WWI Digest 1609 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Bristol M.1C by Albatrosdv@aol.com 2) Color Information by "DAVID BURKE" 3) Re: Color Information by Ernest Thomas 4) Re: Bucky models by Ernest Thomas 5) Movies by BEN8800@aol.com 6) RE: Color Information by Shane Weier 7) RE: Movies by Shane Weier 8) Re: Color Information by Ernest Thomas 9) Re: Movies by bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) 10) Methuen Handbook (was Re: Color Information) by "Bob Pearson" 11) RE: Movies by "Chris Banyai-Riepl" 12) off-topic tora bits wasRe: Movies by KarrArt@aol.com 13) Re: Movies by Ernest Thomas 14) Re: Color Information by David & Carol Fletcher 15) Re: Movies by David & Carol Fletcher 16) Re: Movies by bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) 17) Pegasus/BM offers by "Sandy Adam" 18) Re: Pegasus/BM offers by Ernest Thomas 19) RE: Pegasus/BM offers by "Diego Fernetti" 20) Re: Pegasus/BM offers by Zulis@aol.com 21) RE: Pegasus/BM offers by "John C Glaser" 22) Re: Pegasus/BM offers by "David Vosburgh" 23) RE: Pegasus/BM offers by "John C Glaser" 24) Re: Pegasus/BM offers by "Alberto Rada" 25) Re: Pegasus/BM offers by John & Allison Cyganowski 26) Memorial Day - Field Piece by John & Allison Cyganowski 27) Memorial Day by "Robert M. Farrar" 28) RE: Pegasus/BM offers by "Diego Fernetti" 29) Jenny Rigging by BEN8800@aol.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 22:48:45 EDT From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Bristol M.1C Message-ID: Well, with all the spare time not reading the white noise on the internet - :-) - the Bristol now sits done other than rigging. Did the Macedonian airplane, out of what turned out to be misplaced fear of the decal quality, rather than the sunburst. The decals were as excellent as the rest of the kit. There will be a full-build review of this beauty in the July Internet Modeler. In the meantime, you can order it from Lubos Vinar here on the list. I am not kidding - this is a Tamigawa "slammer" of a resin kit. Looks like an Eduard model sitting there now. I could see myself doing another, to do that sunburst. I now possess a 56.6 modem, but it looks like it will have to go to the shop with the Packard Hell White Elephant. In the meantime, on to the new Eduard OAW Albatros D.III - which reminds me: there is a photo of an OAW D.III in black-and-white chevrons on wings, fuselage and tail - anybody know who flew it?? I am definitely going to do it. BTW - this kit has the radiator offset to the right. Tom Cleaver ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 22:09:39 -0500 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Color Information Message-ID: <004801beab13$07be6880$0201c0d1@dora9sprynet.com> Hey Guys, Just got back from Pensacola and took a second in the 'Blue Angels' category, beaten out by a model with a paint finish that looked like it had Rice Krispies in it. Damned Contestant Judging, just because that his model was bigger, had more engines and flashing lights.... Also saw a model that placed in 1/48 prop A/C, a lovely Albatros DR.1 tripe. However, he lacked the radiator hoses (O.K., I'm nitpicking, and his lozenge was nice). Picked up two Copper State kits: a Pfalz D.XII and a Fokker D.V. Can't wait to order the Windsocks and start playing with all that resin and metal!!! I notice that there is a color standard for WWI A/C (I forget what it's called - similar to RLM or ANA-type guides). I think the name starts with an 'M' - forget my laziness to get up and check. Is there a good publication that lists all of these colors and their FS or paint manufacturer equivalents? Also, is there a paint line that is geared to the WWI modeler? Like Warbird Paints is for WWII? Dave ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 22:38:25 -0500 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Color Information Message-ID: <37520431.20EB@bellsouth.net> Hey Dave, Sorry I wasn't there in Pcola. Just didn't have the sheckels for a two day contest. How did your WWI stuff do? Was there even a seperate catagory for bipes? As for WWI colors, I think there's a section on the list site that gives some standard color chips. But REAL modelers just grab what ever looks about right and mix in a bit of this or that until their happy with it. :) So was there any other WWI stuff besides the Albatripe and what ever you had? What did you enter anyway? Your SSW? The matched set of Dora's? E. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 22:39:38 -0500 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Bucky models Message-ID: <3752047A.524B@bellsouth.net> KarrArt@aol.com wrote: > P.S. I've seen fuzzy photos of EtH in his snidely fashion- he really needs to > get a better quality shabby black top hat Trying to get the handle bars just right first. E. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 23:40:14 EDT From: BEN8800@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Movies Message-ID: <5906bd98.24835e9e@aol.com> Oh Hollywood, Oh Hollywood. Not WW 1 but WW2. You guys got me really looking at airplanes. I saw Tora Tora Tora on cable. There is a ton of Japanese Zeros in that movie. Where did they get all of them, or were they American planes with Japanese markings. Anyone know? Now the real classic as far as airplanes go was in a follow on movie Wake Island with William Bendix. These Japanese planes made an attack. the planes had a wing that was tapered from the fuselage to almost a point at the tips. It was a real aircraft but I don't know what it was. Anyway, the planes peeled off into a dive. In the dive it was a different aircraft with more conventional wings. Then another shot showed them passing across the island and it was another different aircraft, looking more like a Zero. Now the real scene - A bunch of Wildcats came in to attack the Japanese planes. One scene shows the wildcat behind one of the pointed wing Japanese planes and he shot it down. Then another similar scene, scratch another one. Then out of the blue the very next scene shows an American plane behind and shooting down another plane. But guess what? The plane he is shooting down is a bi wing plane. Now where the hell did that come from. Some trainer must have flown thru the movie scene. Oh Hollywood, Oh Hollywood. Ben ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 13:46:27 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Color Information Message-ID: <684F83DB3D13D311B0B40060B06865CD090B26@mimhexch.mim.com.au> Dave > I notice that there is a color standard for WWI A/C (I > forget what it's > called - similar to RLM or ANA-type guides). I think the > name starts with > an 'M' - forget my laziness to get up and check. Is there a good > publication that lists all of these colors and their FS or paint > manufacturer equivalents? Also, is there a paint line that > is geared to the > WWI modeler? Like Warbird Paints is for WWII? I guess you mean either Munsell, or Methuen. Both are *not* paint standards, but books of colour comparison chips *not* matched to any paint whatsoever. They are/were meant to give a point of comparison in a variety of technical pursuits and are now (in the form we'd like to see them) entirely out of print. As for a paint line geared to WW1 - there isn't one, and if I was a manufacturer I'd avoid the idea like the plague. Unlike modern aircraft where the *intention* of maintaining a standard is ahered to at least by the manufacturer, with some success, it seems from surviving samples that WW1 colours weren't nearly so carefully manufactured, or at least that wartime contingency made it hard to keep things "standard" Add to this the fact that all too few guaranteed samples of original paint still exist, it becomes impossible to say for certain just what the hell the *actual* paint might have looked like, much less what the *standard* might have been. In general, I try to match colours on a best effort basis. Most of the list will be doing the same. Line up ten (for example) of their Albatrii and the 10 different mauves might well match some of the real ones, all of the real ones, or none. But get a critic to *prove* yours isn't right ! Shane ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 13:47:15 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Movies Message-ID: <684F83DB3D13D311B0B40060B06865CD090B27@mimhexch.mim.com.au> Out damned Hinomaru !! > -----Original Message----- > From: BEN8800@aol.com [mailto:BEN8800@aol.com] > Sent: Monday, 31 May 1999 13:43 > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Movies > > > Oh Hollywood, Oh Hollywood. Not WW 1 but WW2. You guys got me > really looking > at airplanes. > > I saw Tora Tora Tora on cable. There is a ton of Japanese > Zeros in that > movie. Where did they get all of them, or were they American > planes with > Japanese markings. Anyone know? > > Now the real classic as far as airplanes go was in a follow > on movie Wake > Island with William Bendix. These Japanese planes made an > attack. the planes > had a wing that was tapered from the fuselage to almost a > point at the tips. > It was a real aircraft but I don't know what it was. Anyway, > the planes > peeled off into a dive. In the dive it was a different > aircraft with more > conventional wings. Then another shot showed them passing > across the island > and it was another different aircraft, looking more like a Zero. > > Now the real scene - A bunch of Wildcats came in to attack > the Japanese > planes. One