WWI Digest 1621 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Ground Cover by BEN8800@aol.com 2) Fuselage Bands by "Mark L. Shannon" 3) Re: Dekno Hucks Starter by "Bill Neill" 4) Re: OEFFAG versus OAW/ was: Eduards 1/48 Albatros D.III OAW by John & Allison Cyganowski 5) Re: OEFFAG versus OAW/ was: Eduards 1/48 Albatros D.III OAW by Albatrosdv@aol.com 6) Re: Fuselage Bands by Albatrosdv@aol.com 7) Re: Fuselage Bands by "Mark L. Shannon" 8) Re: Tents WAS: Ground Cover by Len Smith 9) Re: Jenny Engine Functions by "Paul Schwartzkopf" 10) Re: OEFFAG versus OAW/ was: Eduards 1/48 Albatros D.III OAW by Matthew Zivich 11) Re: OEFFAG versus OAW/ was: Eduards 1/48 Albatros D.III OAW by "Bob Pearson" 12) Windsock 15-3 arrived by knut.erik.hagen@eunet.no (Knut Erik Hagen) 13) Re: Tents WAS: Ground Cover by "Bill Neill" 14) Re: Windsock 15-3 arrived by "cameron rile" 15) Re: Windsock 15-3 arrived by mkendix 16) Re: OEFFAG versus OAW/ was: Eduards 1/48 Albatros D.III OAW by Albatrosdv@aol.com 17) 55 Squadron by Len Smith 18) Re: Post-War French Strutter by Mike Fletcher 19) Ehmar MkIV Tank (1/72) by Pedro e Francisca Soares 20) RE: Windsock 15-3 arrived by "John C Glaser" 21) Re: Windsock 15-3 arrived by knut.erik.hagen@eunet.no (Knut Erik Hagen) 22) RE: OEFFAG versus OAW/ was: Eduards 1/48 Albatros D.III OAW by Shane Weier 23) Re: decal printing (was Re: Aeromaster) by bucky@ptdprolog.net 24) Re: Fuselage Bands by Ernest Thomas 25) Re: Caudron G.III by bucky@ptdprolog.net 26) Re: Fuselage Bands by Albatrosdv@aol.com 27) Re: Fuselage Bands by "Charles and Linda Duckworth" 28) Re: Windsock 15-3 arrived by KarrArt@aol.com 29) Re: Windsock 15-3 arrived by KarrArt@aol.com 30) Re: OEFFAG versus OAW/ was: Eduards 1/48 Albatros D.III OAW by bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) 31) Re: Windsock 15-3 arrived by Albatrosdv@aol.com 32) Re: OEFFAG versus OAW/ was: Eduards 1/48 Albatros D.III OAW by Albatrosdv@aol.com 33) Re: Fuselage Bands by Ernest Thomas 34) Re: Windsock 15-3 arrived by Ernest Thomas 35) Re: Ground Cover by Ernest Thomas 36) Re: OEFFAG versus OAW/ was: Eduards 1/48 Albatros D.III OAW by bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) 37) Re: Ground Cover by "Robert Johnson" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1999 11:08:02 EDT From: BEN8800@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Ground Cover Message-ID: <18c56700.248945d2@aol.com> Durham's Water Putty is a great product for grounds. Mixes easy with water, and dries rock hard. You can find it in most hardware stores. Ben ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1999 10:45:18 -0500 From: "Mark L. Shannon" To: Subject: Fuselage Bands Message-ID: <199906041544.KAA20529@dfw-ix7.ix.netcom.com> I've been trying to find a good way to do these for years, still can't seem to get a good, simple way. Does anyone have good tips on cutting masks and decals for fuselage bands on tapering fuselages? If it were a simple cone shape, that would be one thing, but the shape for doing the Albatros D.III for either a vertically oriented or chevron stripe is a tricky one, and then when you get shapes with headrests, etc, it really gets to be a pain. I have been taping the outlines with thin strips so I can keep the wrinkles out, then filling out or in from there, but I'd like to be able to cut a single large decal like those provided in kits. How do you translate info like the station profiles or the model fuselage into the right amount of curvature to allow for a non-wrinkled boundary? .Mark. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1999 08:54:38 -0700 From: "Bill Neill" To: Subject: Re: Dekno Hucks Starter Message-ID: <009a01beaea2$e098d540$5c30c0d8@bill> I got some photos of the Hucks at Old Warden, if anyone needs scans, drop me a word off list Bill Neill ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Jun 1999 12:14:20 -0400 From: John & Allison Cyganowski To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: OEFFAG versus OAW/ was: Eduards 1/48 Albatros D.III OAW Message-ID: <3757FB5C.1146@worldnet.att.net> To expand on Matthew's reply: OAW stands for Ost Deutche Albatros Werke or somthing very similar, ;-) meaning East German Albatros Company. It is thought of as a subsidiary to Albatros. They made a portion of the Albatros run and design innovations seemed to show up in their ships first: Teeves & Braun Radiator, Large area vertical stabilizer. The D.V used this stabilizer (except for the prototype), and it was a unique feature to OAW D.IIIs. Oeffag was the AH Albatros manufacturer. Their aircraft did not seem to suffer the structural problems of their German counterparts, or it wasn't reported. The engines were supposedly better (a 225 hp on the 253 series). The armament (Schwarzlose - try saying that with a mouthful of crackers!) supposedly were not as good as the Spandau. 