WWI Digest 1647 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Windsock Datafiles by "Bob Pearson" 2) Re: this year's datafiles by Mike Fletcher 3) Re: Possible Scratchbuild Subject? by "Sandy Adam" 4) Re: Possible Scratchbuild Subject? by Ernest Thomas 5) Re: Possible Scratchbuild Subject? by John & Allison Cyganowski 6) Cyg is out. by John & Allison Cyganowski 7) Re: The Search for TRANSLUSENCE by "Robert M. Farrar" 8) Re: RB 2....I am trying to find the answer.... by "Robert M. Farrar" 9) Re: CDL by Dennis Ugulano 10) Re: this year's datafiles by Dennis Ugulano 11) Re: RB 2.... by "Lee J Mensinger" 12) Re: this year's datafiles by Matthew E Bittner 13) Unsubbed by smperry@mindspring.com 14) Re: RB 2.... by Sharon Henderson 15) RE: Vac Technique, bowed undersides by Len Smith 16) Windsock Datafiles by Len Smith 17) Re: Possible Scratchbuild Subject? by David & Carol Fletcher 18) Re: More Squadron/Signal "Fokker Dr.I in Action". by KarrArt@aol.com 19) Re: Windsock Datafiles by "DAVID BURKE" 20) Re: Possible Scratchbuild Subject? by "DAVID BURKE" 21) CDL by BEN8800@aol.com 22) Re: CDL by Matthew Zivich 23) RE: CDL by "Diego Fernetti" 24) Re: CDL by "Paul Schwartzkopf" 25) Jenny Kit Progress by BEN8800@aol.com 26) Re: CDL by "Douglas R. Jones" 27) Re: Possible Scratchbuild Subject? by "Lance Krieg" 28) RE: Possible Scratchbuild Subject? by "Diego Fernetti" 29) Re: CDL by "DAVID BURKE" 30) Nieuport by BEN8800@aol.com 31) Re: CDL by BEN8800@aol.com 32) Re: CDL by "Douglas R. Jones" 33) Jenny WAS: CDL by "Diego Fernetti" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 00:02:52 -0700 From: "Bob Pearson" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Windsock Datafiles Message-ID: <199906160710.AAA22936@mail.rapidnet.net> RAYMOND LAURENCE RIMELL not RIMMELL Sorry. . .. but I also squeeze toothpaste from the bottom, and tp goes over the top !!!!! Bob ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 00:47:02 -0700 From: Mike Fletcher To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: this year's datafiles Message-ID: <37675676.60B62761@mars.ark.com> There was a good series in ww1 aero some time back (4 years approx) about the german props and radiators but I won't have access again for a month or so. I also have some stuff on gun rings and ww1 era bombs, and iirc some artilery shells too - no colours anywhere though. There was also a series covering ww1 instruments in Windsock - they only had a few French ones but lots of A-H and German stuff though. Cockpit shots are hard to find for most types, and I can recall less than a dozen good ones for Nieuports, and fewer still SPADs (ones that were not taken at a museum). I am not surprised there has been cockpits missing from recent datafiles. I know of several types that existed but I cannot find any photographic evidence. I can send zips of various (sometimes unsourced) scans to anyone interested of what I have been able to gather up. Thanks for the votes of confidence - I will write something up beginning shortly after an impending move back to the archives. -- Mike Fletcher ___ ., mdf@mars.ark.com |-\|^----! ; mikef@sparc.nic.bc.ca |--n--""*" icq=19554083 @ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 09:55:54 +0100 From: "Sandy Adam" To: Subject: Re: Possible Scratchbuild Subject? Message-ID: <004a01beb7d6$0cd62e00$27e8b094@sandyada> >I'm hoping for subject ideas with sugestions on where to track down good >reference material. My own interests take me into the lesser known types >such as the FB 12 the Hansa Brandenburg W20, but reference material and Hi Paul - Lone Star Models do vacs of both of these (1/48 of course - but who in their right mind would want anything else?), see- http://www.lonestarmodels.com/lsmair.htm Sandy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 06:40:10 -0500 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Possible Scratchbuild Subject? Message-ID: <37678D1A.48B5@bellsouth.net> P. Howard wrote: > > Fellow list dwellers, > > I'm seriously looking into doing a scratchbuilding project in our mutual > era of interest. This may sound kind of strange, but I'm looking for > suggestions. I've always been keen on Eindeckers. The DF has a goodly anoumt of useful pictures and I would be willing make mine available if you decide to try this one. E. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 09:05:33 -0400 From: John & Allison Cyganowski To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Possible Scratchbuild Subject? Message-ID: <3767A11D.406F@worldnet.att.net> Ernest Thomas wrote: > > P. Howard wrote: > > > > Fellow list dwellers, > > > > I'm seriously looking into doing a scratchbuilding project in our mutual > > era of interest. This may sound kind of strange, but I'm looking for > > suggestions. > Martinsyde Buzzard Bristol Scout Morane A1 Suggestions in no particular order. Good Luck. Cyg ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 09:07:47 -0400 From: John & Allison Cyganowski To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Cyg is out. Message-ID: <3767A1A3.29CC@worldnet.att.net> Leaving for a few days on a trip. Catch up with you all later. Regards, Cyg. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 08:18:07 -0500 From: "Robert M. Farrar" To: "ww1" Subject: Re: The Search for TRANSLUSENCE Message-ID: <003001beb7fa$b8ed0280$f22e88cf@rmf> OK folks, Let's remember that these a/c are of the DINOSAUR age! :-) Many if not most of the wing airfoils were of the UNDERCAMBERED profile. This gives one lots of lift at a relatively low airspeed. The fabric is stitched to the ribs; top and bottom with a continuous lentgth of cord per rib...no mystery here...otherwise the fabric would "balloon" and the a/c would be an instant accident waiting to happen. I have done a lot of of "dope and fabric" on the real thing, and it's really not that big of a deal. The technology is basically the same as it was in 1900 or so. Bob p.s. As far as rib tapes go... I would say that in "real life" they are visible. ....on a model, damned near invisible. Remember...there is such a thing as so-called "scale effect" . Many times it's better to have LESS detail than too much! I personally prefer the overall effect as apposed to every LAST detail. JMUO! Bob Untill the designers and -----Original Message----- From: Shane Weier To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Tuesday, June 15, 1999 8:22 PM Subject: RE: The Search for TRANSLUSENCE >David, > >> I have a further query which I believe was raised in >> connection with Fok >> Dr 1 's too - The undersurface of the wings in many >> photographs seems to >> show the fabric pulled up to the ribs resulting in a concave abnd NOT >> convex profile - Makes sense when the fabric was stitched to the ribs >> top - do my eyes decieve me and is a slight cocavity at the >> undersurface >> rib stations indeed more accurate ? > >Aaaaaaarrrrrggggggghhhhhhhhh! > >Pay attention old bean ;-) > >You are quite right, and the same applies to *all* concave fabric covered >wing surfaces to some degree. Much, much, much discussed here every year >(new people come along so that's good), including, at length, about two >weeks back. > >You must've been frying some deserving solicitor in court that week. > >Shane > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 08:24:06 -0500 From: "Robert M. Farrar" To: "ww1" Subject: Re: RB 2....I am trying to find the answer.... Message-ID: <003b01beb7fb$8b4ce7e0$f22e88cf@rmf> Bill, I had the same problem....couldn't fly an airplane to save my life! If memory serves me right, all you have to do is calibrate the joystick. Right-click during a mission, and choose "calibrate". The a/c still tend to turn opposite prop rotation, only not nearly as before. Bob -----Original Message----- From: Bill Neill To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Tuesday, June 15, 1999 10:08 PM Subject: Re: RB 1/was Windsock Datafiles >,I got this, but all a/c turn strongy to the right and hardly at all to the >left. I thought originally this was rotary engine stuff, but inline (SE5) >does it as well. Is this peculiar to the game, or is there something wrong >with my setup? >Bill Neill > > >> When all else fails, I go and play RB II. I get to find out, >> overall, how poorly these a/c truly performed. But there's >> > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 10:32:03 -0400 From: Dennis Ugulano To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Re: CDL Message-ID: <199906161032_MC2-79A1-73C0@compuserve.com> >> > DAVID BURKE wrote: > > > What's a good color approximation for CDL? << I have used Floquil Depot Buff toned down to taste with white. But lately I