scene shows the wildcat behind one of the pointed > wing Japanese > planes and he shot it down. Then another similar scene, > scratch another one. > Then out of the blue the very next scene shows an American > plane behind and > shooting down another plane. But guess what? The plane he is > shooting down is > a bi wing plane. Now where the hell did that come from. Some > trainer must > have flown thru the movie scene. Oh Hollywood, Oh Hollywood. > > Ben > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 22:52:02 -0500 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Color Information Message-ID: <37520762.3356@bellsouth.net> Shane Weier wrote: > But get a critic to *prove* yours isn't right ! YEAH! You go girl! E. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 21:16:30 -0700 (PDT) From: bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Movies Message-ID: <199905310416.VAA10441@compass.OregonVOS.net> >Oh Hollywood, Oh Hollywood. Not WW 1 but WW2. You guys got me really looking >at airplanes. >I saw Tora Tora Tora on cable. There is a ton of Japanese Zeros in that >movie. Where did they get all of them, or were they American planes with >Japanese markings. Anyone know? Most are 1/6 scale R/C models. Three (?) were cleverly modified AT-6 "Texan" trainers. >Now the real classic as far as airplanes go was in a follow on movie Wake >Island with William Bendix. These Japanese planes made an attack. the planes >had a wing that was tapered from the fuselage to almost a point at the tips. >It was a real aircraft but I don't know what it was. Been a while but I think those were either Curtiss CW-21s or the advanced trainer version of the CW-21, SNC-1s. -snips- Cheers and all, -- Bill Shatzer - bshatzer@orednet.org "You don't need a weather man to know which way the wind blows." -Bob Dylan- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 21:21:14 -0700 From: "Bob Pearson" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Methuen Handbook (was Re: Color Information) Message-ID: <199905310432.VAA01268@mail.rapidnet.net> David, Last year scans of the Methuen handbook were made available to list members, I don't have a copy, but perhaps someone else does. Be warned that there are 30 pages of colours and 15 of charts corresponding to those colours. As Shane said, the Methuen is a system of colours, not chips. There are 30 basic colours that are given a number. To this is added a letter which becomes progressively darker as it goes from A-F (10x darker with each letter). the final component is another number from 1-8, in this case each lower number denotes a dilution of (I forget - but IIRC it is overprinted with a fine white screen 10 times as well). In the upper left corner of each page is the basic colour as xA8. . all 30 of these can be used as a colour wheel as well. For example taking just the basic colours 1A8 being a light yellow, 5A8 is an orange,10A8 is a bright red, 15A8 is purple, 20A8 ultramarine, 25A8 bright green. These can then be adjusted by changing the letter or number value in a given range. Increasing the letter darkens the colour while reducing the number lightens the shade. The advantage of the Methuen is it enables those with copies to easily describe a colour, and if it isn't in the book, then a range between two others can be used. For example my sky blue Strat is about 23-24A5 Bob ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 21:38:37 -0700 From: "Chris Banyai-Riepl" To: Subject: RE: Movies Message-ID: <000701beab1f$7334f960$705a33d1@ntworkstation> > the planes > had a wing that was tapered from the fuselage to almost a point > at the tips. > It was a real aircraft but I don't know what it was. Anyway, the planes Ahh, now THERE'S a bit of aviation trivia! Five of those planes were used in the movie, and it was a fairly rare plane to begin with. It was the Ryan SC, or Sport Coupe, a civilian design by Claude Ryan made to make family flying fun and economical. It would have been a huge success if it weren't for one problem that got in the way: the Second World War. Ryan production shifted over to the Army trainers, and the SC fell into obscurity. When I get around to it, I will upload all the Aviation What-Not issues that I did before I changed it to Internet Modeler. In the last issue of that magazine I wrote an article on the Ryan SC. A nifty little plane. Now to return to an on-topic discussion, I need a nice, relaxing, simple plane to do after rigging up my Strutter and bending all that Flashback PE inside. What's a good, easy subject out there? I build in only the One True Scale, also known as the Light Side, so keep your recommendations to 1/72.... :-) Chris Banyai-Riepl Publisher/Editor Internet Modeler http://www.internetmodeler.