WWI Digest 1673 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: APMA Site update by Matthew E Bittner 2) Re: Model Image Galleries by "Robert Johnson" 3) Re: APMA Site update by "Robert Johnson" 4) Re: Model Image Galleries by "Robert Johnson" 5) Re: Building Jenny by lfendy@firstsaga.com (Leonard Endy) 6) Hi Tech Brequets by BStett3770@aol.com 7) Build-up (was Re: Model Image Galleries) by kevinkim@interlog.com (Kevin & Kimberley) 8) Re: A really bad idea by "Brad Gossen" 9) Re: Spin Swap by infosilver@czechia.com 10) Clement Ader's Eole 1890 by K129000@aol.com 11) Re: Spin Swap by "Sandy Adam" 12) Re: Build-up (was Re: Model Image Galleries) by Matthew E Bittner 13) Re: Build-up (was Re: Model Image Galleries) by bucky@ptdprolog.net 14) Boelcke Help by bucky@ptdprolog.net 15) Hanriot HD2 by "Paul Schwartzkopf" 16) RE: Build-up (was Re: Model Image Galleries) by "Landon, James D" 17) RE: Build-up (was Re: Model Image Galleries) by "Landon, James D" 18) Re: Clement Ader's Eole 1890 by "Bill Neill" 19) Re: Clement Ader's Eole 1890 by K129000@aol.com 20) A DESPERATE CRY FOR HELP (fwd) by Allan Wright 21) Sierra Scale 20% off sale last day by "Robert Norgren" 22) Re: Clement Ader's Eole 1890 by Albatrosdv@aol.com 23) Re: Clement Ader's Eole 1890 by "Len Smith" 24) Re: A really bad idea by "Len Smith" 25) Re: Clement Ader's Eole 1890 by Mike Fletcher 26) RE: Model Image Galleries by "Landon, James D" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 17:14:44 -0500 From: Matthew E Bittner To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: APMA Site update Message-ID: <19990629.171448.-128313.3.mbittner@juno.com> On Tue, 29 Jun 1999 16:41:31 -0400 (EDT) Shane & Lorna Jenkins writes: > I've also added another picture of Jeff Wilson's very nice HB W.29. > Now > don't blush too much Jeff or I'll tell them how much you sold me the > Airfix 0/400 for ;->>. Wonderful indeed! Great work, Jeff. Let's see more, even if it's in "that" scale. ;-) Matt Bittner http://www.geocities.com/~ipmsfortcrook http://www.discoveromaha.com/community/groups/plasticmodelers/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 18:05:40 -0500 From: "Robert Johnson" To: Subject: Re: Model Image Galleries Message-ID: <005001bec283$e8ab5740$05f99ed0@robjohn.swdata.com> To be honest I can't remember the exact plane. I saw models by three people that made me want to build agine. One was a Fokker Eindecker, the other was the E-V/D-VIII, and the third was an Albatross ???? that had a tiger stripe like camo scheme. I really hope that one of these is yours or I will feel really embarrassed :-) I did check out your current page on the site nice Spad. Really like the camo scheme. What color is the light tan? I will send pics. Though I just had the most odd set of events happen that will delay that. I was robbed the other day. They didn't take the computer, the stereo, not even the VCR. No they took my new never been used (only three days old) airbrush. Along with that they took my compressor and all my paints. If that wasn't enough they took my Camera as well. They even walked off with my old Bager 250 airbrush and CO2 can. I should be thankful that I was robbed by Gomer Pyle, and nothing more was taken, but some how taking the paint feels to much like my nose was being rubbed in it. rob johnson -----Original Message----- From: Ernest Thomas To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Monday, June 28, 1999 11:39 PM Subject: Re: Model Image Galleries >Robert Johnson wrote: >> >> I have and it is one of your Fokkers that got me into this side of modeling. > >Ah HA! Score one for Evil! :) >Seriously, Thank You very much. Which one? > >> Something that I have always wanted to do, but never felt I had the skill to >> live up to the subject. I saw your pics and decided that I had developed the >> skills necessary to build those kind of planes. > >Just send a pic when it's finished. >E. > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 18:14:00 -0500 From: "Robert Johnson" To: Subject: Re: APMA Site update Message-ID: <005901bec285$129ef9c0$05f99ed0@robjohn.swdata.com> Say is that an Ilya I spy on the table of models from Australian Society of WW1 Aero Historians display? If so what scale? All look good it is nice to see that many on topic models in one place. I hope you are prod of the event. Wish I could fly in from the states and see you wonderful country. Guess I will have to settle for the new beer I found in the import section, Sheaf Stout. Its a lot better that Fosters. rob johnson -----Original Message----- From: Shane & Lorna Jenkins To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Tuesday, June 29, 1999 3:44 