500-600 were built compared to the gazillions built by the Germans. Makes we wonder about the workmanship factor. Cyg. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1999 12:31:42 EDT From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: OEFFAG versus OAW/ was: Eduards 1/48 Albatros D.III OAW Message-ID: <3a5f48ec.2489596e@aol.com> In a message dated 99-06-04 09:47:49 EDT, you write: << OEW is - I think - the eastern Germany equivalent of Albatros. >> No. Ostdeutsche Albatros Werke - OAW. Tom C ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1999 12:33:20 EDT From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Fuselage Bands Message-ID: <88a10b28.248959d0@aol.com> In a message dated 99-06-04 11:45:40 EDT, you write: << I have been taping the outlines with thin strips so I can keep the wrinkles out, then filling out or in from there, but I'd like to be able to cut a single large decal like those provided in kits. >> Take a piece of typing paper, wrap it around the area you want to stripe, draw the shape, cut it, test-fit, then use that to draw the outline on the sheet of decal paper. HTH Tom C ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1999 12:44:35 -0500 From: "Mark L. Shannon" To: Subject: Re: Fuselage Bands Message-ID: <199906041744.MAA23894@dfw-ix2.ix.netcom.com> That's what I was afraid of, I'm afraid that sounds a bit like one of the "take a chunk of marble, carve away anything that doesn't look like an elephant" methods, but it's the best I've come up with, too.... .Mark. ---------- > Take a piece of typing paper, wrap it around the area you want to stripe, > draw the shape, cut it, test-fit, then use that to draw the outline on the > sheet of decal paper. > > HTH > > Tom C ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Jun 99 18:47:50 GMT From: Len Smith To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Tents WAS: Ground Cover Message-ID: <990604184750.n0000916.lensmith@mail.clara.net> on 04 Jun 99, wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu wrote... >>> Have anyone attempted to model one of those hangar "tents" behind the >>> airplane? > >>It's on my list of things to do. Should be pretty easy. I just don't >>know exactly what they look like. How about you? Got any good >>references? >>E. > >One of the volumes of the now out-of-print Aircraft Archives series has some photos and line drawings of the allied hangar--can't remember the name of it. > >Paul A. Schwartzkopf Bessonneau Type H Canvas Hangar. It was in Volume 3 of the WW1 set, but a better set, still by Ian Stair, was in Windsock Vol.11 No.1 Jan/Feb 1995. Can provide photocopy if required. Happy modelling! Len. Len Smith http://home.clara.net/lensmith ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Jun 1999 13:06:01 -0500 From: "Paul Schwartzkopf" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Jenny Engine Functions Message-ID: The one photo I have shows the starboard side of an OX5 engine mounted in the fuselage. Unfortunately, it does not clearly show where the 2 top hoses are attached to the enginge block. Unless you could look at a real example, I would say just go with your instincts on this. Paul A. Schwartzkopf ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1999 14:11:42 -0400 (EDT) From: Matthew Zivich To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: OEFFAG versus OAW/ was: Eduards 1/48 Albatros D.III OAW Message-ID: Didn't OAW also make a version of the Fok. D-VII? Whereas Oeffag only made their own quite distinct version of the Alb. D-III. Were their any other noticeable differences in the subsequent OAW Alb.D-V's, etc. versus those manufactured by the other German firm? Matt Z. On Fri, 4 Jun 1999 Albatrosdv@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 99-06-04 09:47:49 EDT, you write: > > << OEW is - I think - the eastern > Germany equivalent of Albatros. >> > > No. Ostdeutsche Albatros Werke - OAW. > > Tom C > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Jun 1999 11:17:28 -0700 From: "Bob Pearson" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: OEFFAG versus OAW/ was: Eduards 1/48 Albatros D.III OAW Message-ID: <199906041824.LAA25724@mail.rapidnet.net> MZ writes . .. >Didn't OAW also make a version of the Fok. D-VII? Whereas Oeffag only >made their own quite distinct version of the Alb. D-III. Were their any >other noticeable differences in the subsequent OAW Alb.D-V's, etc. versus >those manufactured by the other German firm? Yup, in fact OAW built more D.VIIs then Fokker .... Bob ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1999 20:22:33 +0200 (CEST) From: knut.erik.hagen@eunet.no (Knut Erik Hagen) To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Windsock 15-3 arrived Message-ID: <199906041822.UAA12998@login-2.eunet.no> Folks, The May/June Windsock arrived today, in my opinion an average+ issue: Presentation of Tony Worralls 1/72 models. Discussing lozenge fabric held by the Pensacola NMNA. John Alcorn scratchbuilding an 1/24 DH9A in 6400hours over nine years - awsome. Joel Christy scratchbuilding an 1/72 FK.3 "Little Ack" Archive with captured Gotha and Turkish D.IIIa photos Photos and drawings of the Wibault Wib.1 C.1 Flandre A study on German "Sky" camouflage previously printed in "The 1914-18 Journal 1998" The usual reviews, including TC Models 1/48 40 Foot Coast Motor Torpedo Boat, VLE 1/72 DFW Mars and Fokker Spinne. New kits to be reviewed in later issue: TC Models 1/48 Gotha G.IV, Choroszy Fdh G.III family(1/72), Eduard Nie 17, Hanriot and OAW D.III. Eders Knut Erik ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1999 11:34:08 -0700 From: "Bill Neill" To: Subject: Re: Tents WAS: Ground Cover Message-ID: <002501beaeb8$e983d860$3f15c0d8@bill> There was a 72 vacform around a few years ago, forget who by... Bill Neill > > Bessonneau Type H Canvas Hangar. It was in Volume 3 of the WW1 set, but a > better set, still by Ian Stair, was in Windsock Vol.11 No.1 Jan/Feb 1995. Can > provide photocopy if required. > > Happy modelling! Len. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1999 15:00:22 -0300 From: "cameron rile" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Windsock 15-3 arrived Message-ID: <199906041158095@cameron.prontomail.com> >Archive with captured Gotha and Turkish D.IIIa photos Are the DIIIa photos of Turkish marked aircraft or German marked aircraft in the Palestinian Theatre? cam Australian Flying Corps page at : http://members.xoom.com/PointCook/index.htm ______________________________________________________________ Get Your Free E-mail and Homepage at http://www.prontomail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1999 15:18:40 -0400 (EDT) From: mkendix To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Windsock 15-3 arrived Message-ID: On Fri, 4 Jun 1999, Knut Erik Hagen wrote: > VLE 1/72 DFW Mars and Fokker Spinne. Can anyone give me an idea of how the review of the above went. Has anyone built these? I have the kits. Michael mkendix@worthen.ihcrp.georgetown.edu ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1999 15:25:23 EDT From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: OEFFAG versus OAW/ was: Eduards 1/48 Albatros D.III OAW Message-ID: In a message dated 99-06-04 14:13:08 EDT, you write: << Didn't OAW also make a version of the Fok. D-VII? >> Yes, and as with the D.III from OAW being the best German D.III, the same was true of the D.VII, the Fokker factory not being down to its usual standards with factory-built D.VIIs, but nowhere close to OAW. Tom C ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Jun 99 20:54:50 GMT From: Len Smith To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: 55 Squadron Message-ID: <990604205450.n0000935.lensmith@mail.clara.net> Help wanted. Can anyone provide markings and/or serial numbers for Avro 504 (K?) and BE2c aircraft of this Squadron? Happy Modelling, Len. Len Smith http://home.clara.net/lensmith ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Jun 1999 14:06:46 -0700 From: Mike Fletcher To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Post-War French Strutter Message-ID: <37583FE6.B4DF0A50@mars.ark.com> There was a series of articles in La Fanatique le L'aviation some time ago. There are some pictures of 1 1/2 strutters, plus some nieuports used for early