WWI Digest 1648 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Auto Gyro by BEN8800@aol.com 2) Re: something for the eensy-weensies by Albatrosdv@aol.com 3) Re: CDL by "Lee J Mensinger" 4) Re: RB 2.... by CTJDavies@aol.com 5) Re: CDL by David_Zulis@wsib.on.ca 6) Re: Auto Gyro by Mike Fletcher 7) Re: CDL by "Tom Werner Hansen" 8) Re: something for the eensy-weensies by Matthew E Bittner 9) late/post war history question by "=?iso-8859-9?B?QvxsZW50IFn9bG1hemVy?=" 10) Re: something for the eensy-weensies by Michael Kendix 11) Re: something for the eensy-weensies by "Mark Shanks" 12) RE: this year's datafiles by Shane Weier 13) Re: CDL by BEN8800@aol.com 14) Re: Jenny WAS: CDL by BEN8800@aol.com 15) Re: something for the eensy-weensies by Albatrosdv@aol.com 16) RE: Possible Scratchbuild Subject? by Shane Weier 17) Re: Jenny WAS: CDL by "Paul Schwartzkopf" 18) Scale by BEN8800@aol.com 19) RE: something for the eensy-weensies by Shane Weier 20) Re: CDL by "Bill Neill" 21) RE: Scale by Shane Weier 22) Re: something for the eensy-weensies by Matthew E Bittner 23) Re: Possible Scratchbuild Subject? by Brent & Tina Theobald 24) Rigging by BEN8800@aol.com 25) Re: Scale by BEN8800@aol.com 26) RE: Possible Scratchbuild Subject? by Shane Weier 27) Re: Scale by "Mark Shanks" 28) 1/48th 260 hp Mercedes by "Charles and Linda Duckworth" 29) RE: Scale by Shane Weier 30) Scales again by BEN8800@aol.com 31) Re: 1/48th 260 hp Mercedes by mgoodwin@ricochet.net 32) RE: Happy Birthday to . . . by Mick Fauchon 33) Ship Modelers WAS Re: CDL by "David Vosburgh" 34) Re: 1/48th 260 hp Mercedes by Mike Fletcher 35) Warning!! Danger Will Robinson. Danger!! by "Robert Johnson" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 14:28:21 EDT From: BEN8800@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Auto Gyro Message-ID: When I was over to the College Park Museum looking at the Jenny, they have an early auto Gyro plane there. Not WW 1 but about 1920. Hell of a looking thing. Has long wings, with two large propellers on top of the upper wings. Under the props on the lower wings are a bunch of louvers like vertical ailerons which I assume are for the air flow of those large horizontal props. What really got me - They have a dummy pilot sitting in the cockpit, and those two large props come within 6" of his head on either side. If he leaned over the side to look down , good bye head! In general, I think all the early pilots really had guts or were just plain stupid. Ben ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 14:35:38 EDT From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: something for the eensy-weensies Message-ID: <8e6aa8ca.2499487a@aol.com> I heard Bittner complaining bittnerly recently about coverage of French aircraft. Thought you'd like to know that among the upcoming releases this year from Planet Models is a.... 1/72 Spad XI Assuming you can actually see it, of course. :-) Tom Cleaver ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 13:41:56 -0500 From: "Lee J Mensinger" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: CDL Message-ID: <3767EFF4.88F478B0@wireweb.net> Clear Doped Linen Lee BEN8800@aol.com wrote: > You guys and your abbreviations. What the hell is CDL? > > Ben ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 14:39:50 EDT From: CTJDavies@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: RB 2.... Message-ID: <8285c9ce.24994976@aol.com> Gee, I'd love my Tripes amd Camels to pull either to the left (or right) as they should, but they fly straight and level hands off, as does the SE5a and all other inline types). Chris Does anyone use a rudder bar? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 14:15:59 -0400 From: David_Zulis@wsib.on.ca To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: CDL Message-ID: <85256792.006442BB.00@Notes.Server5.wcb.on.ca> CDL = "Clear Doped Linen" (not, as I originally thought... "Clowns Drinking Liquor") ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 12:48:21 -0700 From: Mike Fletcher To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Auto Gyro Message-ID: <3767FF85.54438F8A@mars.ark.com> This was a conversion of a Nieuport 17 or 23... BEN8800@aol.com wrote: > > When I was over to the College Park Museum looking at the Jenny, they have an > early auto Gyro plane there. Not WW 1 but about 1920. Hell of a looking > thing. Has long wings, with two large propellers