PM Subject: APMA Site update > > Hi gang, > > Yup, it's that time again, but this time the update has an "on topic" >appeal ;-)). > > I've uploaded the amended NSW Challenge Shield results with the >Perpetual Trophies winners - they'll end keeping those, as I don't think >it'll fly next year. (Jeff, you'll need to download this for tonight's >ACTSMS meeting & give the guys Lorna & my regards). Also. some model >photos from the Shield as well. > > I've also added another picture of Jeff Wilson's very nice HB W.29. Now >don't blush too much Jeff or I'll tell them how much you sold me the >Airfix 0/400 for ;->>. > > Plus several models from members of the Australian Society of WW1 Aero >Historians. I also have set up a small page for them with their Shield >display table(there's even an Ilya there), some membership >details(they're a bit sketchy) & details of where they meet. > > For all you scratchbuilders out there, check out the photos page from >Dave Muir's 1982 IPMS(UK) National Championship model of an Atkinson >Steam Waggon (it's close I think to being on topic??), as well as the >Maurice Farman Shorthorn by Mike Crisp. > > Regards, > > Shane > APMA VP > http://www.tac.com.au/~sljenkins/apma.htm > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 19:38:58 -0500 From: "Robert Johnson" To: Subject: Re: Model Image Galleries Message-ID: <000c01bec290$f1e5c900$05f99ed0@robjohn.swdata.com> -----Original Message----- From: Landon, James D To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Tuesday, June 29, 1999 10:43 AM Subject: RE: Model Image Galleries >1. Speaking as an ignorant outsider newbie who has no business at all >making suggestions ... I don't know judging from the photos on your site anyone that is willing to work in that scale and not attach a gas engine and fly it aught not be consirdred ignorant. >... always thought it would be nice if there >were photos that illustrated your "how to" construction details ... so we >could learn from each other ... a picture is worth a thousand words. Good idea whish I would have thought of it. >Besides, my web site is all about how *NOT* to build a model >airplane!! > If that site is about how not to buid a plane I would love to see what you think is how to build one. >3. Also, if the Tommy model is ever finished, which is a big "if", I have >visions of putting two photos on each page of my website: one photo of some >detail of the real plane, and a matching photo of that detail of my model. Yet a nother excelent idea >Don't know if I'll ever pull it off, but I can dream. BTW, to see the very >latest photos of my Tommy model, about adding stitches to the wing ribs, go >to: http://www.freeyellow.com/members6/titanman/page46.html WARNING to all >you "Mr. TINY Planes": this plane is a REASONABLE scale and made from a REAL >wood framework and REAL "fabric" covering. I have always wanted to do a fabric and wook model. Do you work from a kit or your own plans? If so, what kit or plans do you use. I use autoCAD at work and want to draw a set to build from but would like to see some others befor I commite to that kind of work. >I also added pictures of how Iconstructed my model LeRhone C-9 engine. Start at the following engine page you saw before and then go from there to "NEXT PAGE" to "NEXT PAGE" to "NEXT >PAGE" etc. http://www.freeyellow.com/members6/titanman/page36.html I >would really appreciate all your advice, tips, constructive criticism, >destructive criticism, smart ass remarks, whatever. > >Jim And you still think you aren't qualified to post here. Boy [ man or what ever ;-) ] , that engine is a thing of beauty. Be proud. rob johnson ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 01:23:46 GMT From: lfendy@firstsaga.com (Leonard Endy) To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Building Jenny Message-ID: <3779709d.1518668@legend.firstsaga.com> On Tue, 29 Jun 1999 16:21:32 -0400 (EDT), you wrote: >At 04:12 PM 6/29/99 -0400, you wrote: > >>This is something new, very interesting. I did not know that you could heat >>bond tightbond. > >I think it polymerizes the glue. I am not a chemist so this is a guess. All >I do know is it works very well. I have never had a joint done this way let >loose. > I learned this technique back in 80 or 81 while building some RC gliders. I use the technique to apply leading edge sheeting across the span of some large wings. Basically it was a slight bit of Elmers glue on top of each rib and on the corresponding position on the sheeting, let dry, place the sheeting over the ribs and iron away ! Quick, simple and strong ! And if my memory serves me well, and it often doesn't, the heat does cause some kind of polymerization to take place. Len (Who crashed more than he flew and tired of repair work.) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 22:06:10 EDT From: BStett3770@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Hi Tech Brequets Message-ID: <802bbdc7.24aad592@aol.com> Hi Gang My supplier just received the shipment of the 1/48 Hi-tech Breguet 14 kit today, I'll have them in stock in a few days. All whom ordered should have them in a week or so. Keep Modeling Barry Rosemont Hobby www.swiftsite.com/rosemonthobby ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 23:25:53 -0500 From: kevinkim@interlog.com (Kevin & Kimberley) To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Build-up (was Re: Model Image Galleries) Message-ID: James and Robert were conversing: >>... always thought it would be nice if there >>were photos that illustrated your "how to" construction details ... so we >>could learn from each other ... a picture is worth a thousand words. > >Good idea whish I would have thought of it. > Neither of you will likely learn much from me (I'm pretty much a minnow in this shark tank), but I've recently started such an undertaking at: http://kevinbarrett.net/Hobby/main.html There are two pages up now as I'm getting into my current build, and with a new digital camera coming in this weekend, the coverage should improve. Enjoy, Kevin Barrett. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 23:54:22 -0400 From: "Brad Gossen" To: Subject: Re: A really bad idea Message-ID: <199906300359.XAA16369@mail6.globalserve.net> I never knew so many countries drove on the 'gauche' side! Brad ---------- > From: Shane Weier > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: RE: A really bad idea > Date: Tuesday, June 29, 1999 5:09 PM > > Brad > > > 'Maintiens Le Droit' (unless you happen to be driving in Britain) > > ...Australia, New Zealand, Japan.......etc. > > Shane ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Jun 99 22:19:57 -01 From: infosilver@czechia.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Spin Swap Message-ID: On Tue, 29 Jun 1999 05:10:30 -0400 (EDT) Sandy Adam wrote: >Hi Ivan >I sent a message a week or two back suggesting that two more of the lower >cost Eduard kits might be fair, since there are rather a lot of Profiles. I >suggested- > >2xHPs+ Vimy = Bristol+Berg >Profiles = HD Floatplane + Albatros OAW + Sopwith Baby (1/48) > >If this is OK, please confirm and send me your address. I shall send the >kits/profiles now and you can either send now or wait for the Berg (which I >think is just about out by now?) >Please let me know >Sandy. > Sandy, It's a deal. I'll send all five kits as soon as I have the Berg. My address is: Ivan Subrt Taborska 31 301 41 Pilsen Czech Republic ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 04:54:08 EDT From: K129000@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Clement Ader's Eole 1890 Message-ID: <8118815f.24ab3530@aol.com> Dose anyone know of a good place to obtain information and drawings of Ader's Eole? This is a steam powered aircraft which raised 8in (20cm) from level ground in 1890 and flew for 50m (168ft). I have found some pictures of this and his later Avion 3 on the net. In my opinion the plane's wings had enough of an airfoil to provide some lift. A model of this plane has since been built and the model flew. I believe that the plane could lift itself but that it was uncontrolable. Any info whether drawings or historic is apreciated. K ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 10:14:01 +0100 From: "Sandy Adam" To: Subject: Re: Spin Swap Message-ID: <006c01bec2d8$e8571c20$3ae8b094@sandyada> >>2xHPs+ Vimy = Bristol+Berg >>Profiles = HD Floatplane + Albatros OAW + Sopwith Baby (1/48) >It's a deal. I'll send all five kits as soon as I have the Berg. Fantastic Ivan, I shall box them up and send today. Sandy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 05:20:07 -0500 From: Matthew E Bittner To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Build-up (was Re: Model Image Galleries) Message-ID: <19990630.052048.