shipboard trials. It later got into Potez and a multitude of other types. -- Mike Fletcher ___ ., mdf@mars.ark.com |-\|^----! ; mikef@sparc.nic.bc.ca |--n--""*" icq=19554083 @ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Jun 1999 22:07:07 +0100 From: Pedro e Francisca Soares To: WW1 modeling list Subject: Ehmar MkIV Tank (1/72) Message-ID: <37583FFB.390AF62E@mail.telepac.pt> Gang, Has any of you put this one together? I am building one to relax from the rigging on my Camel (the wings are in place and fully rigged now) and have already assembled all the parts except the protective "rails" that run from the front of the tank to the rear and are made up of 3 parts each. I can't find a place to glue the smaller sections and the instructions are less than unclear. Any ideas as to how to put these things in their rightfull places? TIA Pedro nb: Colourful Camel and exhasperating "male" MkIV Tank nu: Probably another Sopwith (Strutter or Salamander) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1999 17:35:31 -0500 From: "John C Glaser" To: Subject: RE: Windsock 15-3 arrived Message-ID: Hey! Robert K! There's the Fokker "S" word again. Cut to shot of RK screaming towards the exits........ -----Original Message----- From: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu [mailto:wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu]On Behalf Of mkendix Sent: Friday, June 04, 1999 2:27 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Windsock 15-3 arrived On Fri, 4 Jun 1999, Knut Erik Hagen wrote: > VLE 1/72 DFW Mars and Fokker Spinne. Can anyone give me an idea of how the review of the above went. Has anyone built these? I have the kits. Michael mkendix@worthen.ihcrp.georgetown.edu ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Jun 1999 00:45:20 +0200 (CEST) From: knut.erik.hagen@eunet.no (Knut Erik Hagen) To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Windsock 15-3 arrived Message-ID: <199906042245.AAA14116@login-2.eunet.no> >>Archive with captured Gotha and Turkish D.IIIa photos > >Are the DIIIa photos of Turkish marked aircraft or >German marked aircraft in the Palestinian Theatre? Late "crescent and star" insignia, 1921 - it is only one photo of mediocre quality - but there may not be that many pictures to chose from. Eders Knut Erik ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Jun 1999 10:32:04 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: OEFFAG versus OAW/ was: Eduards 1/48 Albatros D.III OAW Message-ID: <65C968E11318D311B0BD0060B06865CD04104B@mimhexch.mim.com.au> Matt, > Didn't OAW also make a version of the Fok. D-VII? Whereas Oeffag only > made their own quite distinct version of the Alb. D-III. > Were their any > other noticeable differences in the subsequent OAW Alb.D-V's, > etc. versus > those manufactured by the other German firm? The other have answered about the D.VII already, but no-one has mentioned the D.V I don't *think* there's any distinctive feature aside from the serial, but IIRC the bits that are "Albatros Grey-Green" on Albatros machines *may* be brown on OAW machines. Shane ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Jun 1999 20:31:39 -0400 From: bucky@ptdprolog.net To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: decal printing (was Re: Aeromaster) Message-ID: <37586FEB.5BEE1C92@ptdprolog.net> Hmmm....25 years ago when I studied the commercial code...I cheated. Basically what David writes is also true in US....Each state has its own version of the code, but they are all pretty similar. I believe the phrase warranty of suitability for a particular use come to mind. Any reputable dealer/seller will out of good business sense refund or replaace. If not there is a real problem, since it is not financially worth it to threaten to sue sincxe you don't get attorneys fees if you win (general rule). OK, enough legal advice on the Commercial Code, back to something I know something about...criminal law. hth Mike Muth David R.L. Laws wrote: > Cyg > > free legal advice > > In the US Commercial Code you have the same system as we do here > regarding sale of goods - Sale by description - M Basically it goes > this way .... > > If goods are ordered by description as to design, dimension, other > attributes and the like and fail to comply then you have the right to > reject them. If the goods supplied fail to perform eg disintergrating > decals; then they are