WWI Digest 1612 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: More Pegasus by bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) 2) Re: Colour Information by Ernest Thomas 3) 11/2 strutter by Mang521092@aol.com 4) Welcome was Re: 11/2 strutter by Ernest Thomas 5) Re: Ilya (Was:DONE Oh-Thingie) by Brent & Tina Theobald 6) Re: Favourite parts by Brent & Tina Theobald 7) Re: 11/2 strutter by bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) 8) Aeroclub by "Alberto Rada" 9) Re: 11/2 strutter by bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) 10) Re: Profile Trade ? by bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) 11) Rhinebeck Trip by bucky@ptdprolog.net 12) Re: Colour Information by "Bob Pearson" 13) Re: 11/2 strutter by "Bob Pearson" 14) Re: Sopwith Camel B6313 by Albatrosdv@aol.com 15) Re: Aeroclub by Albatrosdv@aol.com 16) Re: Pegasus/BM offers by John Huggins 17) Re: More Pegasus by Matthew E Bittner 18) Re: 11/2 strutter by Matthew E Bittner 19) re: Troublemaker in our midst by Shane & Lorna Jenkins 20) Re: Troublemaker in our midst by Ernest Thomas 21) Re: 11/2 strutter by "Mike" 22) Re: Methuen Handbook (was Re: Color Information) by "Mike" 23) Site updates by Mike Fletcher 24) Re: decal printing (was Re: Aeromaster) by "David R.L. Laws" 25) RE: Methuen Handbook (was Re: Color Information) by Shane Weier 26) Re: Off-topic: Grebe/Gamecock by "David R.L. Laws" 27) Re: Methuen Handbook (was Re: Color Information) by "Mike" 28) RE: Methuen Handbook (was Re: Color Information) by Shane Weier 29) Re: Methuen Handbook (was Re: Color Information) by David & Carol Fletcher 30) AM Lozenge update by "d mather" 31) June Internet Modeler by "Bob Pearson" 32) FW: Tank at Flesquireres by "Bob Pearson" 33) RE: Internet Modeler by Shane & Lorna Jenkins 34) Re: Ilya (Was:DONE Oh-Thingie) by smperry@mindspring.com 35) RE: June Internet Modeler by "Diego Fernetti" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 18:05:46 -0700 (PDT) From: bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: More Pegasus Message-ID: <199906010105.SAA24557@compass.OregonVOS.net> Matt writes: > >Well, I did it. Ordered two Phoenix D.I's. Speaking of which... > >Does anybody know what changes I would have to make to a Phoenix D.I to >make it into a D.II? Well, lemme see. It sez here; re-build horizontal tail and elevators, to correct size and shape, remove headrest, correct aileron size and shape, re-route aileron control wires through lower wing. The drawings also indicate a completely different number and spacing of the wing ribs even though the wing spans and wing chords are identical. Cheers and all, -- Bill Shatzer - bshatzer@orednet.org "You don't need a weather man to know which way the wind blows." -Bob Dylan- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 20:08:06 -0500 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Colour Information Message-ID: <37533276.5F2E@bellsouth.net> Shane Weier wrote: > > > > But....I suspect they'll do > > >nothing to solve the problem of how to refer to colours > > > > > > > Can't we just ask Corporal E Thomas? > > > > Of course ! His language is certainly colourful. > > Except.... > > Is *your* understanding of "It's %^##%^#ing RED" the same as *mine* ? > > Shane > TFIC What part of '%^##%^#' don't you understand? :) E. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 21:08:51 EDT From: Mang521092@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: 11/2 strutter Message-ID: <9966e60a.24848ca3@aol.com> Pedro and Dennis, Thanks for the welcome!! I hope that I do receive lots of info on the 11/2 strutter. The Toko kit does not seem to be up to the same standards as the Pfalz or Seimens. The model has a peculiar cockpit floor, that's why I am looking for the info.The floor has what I suppose is supposed to be tubular structure on either side and through the middle where the control stick is attached to the floor. This arrangement looks like telephone poles! I would think that the cockpit floor is flat with rudder and aileron cables attached in the correct positions. Tally-Ho Mitch ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 20:14:49 -0500 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Welcome was Re: 11/2 strutter Message-ID: <37533409.22F1@bellsouth.net> Mitch, Welcome to the Monkey House from 'The Root of All Evil'. E. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 10:17:33 -0700 From: Brent & Tina Theobald To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Ilya (Was:DONE Oh-Thingie) Message-ID: <3752C42C.7037C373@airmail.net> Sorry for the belated reply... > > I am curently building the Ilya. I have the engines completed and the > > fuselage together. I sanded the seam off (along with the frame detail). > > All I did was paint the frames in dark grey before over painting with my > > antique white. It looks nice to me. > > What a great idea! That's one of those slap yourself in the forehead, why > didn't I think of that ideas. What kind of paint are you using? Any chance > of a photo or scan of the part? I selected a dark grey from the paint box. It was Model Masters RLM 66. I am using Floquil antique white for the CDL. I am going to be doing some scanning soon, so I can scan the fuselage for you. Where should I send it? Brent -- ************************************* They’ve got us surrounded, the poor bastards! ************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 20:17:42 -0700 From: Brent & Tina Theobald To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Favourite parts Message-ID: <375350D5.895DE91F@airmail.net> I recently completed a ritual I do every time I complete a model. I toss all the extra parts into the spares box and throw away the box and instructions. I don't know why, but it feels good. I like clearing off the bench, I guess. Brent ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 18:32:40 -0700 (PDT) From: bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: 11/2 strutter Message-ID: <199906010132.SAA05938@compass.OregonVOS.net> >Mang521092@aol.com wrote: > >> Hi Gang, >> >> I'm new to the board , but find it very informative. Seems you are all a >> great bunch of guys! Anyone got pics. of the Sopwith 11/2 strutter cockpit? I >> am about to embark on the Toko kit. Try the Datafile for the Strutter - it has several photos of the interior of the RAF Museums replica strutter. Or, if you don't have access to this publication, send me your snail mail and I'll send you a photocopy of this page. Never noticed it before but the strutter seems to have an unusual "spade-handle" joystick. Cheers and all, -- Bill Shatzer - bshatzer@orednet.org "You don't need a weather man to know which way the wind blows." -Bob Dylan- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 21:40:16 -0400 From: "Alberto Rada" To: Subject: Aeroclub Message-ID: <010a01beabcf$b3dae640$4f8131ce@telcel.telcel.net.ve> Hi Has Aeroclub come out with a webpage ? SALUDOS Alberto ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 18:41:42 -0700 (PDT) From: bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: 11/2 strutter Message-ID: <199906010141.SAA10104@compass.OregonVOS.net> > >Pedro and Dennis, > > Thanks for the welcome!! I hope that I do receive lots of info on the 11/2 >strutter. The Toko kit does not seem to be up to the same standards as the >Pfalz or Seimens. The model has a peculiar cockpit floor, that's why I am >looking for the info.The floor has what I suppose is supposed to be tubular >structure on either side and through the middle where the control stick is >attached to the floor. This arrangement looks like telephone poles! I would >think that the cockpit floor is flat with rudder and aileron cables attached >in the correct positions. Don't forget the -mammoth- control wheels for the air brakes. Cheers and all, -- Bill Shatzer - bshatzer@orednet.org "You don't need a weather man to know which way the wind blows." -Bob Dylan- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 18:54:05 -0700 (PDT) From: bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Profile Trade ? Message-ID: <199906010154.SAA14611@compass.OregonVOS.net> >Also have an extra of this little bagged kit, a Udet DVII (Du doch nicht) in >1/72. It's not >the Revell kit. The instruction sheet says "Printed in Japan", and the guy >said that >these were given away in a cereal box at one time. Perhaps the Nichimo kit? They did a rebox of the Eldon/Fuji/Ertl D.VII kit with Udet markings back in the early 70's. So far as I know, this was never a cereal premium but stranger things are certainly possible. Cheers and all, -- Bill Shatzer - bshatzer@orednet.org "You don't need a weather man to know which way the wind blows." -Bob Dylan- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 21:55:45 -0400 From: bucky@ptdprolog.net To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Rhinebeck Trip Message-ID: <37533DA1.642CFC83@ptdprolog.net> Sometimes you just get lucky. I stopped off at Rhinebeck on the way home from a weekend trip to Lake George. Took a great ride on the American Standard(still only $20) and then got to look around the workshops since no one much was around. They are working on the Jenny...currently it's all undressed. What a small airplane for a 2-seater! The Albatros is getting fixed up for the Summer shows. Sorry I won't be there for the first show. Mike Muth ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 