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 00:44:49 EDT From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: off-topic tora bits wasRe: Movies Message-ID: In a message dated 5/30/99 9:19:42 PM Pacific Daylight Time, bshatzer@orednet.org writes: << >Oh Hollywood, Oh Hollywood. Not WW 1 but WW2. You guys got me really looking >at airplanes. >I saw Tora Tora Tora on cable. There is a ton of Japanese Zeros in that >movie. Where did they get all of them, or were they American planes with >Japanese markings. Anyone know? Most are 1/6 scale R/C models. Three (?) were cleverly modified AT-6 "Texan" trainers. >> Excuse the off-topic rambling, but almost all the airplanes in that movie were real airplanes. I forget how many T-6s were modified, but it was alot. The Vals and Kates were similarly mods of old trainers, rather nicely done. Most of the av-mags at the time of the filming had great coverage. I've got a bunch of material on the exact modifications carried out. A lot of full size mockups of US planes were blown up. This was a BIG budget movie for the time. The entire 1/1 scale rear end of a US battleship was constructed. Most of the ships WERE models- huge 1/8 things. For an on-topic tidbit...Jack Canary was involved in the procurement and modification of the movie's aerial fleet, and was killed ferrying a Texan for the movie. At one time he owned and flew the Canadian NAM Sopwith Snipe. An all round airplane guy. Robert K. sorry for extending the off-topic thread ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 00:04:04 -0500 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Movies Message-ID: <37521844.31A1@bellsouth.net> Chris Banyai-Riepl wrote: > Now to return to an on-topic discussion, I need a nice, relaxing, simple > plane to do after rigging up my Strutter and bending all that Flashback PE > inside. What's a good, easy subject out there? Revell E-III if you've got one. Airfix Roland is a piece of cake too. E. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 21:39:54 -0700 From: David & Carol Fletcher To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Color Information Message-ID: <3752129A.1A1A@mars.ark.com> DAVID BURKE wrote: "Is there a good publication that lists all of these colors and their FS or paint manufacturer equivalents?" The closest thing to a "colour bible" is Dave Klaus' epic work "IPMS Color Cross-Reference Guide". I believe he still markets this book via his company Meteor Productions (?), along with copies of FS595. If you have a copy, you can always cite it as a reference and challenge the judges to pronounce both you and Dave wrong! Dave Fletcher ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 21:39:59 -0700 From: David & Carol Fletcher To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Movies Message-ID: <3752129F.323D@mars.ark.com> BEN8800@aol.com wrote: "I saw Tora Tora Tora on cable. There is a ton of Japanese Zeros in that movie. Where did they get all of them, or were they American planes with Japanese markings. Anyone know?" Sorry to disagree with you Bill - Most were converted T-6, Harvard Mark 4 and Vultee BT-13/15 adaptations. I have a photo of a line-up of ex-RCAF Harvards with crudely painted U.S. civil registration letters ready to head to the U.S for conversion into Zeros, as well as an article on the "assembly line" set up to do it. Some wound up stretched and became "Kates". The Vultees were converted in "Val" dive-bombers. Sorry, I've never seen "Wake Island", so I can't comment on the types used in that flick. The most common Hollywood WWI aeroplanes (to bring things sort of back to topic...) are Stampes and Stearmans - a Stampe appears in the new release of "The Mummy" as an RAF "Tween the Wars" type. It was a Stampe and a Stearman battling to the death in "Biggles" too. I don't mind adaptations too much, but I get driven to distraction by "reference books" which show Hollywood stage props and caption them as though they are the real thing! Dave Fletcher ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 23:30:21 -0700 (PDT) From: bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Movies Message-ID: <199905310630.XAA21085@compass.OregonVOS.net> Ernest wrote: >Chris Banyai-Riepl wrote: >> Now to return to an on-topic discussion, I need a nice, relaxing, simple >> plane to do after rigging up my Strutter and bending all that Flashback PE >> inside. What's a good, easy subject out there? >Revell E-III if you've got one. Airfix Roland is a piece of cake too. If ya' wish to avoid rigging, ya' can't do much better than a Fokker Dr.I, D.VII, or D.VIII. 