WWI Digest 1663 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Nieuport 11c by "Arron Monroe" 2) Re: Nieuport 11c by Matthew E Bittner 3) Re: Nieuport 11c by Zulis@aol.com 4) Re: vacs for beginners by peter crow 5) Re: Second List Raid WAS Re: Naughty Spit and Rhinebeck :-) by "David Vosburgh" 6) Re: vacs for beginners by KarrArt@aol.com 7) Re: Very bad news by KarrArt@aol.com 8) Re: vacs for beginners by Ernest Thomas 9) Re: He's innocent! by Ernest Thomas 10) Re: Meeting more list members!! by Ernest Thomas 11) Re: Naughty Spit and Rhinebeck :-) by Ernest Thomas 12) Re: Meeting more list members!! by "P. Howard" 13) Re: Nieuport 11c by Mike Fletcher 14) vacs for Beginners by Ashley9862@aol.com 15) Re: vacs for beginners by "DAVID BURKE" 16) Re: vacs for beginners by "DAVID BURKE" 17) Re: Meeting more list members!! by "DAVID BURKE" 18) Re: Meeting more list members!! by KarrArt@aol.com 19) Re: He's innocent! by Albatrosdv@aol.com 20) Rib Shadow Idea - What Do Ya'll Think? by Brent & Tina Theobald 21) Re: He's innocent! by "DAVID BURKE" 22) Re: Rib Shadow Idea - What Do Ya'll Think? by "DAVID BURKE" 23) Gas, was; One on, One off by Suvoroff@aol.com 24) Re: Nieuport 11c by "Sandy Adam" 25) Re: Nieuport 11c by "Arron Monroe" 26) Re: vacs for beginners by John & Allison Cyganowski 27) Re: Nieuport 11c by "Arron Monroe" 28) Re: vacs for beginners by Ernest Thomas 29) Re: Nieuport 11c by Zulis@aol.com 30) RE: New photos on web site by Dennis Ugulano 31) gnat engine cylinders by mkendix 32) Re: Very bad news by Dennis Ugulano 33) Re: vacs for beginners by "Lance Krieg" 34) Re: Rib Shadow Idea - What Do Ya'll Think? by "Lance Krieg" 35) Re: Second List Raid by Sharon Henderson ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 22:32:31 -0400 From: "Arron Monroe" To: "wwi" Subject: Nieuport 11c Message-ID: <002901bebde9$d0d67da0$37b15f18@arron.twcny.rr.com> Can anyone tell me if either of the Windsock special on the Nieuports has any data on the Bebe? If so which vol. should I look to get? I don't want to rock the boat too much at one time by picking both volumes up at once, have to spread it out a little. Thanks AM ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 21:46:42 -0500 From: Matthew E Bittner To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Nieuport 11c Message-ID: <19990623.214654.-166881.0.mbittner@juno.com> On Wed, 23 Jun 1999 22:28:22 -0400 (EDT) "Arron Monroe" writes: > Can anyone tell me if either of the Windsock special on the Nieuports > has > any data on the Bebe? If so which vol. should I look to get? I don't > want to > rock the boat too much at one time by picking both volumes up at > once, have > to spread it out a little. What a good man! Such a wonderful subject. The Special Part 1 contains a lot on the Nie.11. Best Datafile Special yet! ;-) Matt Bittner http://www.geocities.com/~ipmsfortcrook http://www.discoveromaha.com/community/groups/plasticmodelers/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 22:55:19 EDT From: Zulis@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Nieuport 11c Message-ID: <82a4bbb5.24a2f817@aol.com> In a message dated 99-06-23 22:29:46 EDT, you write: << Can anyone tell me if either of the Windsock special on the Nieuports has any data on the Bebe? If so which vol. should I look to get? I don't want to rock the boat too much at one time by picking both volumes up at once, have to spread it out a little. Thanks AM >> Volume 1 is the one which includes the Nieuport 11. It doesnt specify type-c at all, as far as I can see. There is mention of the early XIBs, and from that point on they are just referred to as elevens. Four colour profiles, GAs in 1/72 and 1/48, and a chart with the standard data (height, speed, etc....) Loads of photos, of course. Anything in particular you were looking for - let me know and I'll search for it. Regards, Dave Z ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 20:02:41 -0700 (PDT) From: peter crow To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: vacs for beginners Message-ID: <19990624030241.1751.rocketmail@web704.mail.yahoo.com> --- Matthew E Bittner wrote: > On Wed, 23 Jun 1999 20:20:30 -0400 (EDT) > mgoodwin@ricochet.net writes: > > Or - if you can get your hands on one - the > Roseplane Roland D.II. At > least it's in the right scale - since Michael wants > to build 1/72nd. ;-) Just don't paint it in a purple/green