on top of the upper wings. > Under the props on the lower wings are a bunch of louvers like vertical > ailerons which I assume are for the air flow of those large horizontal props. > > What really got me - They have a dummy pilot sitting in the cockpit, and > those two large props come within 6" of his head on either side. If he leaned > over the side to look down , good bye head! > > In general, I think all the early pilots really had guts or were just plain > stupid. > > Ben -- Mike Fletcher ___ ., mdf@mars.ark.com |-\|^----! ; mikef@sparc.nic.bc.ca |--n--""*" icq=19554083 @ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 21:53:30 +0200 From: "Tom Werner Hansen" To: Subject: Re: CDL Message-ID: <199906162008.WAA11779@golf.dax.net> Actually CDL means: Cool Dog Liniment. I once used to have a dog with a skin condition which required putting on a soothing oil. By some "coincidence" I had poured some remaining cellulose dope into a bottle from the drug store that was of the same type that I got the dog oil in. One day my daughter (at the time about 15 and prone to things without thinking) was going to smear the dog with the oil. The bottle of dope was on the shelf. Need I say more. Tom W ---------- > From: David_Zulis@wsib.on.ca > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: CDL > Date: 16. juni 1999 20:49 > > CDL = "Clear Doped Linen" (not, as I originally thought... "Clowns > Drinking Liquor") > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 15:06:26 -0500 From: Matthew E Bittner To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: something for the eensy-weensies Message-ID: <19990616.151620.-122817.1.mbittner@juno.com> On Wed, 16 Jun 1999 14:38:58 -0400 (EDT) Albatrosdv@aol.com writes: > I heard Bittner complaining bittnerly recently about coverage of > French > aircraft. > > Thought you'd like to know that among the upcoming releases this > year from > Planet Models is a.... > > 1/72 Spad XI > > Assuming you can actually see it, of course. :-) Why? Planet is a resin maker, right? Do they have the technique to make thin trailing edges? If not, I will definitely stick with the Roseplane vac. However, I am still interested. I take it no release date yet? I would be interested in comparing it with Barry's awesome effort. I'm working on (and off) the Roseplane SPAD 11 now, and it's the best vac I have seen and/or built. The resin smaller bits are out of this world. Plus, you should see the resin cowl to his Hanriot HD.3. There are three resin makers in my book now: Hawkeye, Rosemont and all the rest. Hawkeye and Rosemont are toe-to-toe as far as quality goes. The rest have been left in the (sanding) dust... Matt Bittner http://www.geocities.com/~ipmsfortcrook http://www.discoveromaha.com/community/groups/plasticmodelers/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 23:36:01 +0300 From: "=?iso-8859-9?B?QvxsZW50IFn9bG1hemVy?=" To: Cc: Subject: late/post war history question Message-ID: <01beb837$d8b7f880$LocalHost@Bluebird.tr-net.net.tr> Dear Tom, I am much pleased to hear that you have found my posting informative. Thank you for your words of praise. Such exchange of information is what makes this list so wonderful and I always look forward to similar postings from all list members. Best wishes and happy modeling, Bulent Yilmazer Ankara - TURKEY yilmazer@tr-net.net.tr > >> >I don't see it was so "off topic," and quite frankly it was one of the single >most informative posts other than Bulent's that's been here recently (no >denigration involved for those who might feel denigrable - :-)) > >Tom Cleaver ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 13:56:24 PDT From: Michael Kendix To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: something for the eensy-weensies Message-ID: <19990616205624.15478.qmail@hotmail.com> >From: Albatrosdv@aol.com > >I heard Bittner complaining bittnerly recently about coverage of >French >aircraft. > >Thought you'd like to know that among the upcoming releases this year from >Planet Models is a.... > >1/72 Spad XI > >Assuming you can actually see it, of course. :-) Of course, I could, if I was going to do one but I am coming round to Matt's view that a decent vac is the best medium for many WWI kits. Just returned from a week's visit to London, where I met Graham Nash (our man, not the ex-Holly) who bought me a meal in the West End and showed me around the bookshops of Charing-X. I