WWI Digest 1608 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Seeking info on Brandenberg CC flyingboat fighter by kevinkim@interlog.com (Kevin & Kimberley) 2) Re: decal printing (was Re: Aeromaster) by smperry@mindspring.com 3) Re: decal printing (was Re: Aeromaster) by John & Allison Cyganowski 4) Re: decal printing (was Re: Aeromaster) by smperry@mindspring.com 5) Re: decal printing (was Re: Aeromaster) by John & Allison Cyganowski 6) Re: Fokker V.30 (wasSeeking info on Brandenberg CC flyingboat fighter) by David & Carol Fletcher 7) Re: Fokker V.30 (wasSeeking info on Brandenberg CC flyingboat fighter) by "Robert Johnson" 8) Off topic by bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) 9) Re: Off topic by Ernest Thomas 10) Re: Off topic by Zulis@aol.com 11) RE: Aeromaster by Shane Weier 12) RE: decal printing (was Re: Aeromaster) by Shane Weier 13) Re: Waldo by "Brad Gossen" 14) Re: Off topic by "Brad Gossen" 15) Jenny again by BEN8800@aol.com 16) Crowood Aviation Series by kevinkim@interlog.com (Kevin & Kimberley) 17) RE: Plastic card sheet (WAS: Off topic) by Shane Weier 18) To Stay On Topic was Re: Off topic by smperry@mindspring.com 19) Video by BEN8800@aol.com 20) RE: Off topic by "Chris Banyai-Riepl" 21) Re: Video by smperry@mindspring.com 22) RE: Video by Shane Weier 23) Re: Video by mgoodwin@ricochet.net 24) Re: latest SAM by Matthew E Bittner 25) Re: ICM Ilya update by Matthew E Bittner 26) Re: Aeromaster by Matthew E Bittner 27) Re: Jenny again by Mike Fletcher 28) TV Alert by smperry@mindspring.com 29) Re: Off topic by David & Carol Fletcher 30) Re: decal printing (was Re: Aeromaster) by KarrArt@aol.com 31) Re: Bucky models by KarrArt@aol.com 32) Re: Off topic by "Brad Gossen" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 09:17:10 -0500 From: kevinkim@interlog.com (Kevin & Kimberley) To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Seeking info on Brandenberg CC flyingboat fighter Message-ID: >Hi Folks, > >I come seeking information on the Hansa Brandenberg CC flyingboat fighter. >/Brian >-- >Brian MacNamara macnamara@HedgehogHollow.COM >IPMS "Buzz" Beurling: http://HedgehogHollow.COM/ipms/ Brian, Welcome to the list. You've picked a "tough" first project, but what-the-heck...why not! What I wanted to note is that if you are a "Buzz" Beurling IPMS member, then you're the list's latest Canuck, and we are happy to have you (from Kevin, Bob, Mike and a few Daves). Happy modeling, Kevin Barrett. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 09:29:14 -0400 From: smperry@mindspring.com To: Subject: Re: decal printing (was Re: Aeromaster) Message-ID: <000801beaaa0$6a011e20$7c2b45cf@smp> > One thing we are all forgetting about in the talk of correcting the > Aeromaster lozenge colours is that (at least in the case of Microscale) they > give you a list of available colours and you try to work to their > tolerances. Luckily the sheet John had me do for Paaschendaele* last year > was only black and white. . but even the black and the white had to be to > their specific specs. > > Regards, > Bob Pearson Bob: Most interesting. For a company who makes a lot of money printing other peoople's decals for them, Microscale ought to worry more about their decals of any color disintegrating at the slightest touch when wet. Your artwork on the Passchendaele sheet is absolutely first rate and a fitting match for the rest of that fine kit. The decals themselves however, are as fragile and hard to handle as any of the terrible Propageteam sheets out there. They require a liberal overspray of Microscale Clear Decal Film and close trimming before they can be handled wet. Since the cure is manufactured by the same company, they should treat them before sending them to paying customers like Passchendaele. If the extra process step makes the whole thing too expensive, they need to send along a recommendation to overcoat with their fine Clear Decal Film product. I'm glad you brought up the subject because I have wanted to say something about those decals without sounding critical of your artwork or Passchendaele's kit, both of which are as excellent as things come in this hobby. sp ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 10:38:29 -0400 From: John & Allison Cyganowski To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: decal printing (was Re: Aeromaster) Message-ID: <37514D65.4E52@worldnet.att.net> My own experiance with the decals was that although thin, they worked well. I wonder if the water, ie. pH, dissolved solids, fluoride, ozone, chlorine, etc. may be causing problems? I would think that ozone would play hell with decals. Cyg. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 12:35:34 -0400 From: smperry@mindspring.com To: Subject: Re: decal printing (was Re: Aeromaster) Message-ID: <000601beaaba$715530c0$a72845cf@smp> > My own experiance with the decals was that although thin, they worked > well. I wonder if the water, ie. pH, dissolved solids, fluoride, ozone, > chlorine, etc. may be causing problems? I would think that ozone would > play hell with decals. > > Cyg. The City of St.Petersburg Public Utilities Department, my employer, disinfects the drinking water with chlorine to a Free Chlorine residual of between 1.3 & 1.5 mg/L. We do not use ozone or Flouride. While I do not know the TDS off the top of my head, it is consistently lower than the other municipal drinking water systems in the area. I would venture to guess that the difference in handling between the decal sheet you used and the one I used would be more likely attributed to variations in the thickness of the film on which the artwork was printed rather than water quality. I say this because after the serial numbers, (no film overcoat), disintrgrated, I sprayed the rest of the sheet with a light coat of Decal Film. I next tried a cross with the white field that had only the light coat of film, it developed that looked like tiny "stretch marks" when applied. After that, I laid on a heavier second coat of Decal Film over the rest of the sheet. No more problems. So perhaps in trying for the thinnest film on which to print the artwork, Microscale ocassionally gets some film stock that is a bit too thin. John, please don't take my remarks as a criticism of the Passchendaele product. I love y'alls work and can't wait for the next Passchendaele release. As for all my whining about the decals, if you want a laugh, look closely at the photo of my completed D.II and note that I got the wing markings 90 degrees off :-) http://smperry.home.mindspring.com/dii_3.jpg regards sp ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 13:40:57 -0400 From: John & Allison Cyganowski To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: decal printing (was Re: Aeromaster) Message-ID: <37517829.4B72@worldnet.att.net> smperry@mindspring.com wrote: > > John, please don't take my remarks as a criticism of the Passchendaele > product. I love y'alls work and can't wait for the next Passchendaele > release. As for all my whining about the decals, if you want a laugh, look > closely at the photo of my completed D.II and note that I got the wing > markings 90 degrees off :-) > http://smperry.home.mindspring.com/dii_3.jpg > > regards > sp Steve, This is precisely the kind of feedback we need. We paid a major mfg top dollar for a professionally printed decal sheet (which was months late to boot). They are't supposed to fragment. I may not be able to do much on price, but I might be able to reserve the right to reject the lot and have it done over. Thanks for your comments. Cyg. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 10:08:58 -0700 From: David & Carol Fletcher To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Fokker V.30 (wasSeeking info on Brandenberg CC flyingboat fighter) Message-ID: <375170AA.473E@mars.ark.com> "...then you're the list's latest Canuck, and we are happy to have you..." Statistically, then, the average member of this list is a Canadian named Dave - and is either a present or (in my case) former member of the Buzz Beurling Chapter of IPMS Canada... Mind you, as Harry Truman once said, "There are lies, there are damn lies and there are statistics". Now to jump back to topic, I've been digging through some of my old magazines. Back in the Spring 1959 edition of Air Progress, Peter Bowers did a comprehensive catalogue of Fokker types. One particularly interesting machine is the V.30, a glider conversion of the E.V/D-VIII airframe. There is one photo from the front left. Does anyone know the real purpose of this machine and are there any other photo's or drawings known to exist? One of the many Canadian Daves... Dave Fletcher IPMS/Canada #390 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 14:18:49 -0500 From: "Robert Johnson" To: Subject: Re: Fokker V.30 (wasSeeking info on Brandenberg CC flyingboat fighter) Message-ID: <000801beaad1$3fe4d240$05f99ed0@robjohn.swdata.com> Having just finished reading Fokkers autobiography. He talks about this plane in that book. Something about showing it at an air show after the war and worrying about