WWI Digest 1658 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: 'Easiest' OT Model by bucky@ptdprolog.net 2) Re: Knock it off !!(please) - Guns and Mrs Clinton's little boy by "DAVID BURKE" 3) DFW Mars pictures - was New SAM (21/5) by knut.erik.hagen@eunet.no (Knut Erik Hagen) 4) Re: 'Easiest' OT Model by Zulis@aol.com 5) Re: New photos on web site by Dennis Ugulano 6) Re: Bebe by lfendy@firstsaga.com (Leonard Endy) 7) Re: Bebe by "richard eaton" 8) Re: New photos on web site by "richard eaton" 9) Re: Windsock Datafiles by "DAVID BURKE" 10) Possible 1/48th scale Off topics trades by "P. Howard" 11) RE: Possible 1/48th scale Off topics trades by "Alberto Rada" 12) Re: Methuen 16F4 -purple by "Arron Monroe" 13) Re: Possible 1/48th scale Off topics trades by "Arron Monroe" 14) Re: Toko decals/ was:Off Topic Trash Talk by "Arron Monroe" 15) Re: Toko decals/ was:Off Topic Trash Talk by "Bob Pearson" 16) Re: 'Easiest' OT Model by David & Carol Fletcher 17) Re: 'Easiest' OT Model by Modelhound@aol.com 18) Re: Toko decals/ was:Off Topic Trash Talk by Dennis Ugulano 19) French Green WAS Re: Methuen 16F4 -purple by "David Vosburgh" 20) Re: 'Easiest' OT Model by "Brad Gossen" 21) Re: Rhinebeck (was Re: Basement Contents & Rhinebeck) by "David Vosburgh" 22) Re: Rhinebeck (was Re: Basement Contents & Rhinebeck) by Ernest Thomas 23) Re: 'Easiest' OT Model by Dennis Ugulano 24) Re: New photos on web site by Dennis Ugulano 25) O.T. o.t., OnT, one-o-thingy, WTFDTM by Tom Solinski 26) RE: O.T. o.t., OnT, one-o-thingy, WTFDTM by "Robert Woodbury" 27) Re: O.T. o.t., OnT, one-o-thingy, WTFDTM by Ernest Thomas 28) Re: 'Easiest' OT Model by bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) 29) Re: 'Easiest' OT Model by Matthew E Bittner 30) Re: 'Easiest' OT Model by Matthew E Bittner ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 18:24:09 -0400 From: bucky@ptdprolog.net To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: 'Easiest' OT Model Message-ID: <376EBB89.28946BC5@ptdprolog.net> With the emphasis on easy, I would have to say the winner remains the Testors Nieuport in 1/48. Parts fit together nicely....enough rigging to make it interesting. I'd rule out the Fokkers due to lack of rigging. Mike Muth Charles and Linda Duckworth wrote: > With all the new kits out, what does the list members consider the easiest > (ie., non-stress) 'on=topic' model (ie., no major fit problems, easy to rig, > etc. Would 'appear' to me the DML Fokker Triplane or Fokker DVII due to > lack of complex rigging. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 17:27:48 -0500 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: Knock it off !!(please) - Guns and Mrs Clinton's little boy Message-ID: <007001bebc35$92647be0$a7ff10d1@dora9sprynet.com> Jeez! For ONCE I'm glad to have been away and missed this turd-fight! As most of you know, I wander OT from time to time, but I don't go after domestic politics - it makes all of the foreigners jealous that our government is more disfunctional than theirs are. Let's stick to WWI, there's plenty of accusations that one could make concerning the time period and it wouldn't neccessarily by OT! Dave B. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 00:33:28 +0200 (CEST) From: knut.erik.hagen@eunet.no (Knut Erik Hagen) To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: DFW Mars pictures - was New SAM (21/5) Message-ID: <199906212233.AAA05636@login-2.eunet.no> Hei, I have a couple of decent DFW Mars pictures taken in May 1913, are they considered off-topic or worthy of being scanned? (w/n 46 & 58) It looks like a d..... big biplane to me Eders Knut Erik >>From: "Sandy Adam" > >>Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 09:57:14 -0400 (EDT) >> >>Nothing of interest in latest SAM - apart from two intriguing little >>pictures and some text on a company called VLE Models of Leesburg VA who = >>do two very nice looking models of a Fokker Spinne (thanks RK for = >>prompting this kit) and a DFW Mars in both bipe and monoplane options. >>Kits look great but there is no mention of whether they are 1/48 or some = >>other less satisfactory scale! >>A url at Tripod is given but it does not work and I have tried searching = >>on vle models or vlemodels but no luck. >>Rest of mag is OT. >>Sandy >> >> > >Sandy: > >You can go to Bob Wheeler's VLE Models site ate the following. It's worknig >for me now. > >http://members.tripod.com/~vlemodels/main.htm > >I have purchased both these kits - they are in 1/72nd scale. I first met >Bob Wheeler in April at the Northern Virginia Model Classic. I now see him >on a regualr basis when I attend the Northern Virginia IPMS meetings. He's >a really nice bloke - committed to early aircraft - he produces vacs for a >few interwar topics. he has been most encouraging to me and is among the >few (very few) at the meetings who have an interest in WWI stuff. > >Michael > > >_______________________________________________________________ >Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 18:59:33 EDT From: Zulis@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: 'Easiest' OT Model Message-ID: As somebody who usually just makes the easy ones, I would suggest that the Revell 1/72 DVII is great. Minimal rigging which, if you are looking for easy, is an asset, not a liability. Make Goering's plane and you dont have to mess with lozenge. Otherwise, if you are patient, you can paint the clear decal lozenge pattern whatever colours you have divined to be accurate. I just noticed that Barry at Rosemont has a whole range of new cowls and bits for this kit.... but then again, that would be making it complicated. :-) The TOKO Nieuport went together great, but there you are looking at strings and things. Anyway, those are my 1/72 nominations. Dave Z ps - at the OTHER end of the spectrum... we have Flashback's Voisin.... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 19:06:16 -0400 From: Dennis Ugulano To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Re: New photos on web site Message-ID: <199906211906_MC2-7A40-D41E@compuserve.com> Dave Z, Thank you. That is one big plane. My display case has about a 10" door and it is an interesting procedure to get it in and out of the case. >> If I'm not mistaken, yours are the first Ilya images to make it to our circle, though I think there are a couple under construction right now. << I do know there at least two under construction but I think the ICM kit not the one I did. From what I understand, there were some corrections made in the ICM kit. Mine is OOB with only a few modifications. >> A friend of mine is nagging me to do this model, and add figurines of her and her dog on the promenade like in that famous pic of the original. << And of course you will send us photos when its done right? :-) And we will be able to tell what kind of dog and that it is properly licensed? Dennis Ugulano email: Uggies@compuserve.com http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/uggies Page Revised 3/26/99 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 23:10:43 GMT From: lfendy@firstsaga.com (Leonard Endy) To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Bebe Message-ID: <376ec5be.1052804@legend.firstsaga.com> On Sun, 20 Jun 1999 22:16:36 -0400 (EDT), you wrote: >On Sun, 20 Jun 1999 20:40:41 -0400 (EDT) "Alberto Rada" > writes: > >> This is to let you know that as of this weekend I am >> A very proud GRANDFATHER ( first time ) of a lovely >> And charming little girl called Sofia. My first grandchild is now eleven months old and he has been a source of joy for my wife and I. I don't think a child could ever give his/her parents a greater gift then a grandchild. Enjoy the time with her and congratulations to the whole family ! Len (Who just returned from a weekend jaunt to Philly and is busy with a couple of hundred e-mails...) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 18:16:22 -0500 From: "richard eaton" To: Subject: Re: Bebe Message-ID: <199906212319.SAA05012@sierra.onr.com> Great news Alberto! Belated congratulations on the new addition! Regards, Richard ---------- > From: Alberto Rada > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: RE: Bebe > Date: Sunday, June 20, 1999 7:40 PM > > Hi List > > This is to let you know that as of this weekend I am > A very proud GRANDFATHER ( first time ) of a lovely > And charming little girl called Sofia. > She and my daughter Gabriella, did a wonderful birth job. > So now I have: > > A Mother, a Mother in Law, a Wife, an Ex-Wife, 3 Daughters > a Granddaughter, and a She Cat. > > SALUDOS > > > ( very proud grandfather