WWI Digest 1665 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Blue Max Pfalz D.XII by "Lee J Mensinger" 2) Re: Blue Max Pfalz D.XII by Albatrosdv@aol.com 3) new address by "Ernest Thomas" 4) Re: Very bad news by Joey Valenciano 5) Re: V.L.E. Models' DFW "Mars" by Matthew E Bittner 6) Re: Nieuport 11 C.1 by Matthew E Bittner 7) Re: Nieuport 11c by "Arron Monroe" 8) Re: Nieuport 11 C.1 by John & Allison Cyganowski 9) Re: Nieuport 11 C.1 by Matthew E Bittner 10) RE: Pegasus Alb C.III by "Diego Fernetti" 11) Re: Nieuport 11c by "K. Hagerup" 12) RE: vacs for beginners by Shane Weier 13) RE: Very bad news by Shane Weier 14) Re: Very bad news by Allan Wright 15) Model Image Galleries by Allan Wright 16) Building to last by "Matt Bailey" 17) Re: Building to last by "Lance Krieg" 18) A toast: too many kits, too little time by "Diego Fernetti" 19) RLM02 Grün-Grau by Dave Wadman 20) RE: Building to last by "Alberto Rada" 21) Re: A toast: too many kits, too little time by "David Vosburgh" 22) RE: A toast: too many kits, too little time by "Alberto Rada" 23) RE: A toast: too many kits, too little time by hans.juergen.glueck@gis-online.de 24) Re: Blue Max Pfalz D.XII by "Lee J Mensinger" 25) Re: A toast: too many kits, too little time by KarrArt@aol.com 26) Re: Flashback/Eduard's Berg D.I by Albatrosdv@aol.com 27) RE: Pegasus Alb C.III by "Landon, James D" 28) RE: Model Image Galleries by "Landon, James D" 29) Re: A toast: too many kits, too little time by Albatrosdv@aol.com 30) Re: RLM02 Grün-Grau by Albatrosdv@aol.com 31) RE: Alignment Trouble by "Matt Bailey" 32) Re: A toast: too many kits, too little time by "DAVID BURKE" 33) Re: Building to last by "DAVID BURKE" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 00:08:25 -0500 From: "Lee J Mensinger" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu, "Lee Mensinger" Subject: Re: Blue Max Pfalz D.XII Message-ID: <37730EC9.40382D9@wireweb.net> There are some photos of a replica E-V (that have been verified by the Vintage Aviation Historical Foundation) in the models and Images section. It uses paint (It sure looks like RLM grey.) from the factory that made the color for WW I. Another Factory, located in Berlin, made the lozenge fabric in WW I. Lee Mensinger Albatrosdv@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 99-06-24 22:35:16 EDT, you write: > > << But that D-XII sure is nice huh? > >> > It is indeed, and goes together nice. I now have a question: before all the > discovery of light grey-green/RLM02 ancestor, I would have done a light grey > for the struts and gear of the Pfalz D.XII - anybody have any > guesses/knowledge about the use of the light grey-gree/RLM02 ancestor on > those items??? > > TIA > > Tom Cleaver ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 02:43:59 EDT From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Blue Max Pfalz D.XII Message-ID: <86ef4739.24a47f2f@aol.com> In a message dated 99-06-25 01:09:03 EDT, you write: << here are some photos of a replica E-V (that have been verified by the Vintage Aviation Historical Foundation) in the models and Images section. It uses paint (It sure looks like RLM grey.) from the factory that made the color for WW I. Another Factory, located in Berlin, made the lozenge fabric in WW I. Lee Mensinger >> As an amateur historian - non WW1 - "educated guess" is as good as it gets sometimes (try researching 17th Century Quaker documents in a society that was 60 % illiterate - a low average in 17th Century America). RLM02 "ancestor" it shall be. (Unless one of you turns up with the FS# from a piece of a Pfalz you own!) Tom Cleaver ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 03:33:25 -0400 From: "Ernest Thomas" To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: new address Message-ID: <199906250638.CAA06331@websmtp1.bellsouth.bigfoot.com> Howdy Boys(and girls) I was getting fed up with the local mail server being down or just running slow. Decided to try the BS webmail for a bit. So far, I don't like it. For those who give a flying fig, you might want to add my new address to your address books. And if anyone's on right now, could you get back to me off list and let me know how this comes across, like if there's some billboard advertising atached as a footer or anything like that. Thanks. E. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 16:07:42 +0800 From: Joey Valenciano To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Very bad news Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.19990625160742.00842610@philonline.com> Condolences to Michel's family and to all who knew him as well. He was a good friend and very gacious with any info he had that I needed. BTW folks, I have a three page article in French by Michel on converting the Airfix Spad VII into a Spad XII. It is in Microsoft Word with photos. Anyone interested in having a copy sent via email, please contact me off-list. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 05:16:19 -0500 From: Matthew E Bittner To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: V.L.E. Models' DFW "Mars" Message-ID: <19990625.052425.-129227.2.mbittner@juno.com> On Thu, 24 Jun 1999 22:54:52 -0400 (EDT) mkendix writes: > I don't know. He mentioned he was supposed to be doing something > but > hadn't got round to it, but didn't say what. I don't think he takes > "requests"; he mainly does it because he likes doing it. I don't > know if > he's ever going to make anymore kits or not. Hmmm...too bad if he doesn't. From what I can tell from the Windsock review and the photo's, these look to be excellent models. Matt ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 05:13:59 -0500 From: Matthew E Bittner To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Nieuport 11 C.1 Message-ID: <19990625.052425.-129227.0.mbittner@juno.com> On Fri, 25 Jun 1999 00:30:22 -0400 (EDT) Mike Fletcher writes: Thanks for the insight, Mike. I guess this all boils down to which drawings you want to follow. So it sounds like you could build it out of the box (IRT wings) and no one could contradict with "the best source". Not even me. :-) However, I wonder one thing. I "scaled down" my Macchi drawings to match (in span) the Datafile drawings. I came up with a one-for-one match. > I couldn't find a decent shot of Johnson's machine just now - the > digits > could have been 1's or 4's - ah the joy of aged photocopies The best shots are in _Lafayette Escadrille Pilot Biographies_ and Cross and Cockade, Vol 2 No 1. Matt Bittner http://www.geocities.com/~ipmsfortcrook http://www.discoveromaha.com/community/groups/plasticmodelers/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 06:39:49 -0400 From: "Arron Monroe" To: Subject: Re: Nieuport 11c Message-ID: <000d01bebef7$0dab9220$37b15f18@arron.twcny.rr.com> I appreciate the info. And I'll check on the Rosemont parts. What is the concern with the struts? AM -----Original Message----- From: Matthew E Bittner To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Thursday, June 24, 1999 10:38 PM Subject: Re: Nieuport 11c >On Thu, 24 Jun 1999 20:43:18 -0400 (EDT) Mike Fletcher >writes: > >> Don't listen to Matt Bittner - He'll have you chopping the wings into >> little bits > >Hey! > >> I think he likes cutting wings up and putting the pieces back >> together - >> me, I got my cure from 2 Morane Saulniers, a conversion of the >> Revell 17 >> to an 11 and a SPAD SA4. > >But according to the Datafile drawings - which I matched to the Macchi >drawings - the Toko wings are wrong. Like I said earlier, this could >mean two things: the Datafile drawings aren't correct for a French built >Nie.11, or there were little difference between the Macchi and Nieuport >built machines. > >> Engine, interplane struts, undercarriage legs, uc spreader bar and >> seat >> are the main concerns. >> Depending on which machine you do you will probably have to rework >> the >> Lewis as well. >> All of the kit's schemes are in some way incorrect. For starters >> none >> should be aluminum - the first two russian machines are a 16 or 21 >> and a >> 21 respectively, the French (le Vieus Charles) one has the wrong >> style >> of script, the Ukranian should probably be a 21 (plus the colours >> are >> suspicious) and the Esc. Laffayette machine is missing a digit from >> the >> serial number (it should probably be 1131) and it is a 16. > >Johson's machine should be 1434, it's a Nie.16, and there's a (guessed to >be) 'J' on the turtledeck, which Toko missed (which is easier to miss >than the serial). Since this appears to be an overpainted machine, I >doubt - but can't prove - that the serials on the wings and ailerons >shouldn't be there. Like I said, it's my guess and nothing that I can >prove (but then again, Toko has them wrong). Johnson had a "shelf" on >the outside starboard part of the fuselage which held Lewis magazines. > >As far as Guynemer's goes, Toko also missed the "Le Vieux Charles" that >was on the cowl. Plus, the only Nie.11 that was "permanently" assigned >to Guynemer had a serial of 836. I haven't found any evidence of him >flying 315. Doesn't mean it didn't happen, I just can't find the >reference. > >For the replacements, go with Rosemont's landing gear and interplane >resin struts; Rosemont's replacement resin Lewis; Aeroclub's 80hp Le >Rhone (or 110 if you convert it into a Nie.16); and file down the seat. > >As E said, you asked for it. > > >Matt Bittner >http://www.geocities.com/~ipmsfortcrook >http://www.discoveromaha.com/community/groups/plasticmodelers/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 06:47:38 -0400 From: John & Allison Cyganowski To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Nieuport 11 C.1 Message-ID: <37735E4A.CA2@worldnet.att.net> > The best shots are in _Lafayette Escadrille Pilot Biographies_ and Cross > and Cockade, Vol 2 No 1. > > Matt Bittner The Parsons book has a lot of good photos of N.124 Cyg. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 06:02:31 -0500 From: Matthew E Bittner To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Nieuport 11 C.1 Message-ID: <19990625.060236.-173747.1.mbittner@juno.com> On Fri, 25 Jun 1999 06:47:50 -0400 (EDT) John & Allison Cyganowski writes: > > The best shots are in _Lafayette Escadrille Pilot Biographies_ and > Cross > > and Cockade, Vol 2 No 1. > > > > Matt Bittner > > The Parsons book has a lot of good photos of N.124 Ah, but C&C(US) has more! Seriously, if you're "into" the Lafayette Escadrille, you "need" this issue. :-) Matt Bittner http://www.geocities.com/~ipmsfortcrook http://www.discoveromaha.com/community/groups/plasticmodelers/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 09:14:59 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: Subject: RE: Pegasus Alb C.III Message-ID: <005701bebe3b$2e687c60$4640a8c0@prens-001.ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> -----Mensaje original----- De: Kevin & Kimberley >As a cross-over with my fledgling Web skills, I'm doing an online kit >review/build-up on my hobby web page. See the genesis at: > >http://kevinbarrett.net/Hobby/alb_ciii.html > Hi Kevin Good idea, indeed. I've bought this one too and don't have the DF yet, so it'll be very useful. I couldn't resist the temptation of getting it out of the sprues and cutting off the flash. I must say that this new plastic is wonderful, cuts easily with a sharp blade but is hard enough to be sanded with a fine grit and get good results. The only minus here is that being white in colour, it's fairly difficult to see where are you cutting or sanding without marring adjacent detail. Maybe I shoud have primed the parts before, adapting the tip on vacuforms mailed yesterday. Boy, you learn new things everyday on this list! Surface detail is very, very delicate. Have you seen the "mirrored" signature of Chis Gannon in the interior of one of the fuselage halves? It's a proof of how carefully cast is this thing. After the propeller is freed of a big chunk of plastic, the proportions looks OK. The separated nose is small. I almost lost it. In my kit, WM interior parts are slighltly bend and twisted (it's a long trip from England, girl) do you have any hints for correct this without wasting them? D. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 07:16:14 -0500 From: "K. Hagerup" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Nieuport 11c Message-ID: <3773730E.3E8C@prodigy.net> Mike Fletcher wrote: > All of the kit's schemes are in some way incorrect. For starters none > should be aluminum - the first two russian machines are a 16 or 21 and a > 21 respectively, the French (le Vieus Charles) one has the wrong style > of script, ... Any thoughts on the Carpena decal sheet, 72.39? It appears to show N.315 as a N.XI (or is it a single seat N.X?) with the Vieux-Charles script identical to that in the Toko kit. Ken ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 22:49:50 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: vacs for beginners Message-ID: <65C968E11318D311B0BD0060B06865CD04111E@mimhexch.mim.com.au> > mgoodwin@ricochet.net wrote: > > > OK, nominations for 1st vacs? Not especially useful since it's long out of production (unless repopped by another party like others in the range have been), but I built the Libramodels DH-5 as my first. Like all Joe Chubbocks masters, it produced a well engineered, easily built and impressively well detailed model - came with white metal details from Aeroclub and full decals too. Of course, it *was* 1/72 but when I grew up I started making models in 1/48 Shane ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 22:52:00 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Very bad news Message-ID: <65C968E11318D311B0BD0060B06865CD04111F@mimhexch.mim.com.au> Joey, Al, > Condolences to Michel's family and to all who knew him as > well. He was a > good friend and very gacious with any info he had that I needed. > > BTW folks, I have a three page article in French by Michel on > converting > the Airfix Spad VII into a Spad XII. It is in Microsoft Word > with photos. > > Anyone interested in having a copy sent via email, please contact me > off-list. > I wonder whether the horrid copyright woes would rear they're heads if Al were to publish this article on his web page. I would be a nice memeorial to our friend. Shane ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 09:06:57 -0400 (EDT) From: Allan Wright