWI? It is one > of the most recent elements to have been discovered (in the low numbers - > not referring to the 20 or so in the last few years with atomic numbers over > 100). > > I would say that the worst WWI book is 'Thud Ridge' by Jack Broughton. > As it takes place in the Viet Nam war, it has absolutely nothing to do with > WWI, and therefore is the worst book on the subject that I have ever read. > > Dave > -----Original Message----- > From: Suvoroff@aol.com > To: Multiple recipients of list > Date: Thursday, July 01, 1999 2:34 AM > Subject: WWI books... > > >I am currently reading _The First of the Few_, by Denis Winter, and have > >found it an interesting read, but full of gaffes. My favorite is the > >following explanation of the difficulty in igniting observation balloons - > > > >"...in cold weather both helium and argon burnt with difficulty." > > > >The question of "best WWI book" has come up on the list before, but now I > ask > >the question, what was the WORST WWI airplane book you ever read? > > > >Yours, > >James D. Gray ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 1675 **********************