Alberto ) > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 18:19:21 -0500 From: "richard eaton" To: Subject: Re: New photos on web site Message-ID: <199906212319.SAA05021@sierra.onr.com> Just got around to looking at the new items Dennis. Great stuff! Nice idea posing the Ne. next to the giant. Man you can rig! What did it take TWO sessions? I like what your tech support has done with the site! Regards, Richard ---------- > From: Dennis Ugulano > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: New photos on web site > Date: Sunday, June 20, 1999 8:55 PM > > All, > > I finally added some photos to my site. The Ilya (the Nieuport is > an extra) and Sopwith Schnieder. Also did a little rearranging of the > headers and added just a touch to DURAS. > > Dennis Ugulano > email: Uggies@compuserve.com > http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/uggies > Page Revised 3/26/99 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 17:31:21 -0500 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: Windsock Datafiles Message-ID: <038301bebc3c$2614a760$a7ff10d1@dora9sprynet.com> >RK says . ... > >> I salute you Ray and Angie! >>Robert K. > >A very loud ME TOO to the above .. > >- Bob Ditto! Dave B. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 18:27:31 -0500 From: "P. Howard" To: "WWI Post" Subject: Possible 1/48th scale Off topics trades Message-ID: <003701bebc3d$a3acf280$11818ece@phoward> I'm gettng rid of most of my off topic kits in 1/48th and some books covering the WWII era . Before selling them at a show, I was wondering if there are any list members who are interested trading WW I Items for WW II. If interested contact me OFF LIST. Cheers, Paul H ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 19:49:36 -0400 From: "Alberto Rada" To: Subject: RE: Possible 1/48th scale Off topics trades Message-ID: BEWARE BEWARE BEWARE This is a very dangerous VIRUS , if you answer this email You may find yourself building those horrible Messythings , Fok...wolves and Pityfires So, send it direct to the trashcan and stick to your lovely Albatros and Camels SALUDOS Alberto p.d. Sorry Paul, just could not help it -----Original Message----- From: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu [mailto:wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu] On Behalf Of P. Howard Sent: 21 June, 1999 7:28 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Possible 1/48th scale Off topics trades I'm gettng rid of most of my off topic kits in 1/48th and some books covering the WWII era . Before selling them at a show, I was wondering if there are any list members who are interested trading WW I Items for WW II. If interested contact me OFF LIST. Cheers, Paul H ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 19:55:02 -0400 From: "Arron Monroe" To: Subject: Re: Methuen 16F4 -purple Message-ID: <009301bebc41$7b7ae3e0$37b15f18@arron.twcny.rr.com> I hate to ask this but I don't have access locally to Humbrol paints, is there another close match with testors or Polly? Is there a mail order shop where I cold get Humbrol paints in the USA? Thanks -----Original Message----- From: Tom Werner Hansen To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Monday, June 21, 1999 10:36 AM Subject: Re: Methuen 16F4 -purple >Methuen 16F4 >This is in the range of Methuen colours that I find suspect in my edition. >I have a feeling that they are all a bit grey in the F1 to E4 area in most >colours. >However, if you take colour charts at face value a very close approximation >is Humbrol matt 104 Oxford blue. The gloss 68 purple isn't far away either, >although it looks maybe it bit too blue. > >Tom W > >---------- >> From: Arron Monroe >> To: Multiple recipients of list >> Subject: Methuen 16F4 -purple >> Date: 20. juni 1999 17:38 >> >> Hi all, >> >> I was wondering if someone could tell me what would be a good match for >> Methuen 16F4(purple)? I have seen reference to this color in Datafiles of >> the Pfalz DXII and I can't seem to get a good handle on what it would >have >> actually looked like. >> >> Thanks, >> >> AM >> > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 20:06:18 -0400 From: "Arron Monroe" To: Subject: Re: Possible 1/48th scale Off topics trades Message-ID: <009a01bebc43$0e5a9240$37b15f18@arron.twcny.rr.com> Oh