WWI Digest 1606 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Alps Printers/Decals by KarrArt@aol.com 2) Re: Alps Printers/Decals by Ernest Thomas 3) Re: AFS Ambulance paint scemes by "Alberto Rada" 4) Re: AFS Ambulance paint scemes by Pedro e Francisca Soares 5) Re:British Sports Cars? by "Mike" 6) Re: American Ambulance paint scemes by Russell W Niles 7) Re: Alps Printers/Decals by "Robert M. Farrar" 8) RE: British Sports Cars? by "Chris Banyai-Riepl" 9) Re: British Sports Cars? by Ernest Thomas 10) British Sports cars ( wasRe: Alps Printers/Decals) by "Bob Pearson" 11) Re: British Sports Cars? by "Brad Gossen" 12) postie and latest AGO CI DF by "Sandy Adam" 13) Waldo by "Sandy Adam" 14) RE: postie and latest AGO CI DF by Shane Weier 15) Re: postie and latest AGO CI DF by John & Allison Cyganowski 16) RE: postie and latest AGO CI DF by Shane Weier 17) ALPS Advice, Please... by Suvoroff@aol.com 18) Re: ALPS Advice, Please... by John & Allison Cyganowski 19) Re: postie and latest AGO CI DF by Matthew E Bittner 20) Re: ALPS Advice, Please... by Matthew E Bittner 21) ICM Ilya update by smperry@mindspring.com 22) Re: Verville Fellowship at NASM by "Robert Johnson" 23) Re: Verville Fellowship at NASM by Dave Wadman 24) latest AGO CI DF by "Sandy Adam" 25) latest SAM by "Sandy Adam" 26) WW 1 Video by BEN8800@aol.com 27) Re: ICM Ilya update by "Robert Johnson" 28) Seeking info on Brandenberg CC flyingboat fighter by Brian MacNamara 29) Re: ICM Ilya update by smperry@mindspring.com 30) Re: WW 1 Video by smperry@mindspring.com 31) Re: Jenny Engine by David & Carol Fletcher 32) Ilya Muromets by Len Smith ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 19:09:42 EDT From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Alps Printers/Decals Message-ID: <343ea740.24807c36@aol.com> In a message dated 5/28/99 4:07:14 PM Pacific Daylight Time, lfendy@firstsaga.com writes: << This might be old news but for those making decals using the Alps printers there is a mailing list available at www.onelist.com called "alpsdecals". Len E. >> An ALPS! One of these days! Robert K. who was starting to wonder if he had been unsubscribed...must be a SLOW day! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 18:39:49 -0500 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Alps Printers/Decals Message-ID: <374F2945.4E7E@bellsouth.net> KarrArt@aol.com wrote: > who was starting to wonder if he had been unsubscribed...must be a SLOW day! Looks to be. I came home to 10 messages, as opposed to the usual 25 to 40. And 4 of those didn't even come from the list. Let's take advantage of the quiet time and start some terribly off topic thread. :) Shane the Younger and I were discussing British sports cars off list. E. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 19:41:01 -0400 From: "Alberto Rada" To: Subject: Re: AFS Ambulance paint scemes Message-ID: <002b01bea963$8c151180$4b8131ce@telcel.telcel.net.ve> Hi list Thanks for all the info ( please keep it coming ) Just wanted to share this site that I just found, Its absolutely incredible, also for all that it adds in WW1 Also go to the photo section http://raven.cc.ukans.edu/~libsite/wwi-www/FriendsFrance/ffTC.htm#TC SALUDOS Alberto ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 00:46:30 +0100 From: Pedro e Francisca Soares To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: AFS Ambulance paint scemes Message-ID: <374F2AD6.DBEF45DD@mail.telepac.pt> Alberto Rada wrote: > .Just wanted to share this site that I just found, > Its absolutely incredible, also for all that it adds in > WW1 > Gracias Alberto. Mucho interessante. Um Abraço Pedro ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 17:03:07 -0700 From: "Mike" To: Subject: Re:British Sports Cars? Message-ID: <001401bea966$a26a8200$a98c3ace@default> > > who was starting to wonder if he had been unsubscribed...must be a SLOW day! > > Looks to be. I came home to 10 messages, as opposed to the usual 25 to > 40. And 4 of those didn't even come from the list. > Let's take advantage of the quiet time and start some terribly off topic > thread. :) > Shane the Younger and I were discussing British sports cars off list. > E. > Does this mean we can debate the true color of British Racing Green? It is as big a controversy as PC-10! Having once owned two MGs (didn't get custody in the last divorce), the link to our on topic discussion of tempermental, rickety stringbag crates is evident! Mike Dicianna "Der Rote Modellflugzeugbauer" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 17:09:36 -0700 From: Russell W Niles To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: American Ambulance paint scemes Message-ID: <19990528.170936.