camo...;-) P. Crow _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 23:18:27 -0400 From: "David Vosburgh" To: Subject: Re: Second List Raid WAS Re: Naughty Spit and Rhinebeck :-) Message-ID: <004301bebdf0$3b1cdaa0$067433cf@Pvosburg> I love it when a plan starts to come together... DV -----Original Message----- From: Brad Gossen To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Wednesday, June 23, 1999 7:52 PM Subject: Re: Second List Raid WAS Re: Naughty Spit and Rhinebeck :-) >Well, now that we Canadians have established a stronghold on the banks of >the Hudson we must consolidate before winter. Early September sounds about >right for a second wave. Kevin? Dave Z.? > >Brad > >---------- >> From: Douglas R. Jones >> To: Multiple recipients of list >> Subject: Re: Second List Raid WAS Re: Naughty Spit and Rhinebeck :-) >> Date: Wednesday, June 23, 1999 12:44 PM >> >> At 11:09 AM 6/23/99 -0400, you wrote: >> >> >Sounds like the makings of another List Raid to me... >> >> Sounds good to me! I'll be there for sure! >> >> Doug >> ---------------------------------------------------------- >> 'I am a traveler of | Douglas R. Jones >> both Time and Space' | IEX Corporation >> Led Zeppelin | (972)301-1307 voice >> | (800)545-2463 pager >> | djones@iex.com email >> ---------------------------------------------------------- > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 23:33:39 EDT From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: vacs for beginners Message-ID: <4356bc44.24a30113@aol.com> In a message dated 6/23/99 8:14:01 AM Pacific Daylight Time, james.d.landon@lmco.com writes: << if I *EVER* finish my 1:13 scale balsa and tissue monstrosity.......... Jim Landon >> You'll beat it! Robert K. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 23:33:40 EDT From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Very bad news Message-ID: <5b382e3b.24a30114@aol.com> In a message dated 6/23/99 7:35:37 AM Pacific Daylight Time, dave@vga-graphics.com writes: << Very sorry to hear about Michel. ......... I thought it might be nice if you could send us a short biography sometime so we could learn a bit more about the man and his life...? Just a thought. Best Regards, Dave Vosburgh >> Yes, if possible. Robert K. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 22:41:43 -0500 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: vacs for beginners Message-ID: <3771A8F7.6652@bellsouth.net> mgoodwin@ricochet.net wrote: > OK, nominations for 1st vacs? Yes, please! Let's hear some nominations for first vacs so those of us who've never built one will get off to a good start. I already own a few from Tom's(Alb D-II, D-III, 1&1/2 strutter,N.24/27 conv) and will be ordering two or three from Sierra before the month is out. I'm gonna have to build em one of these days. Should I warm up on something else first? For myself, I'll be looking for something in the manly man scale. What do y'all have to say? E. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 23:14:04 -0500 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: He's innocent! Message-ID: <3771B08C.76F2@bellsouth.net> Diego Fernetti wrote: > So, Ernest, you can claim "non guilty" when someone accuse you of starting > the first World War. My standard reply to any question is,"I've never seen that girl in my life." When not applicable, it throws people off long enough for me to slip away. E. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 23:16:15 -0500 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Meeting more list members!! Message-ID: <3771B10F.19A2@bellsouth.net> Mistress Lorna Jenkins wrote: > (Be quiet E.) > > Lorna > Red meat and red wine do dangerous things to a girl ;-) Don't worry, you're safe with me. E. The other white meat. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 23:19:32 -0500 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Naughty Spit and Rhinebeck :-) Message-ID: <3771B1D4.C99@bellsouth.net> David Vosburgh wrote: > If you ever get the opportunity, E., make the effort to come up. Everybody who's > interested in WWI aviation should see it at least once. Thanks. BUt it may be some years before I make it. Last airshow I went to with the family, I spent the whole time chasing after a 2 year old and don't think I ever got to look up once. But the Blue Angles performance 'sounded' spectacular. E. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 23:33:07 -0500 From: "P. Howard" To: Subject: Re: Meeting more list members!! Message-ID: <003f01bebdfa$aa331260$36868ece@phoward> > >Don't worry, you're safe with me. >E. >The other white meat. > Uhhh... Doesn't that mean we should soon see a spider rigging all of your aircraft with cute little phrases like "Some Pig" and , a signature change to "W." for Wilbur? Paul H Leaning ever more slightly toward an RE8 as a scratch project... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 21:50:33 -0700 From: Mike Fletcher To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Nieuport 11c Message-ID: <3771B919.E37F24EE@mars.ark.com> When Nieuport first built the 11, they needed to distinguish it from an unrelated single seat monoplane. To do this they designated it XIb (the b was for biplan - biplane). When the French took it on strength, it fell into their category b as a small single seat scout. This accidentally became XIbb for a very short period of time before a new designation system came into force. This was the source of the term bébé (pronounced the same as bb en française). Morane Saulnier deliberately attempted to get the same moniker on a small two seater but it never caught on. The new system designated it as "Chasseur" (literally chaser) Thus it became the XI C.1 (or is that XI.C1?) - the XI was supposed to be the 11th type of Nieuport received by the French military but it does not seem to hold here - perhaps the SFA only required that the types have numbers and not letters. The 1 signifies the number of crew members (ie 1). This system initially had A (artilliare - artillery), B (bombeur), Bn (bombeur nuit - night bomber), C (chasseur) and E (ecole - school). Later letters were added as new categories were required. The very earliest 11's had a few minor differences but these disappeared fairly quickly, and the Italian machines seem to have had some differences of their own from the original. -- Mike Fletcher ___ ., mdf@mars.ark.com |-\|^----! ; mikef@sparc.nic.bc.ca |--n--""*" icq=19554083 @ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 01:02:40 EDT From: Ashley9862@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: vacs for Beginners Message-ID: <82a60406.24a315f0@aol.com> I'I'm planning to start my first vac, the Sierra Scale AEG G4 Bomber....might as well go all out and take my time to enjoy the experience........ Candice ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 00:00:43 -0500 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: vacs for beginners Message-ID: <005e01bebdff$fee3ba80$edf610d1@dora9sprynet.com> Like I said, Bill Koster's stuff is really good. Also, it's nice to hear some good reviews of manufacturers that I have yet to purchase from. Ernie, anything you need to know about building vac, just ask me. Of course, if you want to build a really good vac, ask somebody else! Dave -----Original Message----- From: Ernest Thomas To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Wednesday, June 23, 1999 10:45 PM Subject: Re: vacs for beginners >mgoodwin@ricochet.net wrote: > >> OK, nominations for 1st vacs? > >Yes, please! Let's hear some nominations for first vacs so those of us >who've never built one will get off to a good start. I already own a few >from Tom's(Alb D-II, D-III, 1&1/2 strutter,N.24/27 conv) and will be >ordering two or three from Sierra before the month is out. I'm gonna >have to build em one of these days. Should I warm up on something else >first? For myself, I'll be looking for something in the manly man scale. >What do y'all have to say? >E. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 00:05:58 -0500 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: vacs for beginners Message-ID: <006001bebe00$00d9be20$edf610d1@dora9sprynet.com> Man, you don't know evil yet.... you just don't know.... Dave B. -who contemplates the universe, folds it, sticks it in his back pocket, and loses it among credit card receipts, or has it accidentally washed. > >Not paranoid, just want to show the newer members on this list your evil >ways. ;-) > > >Matt Bittner >http://www.geocities.com/~ipmsfortcrook >http://www.discoveromaha.com/community/groups/plasticmodelers/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 00:07:23 -0500 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: Meeting more list members!! Message-ID: <006101bebe00$01b3f180$edf610d1@dora9sprynet.com> > >> >>Don't worry, you're safe with me. >>E. >>The other white meat. >> Mine was green 'till I saw the doctor for that little shot.... DB ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 01:16:49 EDT From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Meeting more list members!! Message-ID: In a message dated 6/23/99 9:36:43 PM Pacific Daylight Time, phoward@abilene.com writes: << Paul H Leaning ever more slightly toward an RE8 as a scratch project... >> Gopher it! (sorry about the spelling- I took one of these flower-eating little monsters out with a BB gun yesterday..they're on my mind) Robert K. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 01:26:21 EDT From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: He's innocent! Message-ID: <1a4013f7.24a31b7d@aol.com> In a message dated 99-06-24 00:17:34 EDT, you write: << I've never seen that girl in my life." >> You and another Sputhern "man of the people." :-) (No flame wars - it's supposed to be funny - how many southern "man of the people" in 200 years fit the profile???)TC ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 00:20:27 -0700 From: Brent & Tina Theobald To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Rib Shadow Idea - What Do Ya'll Think? Message-ID: <3771DC3B.E4011EE6@airmail.net> I have mentioned in past posts how I plan to show the rib caps on my Ilya using a .005" technical pen and decal paper. I also posted how I painted the structure of the fuse dark grey before painting it with my favorite CDL to make shadows. Today I was thinking about how hard it is to get uniform shading for all the ribs. Here is my plan: airbrush decal paper using a cylinder to get the soft, faded edge. Paint the length of the paper. Cut hard edge with X-Acto and apply to model using Future to seal it. Paint with favorite CDL. Maybe a few coats of Future to lose the edge of the decal film. Taa daa! Uniform shadows in theory. Does anyone have any better ideas? Alternate methods? Thanks! Brent ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 01:59:05 -0500 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: He's innocent! Message-ID: <000601bebe0f$0f70f340$c4f010d1@dora9sprynet.com> Now Tom, lemme say that as another one o' them 'man o' the people' types, that I can say with all honesty that Jimmy Carter admitted to fantasies about Lainie Kazan, so you jes' better shet yer mouth an' alla thet er the can o' whupass is gonna hafta be opened - and Ernest warn't never innocent from the time he dropped out onta this hyar earth and I'd be lyin' between my tooth if'n I wuz ta tell yuns otherwise.... DB (You don't need a weatherman to tell which way the wind blows, and if two guys are on an elevator and one of them breaks wind, then everyone knows who did it). >In a message dated 99-06-24 00:17:34 EDT, you write: > ><< I've never seen that girl in my > life." >> >You and another Sputhern "man of the people." :-) (No flame wars - it's >supposed to be funny - how many southern "man of the people" in 200 years fit >the profile???)TC ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 02:05:16 -0500 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: Rib Shadow Idea - What Do Ya'll Think? Message-ID: <001301bebe0f$fb308340$c4f010d1@dora9sprynet.com> I like the idea of representing slight (in that scale) textures with forced shadowing, but does it work with light coming from any position? To elucidate (hallucinate?): when I give ribs inside a fuselage an ink wash, I tend to turn them upside-down so the ink concentrates where natural shadows would fall. Of course, in 98% of your cockpits, light travels in one direction: down. However, I would let ink settle evenly inside a fuselage if there is substantial glazing on the underside. So I guess that my poorly-worded question is: how well does this represented shading work with light coming from different angles, or do you have to worry about which direction that the light is coming from when you display the model? An inebriated DB 'I is the Walrus, blug glub a braff.....' ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 03:43:43 EDT From: Suvoroff@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Gas, was; One on, One off Message-ID: <5152a2d7.24a33baf@aol.com> Ah! Gas, my favorite topic. Exclusive of any possible trivial use of the French gas rifle-grenade (26mm, containing 19cc's of Ethylbromoacetate, an early tear gas) in service at the start of the war, the first would be the German use of T-Stoff (xylyl bromide) shells on 31 January, 1915, against the Russians at Bolimov. The gas, like the attack, was a failure; the weather was too cold to vapourize the xylyl bromide and it had no effect. The Russians do not even appear to have realized that the Germans used gas against them. Now, the usually suggested candiate for this loathsome honor (first gas attack) goes to the German attack on 22 April, 1915, at 5:30 in the afternoon against the 45th Algerian Division (French) at Langemarck in the Ypres Salient. The 168 tons of chlorine gas proved effective beyond the wildest dreams of the German High Command; so effective, indeed, that the Germans were totally unprepared to drive through the resulting gap in the French line as the entire division fled or died. By the next day, reinforcements had already begun to seal the gap, and German gains were inconsequential. The first gas attack on Commonwealth troops was the 23rd of April 1915 (the next day) when another cloud of asphyxiating chlorine gas fell on the Canadian Division just to the east; the Canadians, not caught totally unprepared as the Algerians had been, managed to stand under the attack and largely repulse the Germans. I don't have any statistics for the French, but within a fortnight all Commonwealth forces had been issued their first respirator, a cotton pad soaked in sodium carbonate and sodium thiosulphate, which was fairly effective against chlorine gas. By the 10th of May the first troops began to be issued with the "black veil respirator" a long piece of black veiling containing a cotton pad with sodium carbonate, glycerine and water. The first Allied gas attack I can find reference to was at Loos, 25 September 1915, again chlorine gas. The effects were mixed due to uncertain winds, in some places the gas refused to cross no-man's-land, in some it even blew back into the British trenches. There were some good success in some areas, however. Yours, James D. Gray ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 10:35:59 +0100 From: "Sandy Adam" To: Subject: Re: Nieuport 11c Message-ID: <00c601bebe25$0fe84420$15e8b094@sandyada> ........ >seem to hold here - perhaps the SFA only required that the types have >numbers and not letters..... No, the Scottish Football Association only insisted that each side should have 11 men and there should be no hand contact of the (round) ball, excepting the goalkeeper. Sorry - what I really meant was thank you for an informative post, Mike, that answered a whole lot of questions before I'd even thought to ask them. Sandy ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 06:55:00 -0400 From: "Arron Monroe" To: Subject: Re: Nieuport 11c Message-ID: <004301bebe30$036dfcc0$37b15f18@arron.twcny.rr.com> Thanks, this is very informative! I had wondered how the name 'Bebe' came about. Seems rather simple now. AM -----Original Message----- From: Mike Fletcher To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Thursday, June 24, 1999 12:51 AM Subject: Re: Nieuport 11c When Nieuport first built the 11, they needed to distinguish it from an unrelated single seat monoplane. To do this they designated it XIb (the b was for biplan - biplane). When the French took it on strength, it fell into their category b as a small single seat scout. This accidentally became XIbb for a very short period of time before a new designation system came into force. This was the source of the term bébé (pronounced the same as bb en française). Morane Saulnier deliberately attempted to get the same moniker on a small two seater but it never caught on. The new system designated it as "Chasseur" (literally chaser) Thus it became the XI C.1 (or is that XI.C1?) - the XI was supposed to be the 11th type of Nieuport received by the French military but it does not seem to hold here - perhaps the SFA only required that the types have numbers and not letters. The 1 signifies the number of crew members (ie 1). This system initially had A (artilliare - artillery), B (bombeur), Bn (bombeur nuit - night bomber), C (chasseur) and E (ecole - school). Later letters were added as new categories were required. The very earliest 11's had a few minor differences but these disappeared fairly quickly, and the Italian machines seem to have had some differences of their own from the original. -- Mike Fletcher ___ ., mdf@mars.ark.com |-\|^----! ; mikef@sparc.nic.bc.ca |--n--""*" icq=19554083 @ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 06:52:47 -0400 From: John & Allison Cyganowski To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: vacs for beginners Message-ID: <37720DFF.1F15@worldnet.att.net> Ernest Thomas wrote: > Koster's Vacs (Tripehound, SSW D.III/IV & Hannover CL.III) are nice and in the manly scale. > What do y'all have to say? > E. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 07:02:29 -0400 From: "Arron Monroe" To: Subject: Re: Nieuport 11c Message-ID: <004a01bebe31$0dd217e0$37b15f18@arron.twcny.rr.com> I picked up Toko's kit (which appears to very nice) and wanted to get further information on the Nieuports and see just how I want to build it up. I also like to get a little history to see if there is a particular pilots aircraft I want to model. Thanks :-) AM -----Original Message----- From: Zulis@aol.com To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Wednesday, June 23, 1999 11:02 PM Subject: Re: Nieuport 11c >In a message dated 99-06-23 22:29:46 EDT, you write: > ><< Can anyone tell me if either of the Windsock special on the Nieuports has > any data on the Bebe? If so which vol. should I look to get? I don't want to > rock the boat too much at one time by picking both volumes up at once, have > to spread it out a little. > > Thanks > > AM >> > >Volume 1 is the one which includes the Nieuport 11. It doesnt specify >type-c at all, as far as I can see. There is mention of the early XIBs, >and from that point on they are just referred to as elevens. Four colour >profiles, GAs in 1/72 and 1/48, and a chart with the standard data (height, >speed, etc....) Loads of photos, of course. Anything in particular >you were looking for - let me know and I'll search for it. > > > >Regards, > >Dave Z > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 06:29:51 -0500 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: vacs for beginners Message-ID: <377216AF.3E2D@bellsouth.net> John & Allison Cyganowski wrote: > > > Koster's Vacs (Tripehound, SSW D.III/IV & Hannover CL.III) are nice and > in the manly scale. Cyg, Thanks for the input. Next question; Are there any differences in how one would go about rigging a vac as opposed to an injection kit? If not, wouldn't a nice monoplane(like a Taube) be a good first vac? Just thinking out loud... E. Who'd bet a nickle that the northern men of the people fit the profile just as often as the southern variety. Testosterone isn't affected by geography, afaik. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 07:31:53 EDT From: Zulis@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Nieuport 11c Message-ID: <17280360.24a37129@aol.com> In a message dated 99-06-24 06:58:54 EDT, you write: << I picked up Toko's kit (which appears to very nice) and wanted to get further information on the Nieuports and see just how I want to build it up. I also like to get a little history to see if there is a particular pilots aircraft I want to model. Thanks :-) AM >> Between the profiles and all the pics, (and a handful of options that come with the kit itself) you should have no problems coming up with ideas. Also, Bob Pearson's site ( http://members.xoom.com/Sopwith_5F1/ ) has four Nieuport 11 profiles on it - one french, two italian and one Imperial Russian one which appears to be something of a hybrid. The Squadron/Signal books have a Nieuport issue as well (#167) - again, lots of bw pics. Dave Z ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 08:15:10 -0400 From: Dennis Ugulano To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: RE: New photos on web site Message-ID: <199906240815_MC2-7A9D-7503@compuserve.com> Shane, >> Something is wrong with your email program mate. Two extra words got appended to the end of the sentence. << Let's hope it solved now. We had a problem here that took us off line for 3 days. Tech support prevented me from throwing the computer out the window so I wander off muttering non-complementary words about the computer. We replaced the modem to no avail. A call to the phone co said there was a short in the line and that will cost a zillion dollars for them to come out and look. After clearing my head, this morning, by myself even, I replace the phone line from the computer to the wall and everything is back