also visited Len Smith who also fed me - steak and kidney bourginione (sp?). How he knew I was among the 3% of people who like steak and kidney, I'll never know. I was able to see and stare at Len's magnificent model collection - about 100, 1/72nd scale built up WWI kits, mostly British, but quite a few French and some other allied stuff. It's a real treat to see 2 long shelves full of these models - mostly CDL/PC10 - a big inspiration - saw the PV7 Grain Kitten, PV8 Eastchurch Kitten and the wondrous Sopwith Cuckoo. Back to the vac issue; from looking at Len's builds, I became convinced that vacs have major advantages with respect to their wings being so thin and translucent. The downside of vacs is their fuselage, although I notice a number of postings recently suggesting solutions for that. Now I have to build a vac, or at least give it a shot. Also visited RAF Hendon where I proceeded to take photos with the lens cap on. Fortunately, nobody saw me doing it and I noticed after about 14 shots, so I went back and did them again. Went to Hannants but didn't buy anything. Also, visited Comet Miniatures and had a pleasant conversation with one of the persons there - bought a few things, including an Eastchurch Kitten vac! Michael _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 14:00:47 -0700 From: "Mark Shanks" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: something for the eensy-weensies Message-ID: <199906162105.OAA27268@elvis.fltdyn.com> Michael Kendix writes: > Went to Hannants but didn't buy anything. This is probably the single most remarkable statement I have read since joining this list. Mark mshanks@fltdyn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 07:25:25 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: this year's datafiles Message-ID: <65C968E11318D311B0BD0060B06865CD0410E5@mimhexch.mim.com.au> Dennis, > See what you guys have done to me. And wait > til you see > the Oeffag C.II engine. Can't believe what I did to it. I > never did this > stuff until I met you guys. Ruined! That's what I am. > Ruined! I used to > go along happy thinking I was doing a good job and then I > join up here. > Now I add things you can't see because I know it's there. I > knew it was > there before but I didn't care. Now I care and it's all > because of you > guys. All I can say is THANKS! You're welcome old mate. It's a plan you see. First we stop you meeting your self imposed target to complete 100? WW1 models before Y2k, THEN we slow down your prodigious output to somewhere close to human, finally we infect you with AMS, and wehn you can't finish better than two models a year - you're a full member ;-) Shane ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 17:31:18 EDT From: BEN8800@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: CDL Message-ID: <7ad855a6.249971a6@aol.com> In a message dated 6/16/99 4:10:01 PM Eastern Daylight Time, tomwerner.hansen@c2i.net writes: << Cool Dog Liniment. I once used to have a dog with a skin condition which required putting on a soothing oil. By some "coincidence" I had poured some remaining cellulose dope into a bottle from the drug store that was of the same type that I got the dog oil in. One day my daughter (at the time about 15 and prone to things without thinking) was going to smear the dog with the oil. The bottle of dope was on the shelf. Need I say more. Tom W >> I suspected that most WW 1 enthusiasts were full of crap. Now I am sure of it. Gee, you guys are like shipmodelers. They are full of crap also, and moreso. Ben ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 17:31:23 EDT From: BEN8800@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Jenny WAS: CDL Message-ID: <479bfca7.249971ab@aol.com> In a message dated 6/16/99 2:29:05 PM Eastern Daylight Time, dfernet0@rosario.gov.ar writes: << Now's my turn to ask: The Jenny model will have working controls, don't it? D. >> No. Its bad enough to just get all the controls in the thing "static" without having them work. Jesus, do you have any idea how difficult this model is to design? Even at 1 to 16 scale, everything is small, difficult to make castings which have certain limitations on size. Even I did not realize when I started this project how small a Jenny and its parts were. The damn thing looks big in photos and aerial views but when you get down to it, it's a real dinky airplane. Did you know for example that