-301931.4.r_niles1@juno.com> On Fri, 28 May 1999 11:13:52 -0400 (EDT) "Charles and Linda Duckworth" writes: >>Alberto >There's a book published in 1996 titled 'Gentlemen Volunteers The >Story of >the American Ambulance Drives in the Great War' by Arlen Hansen >ISBN; 1-55970-313-X. $27.95 (USD) at the time but I got mine through >Hamilton Book Seller for less, several photos of uniforms (that were >basically up to the purchaser what made up a uniform) and the cars. Snip I just went through my Hamilton newsletter, and remember seeing that this book is still available. And, I might add, at a ridiculously cheap price. The problem is, I looked at it at work, and threw it away. So I no longer even have the newsletter. However, I believe that Hamilton is either on the web, or you can usually find their add in the back of some magazines. Such as Pop. Mechanics, and I believe Sunset. Russ Niles IPMS 4450 Too close for missles...switching to guns. ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 19:15:05 -0500 From: "Robert M. Farrar" To: Subject: Re: Alps Printers/Decals Message-ID: <014101bea969$19302b40$4f3588cf@rmf> Well o.k. I'll bite!, Bf 10- thingeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!!!!!! Better yet, any WW 2 Soviet FUNKY AFV !!!!!! :-) HOWZAT?? Bob -----Original Message----- From: Ernest Thomas To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Friday, May 28, 1999 6:44 PM Subject: Re: Alps Printers/Decals >KarrArt@aol.com wrote: > >> who was starting to wonder if he had been unsubscribed...must be a SLOW day! > >Looks to be. I came home to 10 messages, as opposed to the usual 25 to >40. And 4 of those didn't even come from the list. >Let's take advantage of the quiet time and start some terribly off topic >thread. :) >Shane the Younger and I were discussing British sports cars off list. >E. > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 17:28:32 -0700 From: "Chris Banyai-Riepl" To: Subject: RE: British Sports Cars? Message-ID: <000901bea96a$2e525dd0$575a33d1@ntworkstation> << Does this mean we can debate the true color of British Racing Green? It is as big a controversy as PC-10! >> Actually, I heard that BRG was actually a derivative of PC10, and all the idiosyncrasies of PC10 carried over into the new BRG. Also, by removing the yellow color from this BRG/PC10 lineage, you get Schneider Blue, another wonderfully difficult British color to track down. Chris Banyai-Riepl Publisher/Editor Internet Modeler http://www.internetmodeler.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 20:02:49 -0500 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: British Sports Cars? Message-ID: <374F3CB9.53F4@bellsouth.net> Chris Banyai-Riepl wrote: > << Does this mean we can debate the true color of British Racing Green? > It > is as big a controversy as PC-10! >> > > Actually, I heard that BRG was actually a derivative of PC10, and all the > idiosyncrasies of PC10 carried over into the new BRG. (snip) Now look what I've gone and done. ;) E. The man who put the 'drag' in 'drag queen'. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 18:44:47 -0700 From: "Bob Pearson" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: British Sports cars ( wasRe: Alps Printers/Decals) Message-ID: <199905290201.TAA24331@mail.rapidnet.net> Now I don;t mean for this to start the thread again, but go check the archives for the thread on British Sports cars, guys named Nigel and other assorted topics from about this time two years ago for a real hoot. Bob ---------- >From: Ernest Thomas >To: Multiple recipients of list >Subject: Re: Alps Printers/Decals >Date: Fri, May 28, 1999, 4:41 PM > >KarrArt@aol.com wrote: > >> who was starting to wonder if he had been unsubscribed...must be a SLOW day! > >Looks to be. I came home to 10 messages, as opposed to the usual 25 to >40. And 4 of those didn't even come from the list. >Let's take advantage of the quiet time and start some terribly off topic >thread. :) >Shane the Younger and I were discussing British sports cars off list. >E. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 23:13:32 -0400 From: "Brad Gossen" To: Subject: Re: British Sports Cars? Message-ID: <199905290319.XAA23067@mail6.globalserve.net> Ernest wrote: The man who put the 'drag' in 'drag queen'. Funny, I always thought that was J. Edgar Hoover. Maybe I'm thinking of 'drag net'? Maybe he was thinking 'fish net'? My, but it's a SLOW night! Brad ---------- > From: Ernest Thomas > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: British Sports Cars? > Date: Friday, May 28, 1999 9:04 PM > > Chris Banyai-Riepl wrote: > > > << Does this mean we can debate the true color of British Racing Green? > > It > > is as big a controversy as PC-10! >> > > > > Actually, I heard that BRG was actually a derivative of PC10, and all the > > idiosyncrasies of PC10 carried over into the new BRG. > (snip) > > Now look what I've gone and done. ;) > E. > The man who put the 'drag' in 'drag queen'. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 10:22:45 +0100 From: "Sandy Adam" To: Subject: postie and latest AGO CI DF Message-ID: <003001bea9b4$d116eaa0$0de8b094@sandyada> What is it about the IQ of postmen? Ray Rimmell puts the latest WS & DF into an A4 padded envelope with "DO NOT BEND" emblazoned in red ink. What does my postie do? Bends the bloody thing in half to get it in the door. The latest AGO Datafile now has a damn great crack fold down the middle of the back cover. The following morning the same postie rang the doorbell at 6:45am to get me to sign for a recorded delivery package. Great, which rare WWI book ordered over the Internet might this be? I thought, in my sleep befuddled sate. Ooops sorry, wrong house said he! (Can you imagine the language in a quiet Scottish town at that time in the morning?) I am now considering a use for old scalpel blades - like lining the outside of the letterbox! Sandy ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 10:27:26 +0100 From: "Sandy Adam" To: Subject: Waldo Message-ID: <004501bea9b5$78a35f60$0de8b094@sandyada> I had a contact from Peter Leonard (one half of the Waldo partnership) who sadly said that Waldo was no more. Interestingly, he'd come across the picture of my version of his 1/48 Sopwith Dolphin in the Images Gallery - he said it was one of less that 20 ever produced!!! Just shows how short-run, some of the short-run kits are. Sandy ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 19:28:20 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: postie and latest AGO CI DF Message-ID: <684F83DB3D13D311B0B40060B06865CD090B0C@mimhexch.mim.com.au> Awwwr Sandy ! > door. The latest AGO Datafile now has a damn great crack fold down the > middle of the back cover. Please, please puhleeease, now tell us about the *inside* of the datafile. Shane ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 05:59:06 -0400 From: John & Allison Cyganowski To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: postie and latest AGO CI DF Message-ID: <374FBA6A.32D1@worldnet.att.net> Shane Weier wrote: > > Awwwr Sandy ! > > > door. The latest AGO Datafile now has a damn great crack fold down the > > middle of the back cover. > > Please, please puhleeease, now tell us about the *inside* of the datafile. > > Shane Oh, I'll bet the crack is there too! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 21:38:22 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: postie and latest AGO CI DF Message-ID: <684F83DB3D13D311B0B40060B06865CD090B0D@mimhexch.mim.com.au> Cyg > > Please, please puhleeease, now tell us about the *inside* > > of the datafile. > > > > Oh, I'll bet the crack is there too! > Hardy har. Being a Scot I bet he'd feel shortchanged if it wasn't ;-) OTOH I'd still like a brief review. The AGO's are pretty odd, and my refs show very few photos. I'm frequently amazed at the amount of stuff that surfaces when the datafile appears, but *sometimes* they seem a bit padded out with tiny illegible 3-views from original manuals which are at best on peripheral interest to the craziest historian. Kind of wondering about the completeness of the coverage . Shane ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 08:32:28 EDT From: Suvoroff@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: ALPS Advice, Please... Message-ID: <2285b11.2481385c@aol.com> Can those who have made and used their own ALPS decals let me know if there is any special thing I need to know for applying these. For example, do I need to overspray the decals before using them? How fragile are they? Is the white translucent? Do they respond well or poorly to decal set or decal solvents? I am on the verge of running off my first sheet and I have the victim...er, test model all ready and waiting. Thanks in advance for any help I can get from y'uns. Yours, James D. Gray ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 09:48:56 -0400 From: John & Allison Cyganowski To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: ALPS Advice, Please... Message-ID: <374FF048.6410@worldnet.att.net> Hi James, I don't have an answer for you, rather a question. What model Alps did you purchase and why? What drawing software do you use? Thanks Cyg. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 09:38:14 -0500 From: Matthew E Bittner To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: postie and latest AGO CI DF Message-ID: <19990529.094547.-827911.0.mbittner@juno.com> Sandy, Sorry to hear. Seems like all postmen everywhere have the same lack of intelligence. However, one thing you forgot to mention: the content of the latest Windsock! C'mon, what's in it? :-) Matt Bittner http://www.geocities.com/~ipmsfortcrook http://www.discoveromaha.com/community/groups/plasticmodelers/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 09:45:45 -0500 From: Matthew E Bittner To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: ALPS Advice, Please... Message-ID: <19990529.094547.-827911.2.mbittner@juno.com> On Sat, 29 May 1999 08:33:42 -0400 (EDT) Suvoroff@aol.com writes: > Can those who have made and used their own ALPS decals let me > know if > there is any special thing I need to know for applying these. For > example, > do I need to overspray the decals before using them? How fragile > are they? > Is the white translucent? Do they respond well or poorly to decal > set or > decal solvents? I am on the verge of running off my first sheet and > I have > the victim...er, test model all ready and waiting. > Thanks in advance for any help I can get from y'uns. You can have the ALPS overspray with a clear, protective covering. However, it is - I believe - extra cost. Barring that, you definitely want to put a protective coat over them at some point. I have been doing mine on the model. You do have to handle these very carefully because you can rub the image off. Another word of advice from experience - don't try to put oils over an unprotected ALPS decal. Doesn't work. :-) The white is the only "color" that is truly opaque enough. All other decals have to go over a white image of themselves. The other "colors" will be lost within the colors of the paint on the model. We're trying to first print a white image on the decal, then the other "colors" to see if that works. I will ask my source on how that is coming along. I have used all solvents with ALPS decals - the Microscale line (Microset and Microsol) as well as Solvaset. While you don't want to use a lot of Solvaset on an ALPS decal, a little is fine. HTH. Can't wait to see your first "ALPS" model! Matt Bittner http://www.geocities.com/~ipmsfortcrook http://www.discoveromaha.com/community/groups/plasticmodelers/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 11:08:47 -0400 From: smperry@mindspring.com To: Subject: ICM Ilya update Message-ID: <001501bea9e5$27683be0$2f2845cf@smp> I discovered a necessity with the ICM Ilya kit. You simply have to flat sand any parts that join in a bilateral seam, (engines, tanks, fuselage halves..) This isn't a "shake the box and out comes a great model" kinda kit. It is a "shake the box and apply liberal doses of effort and basic modeling technique and out comes a great model" kinda kit. Definitely a "Dicta Ira" project, lots of modeling fun here. sp ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 10:22:19 -0500 From: "Robert Johnson" To: Subject: Re: Verville Fellowship at NASM Message-ID: <003401bea9e7$14210380$05f99ed0@robjohn.swdata.com> A belated congratulations rob johnson -----Original Message----- From: Carl J. Bobrow To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Thursday, May 27, 1999 12:44 AM Subject: Verville Fellowship at NASM >Hello all, well since it is official here is the scoop, the Verville >Fellowship for 1999 was awarded to yours truly, for those of you who do not >know what this is all about here is the short version, it is a full >fellowship provided by the Smithsonian Institution to research and write on >either aviation or space history at NASM for one year, it is one of three >full fellowships available at Air & Space. Posted below is the brief >summary section of my proposal, thought some of you might like to know. >ta ta >cjb (*<~ > > >VERVILLE FELLOWSHIP: RESEARCH PROJECT SUMMARY >Title Proposed Research Project: The Debut and Impact of the First Long >Range Bomber During World War One > >This project is intended to evaluate the development, utilization, and >effect of the long range multi-engine bomber, first conceptualized and >produced in Russia during World War One. I will investigate the nature >and importance of the technology transfer and the matrix of operational >uses which were made by Russia's allies and her enemies with regard to this >type of aircraft, and examine how this aircraft would ultimately impact on >the Soviet Union's future bomber fleet as well as look at Stalin's >obsession with airpower. >The advent of the airplane changed the future of warfare significantly. >This new and potentially