'Cept, of course, the Junkers J.I or D.I which are the ultimate in WWI rigging avoidance. But, J.I and D.I kits are a bit harder to come by than the various Fokker aircraft. But, they can be found. If yer tired of threading monofilament line through teeny-tiny holes, a Junkers kit will enable you to avoid that problem entirely - and STILL produce an on-topic model. A Fokker is the next best thing. :-) Cheers and all, -- Bill Shatzer - bshatzer@orednet.org "You don't need a weather man to know which way the wind blows." -Bob Dylan- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 10:38:12 +0100 From: "Sandy Adam" To: Subject: Pegasus/BM offers Message-ID: <009301beab49$508f8d60$24e8b094@sandyada> I see www.pegasusmodels.com has a "this month special" on several models - BM Camel, Pfalz XIII, N28 at 20% off - and some Pegasus tiddlers too. Sandy (Sorry David I gave wrong url in previous post) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 06:06:59 -0500 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Pegasus/BM offers Message-ID: <37526D53.FA8@bellsouth.net> Sandy Adam wrote: > > I see www.pegasusmodels.com has a "this month special" on several models - > BM Camel, Pfalz XIII, N28 at 20% off And there goes my very first ever cyber-purchase. Can't wait to see the D-XII. Thanks Sandy. E. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 08:16:07 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: Subject: RE: Pegasus/BM offers Message-ID: <000401beaa8d$d0b84340$4640a8c0@prens-001.ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Hi from the cold pampas... I've been in the Pegasus site, and I'd like to order something, but the order form for credit cards wasn't a secure feature. Could you tell me if I must restrain to send the credit card numbers and info? And if so, how should I do to contact them securely? Thanks D. nl: Wagner's "La cabalgata de la Walkirias" on CD to prepare myself for a hard monday morning. -----Mensaje original----- De: Ernest Thomas Para: Multiple recipients of list Fecha: Lunes, 31 de Mayo de 1999 08:18 a.m. Asunto: Re: Pegasus/BM offers >Sandy Adam wrote: >> >> I see www.pegasusmodels.com has a "this month special" on several models - >> BM Camel, Pfalz XIII, N28 at 20% off > >And there goes my very first ever cyber-purchase. Can't wait to see the >D-XII. Thanks Sandy. >E. > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 09:03:40 EDT From: Zulis@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Pegasus/BM offers Message-ID: <4b3b4c94.2483e2ac@aol.com> In a message dated 99-05-31 07:17:44 EDT, Diego enquires: << Hi from the cold pampas... I've been in the Pegasus site, and I'd like to order something, but the order form for credit cards wasn't a secure feature. Could you tell me if I must restrain to send the credit card numbers and info? And if so, how should I do to contact them securely? Thanks D. nl: Wagner's "La cabalgata de la Walkirias" on CD to prepare myself for a hard monday morning. >> Hi Diego! Regarding the credit card issue, the answer is "it depends". Some people are very protective of their credit card numbers (with good reason) but it was recently pointed out to me that giving your credit card number to a reputable purchaser on the net is about as risky as giving your card to a waiter at a restaurant. If you never let your real card out of your sight, you probably wouldnt want to use a non-secure site on the internet either. Speaking for myself, I usually send all of the details of the order by email - everything except for the actualy credit card number, and then place a very short call to the dealer and read my credit card number to him over the phone. It has occurred to me that if someone has "tapped" his computer line to plunder credit card numbers, they could just as easily have "tapped" his phone line to listen to calls, so I am probably not doing anything particularly brilliant here. In short, I think the risk of transmitting credit card numbers over the internet is real, but exaggerated. I would be interested to hear from someone who knows if the "secure" sites truly are as secure as advertised. Not suggesting they are not - I just dont know anything about them. Regards, Dave Z ps - I hope all our US list members are having a pleaant and safe Memorial Day. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 08:50:17 -0500 From: "John C Glaser" To: Subject: RE: Pegasus/BM offers Message-ID: A site using SSL (Secure Sockets Layering) is about as secure as you can get without going completely nuts. Or anyway, is a least as secure as handing your credit card to a perfect stranger in a restaurant! BTW, a few months back, I placed an e-mail order with BM / Pegasus and was extremely pleased with the service. From order time to my mail box in Houston in a little over two weeks. All packed quite safely and arrived in a build-able state. - JG -----Original Message----- From: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu [mailto:wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu]On Behalf Of Zulis@aol.com Sent: Monday, May 31, 1999 8:05 AM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Pegasus/BM offers In a message dated 99-05-31 07:17:44 EDT, Diego enquires: << Hi from the cold pampas... I've been in the Pegasus site, and I'd like to order something, but the order form for credit cards wasn't a secure feature. Could you tell me if I must restrain to send the credit card numbers and info? And if so, how should I do to contact them securely? Thanks D. nl: Wagner's "La cabalgata de la Walkirias" on CD to prepare myself for a hard monday morning. >> Hi Diego! Regarding the credit card issue, the answer is "it depends". Some people are very protective of their credit card numbers (with good reason) but it was recently pointed out to me that giving your credit card number to a reputable purchaser on the net is about as risky as giving your card to a waiter at a restaurant. If you never let your real card out of your sight, you probably wouldnt want to use a non-secure site on the internet either. Speaking for myself, I usually send all of the details of the order by email - everything except for the actualy credit card number, and then place a very short call to the dealer and read my credit card number to him over the phone. It has occurred to me that if someone has "tapped" his computer line to plunder credit card numbers, they could just as easily have "tapped" his phone line to listen to calls, so I am probably not doing anything particularly brilliant here. In short, I think the risk of transmitting credit card numbers over the internet is real, but exaggerated. I would be interested to hear from someone who knows if the "secure" sites truly are as secure as advertised. Not suggesting they are not - I just dont know anything about them. Regards, Dave Z ps - I hope all our US list members are having a pleaant and safe Memorial Day. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 09:59:23 -0400 From: "David Vosburgh" To: Subject: Re: Pegasus/BM offers Message-ID: <000601beab6d$ca397260$6fd690d0@Pvosburg> -----Original Message----- From: Zulis@aol.com Date: Monday, May 31, 1999 10:13 AM Subject: Re: Pegasus/BM offers Dave No.13 writes: >{snip}Speaking for myself, I usually send all of the details of the order by email >- everything except for the actualy credit card number, and then place a very >short call to the dealer and read my credit card number to him over the >phone. What I've done on a couple of occasions is to send the first half of my cc # from one computer, and then the second half (clearly identified) from another... at work or a friend's house. This may be a vain hope, but it would seem to me that the extra work involved in matching up the two messages might make a cyber-bandit shake their pointy head and move on to the next victim. Regards, DV ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 09:00:34 -0500 From: "John C Glaser" To: Subject: RE: Pegasus/BM offers Message-ID: I sent my cc number via e-mail. Also not completely secure, but what form of electronic communication is? I really think that all the scare talk about cc numbers on the internet is just that - scare talk. People don't understand a new technology, are afraid of it and need to find something wrong. Anyway, does anyone remember a few years ago when "they" would get your cc number from the discarded charge slip carbons? - JG -----Original Message----- From: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu [mailto:wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu]On Behalf Of Diego Fernetti Sent: Monday, May 31, 1999 6:17 AM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: RE: Pegasus/BM offers Hi from the cold pampas... I've been in the Pegasus site, and I'd like to order something, but the order form for credit cards wasn't a secure feature. Could you tell me if I must restrain to send the credit card numbers and info? And if so, how should I do to contact them securely? Thanks D. nl: Wagner's "La cabalgata de la Walkirias" on CD to prepare myself for a hard monday morning. -----Mensaje original----- De: Ernest Thomas Para: Multiple recipients of list Fecha: Lunes, 31 de Mayo de 1999 08:18 a.m. Asunto: Re: Pegasus/BM offers >Sandy Adam wrote: >> >> I see www.pegasusmodels.com has a "this month special" on several models - >> BM Camel, Pfalz XIII, N28 at 20% off > >And there goes my very first ever cyber-purchase. Can't wait to see the >D-XII. Thanks Sandy. >E. > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 10:16:47 -0400 From: "Alberto Rada" To: Subject: Re: Pegasus/BM