18:54:08 -0700 From: "Bob Pearson" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Colour Information Message-ID: <199906010221.TAA29937@mail.rapidnet.net> Eric writes . .. >>Don't forget FMP . . the Pfalz and the British books are underway . . I have >>the art for both done and just have to get downtown and pop the Jaz disc in >>the mail. >> >>Bob > >Great news Bob -- congratulations! Any guess on when these books will >appear in print? > >Eric. Yes, but I am sworn to secrecy so we don't get yelled at when real lie intrudes. One thing though is that they will be soft cover and not hard cover, so it is only the budget of a provnce, not the entire nation to acquire them Bob ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 19:07:47 -0700 From: "Bob Pearson" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: 11/2 strutter Message-ID: <199906010221.TAA29953@mail.rapidnet.net> Bill write . . >Don't forget the -mammoth- control wheels for the air brakes. The portside wheel is for the airbrakes, the starboard is for the adjustable tailplane Bob ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 22:20:04 EDT From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Sopwith Camel B6313 Message-ID: <7268926b.24849d54@aol.com> I did this Camel with an aluminum cowl, per information from Legs Pearson. Tom Cleaver ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 22:25:21 EDT From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Aeroclub Message-ID: <530ecde8.24849e91@aol.com> In a message dated 99-05-31 21:42:55 EDT, you write: << Has Aeroclub come out with a webpage ? >> No, but they answer their e-mail at: Aeroclub@Compuserve.com HTH Tom Cleaver ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 21:54:00 -0500 From: John Huggins To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Pegasus/BM offers Message-ID: >-----Original Message----- >From: Zulis@aol.com >Date: Monday, May 31, 1999 10:13 AM >Subject: Re: Pegasus/BM offers > > >Dave No.13 writes: > >>{snip}Speaking for myself, I usually send all of the details of the >>order by email >>- everything except for the actualy credit card number, and then place a very >>short call to the dealer and read my credit card number to him over the > >phone. In reality, the secure sites are rally just eye candy. All messages are encrypted to some degree. The secure sites add more numbers to the encryption routine. If someone really wants your card number, a secure site will not prevent him from getting it. As mentioned in another post, most of us don't think any thing at all about giving our cards to a total stranger in a restaurant. Do you know where they go with it, what they do with it and why it takes longer than it should to imprint the card. Something else to think about, any one can get $20.00 worth electronic gadgets and have complete access to a phone line. They can tap into a phone line with a FAX machine and get the same thing the merchant gets. Bottom line, the internet is really more secure than the phone lines and FAX machines. I have been ordering on line for several years no, and have not had any problems yet. When you split up your numbers, you have to tell the merchant what is going on. You are also telling the hacker what is happening, so you haven't really hidden anything. I worry more about some idiot pulling a gun and shooting at me more than some one getting my cc# and using it. The gun has much more adverse results than the stolen cc#. John ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 22:02:12 -0500 From: Matthew E Bittner To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: More Pegasus Message-ID: <19990531.220500.-804449.4.mbittner@juno.com> On Mon, 31 May 1999 21:07:08 -0400 (EDT) bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) writes: > Well, lemme see. Thanks, Bill! Just what I was looking for. Matt Bittner http://www.geocities.com/~ipmsfortcrook http://www.discoveromaha.com/community/groups/plasticmodelers/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 21:49:31 -0500 From: Matthew E Bittner To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: 11/2 strutter Message-ID: <19990531.220500.-804449.0.mbittner@juno.com> On Mon, 31 May 1999 18:36:26 -0400 (EDT) Mang521092@aol.com writes: > I'm new to the board , but find it very informative. Seems you are > all a > great bunch of guys! Anyone got pics. of the Sopwith 11/2 strutter > cockpit? I > am about to embark on the Toko kit. Welcome! And he builds in the correct scale! :-) Which Toko Strutter? Best of luck. Matt Bittner http://www.geocities.com/~ipmsfortcrook http://www.discoveromaha.com/community/groups/plasticmodelers/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Jun 1999 13:13:04 +1000 From: Shane & Lorna Jenkins To: WW1 posts Subject: re: Troublemaker in our midst Message-ID: <37534FC0.D5682182@tac.com.au> Oh no, I'm sharing a cell with a man named Bubba! Lorna You're my little puppy now ;-) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 22:47:04 -0500 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Troublemaker in our midst Message-ID: <375357B8.5750@bellsouth.net> Lorna Jenkins wrote: > You're my little puppy now ;-) woof! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 21:10:56 -0700 From: "Mike" To: Subject: Re: 11/2 strutter Message-ID: <005801beabe4$c32493c0$be8c3ace@default> > > I'm new to the board , but find it very informative. Seems you are > > all a > > great bunch of guys! Anyone got pics. of the Sopwith 11/2 strutter > > cockpit? I > > am about to embark on the Toko kit. > Welcome from the Great Northwest USA! I run a little short of PC-10 type research material, but be sure to hit me up when you get to building something with a little "color".....Albatrii, Fokkerii etc.... An eastern european firm called PART has some wonderful etched brass sets for the SSW and DXII as well as a dandy one for the Sopwith Snipe kits by TOKO. I was under the impression they were doing some other subjects as well, but have not seen anything on them yet. Welcome, Mike Dicianna "Der Rote Modellflugzeugbauer" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 21:15:21 -0700 From: "Mike" To: Subject: Re: Methuen Handbook (was Re: Color Information) Message-ID: <006b01beabe5$5e207b00$be8c3ace@default> > David, > > Last year scans of the Methuen handbook were made available to list members, > I don't have a copy, but perhaps someone else does. Be warned that there are > 30 pages of colours and 15 of charts corresponding to those colours. > > Even through the big crash of 99 on the "puter", I was able to retrieve the Methuen Color charts that Bob Pearson provided to many of us. This was one of the first benefits of this list I was privy to. I have the entire file on my hard drive, although it is huge! If I can figure out how to do it, I will put them on my 5 meg of webspace available from my internet provider. Folks can download them from there easier than trying to email it. I will keep you all posted....when they are available. Hope this does not open up a big can of copywrite worms again...... Mike Dicianna "Der Rote Modellflugzeugbauer" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 21:20:42 -0700 From: Mike Fletcher To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Site updates Message-ID: <37535F9A.39539975@mars.ark.com> I have just added a whole bunch of period drawings to my site - if anyone sees any errors let me know http://mars.ark.com/~mdf/Nperiod.html -- Mike Fletcher ___ ., mdf@mars.ark.com |-\|^----! ; mikef@sparc.nic.bc.ca |--n--""*" icq=19554083 @ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Jun 1999 10:18:50 +0000 From: "David R.L. Laws" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: decal printing (was Re: Aeromaster) Message-ID: <3753B38A.2ECD@webtime.com.au> Cyg free legal advice In the US Commercial Code you have the same system as we do here regarding sale of goods - Sale by description - Mike Muth or one of the eagles over there can give you more detailed gen - Basically it goes this way .... If goods are ordered by description as to design, dimension, other attributes and the like and fail to comply then you have the right to reject them. If the goods supplied fail to perform eg disintergrating decals; then they are not fit for the purpose for which they were supplied Your best bet is to insist on samples - if the manufacturer supplies satisfactory samples but the production run doesn't measure up you are entitled to reject the production run on the basis of that non-correspondence with sample and sue for damages further if delivery time has been a bug and a bother - simply make time ( for supply/ delivery ) what is termed " the essence of the contract " - Ie: if the rotters don't supply on time, you cancel the contract and may have the right to sue for damages Wouldn't getting a reliable subcontractor with an ALPS be a workable alternative to all this legal bother and mumbo-jumbo ? regards david ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 14:31:08 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Cc: "'aew@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Methuen Handbook (was Re: Color Information) Message-ID: <8D60BCDA2B17D3118D3400A0C9DD444302C0F9@MIMHEXCH2> Mike, > > Even through the big crash of 99 on the "puter", I was able > > to retrieve the Methuen Color charts that Bob > > Pearson provided to many of us. This was one of the