the hinges for the ailerons are only 1-1/2" long. Thats 3/32" in 1:16 scale. To small to model, so they are faked with flat bar. Jesus, the hinges on my kitchen door are twice as long as that. The model I am designing is about as close as you can get to scale within reason. Certain items are naturally a little bit over scale in order to use available wood and metal parts, and be castable in metal. My objective is to use whatever is available, but yet make it "look scale". I'll give you and example. The ribs of the wings for the model are 1/32" thick plywood. Thats 1/2" in real scale. On the real airplane the ribs are 3/8" thick. The model cap strips are 0.020" thick basswood. Thats about 3/8" full size. On the real aircraft they are 1/4" thick. So you can see what happens. i work with available material that can be purchased by the manufacturer. The two dowel stringers on top and bottom of the wings on the model are 1/32" square basswood (smallest wood) rounded to a dowel. That also is 1/2" diameter full scale. On the actual Jenny, these dowels are 5/16" diameter. Talk about small! Most of the turnbuckles on the model will be a little over scale also. The turnbuckles are britannia castings. About as small as you can get them in production castings is 1/32" in diameter and 1/4" long with cast ends with a 1/32" diameter hole. If you look at a real Jenny you will see that a lot of the turnbuckles are no more than 4" long, body of 1/4" diameter and the holes in the end about 1/4". So, this model at 1:16 scale is what I call being on the verge of being too small to model with exact sizes everywhere. But the scale lends itself to to being well detailed with some over scale parts that still "look" reasonably to scale. I think I am the best ship modeler designer in the world today, and now working on being a great airplane model designer. I feel that I have the knowledge to "bend" the rules without sacrificing to overall scale appearance of a model within reason. Scale is something I feel very strong about, but also realize it is still a model, and you still have to deal with available materials. Scratchbuilding is different from kits. And wood models are different from plastics. All agree? Ben ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 17:31:40 EDT From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: something for the eensy-weensies Message-ID: <203ba736.249971bc@aol.com> In a message dated 99-06-16 16:19:06 EDT, you write: << Why? Planet is a resin maker, right? Do they have the technique to make thin trailing edges? If not, I will definitely stick with the Roseplane vac. >> Injection plastic, and their other kits are pretty good - mostly Luft-46. Tom C ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 07:44:34 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Possible Scratchbuild Subject? Message-ID: <65C968E11318D311B0BD0060B06865CD0410E6@mimhexch.mim.com.au> Dave (Fletcher, maybe we should number them?) says in reply to Paul: > P. Howard wrote: > > "I'm seriously looking into doing a scratchbuilding project in our > mutual era of interest. This may sound kind of strange, but I'm > looking for suggestions." > > Avoid the Eddy Melina Syndrome! Eddy scratchbuilt a 1/48th scale [off > topic] B-17G - then Monogram came out with a kit. He next > built an A-20 in the same scale - now Ertl has three kits... It works just as well with OT subjects :-( > Some idiot is bound to > ask if your thousand-hour pride and joy if it was built OOB. Oh no. What they says is "Is that the Aeroclub or Blue Max kit? It's not very good, is it?" > If I was > going to scratchbuild again, it would be an Airspeed Fleet Shadower, > since no manufacturer in his right mind would ever release one. Look > for something which isn't going to be released as a kit (at least in > your chosen scale) and devote the time and effort necessary > to research > it. You can then not only have a unique model but be the greatest > living expert on the subject and thus shut the critics and/or > judges up. > .....or build it in an odd scale, Alan Clarke builds in 1/36 for example. OR.....my own philosophy....Ignore the fact that a vacform exists or that an injection kit may appear and build whatever you want, in whatever scale you want, to whatever standard you want, just for the sheer pleasure of the process. And if yours is better than the inevitable kits, so much more power