offers Message-ID: <009c01beab70$958d39e0$0f8031ce@telcel.telcel.net.ve> Hi Diego I normally send the info in 2 emails with 10 or 15 minutes gap, this is in case the information on one of them goes to the blue SALUDOS Alberto b.t.w. never had a problem , ( till now ) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 10:29:08 -0400 From: John & Allison Cyganowski To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Pegasus/BM offers Message-ID: <37529CB4.7225@worldnet.att.net> John C Glaser wrote: > > A site using SSL (Secure Sockets Layering) is about as secure as you can get > without going completely nuts. A secure as US Nuclear Secrets.....Uh, even safer! ;-) I think most of the scare talk has come from US credit card companies. I think the intent was to encourage card holders to be careful with their card #s. Unfortunately, the message has become "Don't buy over the net. It isn't safe." I believe that US card holders have limited liability for purchases that get made with a stolen card #. I purchased the Spad 7 direct from Blue Max and used a credit card over the Email and was pleased with the merchandise and the transaction. Cyg. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 10:39:41 -0400 From: John & Allison Cyganowski To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Memorial Day - Field Piece Message-ID: <37529F2D.7F7A@worldnet.att.net> Having a nice Memorial Day. My kids treated me to a stirring rendition of "Waltzing Matilda" (What happened to "When Johnny Comes Marching Home"?) Back on topic: We have here in our town park a German 105mm field piece suposedly captured at Meuse-Argonne. It kinda bugs me to see this thing exposed to the elements like that, although they do paint it from time to time. Cyg. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 10:18:13 -0500 From: "Robert M. Farrar" To: "ww1" Subject: Memorial Day Message-ID: <000b01beab78$cf052a40$642f88cf@rmf> Hello Listers, Happy Memorial Day! Put the flags out and remember! Bob ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 12:21:46 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: Subject: RE: Pegasus/BM offers Message-ID: <002401beaab0$21e87100$4640a8c0@prens-001.ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Whoops! I took the chance and send the CC# on the Email. The lust for another Albatros in my collection could do more than my inveterate cowardness. I guess that is the same feeling that once had many allied pilots, isn't it? ;-) D. By the way, someone could explain me what's Memorail Day -offlist, of course-. Thanks! -----Mensaje original----- De: John & Allison Cyganowski Para: Multiple recipients of list Fecha: Lunes, 31 de Mayo de 1999 11:39 a.m. Asunto: Re: Pegasus/BM offers >John C Glaser wrote: >> >> A site using SSL (Secure Sockets Layering) is about as secure as you can get >> without going completely nuts. > >A secure as US Nuclear Secrets.....Uh, even safer! ;-) > >I think most of the scare talk has come from US credit card companies. >I think the intent was to encourage card holders to be careful with >their card #s. Unfortunately, the message has become "Don't buy over the >net. It isn't safe." I believe that US card holders have limited >liability for purchases that get made with a stolen card #. > >I purchased the Spad 7 direct from Blue Max and used a credit card over >the Email and was pleased with the merchandise and the transaction. > >Cyg. > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 11:44:35 EDT From: BEN8800@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Jenny Rigging Message-ID: I have a few more questions on Jennys rigging cause I really want to get the rigging terms correct on the drawings. Am clear with flying wires. Inboard to outboard going up. Landing wires - Inboard to outboard going down. Now on Nietos plans of the Jenny he calls these lift wires. What is to most accepted term, lift or landing? The kingpost wires along the wings should be called landing wires. Correct? Nieto calls the X wires in the wings drag wires and in the fuselage truss wires. Also there are 2 wires from the wing struts to the nose of the aircraft. Nieto also calls these drag wires. Are these correct terms? What would the fore and aft X wires between the wing struts be called? Maybe, strut truss wires? At the struts on the fuselage there is a wire going forward, and a wire going aft. What are these called? What would the backup up wires for the aileron, rudder, and elevator control horns be called? Maybe back up wires or guys? And, how about the transverse wires from the vertical fin to the stabilizer? Again, maybe just guys? Would appreciate any help. Ben ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 1609 **********************