first > > benefits of this list I was privy to. > > I have the entire file on my hard drive, although it is huge! > If I can figure out how to do it, I will put them on > my 5 meg of webspace available from my internet provider. > Folks can download them from there easier > than trying to email it. > > I will keep you all posted....when they are available. > Ahem. Remember Jastafivegate? Out of print or not, the Methuen Handbook of Colour is still a copyrighted work. Offering it in this way can jeopardise Alans continued ability to provide our listserver, even if moral suasion doesn't deter you Shane (spoilsport, who wants the list to continue) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Jun 1999 15:06:44 +0000 From: "David R.L. Laws" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Off-topic: Grebe/Gamecock Message-ID: <3753F704.57BA@webtime.com.au> Dave Yup got it but nothing beyond the side view ( X-ray ) drawing for the cockpit - If anything turns up from elsewhere PLEASE let me know - I'm still stalled on this one too for the same reason !!! david ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 22:26:28 -0700 From: "Mike" To: Subject: Re: Methuen Handbook (was Re: Color Information) Message-ID: <002001beabef$4e8009e0$cc8c3ace@default> > Ahem. Remember Jastafivegate? Out of print or not, the Methuen Handbook of > Colour is still a copyrighted work. Offering it in this way can jeopardise > Alans continued ability to provide our listserver, even if moral suasion > doesn't deter you > > Shane > (spoilsport, who wants the list to continue) > As one of the convicted Jastafivegate folks, that is still in my mind. I understand that there are copywrite problems here, that is why I was asking. My question is, where does Methuen come from? Is it a current work or is it the system used for color recognition during WWI? Although the files I have on my hard drive appear to be from a current looking book, is this made from WWI information or is this a current system of color identification such as the FS standards? If anyone is still needing the colors, let me know and I can send the file/page with the color needed on it. This would be a smaller email attachment than a 1.18 meg complete collection. Again, it would be best to do this all off list to protect all the guilty parties. Mike Dicianna "Der Rote Modellflugzeugbauer" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 15:38:31 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Methuen Handbook (was Re: Color Information) Message-ID: <8D60BCDA2B17D3118D3400A0C9DD444302C0FF@MIMHEXCH2> Mike, > My question is, where does Methuen come from? Is it a > current work or is it the system used for > color recognition during WWI? Although the files I have on > my hard drive appear to be from a current > looking book, is this made from WWI information or is this a > current system of color identification such > as the FS standards? > First up, it has nothing whatever to do with WW1, except that people interested in WW1 planes have adopted it as a means of comparing and discussing colours. Second, it is "modern" but not, in the form you read in the datafiles, current. I believe that there is/are reprintings of the book but that they aren't consistent between reprints. Third, it isn't a "standard" for anything, in the way that FS numbers are standards for particular paints made for US government purposes. It's intended as a method for technical people (and maybe artist types) to accurately describe and compare the colours of, for example, pigments, rocks or whatever. That means that a company can buy a dozen copies and distribute them, then have their chemists, geologists etc. talk on the phone or by email and accurately describe their observations against an internally consistent standard. But no paint was ever made to be a particular Methuen value, nor was any Methuen value designed to match a particular paint (or anything). It is simply a book of colours that you can compare *things* to, nothing more. Methuen still sells them I believe, though not in the same form or edition Ray Rimell and others quote. Shane ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 21:51:14 -0700 From: David & Carol Fletcher To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Methuen Handbook (was Re: Color Information) Message-ID: <375366C2.453E@mars.ark.com> Mike wrote: "My question is, where does Methuen come from?" Methuen was originally published in Denmark in 1961. The English was published in 1963 and a U.S. version (translated from English?) in 1984. Although it is long out of print, I suspect it is still covered by copyright laws (given that the U.S. extended them at the behest of the Disney Empire). Dave