the fact that visible under the Dutch markings are the German crosses still. It seems that this is one of the planes that he smuggled out of Germany after the war. He also, talks about how he modified the plane. Though as always it is hard to tell what he did, but it is clear that he did all the work will doing to much other work :-) rob johnson -----Original Message----- From: David & Carol Fletcher To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Sunday, May 30, 1999 1:24 PM Subject: Re: Fokker V.30 (wasSeeking info on Brandenberg CC flyingboat fighter) >"...then you're the list's latest Canuck, and we are happy to have >you..." > >Statistically, then, the average member of this list is a Canadian named >Dave - and is either a present or (in my case) former member of the Buzz >Beurling Chapter of IPMS Canada... Mind you, as Harry Truman once said, >"There are lies, there are damn lies and there are statistics". > >Now to jump back to topic, I've been digging through some of my old >magazines. Back in the Spring 1959 edition of Air Progress, Peter >Bowers did a comprehensive catalogue of Fokker types. One particularly >interesting machine is the V.30, a glider conversion of the E.V/D-VIII >airframe. There is one photo from the front left. Does anyone know the >real purpose of this machine and are there any other photo's or drawings >known to exist? > >One of the many Canadian Daves... > >Dave Fletcher >IPMS/Canada #390 > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 12:55:18 -0700 (PDT) From: bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Off topic Message-ID: <199905301955.MAA04127@compass.OregonVOS.net> Dunno what's going on 'round here to day, but so far I've had a Ford Trimotor and a B-17 fly over my house. Makes it tough to get the yardwork done as I've gotta keep stopping to watch. Gawd, there ain't nothing like the sound of radials! Cheers and all, -- Bill Shatzer - bshatzer@orednet.org "You don't need a weather man to know which way the wind blows." -Bob Dylan- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 15:12:29 -0500 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Off topic Message-ID: <37519BAD.52A3@bellsouth.net> Bill Shatzer wrote: > > Dunno what's going on 'round here to day, but so far I've had > a Ford Trimotor and a B-17 fly over my house. Could it be an invasion? Were any bombs or paratroopers dropped? E. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 16:22:23 EDT From: Zulis@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Off topic Message-ID: <8a976089.2482f7ff@aol.com> In a message dated 99-05-30 15:58:13 EDT, you write: << Dunno what's going on 'round here to day, but so far I've had a Ford Trimotor and a B-17 fly over my house. Makes it tough to get the yardwork done as I've gotta keep stopping to watch. >> After a bunch of cool ones and a few hours laying in the sun in the backyard, you would be amazed at some of the stuff that flies over my place. Never quite low enough to confirm the lozenge colours, though.... DZ :-) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 07:03:27 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Aeromaster Message-ID: <684F83DB3D13D311B0B40060B06865CD090B15@mimhexch.mim.com.au> Cyg, > > I heard this several weeks ago from a reliable source. > > If this is the culmination of what I was told, expect > > a vastly different rendition of the colours - to > > something likely to gain the approval of the majority of list > > members. > > > > Why would you expect them to change the colors? I think it would be > great if they did. If they do change the colors they will incurr > additional charges with their vendor. My guess is that they are going > to reprint and sell what they have been selling. I think it would be > worth an Email to Gaston Bernardi to encourage him to make a > change for > the better. Of course all those 1/72 folks who just needed 1 > more strip > of lozenge to complete their projects are gonna hate you. I had heard that they were seeking more accurate colour information so that they could issue a corrected set of loz. Given that Aeromaster likes to tell us all how accurate they are, they're probably fed up with the catcalls from the sidelines. It sounded likely to me since the issue of WW1 stuff from Toko with highly suspect loz is likely to create some new demand for decent aftermarket stuff. I don't recall whether I was told what scale they were supposed to be printing, but if it's only 1/72 that fits as well Shane ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 