lethal weapon evolved dramatically during WW I. >The long range bomber would force a paradigm shift in military policy in >response to public fear and pressure. Distant cities and rear staging >areas were suddenly susceptible to destructive attacks. The historiography >of the bomber focuses almost exclusively on Anglo-American and German >development. The antecedents of the modern bomber and the experiments in >strategic and tactical bombardment first appeared during the Great War. To >what degree the Russian deployment was influential still needs to be >ascertained. >In part my proposed study will focus on the Russian experiment in long >range reconnaissance and bombing during WWI, and will be based on primary >source documentation. I will examine the design and history of this >innovative aircraft, the evolving air doctrine incorporated, and the air >operations of this new weapon with special attention to its scope and >effectiveness. >During the war Italy, Germany, England, France and the United States also >built and deployed long range bombers. These countries made innovative >technological and military advances while utilizing these aircraft. Though >not thoroughly investigated, there is credible evidence which indicates the >Russian design was influential in terms of the technology transfer and >contributed to the doctrinal precepts employed. In this study I hope to >provide insight into this crucial but neglected aspect of history by >comparing the respective development and deployment of the various >combatants. >Shortly after the Soviets seized control the importance of airpower and >air-mindedness became forever entwined with their political manifesto. >Eventually Stalin would bring this to a new pitch with epic flights and >grandiose aircraft. Though the Soviets were quick to condemn Imperial >Russia as being backward and inconsequential to the new and emerging >Russia, we can see how important the prewar development of Russian aviation >was, with none greater or more influential than Igor Sikorsky's >multi-engine designs. The transitional period between Imperial and Soviet >Russia, is only now been recognized as an important and leading influence >in Soviet air-doctrine development. It is at that point in Soviet history >that I will conclude my research. >Most of the research material needed for this project exists exclusively in >The National Air and Space Museum's Russian/Soviet Aviation Collection, >including numerous primary source documents and photographs. An equally >important factor is the invaluable assistance available from the Air and >Space staff. Von Hardesty will lend his expertise on the subject and has >offered to furnish the necessary guidance. I also intend to consult with >Tom Crouch, John Anderson and Michael Neufeld on a variety of relational >topics. The anticipated outcome will be the publication of a book on the >subject as well as two or more interpretive articles during the fellowship >period. > > > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 09:44:02 -0700 From: Dave Wadman To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Verville Fellowship at NASM Message-ID: <37501952.6F1C@nucleus.com> Likewise from me too. Dave W. Robert Johnson wrote: > > A belated congratulations > > rob johnson > > -----Original Message----- > From: Carl J. Bobrow > To: Multiple recipients of list > Date: Thursday, May 27, 1999 12:44 AM > Subject: Verville Fellowship at NASM > > >Hello all, well since it is official here is the scoop, the Verville > >Fellowship for 1999 was awarded to yours truly, for those of you who do not > >know what this is all about here is the short version, it is a full > >fellowship provided by the Smithsonian Institution to research and write on > >either aviation or space history at NASM for one year, it is one of three > >full fellowships available at Air & Space. Posted below is the brief > >summary section of my proposal, thought some of you might like to know. > >ta ta ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 17:21:35 +0100 From: "Sandy Adam" To: Subject: latest AGO CI DF Message-ID: <002a01bea9ef$68dacc00$2de8b094@sandyada> >Please, please puhleeease, now tell us about the *inside* of the datafile. Sorry guys - sometimes when I've reported on new WSs etc, I've kinda felt I might spoil the pleasure so I stopped doing it - but if it might spoil, read no further..... DF75 - AGO CI by Peter Grosz. 34pp incl covers. 