Fletcher ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 23:16:20 PDT From: "d mather" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: AM Lozenge update Message-ID: <19990601061620.70838.qmail@hotmail.com> Hi, I spent the weekend in Dallas Tx, and attended the Squadron Scalefest. I had the opportunity to speak with Gaston of AeroMaster fame. I brought up the lozenge draught we are currently having. He said he was in the process of having his lozenge reprinted after a color adjustment, and promiced they would be out in about 2 months. I hope this isnt old news to the group, but thought Id anounce it. doug _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Jun 1999 00:08:04 -0700 From: "Bob Pearson" To: ww1 mailing list Subject: June Internet Modeler Message-ID: <199906010719.AAA04970@mail.rapidnet.net> Greetings all, WE DID IT !!! Finally got the $%^&* thing up right at midnight. . in fact with 30 seconds to spare. Okay, it took a little longer to get hs ready to send Seeing as how 3/4 of the IM ownership is on the list is there any doubt that we would have WW1 content? Of course we do ... from all the usual contributors - Michael Kendix, Matt Bittner, Chris B-R, Tom Cleaver. . . . . Regards, Bob Pearson Managing Editor / Internet Modeler http://www.internetmodeler.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Jun 1999 01:28:13 -0700 From: "Bob Pearson" To: ww1 mailing list Subject: FW: Tank at Flesquireres Message-ID: <199906010839.BAA05917@mail.rapidnet.net> Thought some of you might be interested in the following message sent to the WW1 history list ____________________________________________________________________ from Gerwyn Williams, 15 hilltop View Road, Borras Park, Wrexham LL12 7SF. UK. Hello, I am most interested in your article on the tank at flesquieres, I belong to a group of three people who are trying to raise funds to preserve the said tank. We call ourselves " The Cambrai Tank Fund", we have all met Philippe and are supporting him in his efforts to preserve the tank. Two of our members were present when the tank was raised from the ground in Nov. 98, I am a recent newcomer who stayed at Philippes hotel in Cambrai last year while visiting the Somme. All three of us are interested in the history of WW1. I have written to scores of companies and organisations trying to drum up financial support but to no avail, we have some responce to letters in national newspapers but need more exposure. Can you help by mentioning our Appeal on your website? Donations can be made to: The Cambrai Tank Fund, PO Box 1369,Wrexham, LL11 5ZA. The tank has been identified as D51, Deborah, by David Fletcher, RTR Museum and not D41. D51 took 5 direct hits after 4hours in the battle, killing four of its crew. The Commander, 2nd Lt. Gustave Heap received the MC for his efforts in the battle. If you need further details I shall try to deliver them Regards, Gerwyn Williams ___________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Jun 1999 19:04:33 +1000 From: Shane & Lorna Jenkins To: WW1 posts Subject: RE: Internet Modeler Message-ID: <3753A221.1223473F@tac.com.au> Another great fantastic effort from the IM team is now available. GO READ IT!! Lorna ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 05:37:13 -0400 From: smperry@mindspring.com To: Subject: Re: Ilya (Was:DONE Oh-Thingie) Message-ID: <001701beac12$54b21ba0$542b45cf@smp> > I am going to be doing some scanning soon, so I can scan the fuselage for you. > Where should I send it? > > Brent Hi Brent: If you get a scan, just send it as an attachment to smperry@mindspring.com TIA sp ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 08:07:36 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: Subject: RE: June Internet Modeler Message-ID: <00ae01beab55$cac48840$4640a8c0@prens-001.ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Good work, as ever! And I see that you have included an article of the 10..... something! mmmmmh... interesting.. D. -----Mensaje original----- De: Bob Pearson Para: Multiple recipients of list Fecha: Martes, 01 de Junio de 1999 04:21 a.m. Asunto: June Internet Modeler >Greetings all, > >WE DID IT !!! Finally got the $%^&* thing up right at midnight. . in fact >with 30 seconds to spare. Okay, it took a little longer to get hs ready to >send > >Seeing as how 3/4 of the IM ownership is on the list is there any doubt that >we would have WW1 content? Of course we do ... from all the usual >contributors - Michael Kendix, Matt Bittner, Chris B-R, Tom Cleaver. . . . >. > >Regards, > Bob Pearson > > >Managing Editor / Internet Modeler >http://www.internetmodeler.com > ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 1612 **********************