07:06:12 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: decal printing (was Re: Aeromaster) Message-ID: <684F83DB3D13D311B0B40060B06865CD090B16@mimhexch.mim.com.au> Bob, > One thing we are all forgetting about in the talk of correcting the > Aeromaster lozenge colours is that (at least in the case of > Microscale) they > give you a list of available colours and you try to work to their > tolerances. Luckily the sheet John had me do for > Paaschendaele* last year > was only black and white. . but even the black and the white > had to be to their specific specs. You can't really tell that with their (Micro/Super-scale) loz. I have complete or partials of four sheets of 4 colour, and *all* are different colours, like as if they decided to try whatever green was on hand for the green and whatever yellow etc. etc. Hardly specific specs, or specs at all. Shane ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 17:11:02 -0400 From: "Brad Gossen" To: Subject: Re: Waldo Message-ID: <199905302112.RAA15038@mail5.globalserve.net> Wow! That means I own 10% of the total Waldo 1/48 Dolphin production? WOW! Now I'm definitely afraid to build one. Brad ---------- > From: Sandy Adam > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Waldo > Date: Saturday, May 29, 1999 5:27 AM > > I had a contact from Peter Leonard (one half of the Waldo partnership) who > sadly said that Waldo was no more. > Interestingly, he'd come across the picture of my version of his 1/48 > Sopwith Dolphin in the Images Gallery - he said it was one of less that 20 > ever produced!!! > Just shows how short-run, some of the short-run kits are. > Sandy ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 17:30:31 -0400 From: "Brad Gossen" To: Subject: Re: Off topic Message-ID: <199905302208.SAA16630@mail5.globalserve.net> In the last 2 days I've had fly over, a Waco Taperwing, a DH Tigermoth and a vic of 3 Harvards, not to mention the daily DC-3, all below 500 feet. So far I've managed to mow the deck and varnish the lawn. God I love summer! To stay on topic - where does one find plastic card ala Harry Woodman? I've tried Michaels craft supplies, Lewiscraft, several hardware stores and art supply stores (Currys and Loomis & Toles) with no luck. Brad ---------- > From: Bill Shatzer > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Off topic > Date: Sunday, May 30, 1999 3:56 PM > > > > > Dunno what's going on 'round here to day, but so far I've had > a Ford Trimotor and a B-17 fly over my house. Makes it tough to > get the yardwork done as I've gotta keep stopping to watch. > > Gawd, there ain't nothing like the sound of radials! > > Cheers and all, > > > -- > Bill Shatzer - bshatzer@orednet.org > > "You don't need a weather man to know which way the wind blows." > -Bob Dylan- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 18:16:59 EDT From: BEN8800@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Jenny again Message-ID: <8e2e3a58.248312db@aol.com> The Jenny like all bi wing planes has flying wires angled up and outward that take the forces when landing. The wire going down and inward are lift wires, which I assume take the loads when the plane is rising. Now, the Jenny has kingposts on top of the wing, with guy wires. Am I correct in assuming that these are essentually lift wires since the upper wing sticks over the lower wing quite a bit. There is no lift wire between the wings outboard. The kingposts guy wires do that job. Ben ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 18:33:47 -0500 From: kevinkim@interlog.com (Kevin & Kimberley) To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Crowood Aviation Series Message-ID: Hello List, Does anyone know how many books are currently on-topic in the new Crowood Aviation series? I've seen the Royal Aircraft Factory book, and have purchased the Sopwith book. Are there others available? Thanks, Kevin Barrett. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 08:27:13 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Plastic card sheet (WAS: Off topic) Message-ID: <684F83DB3D13D311B0B40060B06865CD090B17@mimhexch.mim.com.au> Brad, > To stay on topic - where does one find plastic card ala > Harry Woodman? > I've tried Michaels craft supplies, Lewiscraft, several > hardware stores and > art supply stores (Currys and Loomis & Toles) with no luck. We you could buy it from a hobby store, packaged by the likes of Evergreen - at inflated prices for small sheets. However, I get mine from an industrial plastics distributor who will sell it in single sheet quantities. The sheets are usually about 5 foot by 3, and cost me no more than A$4 (US$3 approx) You should ask for High Impact Polystyrene Sheet (HIPS) in thicknesses from 10 thou up. Shane ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 18:28:24 -0400 From: smperry@mindspring.com To: Subject: To Stay On Topic was Re: Off topic Message-ID: <001301beaaeb$bb982760$2c2c45cf@smp> Brad: For supplies of plastic card, strip & rod, try a local hobby shop that caters to the railroad crowd. They usually have racks of Evergreen and Plastruct products not to mention scale lumber out of basswood and Grandt Line goodies like turnbuckles and bolt heads. hth sp ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 18:29:06 EDT From: BEN8800@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Video Message-ID: <32fbc25e.248315b2@aol.com> That Video I was talking about shows the assembly of an American made DH-4 in France. Is that the Liberty someone mentioned? They keep mentioning Liberty in the video. Isn't this a deHaviland DH 4. Is it called a liberty? Ben ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 15:49:54 -0700 From: "Chris Banyai-Riepl" To: Subject: RE: Off topic Message-ID: <000401beaaee$bbe5a3c0$705a33d1@ntworkstation> > To stay on topic - where does one find plastic card ala Harry Woodman? > I've tried Michaels craft supplies, Lewiscraft, several hardware > stores and > art supply stores (Currys and Loomis & Toles) with no luck. > A very cheap source of plastic card is For Sale signs. These are generally around 20 thou in thickness, and some of the larger ones get to be 40 thou or 60 thou. Sure, they have stuff printed on them, but you can either strip that off or just leave it on and paint over it. Check around at your local hardware store for them. They generally run much less than the hobby-specific plastic card stocks. Chris Banyai-Riepl Publisher/Editor Internet Modeler http://www.internetmodeler.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 18:53:22 -0400 From: smperry@mindspring.com To: Subject: Re: Video Message-ID: <001001beaaef$38b14580$822845cf@smp> > That Video I was talking about shows the assembly of an American made DH-4 in > France. Is that the Liberty someone mentioned? They keep mentioning Liberty > in the video. Isn't this a deHaviland DH 4. Is it called a liberty? > > Ben Ben: Precisely. The only real American technical contribution to the air war was the Liberty engine, a 12 cyl, 400 hp powerplant manufactured by Packard. The DH-4 was built under license and much modification in the US and was engined with the Liberty and hence aquired the name "Liberty Plane". sp ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 08:57:22 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Video Message-ID: <684F83DB3D13D311B0B40060B06865CD090B1A@mimhexch.mim.com.au> Ben, > That Video I was talking about shows the assembly of an > American made DH-4 in > France. Is that the Liberty someone mentioned? They keep > mentioning Liberty > in the video. Isn't this a deHaviland DH 4. Is it called a liberty? "Liberty" engine, I should think. There were a series of engines produces in the USA intended to have maximum commonality of parts and design for mass manufacture. Unfortunately the problems that beset that program, plus ill advised matches between motor and airframes rather blighted US aircraft production in the later part of WW1 - to the extent that really only the liberty engined DH-4 made it to war in significant numbers. Get hold of NASM's book on the DH-4, which covers this in considerable detail Shane ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 04:02:37 -0700 From: mgoodwin@ricochet.net To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Video Message-ID: <37526C4C.37B5@ricochet.net> Shane Weier wrote: > Get hold of NASM's book on the DH-4, which covers this in considerable > detail Actually, Ben, you sorta already have. The list library has a worn copy of this book, and a local shop still has a few of them marked down. Riordan ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 18:24:06 -0500 From: Matthew E Bittner To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: latest SAM Message-ID: <19990530.183716.