to your elbow. Seriously - make a 2 seater. More scope for detailing, less likelihood of a kit appearing, somewhat more challenging, and far less likely to have the same old aces scheme that everyone else is building Shane ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 16:49:54 -0500 From: "Paul Schwartzkopf" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Jenny WAS: CDL Message-ID: >Scale is something I feel very strong about, but >also realize it is still a model, and you still have to deal with available >materials. Scratchbuilding is different from kits. And wood models are >different from plastics. All agree? >Ben 100% in agreement. IMHO the first rule of modeling is to have fun doing it. If you "break the scale rules" so to speak, big deal. Who needs the micrometer gang anyway. I am really looking forward to this kit when you are done, Ben! Paul A. Schwartzkopf ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 17:49:07 EDT From: BEN8800@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Scale Message-ID: <6cbe1209.249975d3@aol.com> My talk about the Scale factors for the Jenny. Thinking about those 1/72 scale WW1 aircraft. Wouldn't the flying and landing wires be 1/1000 or less to be in scale? How many of you get it down to that level? Ben ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 07:53:46 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: something for the eensy-weensies Message-ID: <65C968E11318D311B0BD0060B06865CD0410E7@mimhexch.mim.com.au> Mark, > > Went to Hannants but didn't buy anything. > > This is probably the single most remarkable statement I have read > since joining this list. > Michael is (or was) English, which presupposes a certain eccentricity ...and he prefers 1/72.... ...so I expect he has the "form" to suggest he migh do something seriosuly strange. Shane ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 15:11:06 -0700 From: "Bill Neill" To: Subject: Re: CDL Message-ID: <00a801beb845$faa93540$5430c0d8@bill> CDL seems to get used for clear varnished fabric, regardless as to whether it was actually linen or not. Cotton seems to have been in WW1 use as well, and many early a/c were covered in all kinds of different materials, including paper and silk. Bill Neill > >>> 06/16/1999 12:53:34 PM >>> > You guys and your abbreviations. What the hell is CDL? > > Ben > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 08:16:36 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Scale Message-ID: <65C968E11318D311B0BD0060B06865CD0410E8@mimhexch.mim.com.au> Ben, > My talk about the Scale factors for the Jenny. Thinking about > those 1/72 > scale WW1 aircraft. Wouldn't the flying and landing wires be > 1/1000 or less > to be in scale? How many of you get it down to that level? For the sake of argument, lets assume the wires are 3/16", which is slightly over .. 3/16 x 1/72 = 3/1152 == 2.6 thou That's still thicker than the monofilament I use - maybe I need to make *thicker* rigging, not thinner Shane ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 17:20:01 -0500 From: Matthew E Bittner To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: something for the eensy-weensies Message-ID: <19990616.172111.-117643.1.mbittner@juno.com> On Wed, 16 Jun 1999 17:35:43 -0400 (EDT) Albatrosdv@aol.com writes: > Injection plastic, and their other kits are pretty good - mostly > Luft-46. Hmmm...then I may have to find one for comparisons. I still worry about the wing thickness (most injected models are too thick), but the rest may be okay. Still, with how enamoured I am with Roseplane's SPAD 11, it will be a tough sell. Matt Bittner http://www.geocities.com/~ipmsfortcrook http://www.discoveromaha.com/community/groups/plasticmodelers/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 16:30:20 -0700 From: Brent & Tina Theobald To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Possible Scratchbuild Subject? Message-ID: <3768338C.BA544DD6@airmail.net> DAVID BURKE wrote: > 1/48 Ilya! 1/48 Ilya! I would like to second this motion. (My second choice is 1/48 Ca.III) Brent ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 18:49:06 EDT From: BEN8800@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Rigging Message-ID: <74bc3f71.249983e2@aol.com> With airplanes rigging is a little different from ship models because there is not that many different sizes on an aircraft. With ships, scale is also