no! Not those! -----Original Message----- From: Alberto Rada To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Monday, June 21, 1999 7:55 PM Subject: RE: Possible 1/48th scale Off topics trades >BEWARE BEWARE BEWARE > >This is a very dangerous VIRUS , if you answer this email >You may find yourself building those horrible > >Messythings , Fok...wolves and Pityfires > >So, send it direct to the trashcan and stick to your lovely >Albatros and Camels > >SALUDOS > >Alberto > >p.d. Sorry Paul, just could not help it > > -----Original Message----- >From: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu [mailto:wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu] On Behalf Of P. >Howard >Sent: 21 June, 1999 7:28 PM >To: Multiple recipients of list >Subject: Possible 1/48th scale Off topics trades > > I'm gettng rid of most of my off topic kits in 1/48th and some books >covering the WWII era . Before selling them at a show, I was wondering if >there are any list members who are interested trading WW I Items for WW II. >If interested contact me OFF LIST. > >Cheers, >Paul H > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 20:21:51 -0400 From: "Arron Monroe" To: Subject: Re: Toko decals/ was:Off Topic Trash Talk Message-ID: <001301bebc45$3a50ed20$37b15f18@arron.twcny.rr.com> What would be a good third party source for Lozenge decals that would work on the Toko Pfalz D XII? I'm fairly new to WWI modelling so I don't have a handle on all of the sources yet. Thanks AM -----Original Message----- From: Michael Kendix To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Monday, June 21, 1999 10:04 AM Subject: Re: Toko decals/ was:Off Topic Trash Talk > >>From: "K. Hagerup" >>Date: Sat, 19 Jun 1999 23:21:52 -0400 (EDT) >> >>Anyone else notice that the latest release of Toko's SSW D.III/IV now >>has the rudder of Udet's D.III correctly depicted as white instead of >>red. Pity they didn't fix the lozenge decals while they were at it. >> > >Ken: > >No doubt that Toko has done a great deal for the 1/72nd WWI modeller in the >recent past. The kits have minor flaws but the molding is excellent and >most problems can be rectfieid if you want to take the time, and if you >don't, the kits look good regardless. One problem is their decals - SSW >III/IV, Pfalz D.XII. Again, this is easily rectified using after-market >stuff, but I wonder why they go to such lengths to make nice models and put >those strange looking lozenge decals in the box. They could save themselves >(and us) money by leaving them out, or putting clear, outlined hexagons that >could be filled in as desired by the builder (like the Revell 1/72nd scale >Fokker D.VII). > >Michael > > > >_______________________________________________________________ >Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 17:21:13 -0700 From: "Bob Pearson" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Toko decals/ was:Off Topic Trash Talk Message-ID: <199906220030.RAA11461@mail.rapidnet.net> Pegasus lozenge gets my vote Regards, Bob Pearson Visit my WW1 Aviation page http://members.xoom.com/Sopwith_5F1 Managing Editor / Internet Modeler http://www.internetmodeler.com ---------- >From: "Arron Monroe" > >What would be a good third party source for Lozenge decals that would work >on the Toko Pfalz D XII? I'm fairly new to WWI modelling so I don't have a >handle on all of the sources yet. > >Thanks ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 16:16:46 -0700 From: David & Carol Fletcher To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: 'Easiest' OT Model Message-ID: <376EC7DE.2912@mars.ark.com> bucky@ptdprolog.net wrote: "With the emphasis on easy, I would have to say the winner remains the Testors Nieuport in 1/48. Parts fit together nicely....enough rigging to make it interesting." The rear cabane struts are supposed to be an inverted "V", not parallel struts, so that knocks the "easy" out of it. I built this one and it did come out quite nicely - I have all the mortal remains after the movers totally trashed the box it was in and may try and resurrect it some day. I'd vote for the Monogram DVII, which is in the One True Scale, if I was actually going to do something OOB and easy... Dave Fletcher ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 20:55:59 EDT From: Modelhound@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: 'Easiest' OT Model Message-ID: <59531cd5.24a0391f@aol.com> Well, I'm gonna chime in here. I think it all depends on what your objectives are. For a youngster, just building their first OnT subjects, I would say that outline accuracy and level of detail are not as important as the 'fun' factor. If I were starting someone out today, I would do just the way most of us older types did and start with Aurora kits, or at least the Smer versions of the Merit knock-offs of the Aurora kits. Yes the outlines are suspect, and the detail is not Eduard or Dragon, and the scale is not consistant, but, they go together very nicely and look like WW-1 aeroplanes. And they are cheap. AMS is better contracted later in life, it can ruin a childhood. On the same note, the Hobbycraft 1/28 Dr.1, 1/32 Camel and Nieuport make nice models out of the box. They can inspire the romance of the old crates. And they are easy on the less than mature fingers. If you're looking for an easy subject for the adult, experienced modeler who has built in standards of what's right and correct, there ain't no such a thing. Mike ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 21:05:21 -0400 From: Dennis Ugulano To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Re: Toko decals/ was:Off Topic Trash Talk Message-ID: <199906212105_MC2-7A41-9499@compuserve.com> AM, >> good third party source for Lozenge decals << Like Bob says, Pegasus makes excellent 5 color lozenge, upper and lower I think they also do a 4 color. Americal makes a nice set also. Dennis Ugulano email: Uggies@compuserve.com http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/uggies Page Revised 6/21/99 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 22:22:33 -0400 From: "David Vosburgh" To: Subject: French Green WAS Re: Methuen 16F4 -purple Message-ID: <002901bebc56$16c57040$247433cf@Pvosburg> On a similar but ever-so slightly o/t note, can anyone suggest a close Testor's or FS595a equivalent for Humbrol No.30 Dark Green? This is the color my Heller kit recommends for the post-WWI French overall camo color. DV -----Original Message----- From: Arron Monroe To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Monday, June 21, 1999 8:14 PM Subject: Re: Methuen 16F4 -purple >I hate to ask this but I don't have access locally to Humbrol paints, is >there another close match with testors or Polly? > >Is there a mail order shop where I cold get Humbrol paints in the USA? > >Thanks ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 22:47:07 -0400 From: "Brad Gossen" To: Subject: Re: 'Easiest' OT Model Message-ID: <199906220248.WAA29818@mail5.globalserve.net> Hands down, it's the Hasegawa Miniplanes Morane Saulnier N. It comes in about 5 pieces. This is what I'm using to introduce the missus to The Art. Brad ---------- > From: Charles and Linda Duckworth > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: 'Easiest' OT Model > Date: Sunday, June 20, 1999 11:53 PM > > With all the new kits out, what does the list members consider the easiest > (ie., non-stress) 'on=topic' model (ie., no major fit problems, easy to rig, > etc. Would 'appear' to me the DML Fokker Triplane or Fokker DVII due to > lack of complex rigging. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 23:07:14 -0400 From: "David Vosburgh" To: Subject: Re: Rhinebeck (was Re: Basement Contents & Rhinebeck) Message-ID: <007001bebc5c$54f35980$247433cf@Pvosburg> -----Original Message----- From: Brad Gossen Date: Monday, June 21, 1999 3:44 PM Subject: Re: Rhinebeck (was Re: Basement Contents & Rhinebeck) Brad writes: >I'm going back later this season (Dave >Z.,Dave V.?) as I have to see the SPAD fly (the DVa too)! I'm in. Cam mentioned that he was planning on going back at some point this season as well (I think he's actually working on some diabolical Aussie plan to 'scrounge' the Camel... ), so maybe we can all hook up this time! > Dave V. I guess I'll have to find a bigger bright orange windsock to >wear on my C&C hat! Sorry I missed you and Cam. It was a BIG crowd! Well, in our mutual defence there were definitely a mess of people there. Cam & Kym and I looked high and low for you guys as well, but it was no go... next time everybody will have to meet up at the Rolling Rock Cafe or somewhere