have custom mixed my CDL in gloss enamel so I don't have to gloss coat prior to applying decals. Dennis Ugulano email: Uggies@compuserve.com http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/uggies Page Revised 3/26/99 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 10:32:05 -0400 From: Dennis Ugulano To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Re: this year's datafiles Message-ID: <199906161032_MC2-79A1-73C1@compuserve.com> Matt, One AGO it is. My camera is in the shop for cleaning but should be out shortly. This weekend I will get the model from Hobbytown and take some better photos. I must get my page updated. Wednesday I start a HTML class and Saturday I will do a one day scanning class. See what you guys have done to me. And wait til you see the Oeffag C.II engine. Can't believe what I did to it. I never did this stuff until I met you guys. Ruined! That's what I am. Ruined! I used to go along happy thinking I was doing a good job and then I join up here. Now I add things you can't see because I know it's there. I knew it was there before but I didn't care. Now I care and it's all because of you guys. All I can say is THANKS! Some models arrived today from across the pond. Two TOKO's, the comic and the French single seat bomber and Pegasus Albatros C.III. Lovely kits, all. Now if I give up sleep, work and.......I may be able to build them all really soon. In the words of Charlie Brown Aaaaarrrrgggghhhhhhh!!!!!!!! Dennis Ugulano email: Uggies@compuserve.com http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/uggies Page Revised 3/26/99 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 09:47:20 -0500 From: "Lee J Mensinger" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: RB 2.... Message-ID: <3767B8F8.5B3ADD16@wireweb.net> Don't know why a WW I Rotary engine plane would turn sharp right!!! Since the plane should rotate easiest in a direction opposite the prop rotation it should turn rapidly to the left, from the pilots point of view and mine as well. What's up with the flight sim.. You have a wire crossed over on the Joystick input. It is reversed. I think. Lee "Robert M. Farrar" wrote: > Bill, > I had the same problem....couldn't > fly an airplane to save my life! > If memory serves me right, all > you have to do is calibrate the joystick. > Right-click during a mission, and > choose "calibrate". The a/c still > tend to turn opposite prop rotation, > only not nearly as before. > Bob > -----Original Message----- > From: Bill Neill > To: Multiple recipients of list > Date: Tuesday, June 15, 1999 10:08 PM > Subject: Re: RB 1/was Windsock Datafiles > > >,I got this, but all a/c turn strongy to the right and hardly at all to the > >left. I thought originally this was rotary engine stuff, but inline (SE5) > >does it as well. Is this peculiar to the game, or is there something wrong > >with my setup? > >Bill Neill > > > > > >> When all else fails, I go and play RB II. I get to find out, > >> overall, how poorly these a/c truly performed. But there's > >> > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 09:45:32 -0500 From: Matthew E Bittner To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: this year's datafiles Message-ID: <19990616.094544.-70459.3.mbittner@juno.com> On Wed, 16 Jun 1999 10:34:29 -0400 (EDT) Dennis Ugulano writes: > One AGO it is. My camera is in the shop for cleaning but > should be > out shortly. This weekend I will get the model from Hobbytown and > take > some better photos. I must get my page updated. Definitely can't wait to see it! Hurry up! :-) > Wednesday I start a HTML class and Saturday I will do a one > day > scanning class. See what you guys have done to me. And wait til > you see > the Oeffag C.II engine. Can't believe what I did to it. I never > did this > stuff until I met you guys. Ruined! That's what I am. Ruined! I > used to > go along happy thinking I was doing a good job and then I join up > here. > Now I add things you can't see because I know it's there. I knew it > was > there before but I didn't care. Now I care and it's all because of > you > guys. All I can say is THANKS! I feel the same way. While I also have a "local" influence with Steve Hustad relatively close by, the list has "ruined" me, as well. :-) > Some models arrived today from across the pond. Two TOKO's, > the > comic