To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Very bad news Message-ID: <199906251306.JAA17733@pease1.sr.unh.edu> > Joey, Al, > > I wonder whether the horrid copyright woes would rear they're heads if Al > were to publish this article on his web page. I would be a nice memeorial to > our friend. We're planning something else. We're going to do a models page for him with his photo, a bio, etc. on it. We'll feature it on the Images page for a while, then put it in it's place with the others. A fitting tribute to a modeler - to have his efforts displayed permanently in our arena. -Al =============================================================================== Allan Wright Jr. | You fell victim to one of the 'classic' blunders! University of New Hampshire+--------------------------------------------------- Research Computing Center | WWI Modeling mailing list: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Internet: aew@unh.edu | WWI Modeling WWW Page: http://pease1.sr.unh.edu =============================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 09:11:45 -0400 (EDT) From: Allan Wright To: wwi Subject: Model Image Galleries Message-ID: <199906251311.JAA17802@pease1.sr.unh.edu> Modelers, Thanks to all your GENEROUS contributions, the model images page overrunneth with great stuff. I'm wondering if anyone has any ideas of a better way to organize the collections. I was thinking of going to a simple 2 or 3 column listing of modelers' names which would link to their personal galleries. This would save considerable space. Also I was thinking of breaking up the images page into 2 main pages, model galleries and other images. Any other ideas? I have the data for the CD's formatted, but figured since I recently have had a flurry of contributions, I'd wait until they slowed down to burn the CDs. Oh, the CD is only around 325MB right now. I'm thinking of making MPEG or AVI files of some WWI newsreel footage to flush out the CD. Does this sound like a good idea? I figure that all that stuff is long since out of copyright so legal to reproduce? Thanks for your input, Al =============================================================================== Allan Wright Jr. | You fell victim to one of the 'classic' blunders! University of New Hampshire+--------------------------------------------------- Research Computing Center | WWI Modeling mailing list: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Internet: aew@unh.edu | WWI Modeling WWW Page: http://pease1.sr.unh.edu =============================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 06:23:25 -0700 From: "Matt Bailey" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Building to last Message-ID: Ok, I know your all are getting tired of this newby with his Albatros D.III questions, but I am still struggling here. (This is only my second WWI kit that I have built.) I glued the wheel struts to the bottom of the fuselage. The front part of the struts is conect to a photo etched brace. So I used plastic glue for the back and ca glue for the front. The problem is that the front part of the struts keep popping on (yes, I did scape all the paint off the area to be glued). How do you all deal with issues such as these? Also, how do you all build your models in such a way that they will be still in tact after they are handled, transported, or even looked at the wrong way? Thanks, Matt Bailey --== Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ ==-- Share what you know. Learn what you don't. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 08:52:02 -0500 From: "Lance Krieg" To: Subject: Re: Building to last Message-ID: CA has no sheer strength, and can be easily popped off by twisting; I use epoxy for many critical joints, like undercarriage and wing struts. I also use tube, as opposed to liquid, polystyrene cement when a joint needs a little exrtra strength.. Make sure the joints are tight and dry-fit properly, and let the glue set up solidly overnight. Also, make sure the joints have a mechanical advantage, like a dowel pin or mortise/tenon; you can't trust glue to hold a butt joint. Lance >>> "Matt Bailey" 06/25 8:23 AM >>> How do you all deal with issues such as these? Also, how do you all build your models in such a way that they will be still in tact after they are handled, transported, or even looked at the wrong way? Thanks, Matt Bailey --== Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ ==-- Share what you know. Learn what you don't. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 11:15:40 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: "WW1 modeling Mail List" Subject: A toast: too many kits, too little time Message-ID: <000401bebe4c$0ad55e60$4640a8c0@prens-001.ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Hi list, Today at 18:00 GMT it'll be 30 years since I landed in this valley of tears. Now I'm realizing that I'm getting out of time to build the impressive mountain of kits that I'm accumulating in my closets. But it's a happy day for me. Go to the nearest bar and drink the strongest beverage that they serve there. Make it double, better. The drinks go to my account. D. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 08:21:35 -0700 From: Dave Wadman To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: RLM02 Grün-Grau Message-ID: <37739E7F.A7@nucleus.com> Albatrosdv@aol.com wrote: > .....anybody have any guesses/knowledge about the use of the light grey-gree/RLM02 > > ancestor on those items??? Tom, I have plenty of material on the pre-RLM/RAL colour system and can dig it out for you over the weekend if you like. Regards Dave ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 10:25:34 -0400 From: "Alberto Rada" To: Subject: RE: Building to last Message-ID: Who says they do ? SALUDOS Alberto -----Original Message----- From: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu [mailto:wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu] On Behalf Of Matt Bailey Sent: 25 June, 1999 9:23 AM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Building to last Ok, I know your all are getting tired of this newby with his Albatros D.III questions, but I am still struggling here. (This is only my second WWI kit that I have built.) I glued the wheel struts to the bottom of the fuselage. The front part of the struts is conect to a photo etched brace. So I used plastic glue for the back and ca glue for the front. The problem is that the front part of the struts keep popping on (yes, I did scape all the paint off the area to be glued). How do you all deal with issues such as these? Also, how do you all build your models in such a way that they will be still in tact after they are handled, transported, or even looked at the wrong way? Thanks, Matt Bailey --== Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ ==-- Share what you know. Learn what you don't. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 11:05:53 -0400 From: "David Vosburgh" To: Subject: Re: A toast: too many kits, too little time Message-ID: <001201bebf1c$3934be60$277433cf@Pvosburg> Diego, Salud, amor y pesetas y el tiempo para gustarlos! Congratulaciones, mi amigo. Best Regards, DV -----Original Message----- From: Diego Fernetti To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Friday, June 25, 1999 10:44 AM Subject: A toast: too many kits, too little time >Hi list, >Today at 18:00 GMT it'll be 30 years since I landed in this valley of tears. >Now I'm realizing that I'm getting out of time to build the impressive >mountain of kits that I'm accumulating in my closets. >But it's a happy day for me. Go to the nearest bar and drink the strongest >beverage that they serve there. Make it double, better. The drinks go to my >account. >D. > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 11:27:30 -0400 From: "Alberto Rada" To: Subject: RE: A toast: too many kits, too little time Message-ID: Hi Diego FELICITACIONES Where were you before you landed in Argentina ? ( you asked for that ) Who said the kits in the closets are to be built ? haven't you learned anything on this list ? Not going alone to drink in your name, you should invite us all ( airfare included ) for a drink In Recoleta and a piece of meat at Las Nazarenas ? SALUDOS That you reach 120 years of age and we all live to see it -----Original Message----- From: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu [mailto:wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu] On Behalf Of Diego Fernetti Sent: 25 June, 1999 10:16 AM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: A toast: too many kits, too little time Hi list, Today at 18:00 GMT it'll be 30 years since I landed in this valley of tears. Now I'm realizing that I'm getting out of time to build the impressive mountain of kits that I'm accumulating in my closets. But it's a happy day for me. Go to the nearest bar and drink the strongest beverage that they serve there. Make it double, better. The drinks go to my account. D. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 17:40:04 +0200 From: hans.juergen.glueck@gis-online.de To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: RE: A toast: too many kits, too little time Message-ID: Feliz Cumpleanos Diego i will have a beer on you health ( and mine) tonight. Hans - Juergen Glueck ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 11:12:37 -0500 From: "Lee J Mensinger" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Blue Max Pfalz D.XII Message-ID: <3773AA75.B37E7E4E@wireweb.net> The group I referred to VAHF is also home to the makers of the DR 1 and the replica Fokker D-VII in the USAF Museum at Wright Pat. Albatrosdv@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 99-06-25 01:09:03 EDT, you write: > > << here are some photos of a replica E-V (that have been verified by the > Vintage > Aviation Historical Foundation) in the models and Images section. It uses > paint > (It sure looks like RLM grey.) from the factory that made the color for WW I. > Another Factory, located in Berlin, made the lozenge fabric in WW I. Lee > Mensinger >> > > As an amateur historian - non WW1 - "educated guess" is as good as it gets > sometimes (try researching 17th Century Quaker documents in a society that > was 60 % illiterate - a low average in 17th Century America). RLM02 > "ancestor" it shall be. (Unless one of you turns up with the FS# from a > piece of a Pfalz you own!) > > Tom Cleaver ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 12:24:43 EDT From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: A toast: too many kits, too little time Message-ID: <121ae89b.24a5074b@aol.com> In a message dated 6/25/99 7:17:46 AM Pacific Daylight Time, dfernet0@rosario.gov.ar writes: << Hi list, Today at 18:00 GMT it'll be 30 years since I landed in this valley of tears. Now I'm realizing that I'm getting out of time to build the impressive mountain of kits that I'm accumulating in my closets. But it's a happy day for me. Go to the nearest bar and drink the strongest beverage that they serve there. Make it double, better. The drinks go to my account. D. >> I have decals older than you! It's 9:09 AM as I write, so I think I'll do the heavy drinking in your honor a bit later! Robert K. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 12:36:00 EDT From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Flashback/Eduard's Berg D.I Message-ID: <8af63953.24a509f0@aol.com> Just thought you'd all like to know that the Berg will be on display as a built-up at the Mauschwitz (Second-happiest place in the world after Anaheim) National IPMS convention. It will be out in stores the first week in August. Manly Scale, of course! Tom Cleaver ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 12:50:21 -0400 From: "Landon, James D" To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Pegasus Alb C.III Message-ID: <98B98E951BA0D1119A590000F8045A47030A2F56@emss02m05.ems.lmco.com> > Diego Fernetti said in part << ... Boy, you learn new things everyday on > this list! ... >> > Boy I'll sure second that emotion. I am such a rank amateur at this WWI modeling business that I read this list with great anticipation every day and find myself saving lots of it for future reference. Even though I'm currently working in 1:13 scale balsa wood and tissue, you'd be amazed at how much of what you guys talk about often has some application for me. For example I'm using Future for the final high gloss finish (thanks Lee Mensinger for explaining all about Future to me off-list). Jim ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 12:56:58 -0400 From: "Landon, James D" To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Model Image Galleries Message-ID: <98B98E951BA0D1119A590000F8045A47030A2F57@emss02m05.ems.lmco.com> > Allan Wright said in part: << ... I have the data for the CD's formatted, > but figured since I recently have had a flurry of contributions, I'd wait > until they slowed down to burn the CDs. Oh, the CD is only around 325MB > right now.>> > What CD? Is it CD we can buy with all the images on it? Signed, Dummy ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 12:59:06 EDT From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: A toast: too many kits, too little time Message-ID: Have one on us, Diego! Happy birthday! Tom Cleaver ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 12:58:11 EDT From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: RLM02 Grün-Grau Message-ID: In a message dated 99-06-25 10:23:52 EDT, you write: << Tom, I have plenty of material on the pre-RLM/RAL colour system and can dig it out for you over the weekend if you like. Regards Dave >> The main thing I am looking to find out is if the "light grey" Pfalz used for struts, etc., is this "greenish-grey" that Albatros used at the factory; i.e., a standard paint, the use of which I can rely on? Reference has been made to it being a color similar to what was later called RLM02 in the Luftwaffe. Tom C ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 10:03:55 -0700 From: "Matt Bailey" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: RE: Alignment Trouble Message-ID: Thanks for your response, Dave. I'm starting to realize that part of my probem might have been that I glued both the main wings and the struts on at the same time. My thinking was that if I did this, (using small amounts of tube glue for slower drying time) I could make a little adjustment here