WWI Digest 1653 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Rhinebeck List Raid by David & Carol Fletcher 2) Re: Ship Modelers WAS Re: CDL by "Aidrian Bridgeman-Sutton" 3) Tiny stuff for sale by Tom Solinski 4) Re: Rhinebeck List Raid by "Chris Cato" 5) Re: Ship Modelers by David & Carol Fletcher 6) Re: Rhinebeck List Raid by "Lee J Mensinger" 7) Old Timer In the Hobby by "Mike" 8) Re: Flying old airplanes by "Bill Neill" 9) Re: Buying at Hannants, was RE: something for the eensy-weensies by "Bill Neill" 10) Re: Rhinebeck List Raid by "cameron rile" 11) Re: Old Timer In the Hobby by KarrArt@aol.com 12) Re: Flying old airplanes by Albatrosdv@aol.com 13) Re: Old Timer In the Hobby by Albatrosdv@aol.com 14) Re: Bye by Ernest Thomas 15) Avions 75 - June by Pedro e Francisca Soares 16) Re: Flying old airplanes by Tom Solinski 17) Re: CDL by "Tom Werner Hansen" 18) Re: CDL by Scottfking@aol.com 19) Re: Flying old airplanes by Albatrosdv@aol.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 12:45:01 -0700 From: David & Carol Fletcher To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Rhinebeck List Raid Message-ID: <376AA1BD.5355@mars.ark.com> cameron rile wrote: " umm I'm Australian. Are those odds still good against Australians?" We weren't planning of fighting the Aussies and never have (on a national level!). You never exhibited any territorial ambitions over our animals, vegetables or minerals. "Canada is lucky Australia doesnt play Ice Hockey :) Which after Aussie Rules is the best sport on the planet." I've seen an Aussie on ice and it was not a pretty sight! I thought "Aussie Rules" was a euphemism for "No Rules". "Im looking forward to the day in 2001 when Australia becomes a republic..." And what are you going to call the Royal Australian Air Force? But I'll avoid detailed political critique here as it is inappropriate for the list. I'm not sure the Queen needs an Aussie birth certificate - I served Canada loyally for 36 years and I don't have Canadian birth certificate - in fact I consider the American law insisting the president be born in the U.S.A. to be discriminatory against imigrants - how's that for "truly a democracy"? Now how do we get this back to topic... We were all on the same side in WWI - let's keep it that way! Dave Fletcher "An educated guess is just as accurate and far faster than compiled errors" - George S. Patton ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 21:29:16 +0100 From: "Aidrian Bridgeman-Sutton" To: Subject: Re: Ship Modelers WAS Re: CDL Message-ID: <007a01beb9d3$a210ca80$6184fad4@pc0973> >So, where are the WW1 ship modellers? (or kits) >Any out there? That's me on occasion - the usual set of variations on Airfix's Iron Duke and Warspite, and a V/W class destroyer from wood. I have this thing for K-boats as well- all real submarines have steam engines! Kits - you could also try looking at the various large scale kits intended for motorising - Caldercraft have a lovely kit for HMT Resolve...... at about £450. Aidrian ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 17:53:13 -0500 From: Tom Solinski To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Tiny stuff for sale Message-ID: <376ACDD9.EE08838C@ionet.net> Happy weekend listers This guy :fontenoy@clis.com has a bunch of 1/72 WW-I A/C for sale on ; http://HOBBYWEB.COM./main/free_ad.cgi?EID=261FF3A0 tom Solinski ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 19:08:04 -0400 From: "Chris Cato" To: Subject: Re: Rhinebeck List Raid Message-ID: <001001beb9df$a69e7280$0e9342d1@chrishome> Dave! List Raiders! Alas, I will not be able to make it this weekend! Too many other events pending. Take lots of photos, don't inhale too much castor oil and talk the pilots ears off about how they do what they do... Godspeed, Chris Cato tcato@connix.com -----Original Message----- From: David Vosburgh To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Thursday, June 17, 1999 10:13 PM Subject: Rhinebeck List Raid >Hey troops... > >Who's going to Rhinebeck this weekend? And more importantly, how are we all going to hook >up? > >I know Cam and I are planning to go on Saturday (6/19), although I'd originally said I was >going on Sunday... seems I forgot about Father's Day and had to do some fancy footwork to >extricate myself. > >Kevin, Brad, Chris, are you still going? Anybody else? > >Regards, > >Dave > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 15:01:11 -0700 From: David & Carol Fletcher To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Ship Modelers Message-ID: <376AC1A7.5FB6@mars.ark.com> Aidrian Bridgeman-Sutton wrote: "...a V/W class destroyer from wood..." Interesting - my uncle served on the elderly HMS Vanoc during WWII on the Murmansk run and on HMS Queen Elizabeth in Trincomalee. I have a hand-made ship's badge from QE - it was one of two made in Ceylon (now Sri Lanka), the other going to Louis Mountbatten. If I ever get all of my aeroplanes done... Since you have built one (presumably with references!), how is the Man o' War 2 "V and W Class Destroyers" by Alan Raven and John Roberts as a reference? Dave Fletcher ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 18:17:53 -0500 From: "Lee J Mensinger" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu, "Lee Mensinger" Subject: Re: Rhinebeck List Raid Message-ID: <376AD3A1.13F8E688@wireweb.net> --------------6866960ABAF8EFADFD5B8270 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Americanism. Always on topic... My regrets to those who believe the U.S. is a Democracy. That is the cruelest most terrible political system ever thought of. In plain language it is called "mob rule", where the majority always wins everything, everytime and the minority will always lose. Thank who ever you think you should that our forefathers had more wisdom than many modern people who like to believe they are so wise. We are a Republic, based on Democratic principles, please do not ever forget it. Forgetting that will be the easiest route to total Dictatorship and the utter destruction of our nation as we know it. The politicians are not the rulers of our country... We are... Lee David & Carol Fletcher wrote: > cameron rile wrote: > > " umm I'm Australian. Are those odds still good against Australians?" > > We weren't planning of fighting the Aussies and never have (on a > national level!). You never exhibited any territorial ambitions over > our animals, vegetables or minerals. > > "Canada is lucky Australia doesnt play Ice Hockey :) Which after Aussie > Rules is the best sport on the planet." I've seen an Aussie on ice and > it was not a pretty sight! I thought "Aussie Rules" was a euphemism for > "No Rules". > > "Im looking forward to the day in 2001 when Australia becomes a > republic..." And what are you going to call the Royal Australian Air > Force? But I'll avoid detailed political critique here as it is > inappropriate for the list. I'm not sure the Queen needs an Aussie > birth certificate - I served Canada loyally for 36 years and I don't > have Canadian birth certificate - in fact I consider the American law > insisting the president be born in the U.S.A. to be discriminatory > against imigrants - how's that for "truly a democracy"? > > Now how do we get this back to topic... We were all on the same side in > WWI - let's keep it that way! > > Dave Fletcher > "An educated guess is just as accurate and far faster than compiled > errors" - George S. Patton --------------6866960ABAF8EFADFD5B8270 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Americanism.  Always on topic...