and the French single seat bomber and Pegasus Albatros C.III. > Lovely > kits, all. Now if I give up sleep, work and.......I may be able to > build > them all really soon. In the words of Charlie Brown > Aaaaarrrrgggghhhhhhh!!!!!!!! I too received the single seat bomber (thanks again, you-know-who!). I really like the Egyptian snake scheme, and unfortunately this will be built out of the box (with p/e additions, of course ;-)). Unfortunately because as a rule I don't build kits with out of the box schemes. There are way too many more interesing schemes (like the SOP 287 Strutter) to be worrying about finishing kits out of the box. ;-) Matt Bittner http://www.geocities.com/~ipmsfortcrook http://www.discoveromaha.com/community/groups/plasticmodelers/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 12:43:17 -0400 From: smperry@mindspring.com To: Subject: Unsubbed Message-ID: <003701beb817$565dd0a0$9d2845cf@smp> I seem to have become unsubscribed for a while. First time that has happened. Still finishing engine details on the I'lya sp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 13:08:43 -0500 From: Sharon Henderson To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: RB 2.... Message-ID: Hi gents, Actually, the rotary engine tail-draggers had/have a strong rightwise pull because of the torque of the engine. In my experience, it is entirely correct for them to pull right and be a b*tch to stick left; The Fokker Tripe and the Sopwith Camel were both notorious for this, though Camel pilots tended to advertise that their mounts could stick left as easily as they stick'ed right. It was said the Camel could "turn on a sixpence" -- a very small space, for those of you too young (!) :-) to remember the sixpence.... And the Fokker tripe had the "amusing" habit of being able to reverse direction at speed within (supposedly) the length plus half of its own fuselage length. (Which would be 13.5 feet for the non-metrics in the studio audience. .. the Tripe's fuselage was 9 feet long.) Rather a short distance, in this student pilot's nerve-wracked view.... :-) Never having tried it -- and not bloody likely to, either! -- in a taildragger, I'd have to say it's either a slight exaggeration or pilot bluster. :-) Whew, 120 mph and all that tonnage, whipping right in 1-1/2 times its own length. Can you *hear* the strain? Oww.... Anyway, leftwise is supposedly the problematic direction for the rotaries. Why RB2 also has the inline-engine craft behave so, I dunno.... maybe lack of understanding? I'm not as up on SEs as I should be, so maybe someone else knows more better? :-) Cheers, Sharon At Wednesday, 16 June 1999, "Lee J Mensinger" wrote: >Don't know why a WW I Rotary engine plane would turn sharp right!!! Since the >plane should rotate easiest in a direction opposite the prop rotation it should >turn rapidly to the left, from the pilots point of view and mine as well. >What's up with the flight sim.. You have a wire crossed over on the Joystick >input. It is reversed. I think. Lee > >"Robert M. Farrar" wrote: > >> Bill, >> I had the same problem....couldn't >> fly an airplane to save my life! >> If memory serves me right, all >> you have to do is calibrate the joystick. >> Right-click during a mission, and >> choose "calibrate". The a/c still >> tend to turn opposite prop rotation, >> only not nearly as before. >> Bob >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Bill Neill >> To: Multiple recipients of list >> Date: Tuesday, June 15, 1999 10:08 PM >> Subject: Re: RB 1/was Windsock Datafiles >> >> >,I got this, but all a/c turn strongy to the right and hardly at all to the >> >left. I thought originally this was rotary engine stuff, but inline (SE5) >> >does it as well. Is this peculiar to the game, or is there something wrong >> >with my setup? >> >Bill Neill >> > >> > >> >> When all else fails, I go and play RB II. I get to find out, >> >> overall, how poorly these a/c truly performed. But there's >> >> >> > >> > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jun 99 09:39:15 GMT From: Len Smith To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: RE: Vac Technique, bowed undersides Message-ID: <990616093915.n0001803.lensmith@mail.clara.net> on 15 Jun 99, wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu wrote... > >> > Try little triangular braces on