82 photographs including some stunning shots - one in a hangar with reflections in puddles is just beautiful. Some good flying shots too!!! One pic (18) shows a Bavarian AGO in the snow with the crew on skis!! I wouldn't have believed there could be this many pics of AGOs around. Lots of guys standing in front of planes showing much close-up detail. Unfortunately no interior shots but plenty of Mercedes engine and uncovered wing structures. Also 3 pics of the Navy AGO on floats. Excellent new drawings in both scales by Martin Digmayer. (Pray for a CSM kit??)Colour profiles are all CDL/plywood I was surprised that only 64 were ever ordered and not more than 23 in front-line service at any of the reported dates. (Thinking of BS comments about "insignificant" numbers of RFC SPAD 13s!) Worth the money? - Oh Yes. Sandy ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 17:39:47 +0100 From: "Sandy Adam" To: Subject: latest SAM Message-ID: <003301bea9f1$dea32980$2de8b094@sandyada> ..has a very nice colour photo build-review of the JMGT Pfalz Eindecker over 4 pages. I must get these Camels out of the way and get the Pfalzes up next! (Or was it to be the Albatros series?) Sandy ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 12:57:32 EDT From: BEN8800@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: WW 1 Video Message-ID: <5d02149.2481767c@aol.com> I have a neat video, maybe some or most of you have seen it. It's WW 1, America Takes to the Air. I have Vol 111 which shows a lot of Jennys flying at Minneola Field, NY in 1918. Terrific shots. Even the old OX-5 close up clicking away. Also some great scenes of assembling a plane (not Jenny) out of a box. Those guys must have been model builders. Video also shows the 91st Aero Squadron in Condreville, France in 1918. Ben ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 12:25:37 -0500 From: "Robert Johnson" To: Subject: Re: ICM Ilya update Message-ID: <002301bea9f8$44d2c5c0$05f99ed0@robjohn.swdata.com> Thanks for the tip. I just got a copy of the FSM article by Bob Rice on his 1/32 IM. It has a to scale template for the canopy of the G.3 version. Maybe that floatplane prototype pictured in the references that I wanted to try is not so far fetched?? rob johnson -----Original Message----- From: smperry@mindspring.com To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Saturday, May 29, 1999 10:13 AM Subject: ICM Ilya update >I discovered a necessity with the ICM Ilya kit. You simply have to flat sand >any parts that join in a bilateral seam, (engines, tanks, fuselage halves..) > >This isn't a "shake the box and out comes a great model" kinda kit. It is a >"shake the box and apply liberal doses of effort and basic modeling >technique and out comes a great model" kinda kit. > >Definitely a "Dicta Ira" project, lots of modeling fun here. >sp > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 13:26:51 -0400 From: Brian MacNamara To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Cc: macnamara@HedgehogHollow.COM Subject: Seeking info on Brandenberg CC flyingboat fighter Message-ID: <19990529132651.A2746@HedgehogHollow.COM> Hi Folks, I come seeking information on the Hansa Brandenberg CC flyingboat fighter. I'm actually interested in a particular one -- known as the A11, or 'Blue Wonder' as flown by Linienschiffsleutnant Gottfried Banfield (Austrian-Hungarian Imperial & Royal Navy). Here's what I do (sort-of) know about this a/c. - I have a photo of it: http://HedgehogHollow.com/ipms/img/hc-cc-a11.jpg - It was a custom-built (for Banfield) variation of the CC flyingboat fighter, and has more 'normal' struts (not the classic H-B star struts). - The photo I have suggests a dark hull side (whth a large white A11 on it, which may have been from pre-delivery) and bottom, but a lighter coloured top decking. The name 'Blue Wonder' leaves me to 'wonder' if it wasn't a dark blue. - It appears to have relatively little in the way bracing wires. From what I can see, these are mostly around the engine mount, and around the tail. - I've found a painting / artist rendering of a CC on the net which showed an a/c with a brown hull (I'm not sure if it was supposed to be varnished wood, or painted), and red wing-floats. The wings look to be just doped linen (as they do in the photo of the A11 I have). The radiator appears to be pilished brass around the outside (oddly enough, the A11 photo does not show a radiator in front of the engine -- perhaps it was not complete at the time, or the radiator was a different configuration). The differences are enough to leave the painting either suspect, or that the A11 was more radically customized than I though. - I do have a rough 3-view diagram which I've blown up to my preferred 1/48 scale, to use as a plan (it may not be perfect, but it's close enough for my purposes). I've found one other photo of a CC with a white(ish) number