-138633.0.mbittner@juno.com> On Tue, 29 Jun 1999 23:16:06 -0400 (EDT) kevinkim@interlog.com (Kevin & Kimberley) writes: > There are two pages up now as I'm getting into my current build, and > with a > new digital camera coming in this weekend, the coverage should > improve. This is so great. Kevin, my hat's off to you. You are doing a wonderful job. Keep it up! Now I know what to use that free Sprint page for... Matt Bittner http://www.geocities.com/~ipmsfortcrook http://www.discoveromaha.com/community/groups/plasticmodelers/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 09:27:35 -0400 From: bucky@ptdprolog.net To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Build-up (was Re: Model Image Galleries) Message-ID: <377A1B47.37D59953@ptdprolog.net> Kevin I liked the pages! Can't wait to see how you do the wood grain on the fuselage. Mike Muth Kevin & Kimberley wrote: > James and Robert were conversing: > > >>... always thought it would be nice if there > >>were photos that illustrated your "how to" construction details ... so we > >>could learn from each other ... a picture is worth a thousand words. > > > >Good idea whish I would have thought of it. > > > > Neither of you will likely learn much from me (I'm pretty much a minnow in > this shark tank), but I've recently started such an undertaking at: > > http://kevinbarrett.net/Hobby/main.html > > There are two pages up now as I'm getting into my current build, and with a > new digital camera coming in this weekend, the coverage should improve. > > Enjoy, > Kevin Barrett. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 09:30:49 -0400 From: bucky@ptdprolog.net To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Boelcke Help Message-ID: <377A1C09.C656EE80@ptdprolog.net> I got this post today from a guy I didn't know. If anyone can help him, reply directly to his address. tia Mike Muth Dear Sir, My name is Nick Vitale. I am currently working on a Web site dealing with the Luftstreitfrafte Pilots from mid 1914-1918. I am having some difficulty in regards to the personal paint schemes of ANY aircraft flown by Hauptmann Oswald Boelcke. (Especially the Fokker D. III) It is not the actual pictures themselves I am having trouble finding, just the particulars concerning colors, themes, and werk numbers that Boelcke may have used early in his carrer, or as a member of Jasta 2. Any information you could provide would be greatly appreciated. I hope this letter is not intrusive and please do not think me presumptuous. Thank you. Semper Fi Nick Vitale SSgt/USMC "Nick & Wendy Vitale" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 09:14:49 -0500 From: "Paul Schwartzkopf" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Hanriot HD2 Message-ID: Okay. The instruction sheet on the Eduard HD2 states to paint everything (except the forward fuselage" a "gray" color. Any ideas on what to use, or what shade? TIA Paul A. Schwartzkopf ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 08:43:08 -0600 From: "Landon, James D" To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Build-up (was Re: Model Image Galleries) Message-ID: <98B98E951BA0D1119A590000F8045A47030A2F7F@emss02m05.ems.lmco.com> Just visited your new web pages Kevin and I think they're fantastic. I love the idea of starting out with a review of the kit. I didn't think to do that for my Tommy and now it's too late. Next time. And I love the way you then start marching through the step-by-step process of building. And I like the informal discussion of your thoughts as you go along. I may even be able to learn how to build a 1/72 plastic model by following your progress. I bookmarked it. Right now I'm building my model out of dead trees ;-) ... balsa and tissue. maybe some day I'll move up to 1/72 plastic. Jim > ---------- > From: kevinkim@interlog.com > Reply To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu > Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 1999 9:16 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Build-up (was Re: Model Image Galleries) > > James and Robert were conversing: > > >>... always thought it would be nice if there > >>were photos that illustrated your "how to" construction details ... so > we > >>could learn from each other ... a picture is worth a thousand words. > > > >Good idea whish I would have thought of it. > > > > > Neither of you will likely learn much from me (I'm pretty much a minnow in > this shark tank), but I've recently started such an undertaking at: > > http://kevinbarrett.net/Hobby/main.html > > There are two pages up now as I'm getting into my current build, and with > a > new digital camera coming in this weekend, the coverage should improve. > > Enjoy, > Kevin Barrett. > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 08:48:29 -0600 From: "Landon, James D" To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Build-up (was Re: Model Image Galleries) Message-ID: <98B98E951BA0D1119A590000F8045A47030A2F80@emss02m05.ems.lmco.com> <> Oh goody goody goody. Go Matt go. Jim > ---------- > From: Matthew E Bittner > Reply To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu > Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 1999 4:23 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: Build-up (was Re: Model Image Galleries) > > On Tue, 29 Jun 1999 23:16:06 -0400 (EDT) kevinkim@interlog.com (Kevin & > Kimberley) writes: > > > There are two pages up now as I'm getting into my current build, and > > with a > > new digital camera coming in this weekend, the coverage should > > improve. > > This is so great. Kevin, my hat's off to you. You are doing a wonderful > job. Keep it up! Now I know what to use that free Sprint page for... > > > Matt Bittner > http://www.geocities.com/~ipmsfortcrook > http://www.discoveromaha.com/community/groups/plasticmodelers/index.html > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 08:33:20 -0700 From: "Bill Neill" To: Subject: Re: Clement Ader's Eole 1890 Message-ID: <003901bec30d$f84dec00$1834c0d8@bill> Accounts that I have read say that claims to have 'flown' were exaggerations. Witnesses did not see it fly, and Ader's claim was apparently based on looking at the wheel tracks after, when it seems that some of the weight was off the wheels, and sometimes the tail wheel was off the ground. But then I can get this effect on some of the rougher bits of the 880 freeway..... I got some sketches and text, and I think there was a kit at one time? Bill Neill > I have found some pictures of this and his later Avion 3 on the net. In my > opinion the plane's wings had enough of an airfoil to provide some lift. A > model of this plane has since been built and the model flew. I believe that > the plane could lift itself but that it was uncontrolable. > > Any info whether drawings or historic is apreciated. > > K > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 13:05:02 EDT From: K129000@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Clement Ader's Eole 1890 Message-ID: In a message dated 99-06-30 11:33:32 EDT, you write: << Accounts that I have read say that claims to have 'flown' were exaggerations. Witnesses did not see it fly, and Ader's claim was apparently based on looking at the wheel tracks after, when it seems that some of the weight was off the wheels, and sometimes the tail wheel was off the ground. But then I can get this effect on some of the rougher bits of the 880 freeway..... I got some sketches and text, and I think there was a kit at one time? Bill Neill >> Where did you here this? A lot of people are saying that he managed a hop. Or short flight. K ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 13:53:18 -0400 (EDT) From: Allan Wright To: wwi Subject: A DESPERATE CRY FOR HELP (fwd) Message-ID: <199906301753.NAA11019@pease1.sr.unh.edu> Here's one your the aces of the list.... Please add Dale to your reply:to line - he's not a subscriber of the list. Forwarded message: > From 31241054@3web.net Wed Jun 30 13:05:55 1999 > Message-ID: > Date: Wed, 31 Dec 1969 17:00:00 +0000 > From: Dale Beamish <31241054@3web.net> > X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en]C-NECCK (Win95; U) > MIME-Version: 1.0 > To: aew@unh.edu > Subject: A DESPERATE CRY FOR HELP > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > Dear Alan, > I am writing you in hopes of solving a problem I have. > I have just recently returned to modeling after a twenty year absence > and am amazed at the quality of the new WW1 aircraft kits! > I have started to model all the german aces in 1/48 scale. > At the present time I have all the top aces finished except one. > Erich Loewenhardt! I have seen articles about what may be his Albatros > D3 > with the wavy line on the fuselage and wing however I would prefer to > model his Fokker D7. I have run across several articles mentioning his > yellow D7. > Would you happen to know to what existent his plane was colored? > Was it done in standard markings for jasta 10? > If you know of anywhere that I may find out would you please help? > > My sincere thanks > Dale Beamish > mY WEB ADDRESS IS 31241054@3WEB,NET (Actually it's: 31241054@3web.net) =============================================================================== Allan Wright Jr. | You fell victim to one of the 'classic' blunders! University of New Hampshire+--------------------------------------------------- Research Computing Center | WWI Modeling mailing list: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Internet: aew@unh.edu | WWI Modeling WWW Page: http://pease1.sr.unh.edu =============================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 14:33:41 -0400 From: "Robert Norgren" To: Subject: Sierra Scale 20% off sale last day Message-ID: <003c01bec327$150766a0$25b71b26@vucqpqlj> Last day for this year's 20% off sale on Sierra vacs. Bob Norgren Sierra Scale Models 2010 Douglass Blvd #1 Louisville KY 40205 phone: 502 451-3745 email: starfusion@earthlink.net For unique 1/48 and 1/72 scale vacform aircraft kits, books and decals, and Aeroclub and Dynavector kits, visit our website at http://sierrascale.hypermart.net/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 14:35:51 EDT From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Clement Ader's Eole 1890 Message-ID: <8b538763.24abbd87@aol.com> In a message dated 99-06-30 13:10:27 EDT, you write: << A lot of people are saying that he managed a hop >> "A lot of people" believe in flying saucers, too. Leaving the ground for a moment, and not being in control of what is happening, is not "flying" by anyone's standards. "Flight," be it a butterfly or a 747, is a departure from the ground *under control.* The Wrights were the ones who figured it out and the others were also-rans. Tom Cleaver ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 19:56:50 +0100 From: "Len Smith" To: Subject: Re: Clement Ader's Eole 1890 Message-ID: <000001bec32b$9f2d2aa0$b15b08c3@default> There was a Vacform kit issued several years ago by Skuld/Veterans 72. It is very basic but it does contain a drawing. It also states that the kit was constructed after the plans conserved at the Musee de l'Air in Paris. I believe an Avion, whether this or another version, is in the Science Museum in Paris, but I haven't seen it. I believe Gibbs- Smith wrote a book denying that Ader had ever flown in the accepted sense of the word, There being no method of control in any direction on his designs.Len Smith, the happy modeller, welcomes visitors at http://home.clara.net/lensmith----- Original Message ----- From: To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 1999 6:09 PM Subject: Re: Clement Ader's Eole 1890 > In a message dated 99-06-30 11:33:32 EDT, you write: > > << Accounts that I have read say that claims to have 'flown' were > exaggerations. Witnesses did not see it fly, and Ader's claim was apparently > based on looking at the wheel tracks after, when it seems that some of the > weight was off the wheels, and sometimes the tail wheel was off the ground. > But then I can get this effect on some of the rougher bits of the 880 > freeway..... > I got some sketches and text, and I think there was a kit at one time? > > Bill Neill >> > > Where did you here this? A lot of people are saying that he managed a hop. > Or short flight. > > K > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 20:15:54 +0100 From: "Len Smith" To: Subject: Re: A really bad idea Message-ID: <000001bec333$652aba40$095c08c3@default> There's something "sinister" about this message!, ----- Original Message ----- From: Brad Gossen To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 1999 4:57 AM Subject: Re: A really bad idea > I never knew so many countries drove on the 'gauche' side! > > Brad > > ---------- > > From: Shane Weier > > To: Multiple recipients of list > > Subject: RE: A really bad idea > > Date: Tuesday, June 29, 1999 5:09 PM > > > > Brad > > > > > 'Maintiens Le Droit' (unless you happen to be driving in Britain) > > > > ...Australia, New Zealand, Japan.......etc. > > > > Shane > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 13:29:31 -0700 From: Mike Fletcher To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Clement Ader's Eole 1890 Message-ID: <377A7E2B.1031F4BA@mars.ark.com> Try contacting the Musée de l'Air et de l'Espace at http://w3c.mae.org/ - they have a replica I believe. The Wrights claim is just a little disingenious - there are far too many adjectives being applied to overcome previous claims for them to be a serious contender. They had no outside independant witnesses to any sustained flight until a long time after their first flights, and they were using a catapult to get it off the ground a long time after everyone else was launching aircrft under their own power (this alone kills the sustained flight claim). They may well have been the first but there are a lot of claims that have been rejected that had a similar amount of proof, but because the majority of aviation enthusiasts are American (and there are no other real American contenders) it is unlikely that it will ever come under serious questioning. -- Mike Fletcher ___ ., mdf@mars.ark.com |-\|^----! ; mikef@sparc.nic.bc.ca |--n--""*" icq=19554083 @ (ducking for cover) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 14:52:50 -0600 From: "Landon, James D" To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Model Image Galleries Message-ID: <98B98E951BA0D1119A590000F8045A47030A2F84@emss02m05.ems.lmco.com> Rob Johnson said: <> (re: I said I was an ignorant outsider newbie) Thanks. I attended a radio controlled model contest last Saturday ... saw a beautiful model plane crash and the poor guy had to have help picking up all the pieces. Not for me, at least not yet. <> (re: posting photos that illustrate our "how to" construction details ... so we could learn from each other>> Thanks but can't take the credit ... I wasn't the first one to think of it ... stole the idea for my web site from other websites I've seen. Here's a good example by a coworker of mine: http://hometown.aol.com/eevans/index.html << If that site is about how not to build a plane I would love to see what you think is how to build one.