the inside corner. >> >> Gussets. > >Gesundheit ! > >Shane > >Bless you! Len > Len Smith http://home.clara.net/lensmith ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jun 99 08:23:06 GMT From: Len Smith To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Windsock Datafiles Message-ID: <990616082306.n0001801.lensmith@mail.clara.net> Gentlemen, There has been a long and earnest (sorry E) discussion on the above subject. BUT only on half of the subject! Don't any of you subscribe to Windsock International, THE magazine? I only began subscribing in June1993, volume 9 issue 3,although I have since managed to go back to 5/1 Spring 1989 by various purchases. In that time 46 (fortysix!) articles have been published covering Allied aircraft ( I am not interested in German/AH) complete with plans and photographs. Apart from the British we have had Italian, (Ansaldo Baby, Caproni Ca3 and Ca20, and Pomilio Gamma 1F) Russian, (Anatra DS, Grigorvitch M5 and IM of course) Belgian, (Hanriot HD1 and 2,and Ponnier L1) American, (LePere LUSAC -11) and French (Caudron GIV, De Bruyere C1, Farman MF11, Morane Saulnier AC, AI, G, and P, Nieuport Triplane, 11 and 16, AR1A2, AR2A2, Spad A2/A4,S12 and S22). Not all of these have been by Jack Bruce, several others have contributed. So if you have sufficient material for an article, but not enough for a Datafile, get in touch with RLR and see what happens. As a matter of interest, sometimes it is not a shortage of information that prevents publication, but TOO MUCH! When RLR reviewed the AJP kit of the Caudron GIV he said that the Kit appeared to be based on a 1964 drawing from Cross and Cockade which were an amalgamation of "a huge pile of data- including five sets of plans and seven sets of specifications- no two of which agreed" In his catalogue 'The Ultimate Collection' he lists forthcoming Datafiles, including many of the types listed above, plus some relatively unknown types such as Curtiss JN4(two volumes), Standard E1 and Thomas Morse S4, and Specials on Airco DH4 and 9A, and the Breguet 14. At 6 Datafiles per year don't hold your breath! Apologies for the long message, just trying to get the facts straight. Happy Modelling! Len. Len Smith http://home.clara.net/lensmith ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 09:35:58 -0700 From: David & Carol Fletcher To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Possible Scratchbuild Subject? Message-ID: <3767D26E.17E1@mars.ark.com> P. Howard wrote: "I'm seriously looking into doing a scratchbuilding project in our mutual era of interest. This may sound kind of strange, but I'm looking for suggestions." Avoid the Eddy Melina Syndrome! Eddy scratchbuilt a 1/48th scale [off topic] B-17G - then Monogram came out with a kit. He next built an A-20 in the same scale - now Ertl has three kits... Some idiot is bound to ask if your thousand-hour pride and joy if it was built OOB. If I was going to scratchbuild again, it would be an Airspeed Fleet Shadower, since no manufacturer in his right mind would ever release one. Look for something which isn't going to be released as a kit (at least in your chosen scale) and devote the time and effort necessary to research it. You can then not only have a unique model but be the greatest living expert on the subject and thus shut the critics and/or judges up. That's my two cents Canadian (1.5 cents U.S.) worth. Dave Fletcher ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 13:48:55 EDT From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: More Squadron/Signal "Fokker Dr.I in Action". Message-ID: <6ef0750b.24993d87@aol.com> In a message dated 6/15/99 11:22:12 PM Pacific Daylight Time, bshatzer@orednet.org writes: << But, ya' gotta wonder how the Squadron/Signal publication can get a detail like on which Jasta's flight line the aircraft is parked correct and completely misidentify the aircraft itself. >> I hate to knock a dead guy, but as much of a pioneer as Nowarra was when it came to photo collecting and gathering information, he sure could screw things up. Whenever I come across one of his works, I'll get it if it's full of pictures I haven't seen before, but I tend to disregard alot of what he might have to say about the pictures unless I have some corroboration from other sources. I don't know how Squadron does these things, but I would guess they take what's submitted for an In Action title, assume it's correct, and print it. Robert K. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 12:47:29 -0500 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: Windsock Datafiles Message-ID: <001401beb820$697b38e0$4ff610d1@dora9sprynet.com> So How to subscribe to Windsock (the magazine)? Dave B. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 12:49:17 -0500 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: Possible Scratchbuild Subject? Message-ID: <001901beb820$8fb7bc40$4ff610d1@dora9sprynet.com> 1/48 Ilya! 1/48 Ilya! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 13:51:25 EDT From: BEN8800@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: CDL Message-ID: You guys and your abbreviations. What the hell is CDL? Ben ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 14:03:46 -0400 (EDT) From: Matthew Zivich To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: CDL Message-ID: On Wed, 16 Jun 1999 BEN8800@aol.com wrote: > You guys and your abbreviations. What the hell is CDL? > > Ben > I always thought it was "Crinoline, Doily & Lace". ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 15:03:22 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: Subject: RE: CDL Message-ID: <001001beb759$5be8ac20$4640a8c0@prens-001.ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> CDL stands for Clear Doped Linen. D. -----Mensaje original----- De: BEN8800@aol.com Para: Multiple recipients of list Fecha: Miércoles, 16 de Junio de 1999 03:03 p.m. Asunto: CDL >You guys and your abbreviations. What the hell is CDL? > >Ben > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 13:03:57 -0500 From: "Paul Schwartzkopf" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: CDL Message-ID: CDL = Clear doped linen. Paul A. Schwartzkopf >>> 06/16/1999 12:53:34 PM >>> You guys and your abbreviations. What the hell is CDL? Ben ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 14:06:02 EDT From: BEN8800@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Jenny Kit Progress Message-ID: <9301cc6f.2499418a@aol.com> If you are interested, I have completed the plans, instructions, and parts list for the wings, tail surfaces, landing gear, and tail skid. I will soon be starting on the basic fuselage. Following the fuselage, the cockpit controls, engine and engine controls and piping, and rigging will be done. There are 6 plan sheets in all and the instruction manual with sketches and photos will be about 50 to 60 pages long. The kit will contain laser cut wood parts, britannia castings, photoetched copper parts, and all the wood strips and metal rods to complete the model. I think its really going to be a nice kit. I am looking forward to building it myself. Anyone interesting in building the prototype kit for Model Expo for box art and instruction photos? If so, contact President Marc Mosko at Model Expo. He does not like to pay much but is reasonable. The big thing is timing. The job must be done in a hurry. Otherwise there is too much time lost between design and production. I would say 3 or 4 month max. Ben ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 13:09:26 -0500 From: "Douglas R. Jones" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: CDL Message-ID: <199906161810.NAA10549@deimos.iex.com> At 01:53 PM 6/16/99 -0400, you wrote: >You guys and your abbreviations. What the hell is CDL? Clear Doped Linen. ---------------------------------------------------------- 'I am a traveler of |   Douglas R. Jones    both Time and Space' |   IEX Corporation         Led Zeppelin |   (972)301-1307 voice |   (800)545-2463 pager |   djones@iex.com email ---------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 13:10:11 -0500 From: "Lance Krieg" To: Subject: Re: Possible Scratchbuild Subject? Message-ID: Dave is absolutely right. The more complex the scratchbuilt project, the greater the chance of seeing it come out as a kit as soon as you finish. Better go for the Zepplin Staaken in 1/16 scale. Lance Krieg (515) 242-4525 ULK@Amerus.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 15:13:21 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: Subject: RE: Possible Scratchbuild Subject? Message-ID: <001d01beb75a$c0e31600$4640a8c0@prens-001.ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> For the first scratchbuilt project I would do a pre war airplane: simple airfoil section, plenty of wood details, a cockpit that's not too cramped and beautiful and complex rigging. There's little chance to be released as a kit (as Dave F. pointed) and enough info could be obtained on some of this early "birds", some classics as the wright flyers or other monstruous (hey! a new word with ous!). If you're considering getting into vac-forming, a Morane monoplane racer should be, definitively! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 13:10:43 -0500 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: CDL Message-ID: <000801beb823$90ffc540$4ff610d1@dora9sprynet.com> Clear-Doped Linen DB Dave Burke -----Original Message----- From: BEN8800@aol.com To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Wednesday, June 16, 1999 12:54 PM Subject: CDL >You guys and your abbreviations. What the hell is CDL? > >Ben ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 14:13:21 EDT From: BEN8800@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Nieuport Message-ID: <32a94d4.24994341@aol.com> Also regarding building prototype models for Model Expo, the Nieuport 28 is also up for grabs. I don't think Marc has anyone in mind at the moment. One of his ex-employees built the Albatros and did a pretty good job, but I don't know if Marc is willing to go back to him or not. Anyway, as I said, if interested contact Marc Mosko at Model Expo. You can E-mail him at MMOSKO@aol.com I personally don't build prototype models, ships or aircraft. Don't have the time to design and build. Also, the prototype builder is a check on my designs. Ben ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 14:19:50 EDT From: BEN8800@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: CDL Message-ID: <1ce82f3a.249944c6@aol.com> In a message dated 6/16/99 2:06:06 PM Eastern Daylight Time, dfernet0@rosario.gov.ar writes: << CDL stands for Clear Doped Linen. >> Thanks. Gee, one of these days I will know what you are talking about. Talking about dope, ever heard of Randolph dope. They sell the stuff around her for real airplanes, but I used to buy it for model airplanes also. I used a lot of silk and dope on model sailplanes until that plastic shrink stuff came along. Ben. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 13:25:29 -0500 From: "Douglas R. Jones" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: CDL Message-ID: <199906161826.NAA11624@deimos.iex.com> At 02:20 PM 6/16/99 -0400, you wrote: >Talking about dope, ever heard of Randolph dope. They sell the stuff around >her for real airplanes, but I used to buy it for model airplanes also. I used >a lot of silk and dope on model sailplanes until that plastic shrink stuff >came along. Yes I have. It is currently being repackaged for the modeling folks. Just wish I could remember who is doing the repackaging? Darn my memory! Check with the folks over on the FF or Small R/C lists. They will know. Doug ---------------------------------------------------------- 'I am a traveler of |   Douglas R. Jones    both Time and Space' |   IEX Corporation         Led Zeppelin |   (972)301-1307 voice |   (800)545-2463 pager |   djones@iex.com email ---------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 15:26:30 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: Subject: Jenny WAS: CDL Message-ID: <004801beb75c$9744df20$4640a8c0@prens-001.ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Ben, Now's my turn to ask: The Jenny model will have working controls, don't it? D. Was I the first listee to answer on CDL? I won a prize? I won a trip to Rhinebeck for two? -----Mensaje original----- De: BEN8800@aol.com Para: Multiple recipients of list Fecha: Miércoles, 16 de Junio de 1999 03:31 p.m. Asunto: Re: CDL >In a message dated 6/16/99 2:06:06 PM Eastern Daylight Time, >dfernet0@rosario.gov.ar writes: > ><< CDL stands for Clear Doped Linen. >> >Thanks. Gee, one of these days I will know what you are talking about. > >Talking about dope, ever heard of Randolph dope. They sell the stuff around >her for real airplanes, but I used to buy it for model airplanes also. I used >a lot of silk and dope on model sailplanes until that plastic shrink stuff >came along. > >Ben. > ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 1647 **********************