important, but there is not that many different sizes of line available commercially. consequently, the relative size between lines becomes important. For example, the standing rigging sizes on a ship like the stays or shrouds are bigger than the running rigging. So, at least you make one bigger than the other regardless of the actual scale size. Ben ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 18:49:02 EDT From: BEN8800@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Scale Message-ID: In a message dated 6/16/99 6:19:28 PM Eastern Daylight Time, sdw@qld.mim.com.au writes: << For the sake of argument, lets assume the wires are 3/16", which is slightly over .. 3/16 x 1/72 = 3/1152 == 2.6 thou That's still thicker than the monofilament I use - maybe I need to make *thicker* rigging, not thinner >> I was going by the Jenny which has 1/8" diameter rigging, which in 1/72 scale would be 1.7 thousands. Is your mono that thin? Am curious because I have never used monofiliment. However, I have silk at 3 thou and its mighty fine stuff. Can't imagine monofiliment being that small. Ben ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 09:11:58 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Possible Scratchbuild Subject? Message-ID: <65C968E11318D311B0BD0060B06865CD0410E9@mimhexch.mim.com.au> > > 1/48 Ilya! 1/48 Ilya! > > I would like to second this motion. (My second choice is 1/48 Ca.III) > Good idea. He an I can compare notes. (Issota engine much, much easier to scratchbuild than a RR Falcon was BTW) Shane ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 16:11:45 -0700 From: "Mark Shanks" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Scale Message-ID: <199906162316.QAA29798@elvis.fltdyn.com> Okie dokie, smokie, I rigged my Albatross DrI with Airknocker's .004 stainless wire. If we assume a 3/16 wire full scale, in 1/48th, that's .0039. Damn - I'm over scale. Shoot. Mark mshanks@fltdyn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 18:25:08 -0500 From: "Charles and Linda Duckworth" To: "ww1list" Subject: 1/48th 260 hp Mercedes Message-ID: <010501beb84f$7e849d60$985ddfd1@q1p5x0> Does anyone know of a source for a 1/48th 260 hp Mercedes (Aeroclub?) in white metal or resin. If I can locate them, would like to build my AEG GIV with exposed engines. Thanks ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 09:35:01 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Scale Message-ID: <65C968E11318D311B0BD0060B06865CD0410EA@mimhexch.mim.com.au> Ben, > I was going by the Jenny which has 1/8" diameter rigging, > which in 1/72 scale would be 1.7 thousands. That's quite thin. Original rigging wire, or refurbished? > Is your mono that thin? Probably. It's certainly a hell of a lot thinner than 5 thou card - and if you use the clear stuff *appears* thinner still. > Am curious because I have never used monofiliment. However, I > have silk at 3 thou and its mighty fine stuff. Can't imagine monofiliment > being that small. It isn't sold as "Invisible mending thread" for nothing ! ;-) Shane ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 19:35:13 EDT From: BEN8800@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Scales again Message-ID: <37290e66.24998eb1@aol.com> I always like to discuss model scales, as I said I am really critical as I can get with scales. I know what I have to do, but as someone said, the wings of plastic models are often too thick. I would assume this is not a restriction of the injection process but one of the strength of the part on the model. If wings are too thin in plastic they may warp. A similar problem exists with the yards of sailing ships in plastic. Often, the upper yards are molded to scale but when on the model they are so flexible they warp all over the place. I assume the same thoughts go into plastic aircraft by the designers. How scale like are wing struts? They too are a thin item that may flex or warp to much. Ben ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 05:02:55 -0700 From: mgoodwin@ricochet.net To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: 1/48th 260 hp Mercedes Message-ID: <3768E3EF.4A52@ricochet.net> Charles and Linda Duckworth wrote: > > Does anyone know of a source for a 1/48th 260 hp Mercedes (Aeroclub?) in > white metal or resin. If I can locate them, would like to build my AEG GIV > with exposed engines. IIRC, the 260hp Mercedes is very similar