for lunch before the show. Glad you & Kevin had a good time. I certainly did... I can't recommend the Rhinebeck experience enough to any of the rest of you who can make the trip. Beautiful setting, lots o' neat stuff to look at, and to actually see the a/c fly still sends chills up my spine, even as many times as I've been there over the years. And meeting another list member and his lovely wife made it an unbeatable combination. Regards, DV (PS --- BTW Brad, the difference between your basement and LEOs (I assume) is that a lot of the stuff in Leonard's used to be material that was for sale through WWI Aero and Skyways. So I won't cast covetous eyes towards your hard-won collection... I sure hope I get a chance to see it someday, though!) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 22:22:52 -0500 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Rhinebeck (was Re: Basement Contents & Rhinebeck) Message-ID: <376F018C.46A9@bellsouth.net> David Vosburgh wrote: I can't recommend the Rhinebeck > experience enough to any of the rest of you who can make the trip. Beautiful setting, lots > o' neat stuff to look at, and to actually see the a/c fly still sends chills up my spine, So they make you stand in the prop wash? :) Seriously though, I hope to get up there some day. In fact Rhinebeck has taken a higher priority over NASM as the first place I want to go next time I cross the Mason/Dixon. BUt I have one question, Do they only just fly around the traffic pattern like at Aerodrome? Because that did get a wee bit dull after several hours. Not to mention the effect on the neck muscles was about the same as you would get watching a tennis match between Andre Agassi(sp?) and Ray Charles from courtside. E. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 23:48:56 -0400 From: Dennis Ugulano To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Re: 'Easiest' OT Model Message-ID: <199906212349_MC2-7A39-5F4C@compuserve.com> Dave Z I second your choice of the Revell D.VII. Very simple out of the box and the proper scale. All of the kit parts are usable and give a reasonable representation of the actual part. >> ps - at the OTHER end of the spectrum... we have Flashback's Voisin.... << Been there, done that and I agree. But we don't want to scare them off. Running screaming into the night is not the results we are seeking. Dennis Ugulano email: Uggies@compuserve.com http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/uggies Page Revised 6/21/99 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 23:48:54 -0400 From: Dennis Ugulano To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Re: New photos on web site Message-ID: <199906212349_MC2-7A39-5F4B@compuserve.com> Richard, >> I like what your tech support has done with the site! << You have earned a Nice Guy Award from Tech Support for your comment. She thanks you for your nice words. It's really cool having in-house Tech Support. And she's cute too! >> Man you can rig! What did it take TWO sessions? << You are looking about about 6 hours of total rigging on that monster. There's almost 2 hours just in the tail. The undercarriage had well over an hour and about 2 hours in the balance of the kit. The Nieuport was added just to show the size of the Ilya in comparison to a fighter. And the Nieuport did not have as much rigging as just the tail of the Ilya. Thank you for your comments. Dennis Ugulano email: Uggies@compuserve.com http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/uggies Page Revised 6/21/99 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 22:57:54 -0500 From: Tom Solinski To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: O.T. o.t., OnT, one-o-thingy, WTFDTM Message-ID: <376F09C2.77B1E81D@ionet.net> Lads and Lassies, IMHO my black and white engineering mind has noticed we don't have a standard abbreviation for On Topic topics and Off Topic topics. Yes, I reviewed the FAQ. FWIW, may I suggest we us the correct CAPITOL (as in large, as in 1/48) "OT" for ON topic, and the appropriate, insignificant small case (as in 1/72) "ot" for the much to be ignored other thingies. Failing that, IIRC a nice "OnT" cropped up earlier this day and it appeared most appropriate for we who can't remember if the "O" is for On or Off. Of course this is not to be confused with the O-N-O-F-F BI-MODAL FUNCTION SWITCH which I will shortly activate. BTW. Anyone going to meet me at the St. Louis WW-I air meet on the 4th of July? TTFN T. Solinski Maj. USAFR (ret). 