and there to get everything in perfect alignment before it dried. Obviously that wasn't the way to go. It's too late for this model, but I'll follow your suggestions for the next one. Thanks, Matt Bailey - who is slowly progessing along the learning curve. -- On Thu, 24 Jun 1999 10:54:42 Diego Fernetti wrote: >Hi Matt, >Do you have the datafile or other reliable plans of the Albatros DIII? The >answer is to make an auxiliary jig according to the plan to help alignment >and provide secure positioning of the various parts before glueing. I hate >to make jigs, buy maybe the solution is the "adjustable jig device" that >someone on the list has offered. >If you need a scan of the Alb. plan, give a holler off-list. >Regards >D. --== Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ ==-- Share what you know. Learn what you don't. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 11:45:15 -0500 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: A toast: too many kits, too little time Message-ID: <008501bebf2c$4e766200$a804c0d1@dora9sprynet.com> Herzlichen Gluckwunsch zum Geburtstag! Oh wait, that's German..... Dave B. Otra anyo, otra cerveza.... (I hope I spelled that right) You know that you are old when you can no longer drink as many beers are you are years old at one sitting (I'm still recovering from the hangover from my Birthday party a couple o' weeks ago....) And don't worry about the mountain of kits - what with modern technology, they'll be building themselves in a couple of years! ;) -----Original Message----- From: KarrArt@aol.com To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Friday, June 25, 1999 11:29 AM Subject: Re: A toast: too many kits, too little time >In a message dated 6/25/99 7:17:46 AM Pacific Daylight Time, >dfernet0@rosario.gov.ar writes: > ><< Hi list, > Today at 18:00 GMT it'll be 30 years since I landed in this valley of tears. > Now I'm realizing that I'm getting out of time to build the impressive > mountain of kits that I'm accumulating in my closets. > But it's a happy day for me. Go to the nearest bar and drink the strongest > beverage that they serve there. Make it double, better. The drinks go to my > account. > D. >> > > I have decals older than you! It's 9:09 AM as I write, so I think I'll do >the heavy drinking in your honor a bit later! >Robert K. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 11:59:14 -0500 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: Building to last Message-ID: <008601bebf2c$4f615e40$a804c0d1@dora9sprynet.com> Hi Matt, If you are working on the same Albatros D.III that I built (in the one TRUE scale that will win the war, clear up our complexions and give us - gasp - peace with honor), then I know what you are talking about. I built the wheelaxle/wheel strut assembly together first, and them began dry-fitting it to the fuselage; the fuselage sat in a jig that I made out of scrap balsa. I agree with all of the other input that butt joints are inherently weak. I use fine brass rod to pin critical joints together. I find that really thin CA has excelllent strength (it's the stuff that you really have to worry about bonding skin together). Be careful of runs. As to model transport, that is a tricky subject, a large Tupperware container (a rectangular one) can be used to transport several models. I use small blocks of florist's foam (or foam rubber) epoxied to the bottom to keep the models from moving bout. The foam is placed so that the models are supported by the fuselage and wings - NEVER by the landing gear. I strap the model down with strips of paper towel and pins so they don't bounce up and out of their cradles. This method insures a safe transport every time. As to people looking at your models wrong and having them break, wel some folks are just that freaking ugly, and there's nothing that you can do about it. Hand out paper bags with eye holes, I reckon. Dave >Ok, I know your all are getting tired of this newby with his Albatros D.III questions, but I am still struggling here. (This is only my second WWI kit that I have built.) I glued the wheel struts to the bottom of the fuselage. The front part of the struts is conect to a photo etched brace. So I used plastic glue for the back and ca glue for the front. The problem is that the front part of the struts keep popping on (yes, I did scape all the paint off the area to be glued). > >How do you all deal with issues such as these? Also, how do you all build your models in such a way that they will be still in tact after they are handled, transported, or even looked at the wrong way? > > >Thanks, > >Matt Bailey > > >--== Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ ==-- >Share what you know. Learn what you don't. ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 1665 **********************