My regrets to those who believe the U.S. is a Democracy.    That is the cruelest most terrible political system ever thought of.  In plain language it is called "mob rule", where the majority always wins everything, everytime and the minority will always lose.   Thank who ever you think you should that our forefathers had more wisdom than many modern people who like to believe they are so wise.

We are a Republic, based on Democratic principles, please do not ever forget it.  Forgetting that will be the easiest route to total Dictatorship and the utter destruction of our nation as we know it.  The politicians are not the rulers of our country... We are...   Lee

David & Carol Fletcher wrote:

cameron rile wrote:

" umm I'm Australian. Are those odds still good against Australians?"

We weren't planning of fighting the Aussies and never have (on a
national level!).  You never exhibited any territorial ambitions over
our animals, vegetables or minerals.

"Canada is lucky Australia doesnt play Ice Hockey :) Which after Aussie
Rules is the best sport on the planet."  I've seen an Aussie on ice and
it was not a pretty sight!  I thought "Aussie Rules" was a euphemism for
"No Rules".

"Im looking forward to the day in 2001 when Australia becomes a
republic..."  And what are you going to call the Royal Australian Air
Force?  But I'll avoid detailed political critique here as it is
inappropriate for the list.  I'm not sure the Queen needs an Aussie
birth certificate - I served Canada loyally for 36 years and I don't
have  Canadian birth certificate - in fact I consider the American law
insisting the president be born in the U.S.A. to be discriminatory
against imigrants - how's that for "truly a democracy"?

Now how do we get this back to topic...  We were all on the same side in
WWI - let's keep it that way!