507CLSS/LGX FAA ASI, AVN220 PPSEL/MEL SMBIKA ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 12:06:41 +0800 From: "Robert Woodbury" To: Subject: RE: O.T. o.t., OnT, one-o-thingy, WTFDTM Message-ID: <002a01bebc64$a25fee60$91107482@per.clw.csiro.au> Sorry. You lost me with the subject line. I'm just a humble chemist! Rob > > IMHO my black and white engineering mind has noticed we don't have a > standard abbreviation for On Topic topics and Off Topic topics. Yes, I > reviewed the FAQ. FWIW, may I suggest we us the correct CAPITOL (as in > large, as in 1/48) "OT" for ON topic, and the appropriate, insignificant > small case (as in 1/72) "ot" for the much to be ignored other thingies. > Failing that, IIRC a nice "OnT" cropped up earlier this day and it > appeared most appropriate for we who can't remember if the "O" is for On > or Off. > Of course this is not to be confused with the O-N-O-F-F BI-MODAL > FUNCTION SWITCH which I will shortly activate. > BTW. Anyone going to meet me at the St. Louis WW-I air meet on the 4th > of July? > TTFN > T. Solinski Maj. USAFR (ret). > 507CLSS/LGX > FAA ASI, AVN220 > PPSEL/MEL > SMBIKA > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 23:08:57 -0500 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: O.T. o.t., OnT, one-o-thingy, WTFDTM Message-ID: <376F0C59.2200@bellsouth.net> Tom Solinski wrote: > FWIW, may I suggest we us the correct CAPITOL (as in > large, as in 1/48) "OT" for ON topic, and the appropriate, insignificant > small case (as in 1/72) "ot" for the much to be ignored other thingies. I'll second this motion when I'm finished rotfl. E. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 22:13:20 -0700 (PDT) From: bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: 'Easiest' OT Model Message-ID: <199906220513.WAA17631@compass.OregonVOS.net> Dave Fletcher writes: >bucky@ptdprolog.net wrote: >"With the emphasis on easy, I would have to say the winner remains the > Testors Nieuport in 1/48. Parts fit together nicely....enough rigging >to make it interesting." >The rear cabane struts are supposed to be an inverted "V", not parallel >struts, so that knocks the "easy" out of it. So stick Eisenkruz insignia on it and call it a Pfalz D.I! :-) I built this one and it >did come out quite nicely - I have all the mortal remains after the >movers totally trashed the box it was in and may try and resurrect it >some day. I'd vote for the Monogram DVII, which is in the One True >Scale, if I was actually going to do something OOB and easy... Compared to fixing the wing taper problem on the D.VII kit, manufacturing a new inverted "V" strut for the Hawk Nieuport is the proverbial "piece of cake". Cheers and all, -- Bill Shatzer - bshatzer@orednet.org "You don't need a weather man to know which way the wind blows." -Bob Dylan- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 04:59:25 -0500 From: Matthew E Bittner To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: 'Easiest' OT Model Message-ID: <19990622.050746.-90655.0.mbittner@juno.com> On Mon, 21 Jun 1999 20:30:19 -0400 (EDT) David & Carol Fletcher writes: > I'd vote for the Monogram DVII, which is in the One True > Scale, if I was actually going to do something OOB and easy... 1/46th is the one true scale? Something I haven't heard? ;-) Matt Bittner http://www.geocities.com/~ipmsfortcrook http://www.discoveromaha.com/community/groups/plasticmodelers/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 05:00:44 -0500 From: Matthew E Bittner To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: 'Easiest' OT Model Message-ID: <19990622.050746.-90655.1.mbittner@juno.com> On Mon, 21 Jun 1999 22:48:39 -0400 (EDT) "Brad Gossen" writes: > Hands down, it's the Hasegawa Miniplanes Morane Saulnier N. It comes > in > about 5 pieces. This is what I'm using to introduce the missus to > The Art. And if she doesn't use the MoS logo's, they're perfect for 1/72nd. Matt Bittner http://www.geocities.com/~ipmsfortcrook http://www.discoveromaha.com/community/groups/plasticmodelers/index.html ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 1658 **********************