WWI Digest 1605 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) RE: Rigging by Shane Weier 2) Ivan Subrt? by "Sandy Adam" 3) Re: Verville Fellowship at NASM by "richard eaton" 4) Re: Rigging by Dennis Ugulano 5) RE: Rigging by Matthew Zivich 6) More or less Out of topic 1918 Ford Ambulance by "Alberto Rada" 7) Tinsel by "David Vosburgh" 8) RE: More or less Out of topic 1918 Ford Ambulance by Shane Weier 9) Re: 1918 Ford Ambulance by "Charles and Linda Duckworth" 10) Re: More or less Out of topic 1918 Ford Ambulance by "Lee J Mensinger" 11) Re: 1918 Ford Ambulance by "Alberto Rada" 12) Re: More or less Out of topic 1918 Ford Ambulance by "Lee J Mensinger" 13) Re: Revell 1:28 Spad XIII by Russell W Niles 14) modem crash for TC by KarrArt@aol.com 15) keeping up with the Jones's ? by Ernest Thomas 16) Re: keeping up with the Jones's ? by "Douglas R. Jones" 17) Re: keeping up with the Jones's ? by Ernest Thomas 18) Re: keeping up with the Jones's ? by KarrArt@aol.com 19) RE: painting tires by "Diego Fernetti" 20) Re: 1918 Ford Ambulance by "Charles and Linda Duckworth" 21) Re: Wings by "Brad Gossen" 22) Re: More or less Out of topic 1918 Ford Ambulance by "Brad Gossen" 23) Re: 1918 Ford Ambulance by "Alberto Rada" 24) American Ambulance paint scemes by "Charles and Linda Duckworth" 25) Re: American Ambulance paint scemes by "Lee J Mensinger" 26) Alps Printers/Decals by lfendy@firstsaga.com (Leonard Endy) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 09:11:49 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Rigging Message-ID: <684F83DB3D13D311B0B40060B06865CD090B03@mimhexch.mim.com.au> Ben, > Curious how you guys rig with thread. Do you drill holes thru > the wings or the struts to thread the line? Yes. Or rather, I drill holes where the wire (or its "fitting") should end. *Usually* that will be in the wing surface near or at the top/bottom of the strut, not *in* the strut. Of course some do finish in the fuselage, cabane structure or whatever as well. Shane ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 00:34:41 +0100 From: "Sandy Adam" To: Subject: Ivan Subrt? Message-ID: <002001bea899$7fb0abe0$14e8b094@sandyada> Please forgive me posting to list but if you get this Ivan, can you reply to me please. Sandy ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 18:34:50 -0500 From: "richard eaton" To: Subject: Re: Verville Fellowship at NASM Message-ID: <199905272335.SAA26235@sierra.onr.com> Outstanding Carl! Your summary left me drooling. Best of luck and can't wait to see the results! Regards, Richard ---------- > From: Carl J. Bobrow > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Verville Fellowship at NASM > Date: Thursday, May 27, 1999 12:41 AM > > Hello all, well since it is official here is the scoop, the Verville > Fellowship for 1999 was awarded to yours truly, for those of you who do not > know what this is all about here is the short version, it is a full > fellowship provided by the Smithsonian Institution to research and write on > either aviation or space history at NASM for one year, it is one of three > full fellowships available at Air & Space. Posted below is the brief > summary section of my proposal, thought some of you might like to know. > ta ta > cjb (*<~ > > > VERVILLE FELLOWSHIP: RESEARCH PROJECT SUMMARY > Title Proposed Research Project: The Debut and Impact of the First Long > Range Bomber During World War One > > This project is intended to evaluate the development, utilization, and > effect of the long range multi-engine bomber, first conceptualized and > produced in Russia during World War One. I will investigate the nature > and importance of the technology transfer and the matrix of operational > uses which were made by Russia's allies and her enemies with regard to this > type of aircraft, and examine how this aircraft would ultimately impact on > the Soviet Union's future bomber fleet as well as look at Stalin's > obsession with airpower. > The advent of the airplane changed the future of warfare significantly. > This new and potentially lethal weapon evolved dramatically during WW I. > The long range bomber would force a paradigm shift in military policy in > response to public fear and pressure. Distant cities and rear staging > areas were suddenly susceptible to destructive attacks. The historiography > of the bomber focuses almost exclusively on Anglo-American and German > development. The antecedents of the modern bomber and the experiments in > strategic and tactical bombardment first appeared during the Great War. To > what degree the Russian deployment was influential still needs to be > ascertained. > In part my proposed study will focus on the Russian experiment in long > range reconnaissance and bombing during WWI, and will be based on primary > source documentation. I will examine the design and history of this > innovative aircraft, the evolving air doctrine incorporated, and the air > operations of this new weapon with special attention to its scope and > effectiveness. > During the war Italy, Germany, England, France and the United States also > built and deployed long range bombers. These countries made innovative > technological and military advances while utilizing these aircraft. Though > not thoroughly investigated, there is credible evidence which indicates the > Russian design was influential in terms of the technology transfer and > contributed to the doctrinal precepts employed. In this study I hope to > provide insight into this crucial but neglected aspect of history by > comparing the respective development and deployment of the various > combatants. > Shortly after the Soviets seized control the importance of airpower and > air-mindedness became forever entwined with their political manifesto. > Eventually Stalin would bring this to a new pitch with epic flights and > grandiose aircraft. Though the Soviets were quick to condemn Imperial > Russia as being backward and inconsequential to the new and emerging > Russia, we can see how important the prewar development of Russian aviation > was, with none greater or more influential than Igor Sikorsky's > multi-engine designs. The transitional period between Imperial and Soviet > Russia, is only now been recognized as an important and leading influence > in Soviet air-doctrine development. It is at that point in Soviet history > that I will conclude my research. > Most of the research material needed for this project exists exclusively in > The National Air and Space Museum's Russian/Soviet Aviation Collection, > including numerous primary source documents and photographs. An equally > important factor is the invaluable assistance available from the Air and > Space staff. Von Hardesty will lend his expertise on the subject and has > offered to furnish the necessary guidance. I also intend to consult with > Tom Crouch, John Anderson and Michael Neufeld on a variety of relational > topics. The anticipated outcome will be the publication of a book on the > subject as well as two or more interpretive articles during the fellowship > period. > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 19:52:34 -0400 From: Dennis Ugulano To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Re: Rigging Message-ID: <199905271952_MC2-7754-A308@compuserve.com> Ben, Slip over to my web site and read about DURAS. It's my method that has served me well for many years. Also, your question will bring many responses. Trust me. Dennis Ugulano email: Uggies@compuserve.com http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/uggies Page Revised 3/26/99 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 19:55:46 -0400 (EDT) From: Matthew Zivich To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: RE: Rigging Message-ID: I drill tiny holes also to be used with extremely fine nylon sewing thread which is threaded through and secured to the holes by tying the nylon thread to a small length of cotton thread of greater width. Then the cotton thread is threaded through the hole with a tiny amount of glue, cut off at the other end and shaved smooth. Subsequent painting will mask any uneveness that may remain. The nylon thread is well anchored in the aircraft. M Zivich On Thu, 27 May 1999, Shane Weier wrote: > Ben, > > > Curious how you guys rig with thread. Do you drill holes thru > > the wings or the struts to thread the line? > > Yes. Or rather, I drill holes where the wire (or its "fitting") should end. > *Usually* that will be in the wing surface near or at the top/bottom of the > strut, not *in* the strut. Of course some do finish in the fuselage, cabane > structure or whatever as well. > > Shane > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 20:37:51 -0400 From: "Alberto Rada" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Subject: More or less Out of topic 1918 Ford Ambulance Message-ID: <002401bea8a2$5def8860$ed8031ce@telcel.telcel.net.ve> Hi Please pardon the desgration, but I am trying to make a 1/35 , 1918 Ford Ambulance from the American Field Service and have no clue on the color of the iterior of the rear body, Any help ? SALUDOS Alberto ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 20:46:09 -0400 From: "David Vosburgh" To: "WWI Mailing List" Subject: Tinsel Message-ID: <002301bea8a3$7ae339c0$97d690d0@Pvosburg> I was poking around in the local Orvis fly-tying shop recently and found a spool of something called "French Tinsel" which appears to be soft, extremely fine, thread-like silver wire. I made the spade grips and cocking handle for the Vickers on my Pup with the stuff, bending it to shape first and then giving it a whack (well, O.K., a tap) with a jeweller's hammer. It squashes out quite nicely, and you can make flat shapes as small as the finest PE parts I've seen. Anybody else tried the stuff? I'm not sure if it'd be any good for rigging... haven't attempted to straighten longer lengths of it yet. Regards, DV ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 10:53:16 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: More or less Out of topic 1918 Ford Ambulance Message-ID: <684F83DB3D13D311B0B40060B06865CD090B08@mimhexch.mim.com.au> Alberto, > Please pardon the desgration, but I am trying to make > a 1/35 , 1918 Ford Ambulance from the American Field Service > and have no clue on the color of the iterior of the rear body, > Umm, WW1 Modelling Mailing List errr... 1918 Ford Ambulance used by a WW1 combatant.... Looks on topic to me. Lest we forget, Alan doesn't have a big red warning sign out to frighten off modellers of other than aircraft (however strange that activity might be ;-) Shane ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 20:13:05 -0500 From: "Charles and Linda Duckworth" To: Subject: Re: 1918 Ford Ambulance Message-ID: <00aa01bea8a7$400dbec0$915cdfd1@q1p5x0> >Please pardon the desgration, but I am trying to make >a 1/35 , 1918 Ford Ambulance from the American Field Service >and have no clue on the color of the iterior of the rear body, I saw a 1919 AFS book at our local library and it had some color plates - the exterior color was a slate blue/grey. No idea what the interior was but the interior shots in the book don't look to be natural wood so I can only quess blue/grey as well. Would think the interior surface would have to be easy to clean (ie painted) after transporting the wounded 'poliu' back to a field hospital. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 20:18:05 -0500 From: "Lee J Mensinger" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu, alrada@telcel.net.ve Subject: Re: More or less Out of topic 1918 Ford Ambulance Message-ID: <374DEECD.F32CAB09@wireweb.net> Try pease1.sr.unh.edu Then go to World War 1 models and images . Find the name Lee Mensinger. Click there and scroll down. You will find a 1913-14 US Army Ambulance photograph that I took last year. It shold be of some help. If ypou can not finmd it I will try to send you a scan. Call me. Lee Alberto Rada wrote: > Hi > > Please pardon the desgration, but I am trying to make > a 1/35 , 1918 Ford Ambulance from the American Field Service > and have no clue on the color of the iterior of the rear body, > > Any help ? > > SALUDOS > > Alberto ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 21:24:07 -0400 From: "Alberto Rada" To: Subject: Re: 1918 Ford Ambulance Message-ID: <002f01bea8a8$cb30d5e0$ed8031ce@telcel.telcel.net.ve> Hi Charles Your reasoning is correct, if I don't find any info in the contrary I will follow it, Do you recall the name of the book ? Regards Alberto -----Original Message----- From: Charles and Linda Duckworth To: Multiple recipients of list Date: 27 May, 1999 9:14 PM Subject: Re: 1918 Ford Ambulance >>Please pardon the desgration, but I am trying to make >>a 1/35 , 1918 Ford Ambulance from the American Field Service >>and have no clue on the color of the iterior of the rear body, > > >I saw a 1919 AFS book at our local library and it had some color plates - >the exterior color was a slate blue/grey. No idea what the interior was but >the interior shots in the book don't look to be natural wood so I can only >quess blue/grey as well. Would think the interior surface would have to be >easy to clean (ie painted) after transporting the wounded 'poliu' back to a >field hospital. > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 20:28:26 -0500 From: "Lee J Mensinger" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: More or less Out of topic 1918 Ford Ambulance Message-ID: <374DF13A.97AF2665@wireweb.net> So far as I can rcall the interior is also an OD color. There was more than one color being used in the field. I believe the American Volunteer Ambulance Service had the Slate Blue/Grey machines, but not really positive. I do recall seeing more than one on display and they were AVAS machines. Same color inside and out. Lee Shane Weier wrote: > Alberto, > > > > Please pardon the desgration, but I am trying to make > > a 1/35 , 1918 Ford Ambulance from the American Field Service > > and have no clue on the color of the iterior of the rear body, > > > > Umm, > > WW1 Modelling Mailing List > > errr... > > 1918 Ford Ambulance used by a WW1 combatant.... > > Looks on topic to me. Lest we forget, Alan doesn't have a big red warning > sign out to frighten off modellers of other than aircraft (however strange > that activity might be ;-) > > Shane ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 20:48:23 -0700 From: Russell W Niles To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Revell 1:28 Spad XIII Message-ID: <19990527.184408.