>> (re: I said my web site is all about how *NOT* to build a model airplane) Thanks. Compliments like that are what keeps me motivated to carry on and finish it. <> (re: putting two photos on each page of my website: one photo of some detail of the real plane, and a matching photo of that detail of my model>> Thanks again. I'd like to see everybody on this WWI List do it, because I don't know enough about WWI planes to appreciate what each of you has done on your models to make them exactly like their real counterparts. But as for me doing it, don't sit there holding your breath, it's only a brainstorm at this point. So many things I want to do, and so little time. << I have always wanted to do a fabric and wood model. Do you work from a kit or your own plans? If so, what kit or plans do you use. I use autoCAD at work and want to draw a set to build from but would like to see some others before I commit to that kind of work.>> I started with a kit, and did a lot extra. I tell all about it on my website. Go to: http://www.freeyellow.com/members6/titanman/page6.html I was toying with the idea of scratch building a model based on the drawings in the book: "Scale Aircraft Dwgs Vol 1 -WWI" (available from Amazon.com for something like $15 or so). But instead I'll probably do another kit until I get more practice before trying a scratch build. <> Thanks again. You are too kind. Jim > ---------- > From: Robert Johnson > Reply To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu > Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 1999 6:31 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: Model Image Galleries > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Landon, James D > To: Multiple recipients of list > Date: Tuesday, June 29, 1999 10:43 AM > Subject: RE: Model Image Galleries > > > >1. Speaking as an ignorant outsider newbie who has no business at all > >making suggestions ... > > I don't know judging from the photos on your site anyone that is willing > to > work in that scale and not attach a gas engine and fly it aught not be > consirdred ignorant. > > >... always thought it would be nice if there > >were photos that illustrated your "how to" construction details ... so we > >could learn from each other ... a picture is worth a thousand words. > > Good idea whish I would have thought of it. > > >Besides, my web site is all about how *NOT* to build a model > >airplane!! > > > > If that site is about how not to buid a plane I would love to see what you > think is how to build one. > > >3. Also, if the Tommy model is ever finished, which is a big "if", I > have > >visions of putting two photos on each page of my website: one photo of > some > >detail of the real plane, and a matching photo of that detail of my > model. > > Yet a nother excelent idea > > >Don't know if I'll ever pull it off, but I can dream. BTW, to see the > very > >latest photos of my Tommy model, about adding stitches to the wing ribs, > go > >to: http://www.freeyellow.com/members6/titanman/page46.html WARNING to > all > >you "Mr. TINY Planes": this plane is a REASONABLE scale and made from a > REAL > >wood framework and REAL "fabric" covering. > > I have always wanted to do a fabric and wook model. Do you work from a > kit > or your own plans? If so, what kit or plans do you use. I use autoCAD at > work and want to draw a set to build from but would like to see some > others > befor I commite to that kind of work. > > > >I also added pictures of how Iconstructed my model LeRhone C-9 engine. > Start at the following engine page you saw before and then go from there > to > "NEXT PAGE" to "NEXT PAGE" to "NEXT > >PAGE" etc. http://www.freeyellow.com/members6/titanman/page36.html I > >would really appreciate all your advice, tips, constructive criticism, > >destructive criticism, smart ass remarks, whatever. > > > >Jim > > > And you still think you aren't qualified to post here. Boy [ man or what > ever ;-) ] > , that engine is a thing of beauty. Be proud. > > rob johnson > > ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 1673 **********************