on a dark hull (A45 - the triwing), and another with a dark hull, no number, but with an A-H cross on a white background. All of these photos seem to show a/c in pristine condition, so these might be pre-delivery, if that makes sense. Also, I don't see any Austro-Hungarian crosses on either of the A11, and A45 a/c, unlike other H-B flyboat fighters. I should probably point out (as if it isn't obvious) that I'm a complete novice to WWI a/c (it's been many many years since I built one, and then without any 'research'), and of course, to this list. My interest is nightfighters, and since Banfield used his A11 as a one, I've become very intrigued. Unfortuantely, I know enough to be little more than dangerous, so I'm throwing myself at the mercy of those who I hope know better. I hope to be able to get enough information to scratchbuild one of these (I'm more than a little glad it doesn't have the star struts, as neat as they do look! ;-}). I'd love any information that any of you could provide, on either a generic (as generic as they came) H-B CC flyingboat fighter, or ideally on Banfield's version. I'm at rather a loss when it comes to things like interior, colours, markings, etc. or even whether it used the Hiro (sp?) engine or the Benz engine as my limited resources suggest that some did. Thanks in advance to the gurus of the wired wings. /Brian -- Brian MacNamara macnamara@HedgehogHollow.COM IPMS "Buzz" Beurling: http://HedgehogHollow.COM/ipms/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 13:44:21 -0400 From: smperry@mindspring.com To: Subject: Re: ICM Ilya update Message-ID: <000e01bea9fa$e3201000$85fe45cf@smp> > Thanks for the tip. I just got a copy of the FSM article by Bob Rice on his > 1/32 IM. It has a to scale template for the canopy of the G.3 version. Maybe > that floatplane prototype pictured in the references that I wanted to try is > not so far fetched?? That's distinct possibility. I sure like the float vervion, but I think I'll make mine as the bomber version that the ICM kit generally reflects. I'll hang on to the Maquette and some day I'll modify it to represent the St.Petersburg to Kiev plane Igor wrote about in The Winged S. Now to go search the List archives and dig up that thread from last year about the various marks of this bird. Speaking of references, I ordered the Armada book from NKR last week. His site says he will send a confirming e mail, usualy in 24 hrs, but I haven't heard back from him. Does anyone who has done business with NKR know if this is usual, or should I pester him? So Rob, are you going to leave the molded on push rods on the engines or remove them and replace with wire or sprue ones? sp ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 13:51:05 -0400 From: smperry@mindspring.com To: Subject: Re: WW 1 Video Message-ID: <002201bea9fb$d36bdee0$85fe45cf@smp> Also some great scenes of assembling a plane (not Jenny) out > of a box. Ben: Is this the video which I've seen advertised that has scenes of DH-4 Liberty planes being uncrated & assembled at Air Service Production Center #2 at Romorantin, France? If it is, please give me a good description of that part. I'm interested in it beacuse My Grandfather served there in 1918. TIA sp ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 09:39:18 -0700 From: David & Carol Fletcher To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Jenny Engine Message-ID: <37501836.374@mars.ark.com> I have a series of period shots of the OX-5. Included are left, right, top, bottom, front, front left and rear right shots. If anyone wants scans of them, let me know, but be warned, they come out as close to 750K. I'll send them as "jpg" attachments unless asked for other formats. Cheers! Dave Fletcher IPMS/Canada #390 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 May 99 18:56:04 GMT From: Len Smith To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Ilya Muromets Message-ID: <990529185604.n0000430.lensmith@mail.clara.net> Last week at a small Aerojumble I bought a box of miscellaneous papers on WW1 subjects. When I got it home and investigated the contentsI found all sorts of odd goodies, mostly old Harleyford plans, some photographs (mostly poor) and a whole slew of stuff on the I.M., including Harry Woodman's original article in Airfix magazine back in 1985, the three articles he did in Windsock in1990 and his reviews of the Maquette and ICM kits. These are all photostats, of course, and I have the originals anyway. So if anyone wants this lot I need a Postal address to send to. Len Smith http://home.clara.net/lensmith ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 1606 **********************