in operation. I will win some BIG brownie points for this one. So for all who think I have gone away, sorry to disappoint you. I'm still here. I will catch up on my mail as soon as possible. >> Joking aside, nice models as ever. I can't see myself ever building an Ilya, because it's far to big in proper scale, so yours is a fine substitute << The Ilya is a big kit and in 1/48th would take two people to carry it. (At least two people my size). Thank you very much for your comments. Dennis Ugulano email: Uggies@compuserve.com http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/uggies Page Revised 6/21/99 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 09:09:18 -0400 (EDT) From: mkendix To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: gnat engine cylinders Message-ID: I have a PV7 Grain Kitten vac whose rendition of the engine cylinders is somewhat crude. Does anyone know what these "blobs" sticking out of the side of the front fuselage were really supposed to look like? Michael mkendix@worthen.ihcrp.georgetown.edu ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 09:44:47 -0400 From: Dennis Ugulano To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Re: Very bad news Message-ID: <199906240945_MC2-7AA8-ED56@compuserve.com> Philippe, I am so very sorry for the loss of your friend. Losing a good friend is very sad. You will remember the good times and now and then a thought will pop into your mind, something funny, something personal. I lost a dear friend at a young age about 5 years ago and I miss the good times we had together. But I recall some of the things we did, some of the things he said and it brings back a flood of good memories. That does not make up for the loss but you will recall the good times. Again, I am so very sorry for your loss. Dennis Ugulano email: Uggies@compuserve.com http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/uggies Page Revised 6/21/99 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 09:07:58 -0500 From: "Lance Krieg" To: Subject: Re: vacs for beginners Message-ID: Well, my first was Koster's Sopwith Tripe, in keeping with the theory that any vac will immediately generate an injection molded kit. I even painstakingly created the multi-striped "Maud" that was one of the decal options Eduard offered. Since I'd really like to see an injection Roland D.II, I concur that you ought to start with Sierra's vac. > Ernest Thomas 06/23 10:43 PM >>> mgoodwin@ricochet.net wrote: > OK, nominations for 1st vacs? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 09:18:36 -0500 From: "Lance Krieg" To: Subject: Re: Rib Shadow Idea - What Do Ya'll Think? Message-ID: Man, that sounds like a lot of work. Have you considered dry-brushing the shadows with a slightly darker artist oil paint? You get the brush control and the feathered edge, and mistakes are easily rubbed off. You can dry the oils overnight with a lightbox and a 60 watt bulb. Lance >>> Brent & Tina Theobald 06/24 12:33 AM >>> Here is my plan: airbrush decal paper using a cylinder to get the soft, faded edge. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 10:29:29 -0500 From: Sharon Henderson To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Second List Raid Message-ID: :-) I can hardly wait to see that Albatros in the air. Oh Lordy, September is FAR too long.... Are they keeping it in vonSchleich's colors? Sharon At Wednesday, 23 June 1999, you wrote: >I love it when a plan starts to come together... > >DV >-----Original Message----- >From: Brad Gossen >To: Multiple recipients of list >Date: Wednesday, June 23, 1999 7:52 PM >Subject: Re: Second List Raid WAS Re: Naughty Spit and Rhinebeck :-) > >>Well, now that we Canadians have established a stronghold on the banks of >>the Hudson we must consolidate before winter. Early September sounds about >>right for a second wave. Kevin? Dave Z.? >> >>Brad >> >>---------- >>> From: Douglas R. Jones >>> To: Multiple recipients of list >>> Subject: Re: Second List Raid WAS Re: Naughty Spit and Rhinebeck :-) >>> Date: Wednesday, June 23, 1999 12:44 PM >>> >>> At 11:09 AM 6/23/99 -0400, you wrote: >>> >>> >Sounds like the makings of another List Raid to me... >>> >>> Sounds good to me! I'll be there for sure! >>> >>> Doug >>> ---------------------------------------------------------- >>> 'I am a traveler of | Douglas R. 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