visually/dimensionally to the 180hp D.III, the main external differences being the intake manifold/ carburetor and exhaust manifold, and the four rather than two valves per cylinder. The manifolds are very simple tubular shapes and would be very easy to scratch, and new/extra valves are a snap. At a time when I thought I might finish my K&B Gotha, I bought a couple Aeroclub 180hp D.IIIs as standins for the 260hp units. I have good pictures and a drawing of the 260hp if you need them. Riordan ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 10:24:34 +1000 (EST) From: Mick Fauchon To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: RE: Happy Birthday to . . . Message-ID: Shane, > > Just thought I would take this moment to wish Lorna a happy > > birthday . . Or Yeah, happy birthday, Lorna! > And now I know it's Lornas birthday, I promise to buy her a celebratory > glass of red next week in Sydney. Well, if you're doing this on Fridy, have one for me too, will ya? Cheers, Mick. -- -- Mick Fauchon | Internet: ulmjf@dewey.newcastle.edu.au Client Services,IESD, Auchmuty Library| Ph. (intl+61+49) 218622 University of Newcastle, AUSTRALIA | Fax (intl+61+49) 215833 MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM M M M Tasmanian Devil: "#@%!&^*%%...!#@!&**%^@@#$#-+*+*&##@...!!" M M M M Yosemite Sam : "Cut out that Army talk!..Yer in the Navy now!" M M M MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 21:47:17 -0400 From: "David Vosburgh" To: Subject: Ship Modelers WAS Re: CDL Message-ID: <00cf01beb863$6e73aba0$84d690d0@Pvosburg> -----Original Message----- From: BEN8800@aol.com Date: Wednesday, June 16, 1999 5:49 PM Subject: Re: CDL Ben writes: >I suspected that most WW 1 enthusiasts were full of crap. Now I am sure of >it. Gee, you guys are like shipmodelers. They are full of crap also, and >moreso. We sufferers from AMS think we're bad, finishing a project or two a year... some of THOSE guys consider themselves prolific if they finish one every FIVE years... DV (P.S. --- If anyone ever wants to see an amazing testament to the modeller's art, go to the model galleries at Mystic Seaport in CT and check out the ships that people have built throught the centuries. Mensch!) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 19:16:33 -0700 From: Mike Fletcher To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: 1/48th 260 hp Mercedes Message-ID: <37685A81.4F05B5DB@mars.ark.com> NAM's AEG has 180hp Mercs pending the acquisition of the correct types ...or it did when I was last there. mgoodwin@ricochet.net wrote: > > Charles and Linda Duckworth wrote: > > > > Does anyone know of a source for a 1/48th 260 hp Mercedes (Aeroclub?) in > > white metal or resin. If I can locate them, would like to build my AEG GIV > > with exposed engines. > > IIRC, the 260hp Mercedes is very similar visually/dimensionally to the > 180hp D.III, the main external differences being the intake manifold/ > carburetor and exhaust manifold, and the four rather than two valves per > cylinder. The manifolds are very simple tubular shapes and would be > very easy to scratch, and new/extra valves are a snap. At a time when I > thought I might finish my K&B Gotha, I bought a couple Aeroclub 180hp > D.IIIs as standins for the 260hp units. > I have good pictures and a drawing of the 260hp if you need them. > > Riordan -- Mike Fletcher ___ ., mdf@mars.ark.com |-\|^----! ; mikef@sparc.nic.bc.ca |--n--""*" icq=19554083 @ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 21:34:32 -0500 From: "Robert Johnson" To: "wwi@pease1.srund.edu" Subject: Warning!! Danger Will Robinson. Danger!! Message-ID: <006701beb869$ef52a400$05f99ed0@robjohn.swdata.com> This may be old news, but it is new to me. There is an error in the instructions for the 1/48 DML E-V/D-VIII. In the cockpit the instructions have you run the rudder control cables threw a V-shaped control horn (part MA-10) that is mounted to the shaft molded in the floor (part A-10). This is incorrect as the control horn is for the aileron cables not the rudder controls. This is the way I am reading the photos in the Winsock Datafile. If this is incorrect let me know. Also, if this is so should I rig the aileron cables prior to assemble of the fuselage and leave extra to go to the wing? Or, would it be better and wait till I do the final rigging? rob johnson ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 1648 **********************