-1004775.3.mbittner@juno.com> On Sun, 30 May 1999 06:23:33 -0400 (EDT) "Sandy Adam" writes: > >> .has a very nice colour photo build-review of the JMGT Pfalz > > >Also has a build up review of the Toko Nie.11 ...... > > Different issue Matt. SAM v21/4 has JMGT Pfalz and Toko W29 > on-topic. Whoops! Sorry. I picked up SAMI V5 N4, and it too had a review of the JMGT Pfalz. Again, sorry. Matt Bittner http://www.geocities.com/~ipmsfortcrook http://www.discoveromaha.com/community/groups/plasticmodelers/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 18:19:47 -0500 From: Matthew E Bittner To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Cc: xopowo@oz.net Subject: Re: ICM Ilya update Message-ID: <19990530.183716.-1004775.2.mbittner@juno.com> On Sat, 29 May 1999 22:09:08 -0400 (EDT) "Robert Johnson" writes: > I got my ICM kit and the "Armada" (by the way that is just a > misinterpretation of the Cyrillic(sp?) of the company's Russian name > M-model) book for NKR. "Armada" is the imprint name (like "In Action") published by M-Hobby. At least that's what those who know the language tell me. ;-) Matt Bittner http://www.geocities.com/~ipmsfortcrook http://www.discoveromaha.com/community/groups/plasticmodelers/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 18:24:46 -0500 From: Matthew E Bittner To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Aeromaster Message-ID: <19990530.183716.-1004775.4.mbittner@juno.com> On Sun, 30 May 1999 07:48:26 -0400 (EDT) John & Allison Cyganowski writes: > Why would you expect them to change the colors? I think it would be > great if they did. If they do change the colors they will incurr > additional charges with their vendor. My guess is that they are > going > to reprint and sell what they have been selling. I think it would > be > worth an Email to Gaston Bernardi to encourage him to make a change > for > the better. Of course all those 1/72 folks who just needed 1 more > strip > of lozenge to complete their projects are gonna hate you. Those with ALPS don't need these... ;-) Matt Bittner http://www.geocities.com/~ipmsfortcrook http://www.discoveromaha.com/community/groups/plasticmodelers/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 16:49:58 -0700 From: Mike Fletcher To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Jenny again Message-ID: <3751CEA6.DCF793F@mars.ark.com> BEN8800@aol.com wrote: > > The Jenny like all bi wing planes has flying wires angled up and outward that > take the forces when landing. The wire going down and inward are lift wires, > which I assume take the loads when the plane is rising. Now, the Jenny has > kingposts on top of the wing, with guy wires. Am I correct in assuming that > these are essentually lift wires since the upper wing sticks over the lower > wing quite a bit. There is no lift wire between the wings outboard. The > kingposts guy wires do that job. > > Ben wing wires are divided into two types - landing wires and flying wires. (not counting control lines) Landing wires keep the wings from sagging on landing and generally run upper inboard to lower outboard, or over the wing with monoplanes. Flying wires keep the wings from folding up when flying and run inboard low to outboard high, or under the wing on a monoplane. The kingpost helps support the outer panel, in conjunction with flying wires running from the base of outboard strut to the spars. The kingpost replaces the extra full strut to the lower wing and consists of a pair flying wires running both outboard and inboard - ie they are not helping hold the wings down, but rather up - as do landing wires. Struts can be used, as on the MoS AI, or the Ansaldo SVA.5 to relace some of this rigging. -- Mike Fletcher ___ ., mdf@mars.ark.com |-\|^----! ; mikef@sparc.nic.bc.ca |--n--""*" icq=19554083 @ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 21:03:12 -0400 From: smperry@mindspring.com To: Subject: TV Alert Message-ID: <001001beab01$5b7ba760$132b45cf@smp> Just starting (9pm EST) on History Chanel (US). "WWI Germany's Secret Gambols" FWIW sp ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 17:31:31 -0700 From: David & Carol Fletcher To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Off topic Message-ID: <3751D863.3378@mars.ark.com> Brad Gossen wrote: "where does one find plastic card ala Harry Woodman?" I bought large quantities of 4' x 8' sheets and 4' x 5' sheets from Cadillac Plastics and a couple of other industrial plastic places (look in the Yellow Pages) in 10 thou and 20 thou thicknesses. I used it for profile paintings, which I did using model enamels on styrene and for a myriad of modelling purposes. I still have enough left to scratchbuild the WWII Luftwaffe, if I worked in Matt's scale... The big aviation thrill here today was me doing circuits and bumps in "The Clockwork Orange" - and one of the few remaining deHavilland Canada Buffaloes barging through the circuit on the way to Comox without regard for we little guys! Dave Fletcher (who actually got back to work on the D.H.10A!!!!!) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 22:37:30 EDT From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: decal printing (was Re: Aeromaster) Message-ID: In a message dated 5/30/99 10:43:59 AM Pacific Daylight Time, Janah@worldnet.att.net writes: << smperry@mindspring.com wrote: > > John, please don't take my remarks as a criticism of the Passchendaele > product. I love y'alls work and can't wait for the next Passchendaele > release. As for all my whining about the decals, if you want a laugh, look > closely at the photo of my completed D.II and note that I got the wing > markings 90 degrees off :-) > http://smperry.home.mindspring.com/dii_3.jpg > > regards > sp Steve, This is precisely the kind of feedback we need. We paid a major mfg top dollar for a professionally printed decal sheet (which was months late to boot). They are't supposed to fragment. I may not be able to do much on price, but I might be able to reserve the right to reject the lot and have it done over. Thanks for your comments. Cyg. >> My two dead snails worth: I had heard that there were shatter problems with the Albatros conversion set decals, and was a little butterfly-filled as I went to apply them. Maybe I lucked out, because I had no probelms at all. Thin and tasty, they were ....fun ! And I don't really enjoy decaling all that much. But this also means that using them has become a gamble if some are fine and some 't'ain't. Robert K. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 22:37:33 EDT From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Bucky models Message-ID: In a message dated 5/29/99 11:51:54 PM Pacific Daylight Time, ethomas6@bellsouth.net writes: << Robert M. Farrar wrote: > Man!! No kiddding!! > I gave up on an Eduard Fok.D VIII a couple of years ago > due to the cockpit; which was ENTIRELY p.e.!! > That was no fun at all! But now I know better! (1/72 Drules!!). In reply to; > >Very nice job on the early Eduards, anyone actually 'finishing' an early > >Eduard model should get a special medal ;) To which EtH replies in his snidely fashion; Pish! E. Ward, I'm worried about the Beaver. >> My solution to all that brass in the early Eduards was to not use most of it. Gimme some sprue and I'll whip out a lovely control stick and some tubular framing much quicker than chewing through a sheet of wobbly metal.( and it'll be more accurate) Robert K. P.S. I've seen fuzzy photos of EtH in his snidely fashion- he really needs to get a better quality shabby black top hat ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 22:39:00 -0400 From: "Brad Gossen" To: Subject: Re: Off topic Message-ID: <199905310240.WAA25122@mail5.globalserve.net> Many thanks to all for plastic card advice. I'll get right it on first thing tomorrow, starting with the for sale signs. I was just out back enjoying the starry solitude and watching satellites when the biggest damn satellite I ever saw went screaming bye. I could just make out the Shuttle's shape (using a pair of Steiner binoculars). Very big, very bright and passed horizon to horizon in less than a minute and a half. I assume, judging by the size, that it's still connected to the space station components. Couldn't help thinking that in several minutes it would likely be passing over the battlefields of Belgium and France. Mind boggling. Brad ---------- > From: David & Carol Fletcher > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: Off topic > Date: Sunday, May 30, 1999 9:44 PM > > Brad Gossen wrote: > > "where does one find plastic card ala Harry Woodman?" I bought large > quantities of 4' x 8' sheets and 4' x 5' sheets from Cadillac Plastics > and a couple of other industrial plastic places (look in the Yellow > Pages) in 10 thou and 20 thou thicknesses. I used it for profile > paintings, which I did using model enamels on styrene and for a myriad > of modelling purposes. I still have enough left to scratchbuild the > WWII Luftwaffe, if I worked in Matt's scale... > > The big aviation thrill here today was me doing circuits and bumps in > "The Clockwork Orange" - and one of the few remaining deHavilland Canada > Buffaloes barging through the circuit on the way to Comox without regard > for we little guys! > > Dave Fletcher > (who actually got back to work on the D.H.10A!!!!!) ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 1608 **********************