not fit for the purpose for which they were > supplied > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Jun 1999 19:58:04 -0500 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Fuselage Bands Message-ID: <3758761C.D36@bellsouth.net> Mark L. Shannon wrote: > How do you translate info like the station profiles or the model fuselage > into the right amount of curvature to allow for a non-wrinkled boundary? When I was in screwing up my Voss Eduard D-III, I had to make the black fuselage band that goes just in front of the tail plane. I just cut a straight strip of black Superscale film the right width and a wee bit longer than neccessary. I then applied the stripe with a goodly amount of water, concerning myself with keeping it straight and not worrying about the wrinkles. Once I had it straight, I just let it dry and viola! I had a nice black fuselage band with crisp straight edges. The wrinkles are only visible under the 10x visor. Ymmv, as it may not be so simple with wider bands or light colored bands like white or red or yellow. You could, however, put the decal band down and paint over it to cover any wrinkles or overlaps after the water/setting solution has dried. Good luck. Let us know of your results. E. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Jun 1999 20:59:29 -0400 From: bucky@ptdprolog.net To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Caudron G.III Message-ID: <37587671.FC45D62E@ptdprolog.net> Hmmm. Seems like a few of us have this expensive kit. I bought it a long time ago and it was fairly cheap...$75, I think. I keep putting off making it "until my skills get better." At the rate I'm going, my eyes will be shot by the time my skill level is where I want it. I am glad that a coat of CDL will do the trick...I didn't like the idea of that"burlap". Mike Muth ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1999 21:01:33 EDT From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Fuselage Bands Message-ID: In a message dated 99-06-04 20:59:49 EDT, you write: << Ymmv, as it may not be so simple with wider bands or light colored bands like white or red or yellow. You could, however, put the decal band down and paint over it to cover any wrinkles or overlaps after the water/setting solution has dried. Good luck. Let us know of your results. >> Once it has set up a bit, a goodly dollop of decal solvent will make the wrinkles go away, too. TC ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1999 20:17:46 -0500 From: "Charles and Linda Duckworth" To: Subject: Re: Fuselage Bands Message-ID: <001701beaef1$3b700120$8c5cdfd1@q1p5x0> If you don't mind airbrushing (no decal wrinkles) cut a piece of drafting tape on a piece of glass (3-4") with a straight edge in half and use this to mask off either side of the area you want to paint. Drafting tape is low tack and not as thick as masking tape so it goes around curves easily. Been using it for 20+ years with no problems. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1999 23:21:56 EDT From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Windsock 15-3 arrived Message-ID: <3f5348a8.2489f1d4@aol.com> In a message dated 6/4/99 3:38:38 PM Pacific Daylight Time, JohnGlaser@worldnet.att.net writes: << Hey! Robert K! There's the Fokker "S" word again. Cut to shot of RK screaming towards the exits........ >> There's more than one "S" word associated with this particular ...uh...uh...er..Fokker.... Robert (back to the bat cave)K. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1999 23:21:57 EDT From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Windsock 15-3 arrived Message-ID: In a message dated 6/4/99 11:24:31 AM Pacific Daylight Time, knut.erik.hagen@eunet.no writes: << John Alcorn scratchbuilding an 1/24 DH9A in 6400hours over nine years - awsome >> I'm reading the play-by-play in the new book about this model....Alcorn is absolutely and certifiably nuts. His techniques are easily understood, and would be familiar to anyone with scratchbuilding or heavy conversion experience, but it's his..what's the word? "Meticulousity". If I ever need brain surgery, I want him to do it. Robert ( back to the salt mines)K. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1999 20:27:15 -0700 (PDT) From: bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: OEFFAG versus OAW/ was: Eduards 1/48 Albatros D.III OAW Message-ID: <199906050327.UAA29071@compass.OregonVOS.net> Matt writes: > >Didn't OAW also make a version of the Fok. D-VII? Whereas Oeffag only >made their own quite distinct version of the Alb. D-III. Were their any >other noticeable differences in the subsequent OAW Alb.D-V's, etc. versus >those manufactured by the other German firm? Don't think so except for the stencilled markings. The OAW produced only D.Va's however while Albatros's production came in both the D.V and D.Va flavors. Cheers and all, -- Bill Shatzer - bshatzer@orednet.org "You don't need a weather man to know which way the wind blows." -Bob Dylan- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1999 23:46:24 EDT From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Windsock 15-3 arrived Message-ID: <88a44a0a.2489f790@aol.com> In a message dated 99-06-04 23:26:13 EDT, you write: << << John Alcorn scratchbuilding an 1/24 DH9A in 6400hours over nine years - awsome >> >> I first met John Alcorn 25 years ago, when George Lee (all hail!!) convinced him to join Golden Gate IPMS. At the time, he was doing 1/32 and 1/24 wooden models with accurate cockpits - the first thing he brought in was a 1/32 Bf-109E (sorry, that's what it was) that everyone thought was the then brand-new Hasegawa kit. Then he started on the 1/32 A-20 - a 4-year project. He would come in each month, with a different part he had made, and spend about 45 minutes explaining to everyone just how anybody could do it (only we were all too intimidated to try). I remember when he brought in the operating main gear, done in brass, with springs inside the oleos. Man, oh man.... And of course, there was the God of Scratchbuilding, George Lee, with his 1/32 Berg D-1 with the hand made Austrian lozenge, and the beginnings of what became his magnum opus, the Keystone B-2. The really wonderful thing about both those guys was they would look at your model, and compliment some very little thing you had figured out to do, and then tell you five or six really practical things you could do with the next kit you made. I am certain I am as good a modeler as I am today because of them and those little "private lessons" down in the basement of the Home Savings Branch in Berserkeley, California in 1971-75, a strange place for modelers of warplanes to meet, if there ever was one. As an aside, for anyone in Southern California who can make it to the Planes of Fame Museum, Dick Best, the man who sank the "Akagi" at Midway, will be the featured speaker at First Saturday. tomorrow at 1000, with the SBD and TBF flown afterwards. There is a pretty darn good model show out at the museum next Saturday, the 12th, at which the prize for Best of Show is 45 minutes in a (OT alert! Ah-oo-ga!!! OT alert!!) P-51D flown by Steve Hinton or John Maloney; I am sure any member of this list could choke that one down, hide beneath a big hat and dark glasses.... Tom Cleaver ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1999 23:47:23 EDT From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: OEFFAG versus OAW/ was: Eduards 1/48 Albatros D.III OAW Message-ID: In a message dated 99-06-04 23:29:20 EDT, you write: << The OAW produced only D.Va's however while Albatros's production came in both the D.V and D.Va flavors. >> Sorry, totally incorrect. OAW made the *best* D.VII, and more of them than anyone else. Tom Cleaver ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Jun 1999 22:59:10 -0500 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Fuselage Bands Message-ID: <3758A08E.7176@bellsouth.net> Albatrosdv@aol.com wrote: > Once it has set up a bit, a goodly dollop of decal solvent will make the > wrinkles go away, too. Errr... Right. I guess I wasn't too clear about that part. However, even after the goodly dollop of Solvaset, there's still the very tiny wrinkles that are visable under the 10x. No big deal with black film, but could be a very big deal with white film. Iirc,(I'll look at the actual model later) the wrinkles may have vanished completely under the clear coat. My big concern with wrinkles on white film would be that where there's wrinkles, the film is doubled up on itself. If the white film is the least bit transparent, then you'll have un-even shades of white. That's the main reason I suggested painting over the film. E. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Jun 1999 23:02:14 -0500 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Windsock 15-3 arrived Message-ID: <3758A146.134B@bellsouth.net> Albatrosdv@aol.com wrote: I am sure any member of this list could choke that one > down, hide beneath a big hat and dark glasses.... Woudn't do any good, my grin would still be visible from the moon. E. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Jun 1999 23:15:58 -0500 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Ground Cover Message-ID: <3758A47E.1C7F@bellsouth.net> mkendix wrote: > > Ernest: > > What is Celluclay? I am thinking of creating a grass base to photograph > my models. M, If you just want something grassy to sit your models on to shoot pictures, don't bother with celluclay. Just take a flat piece of whatever, paint it some shade of brown if you think it needs it, and then smear a thin layer of white glue all over it, and dump on a bunch of static grass. Shake off the excess, blow across the top of it to make it all stand up and add a few clumps of weeds or clover for variety. Go ahead and paint on it if you think it needs it. Have a look at my Belgian Spad. The base it's on is just a piece of foam core board painted brown with some static grass clued to it. The 'clover' is Woodland Senics Corse turf, and the little clumps of weed are some kind of model RR elephant grass. Don't remember who made it. But you can get the same effect by cutting all the bristles off of an old paint brush you no longer use, and gluing them in a few little clumps on your base. To top it all off, or to bottom it all off as the case may be, the whole thing is framed with picture frame molding. E. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1999 21:23:25 -0700 (PDT) From: bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: OEFFAG versus OAW/ was: Eduards 1/48 Albatros D.III OAW Message-ID: <199906050423.VAA16598@compass.OregonVOS.net> Tom writes: >In a message dated 99-06-04 23:29:20 EDT, you write: > The OAW produced only D.Va's however while Albatros's production > came in both the D.V and D.Va flavors. >Sorry, totally incorrect. OAW made the *best* D.VII, and more of them than >anyone else. Sorry for my imprecision - I was intending to refer only to the Albatros D.V-type fighters produced by OAW. Still, where did you find the information that OAW produced more D.VIIs than anyone else? Clearly Albatros and OAW together produced more D.VIIs than did Fokker but I can't find a definitive breakdown giving the actual numbers of OAW D.VII production. Certainly OAW D.VII production was in the 900+ (maybe -much more-) range but whether or not that was greater than the numbers produced by either Albatros or Fokker is something I've never seen pinned down. Cheers and all, -- Bill Shatzer - bshatzer@orednet.org "You don't need a weather man to know which way the wind blows." -Bob Dylan- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1999 23:45:27 -0500 From: "Robert Johnson" To: Subject: Re: Ground Cover Message-ID: <008801beaf0e$3fd9e4c0$05f99ed0@robjohn.swdata.com> I trick I learned and use often for grass is to buy "Woodland Scenics" grass or the like. Apply thinned white glue to areas of the base. Think of it like a British camo pattern. Set on several large pieces of news paper. This is messy. Take a handful of the grass and sprinkle it over the glue. Let it build up. Set aside for 10 min. Then turn base over and shake the excess grass off on the newspaper. You can then paint as needed rob johnson -----Original Message----- From: Ernest Thomas To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Thursday, June 03, 1999 11:47 PM Subject: Re: Ground Cover >Mark Shanks wrote: > >> I'll second the use of "Woodland Scenics" foam for 1/72nd. I lay down >> Celluclay (just paper mache, basically) > >I too use celluclay for my groundwork. Here's a few tips that will save >time. Instead of three or four seperate steps, combine them. >When I mix my celluclay, I add water, white glue and whatever color >paint I want the dirt to be. I then apply it to the base and add my >static grass and whatever else while it's still wet. The white glue >holds everything in place and the paint mixed in saves me from the sheen >that the white glue tends to produce. When this is all dry, I go back >and do whatever additional painting is needed for the desired effect. >Hth somebody. >E. > ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 1621 **********************