Dave Fletcher
"An educated guess is just as accurate and far faster than compiled
errors" - George S. Patton

--------------6866960ABAF8EFADFD5B8270-- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 18:38:16 -0700 From: "Mike" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Subject: Old Timer In the Hobby Message-ID: <000501beb9f4$68dfaa80$bd8c3ace@default> Just received an interesting Ebay purchase in the mail today....Cross & Cockade Journal, Volume 1, #3 Autumn 1960. With the organization in it's early stages, they still had time to list all the members names and addresses in the back..... listed is: MICHAEL FRANKLIN 5238 Collegeview Ave. Los Angeles, Calif There is also a wonderful article about Jasta 5 and a full writeup about the Avitak Berg D.1. (bought the issue in anticipation of the Toko kit release.) Barry, has the Toko Berg showed up yet....pant, pant, pant...... Mike Dicianna "Der Rote Modellflugzeugbauer" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 19:47:08 -0700 From: "Bill Neill" To: Subject: Re: Flying old airplanes Message-ID: <005601beb9fe$92ff7700$2812c0d8@bill> After my last posting, I went to find the David Olgivy book of flying notes for the Shuttleworth a/c. Apart from the handling notes for each, there is a nice photo of each cockpit (if you can call a flattish bit to sit on and some bits of wood to waggle a cockpit) Cockpit photos of.... Bleriot X1 Bristol Boxkite Avro Triplane Blackburn Monoplane Avro 504k Sopwith pup Bristol fighter LVG CVI If anyone wants a scan, drop me a msg. Bill Neill ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 19:34:27 -0700 From: "Bill Neill" To: Subject: Re: Buying at Hannants, was RE: something for the eensy-weensies Message-ID: <005501beb9fe$91a08340$2812c0d8@bill> Hi Mike, there are a lot of neat places in the area. Drop off at Aldeburgh for the Glyndbourne opera. Go a bit further to Yarmouth, great brit seaside town. Go a little more and you are in my all time romantic weekend place, Sheringham. Cut inland, and you get to the Queens place at Sandringham. Bill > Bill: > > Thanks for this. Although I'd have to have a fantastic excuse to give my > wife for visitng Lowestoft when I went to London with my family. "My dear, > I hear the Norfolk Broads are wonderful this time of year." (What if it's > January?). > > Michael > > >From: "Bill Neill" > >Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 11:55:54 -0400 (EDT) > > > >Yes, I have done this. > >Tell Hannants you are going to do it and they will give you a suitable > >receipt, and explain the process. > >If you go out through Terminal 4 at Heathrow the VAT payback desk is in the > >departure area, and the line is generally short. Takes a few minutes to get > >your money. In theory you have to show the goods, in practice, they have > >not > >wanted to see them so far. > >I go the Hannant's warehouse in Lowestoft, they have a lot more stock > >(including stuff that never makes it to the catalog) and helpful staff. > > > >Bill Neill > > > > > > Did you actually do this yourself? If anyone has reclaimed VAT at > >Heathrow > > > Airport, I would like to hear how it went. My second hand source > >explained > > > that forms are required at the place of purchase. Theese forms are > > > submitted at the airport. He said there was a processing fee associated > > > with these forms at the airport. The entire thing put me off. > > > > > > Michael > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________________________ > > > Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________________________ > Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 23:16:49 -0300 From: "cameron rile" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Rhinebeck List Raid Message-ID: <199906182018245@cameron.prontomail.com> >And what are you going to call the Royal Australian Air Force? When it was originally formed in 1921 it was called the Australian Air Force, though I think that only lasted a couple of months before it was changed to Royal Australian Air Force. cam ______________________________________________________________ Get Your Free E-mail and Homepage at http://www.prontomail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Jun 1999 00:11:29 EDT From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Old Timer In the Hobby Message-ID: <3339d29.249c7271@aol.com> In a message dated 6/18/99 6:39:54 PM Pacific Daylight Time, mikedc@dnc.net writes: << Just received an interesting Ebay purchase in the mail today....Cross & Cockade Journal, Volume 1, #3 Autumn 1960. With the organization in it's early stages, they still had time to list all the members names and addresses in the back..... >> They kept that up! Whenever I get my paws on on a "new"(to me) copy, I turn to the back and check out who joined and who moved! Robert K. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Jun 1999 00:56:32 EDT From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Flying old airplanes Message-ID: <96d6f877.249c7d00@aol.com> In a message dated 99-06-18 22:51:10 EDT, you write: << After my last posting, I went to find the David Olgivy book of flying notes for the Shuttleworth a/c. Apart from the handling notes for each, there is a n >> I notice he had the good taste not to fly a Jenny - a task almost beyond the capability of a modern pilot. Equal deflection non-sensitive ailerons; non-trimmable elevators; over-sensitive rudder (which you lead with). Go beyond a "standard rate turn" and you have entered a high speed stall, which turns into a spin, and takes 3,800 ft to recover from (now do all you pilots know where "the coffin corner" came from, overshooting base to final??). I used to marvel that my father wingwalked them at age 16 (ran away from home that summer and joined a flying circus), and he used to say that "once you got over the height, it was like standing up in the back of a pickup," then I flew in it and realized that at 42mph (it takes off at 32 mph) he was right. The hour and a half I put in with Jim Nissen in his 80%-original restoration has stuck with me for 20 years - the one airplane I held the controls of that I knew I couldn't fly. Tom Cleaver ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Jun 1999 00:57:31 EDT From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Old Timer In the Hobby Message-ID: <18fc4077.249c7d3b@aol.com> In a message dated 99-06-19 00:15:00 EDT, you write: << They kept that up! Whenever I get my paws on on a "new"(to me) copy, I turn to the back and check out who joined and who moved! Robert K. >> Have we just proven what a truly small band of guerillas we are, or what??? TC ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Jun 1999 00:39:33 -0500 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Bye Message-ID: <376B2D15.5F2E@bellsouth.net> Paul Schwartzkopf wrote: > In the meantime, keep 'em all in line, E! OK, you heard the man. I don't want any trouble outta you guys. Btw, just had a pleasent visit from Dave'Dora9'Burke. It seems he's really having a good time with WWI subjects. Looks like we hooked another one. Good work men. I should see him again tomorrow when I cross the river to pick up my NEW MODELING BENCH! :) I'll be sure to send a picture of it to Len for the work bench gallery before I get it all cluttered up. E. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Jun 1999 13:54:19 +0100 From: Pedro e Francisca Soares To: WW1 modeling list Subject: Avions 75 - June Message-ID: <376B92FB.A73F1695@mail.telepac.pt> On topic stuff: - The Il'Ya Muromets - History's first flying fortresses. By Victor Kulikov. (First part of a series, with plenty of photos). (1 colour profile) - Edmond Thieffry - The "Comets" Ace. Bio of Belgium's WW1 Ace with plenty of photos and colour profiles for 3 aicraft. Um abraco Pedro ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Jun 1999 08:53:42 -0500 From: Tom Solinski To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Flying old airplanes Message-ID: <376BA0E6.53948C01@ionet.net> Albatrosdv@aol.com wrote: > I notice he had the good taste not to fly a Jenny - a task almost beyond the > capability of a modern pilot. > > Equal deflection non-sensitive ailerons; non-trimmable elevators; > over-sensitive rudder (which you lead with). Tom you also forgot to mention that Curtiss in order to avoid more troubles with the Wrights patents, on most pre war airplanes the ailerons were controlled by a yolk at the BACK of the seat that was attached around your shoulders. To roll the airplane you leaned in the direction you wanted to go. I'm glad the single stick won out to this separate system Tom Solinski ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Jun 1999 15:34:16 +0200 From: "Tom Werner Hansen" To: Subject: Re: CDL Message-ID: <199906191619.SAA10305@golf.dax.net> 6(D-E)8, np FS equivalent. (Humbrol Tan is a pretty good match) Tom W ---------- > From: Diego Fernetti > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: RE: CDL > Date: 17. juni 1999 14:17 > > -----Mensaje original----- > De: Tom Werner Hansen > > >Actually CDL means: > >Cool Dog Liniment. > >Need I say more?. > > > Yes. Please tell us if the tonal values of the dog in Methuen or FS > equivalences. > D. > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Jun 1999 12:43:54 EDT From: Scottfking@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: CDL Message-ID: In a message dated 6/16/99 1:27:21 PM EST, djones@iex.com writes: << >Talking about dope, ever heard of Randolph dope. They sell the stuff around >her for real airplanes, but I used to buy it for model airplanes also. I used >a lot of silk and dope on model sailplanes until that plastic shrink stuff >came along. >> I use dope on laminated wood propellors 1/72 and 1/48. It fills the grain and dries very quickly so I can get a nice finish using progressively finer grades of sandpaper. Skippy ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Jun 1999 13:48:03 EDT From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Flying old airplanes Message-ID: <15eabadf.249d31d3@aol.com> In a message dated 99-06-19 09:56:15 EDT, you write: << Tom you also forgot to mention that Curtiss in order to avoid more troubles with the Wrights patents, on most pre war airplanes the ailerons were controlled by a yolk at the BACK of the seat that was attached around your shoulders. To roll the airplane you leaned in the direction you wanted to go. I'm glad the single stick won out to this separate system >> Fortunately, this had been resolved by the time of the Jenny. I wouldn't have even tried that!! Tom C ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 1653 **********************