-301931.1.r_niles1@juno.com> On Wed, 26 May 1999 08:34:54 -0400 (EDT) "Mike" writes: >I'll have to check the site again, but I think Copper State is going >all >out with 1/28th scale goodies for those >old Revell kits....I have a couple Dr.1s that I'm waiting for his >"detail >set" to show up for. Think I remember >seeing he was doing 1/28th Rickenbacker decals as well.... Have to >find >the URL again, it was lost in the >big "crash" of 99.... > >Mike Dicianna >"Der Rote Modellflugzeugbauer" > Mike See the newest Fine Scale. There is a photo of two decal sheets from Copper State specifically for the 1/28 Spad. Russ Niles IPMS 4450 ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 22:26:58 EDT From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: modem crash for TC Message-ID: Howdy y'all...I just got a call from T Cleaver asking me to post that his modem has burst. Also- he said he owes some folks a few items, and that it may take a day or two until Mr.Modem can be forced to behave. Robert K. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 22:09:27 -0500 From: Ernest Thomas To: multiple recipients of list Subject: keeping up with the Jones's ? Message-ID: <374E08E7.3EB0@bellsouth.net> Howdy all, A guy contacted me today to ask about some of my pictures from Aerodrome that Alan has on the Modeling Page. I thought this was an interesting statement... > I am interested in the Albatross. Do you know who built it or the > N-number? A neighbor of mine built a full scale D-VII and that has > spurred my interest in building a full scale Albatross. Must be a real interesting neighborhood. :) E. A National Treasure. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 22:26:31 -0500 From: "Douglas R. Jones" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: keeping up with the Jones's ? Message-ID: <199905280325.WAA26685@deimos.iex.com> At 11:10 PM 5/27/99 -0400, you wrote: >Howdy all, >A guy contacted me today to ask about some of my pictures from Aerodrome >that Alan has on the Modeling Page. >I thought this was an interesting statement... Funny you should mention this. I got a letter from a guy who is doing custom kits of the Sopwith Pup. Wished I had saved the info....... Doug -------------------------------------------------- 'I am a traveler of | Douglas R. Jones both Time and Space' | IEX Corporation Led Zeppelin | (972)301-1307 | djones@iex.com -------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 22:33:41 -0500 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: keeping up with the Jones's ? Message-ID: <374E0E95.7ACE@bellsouth.net> Douglas R. Jones wrote: > Funny you should mention this. I got a letter from a guy who is doing > custom kits of the Sopwith Pup. Wished I had saved the info....... > I wish you had too. Not that I have the sheckels to go building full scale Pup's, or anything else for that matter. But some day... E. Now with 8 esential vitamins and iron. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 23:59:31 EDT From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: keeping up with the Jones's ? Message-ID: <13639dce.247f6ea3@aol.com> In a message dated 5/27/99 8:11:53 PM Pacific Daylight Time, ethomas6@bellsouth.net writes: << E. A National Treasure. >> ANT? Sorry, lurking back to the drawing board- literally... Robert K. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 07:03:28 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: Subject: RE: painting tires Message-ID: <001c01bea8f1$5590f2e0$4640a8c0@prens-001.ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Good idea! I'll try that next time. Thanks! D. -----Mensaje original----- De: Shane Weier Para: Multiple recipients of list Fecha: Jueves, 27 de Mayo de 1999 08:17 p.m. Asunto: RE: painting tires >Diego, > >> I've never attempted this method of two colors on the wheel >> covers of, for >> example, Fokker Dr1, that sometimes have the centers on a >> lighter color than >> the rim. I think that it should work fine, but the feathered >> edge of the two >> hues would be very difficult to achieve. >> > >I do this by painting the cover first in the basic CDL colour using enamels. >Let it dry. Paint it again in Fokker Green using acrylics. Let it dry. >Dampen a cloth in isopropyl alcohol and rubn the centre of the wheel. The >acrylic will come away slowly, but faster and cleaner at the centre of the >wheel, which is what is needed. Keep rubbing until you have the effect you >want. Takes about 2-10 minutes depending on the brand of acrylic, how long >it dried and how thick you painted. > >Easy, very controllable, and in my experience, foolproof. > >See my Swabians D.VII on the web page for an example > >Shane > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 06:42:08 -0500 From: "Charles and Linda Duckworth" To: Cc: "Me at the office" Subject: Re: 1918 Ford Ambulance Message-ID: <003901bea8ff$2009e9c0$615cdfd1@q1p5x0> Alberto, I'll look next week am on vacation today but I remember it was a two or three volume set covering the history of AFS ambulance volunteers. There were many color plates, one showing the uniform details such as shoulder patches and a U.S. shield surounded by a weath that use used on the front of the Adrian helmet by some of the U.S. volunteers. Other plates were water colors of ambulances being loaded at the front. Plate showing the blue/grey color was illustrating a volunteer unit's symbol (of which I can't recall at the moment) and had the blue/gry background. There's a restored 1918 Ford ambulance in the USAF museum in Dayton (as of two years ago). I recall it was in a drab brown/green color. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 07:44:02 -0400 From: "Brad Gossen" To: Subject: Re: Wings Message-ID: <199905281145.HAA17120@mail5.globalserve.net> Sandy Captain Triggers, V.C., RFC. (Nicolas Jones) I e-mailed the BBC. Thanks for the suggestion. Haven't heard back yet. Brad ---------- > From: Sandy Adam > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: Wings > Date: Thursday, May 27, 1999 1:16 PM > > I remember Wings well - and can even now hum the signature tune (written by > Alexander Farris - which had us in stitches at the time as it appeared on > the screen as Farrts). > I think I have seen this released on video - but why not email the BBC on > www.bbc.co.uk and ask 'em? > Nicholas Jones was the VC winner wasn't he - its frightening to see him now > in Cavanagh QC as an old crusty! > Sandy > -----Original Message----- > From: Brad Gossen > To: Multiple recipients of list > Date: 26 May 1999 22:57 > Subject: Wings > > > > Does anyone recall an old BBC1 series from the mid-seventies called > >Wings. It aired here in Canada on the CBC in the late seventies and has not > >been heard from since. I recall it had several excellent repros and > >mock-ups including an early Albatros B-type or possibly an Aviatik, an > >Eindekker and an excellent BE2 (at least it seemed excellent in to my young > >WW1 aviation starved mind. In those days if you saw a picture of a Stearman > >in a magazine you were lucky. It was probably a done-over Stampe). > > The plot revolved around Alan Farmer a young blacksmith who fights class > >prejudice to become a pilot in the RFC in 1915. He is constantly dogged by > >Fokkers and his social position. The show nicely traced the rise of the > >fighter. The last episode that I recall involved the arrival of the Morane > >Bullet and a snotty uppercrust type who constantly potted Fokkers with his > >carbine. > > The show starred Tim Woodward as Alan Farmer, Michael Cochrane and > >Nicolas Jones. I would very much like to find it on video. Otherwise I > >intend to pester the CBC and my local PBS channel in Buffalo to run it > >again. > > I'm also looking for a really bad British film released in the > >mid-eighties called Sky Bandits or something. All I recall is that the > >heroes flew really bad fictional types including I believe a quadruplane > >but there was a field full of really quite decent Salmsons in one sequence. > > > > > >Brad > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 07:52:54 -0400 From: "Brad Gossen" To: Subject: Re: More or less Out of topic 1918 Ford Ambulance Message-ID: <199905281154.HAA17363@mail5.globalserve.net> Alberto I have some photos I took of a repro ambulance, a Columbia I think, which I took at Aerodrome '94. It was OD all over including the interior. I also have some shots somewhere of the ambulance at Old Rhinebeck which is also OD overall. Kevin has kindly offered to scan some stuff for me. So perhaps I can post these as well if anyone is interested. Brad ---------- > From: Alberto Rada > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: More or less Out of topic 1918 Ford Ambulance > Date: Thursday, May 27, 1999 8:38 PM > > Hi > > Please pardon the desgration, but I am trying to make > a 1/35 , 1918 Ford Ambulance from the American Field Service > and have no clue on the color of the iterior of the rear body, > > Any help ? > > > SALUDOS > > Alberto > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 10:26:06 -0400 From: "Alberto Rada" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Subject: Re: 1918 Ford Ambulance Message-ID: <006f01bea916$067a3700$57c188d0@telcel.telcel.net.ve> Hi Charles Thanks a lot for the info I don't think I'll go as far as buying a 2-3 volume set on the AFS, mainly due to lack of resources, read $$$$ , but I would like to see some plates on the uniforms etc. as I would like to include a driver , and a nurse and volunteer ( with some likehood to Ernest Hemmingay (just a joke)) b.t.w. anyone knows of figures in 1/35 (32) of WW1 nurses, or AFS Thanks SALUDOS Alberto -----Original Message----- From: Charles and Linda Duckworth To: Multiple recipients of list Date: 28 May, 1999 7:43 AM Subject: Re: 1918 Ford Ambulance >Alberto, I'll look next week am on vacation today but I remember it was a >two or three volume set covering the history of AFS ambulance volunteers. >There were many color plates, one showing the uniform details such as >shoulder patches and a U.S. shield surounded by a weath that use used on the >front of the Adrian helmet by some of the U.S. volunteers. Other plates >were water colors of ambulances being loaded at the front. Plate showing >the blue/grey color was illustrating a volunteer unit's symbol (of which I >can't recall at the moment) and had the blue/gry background. > >There's a restored 1918 Ford ambulance in the USAF museum in Dayton (as of >two years ago). I recall it was in a drab brown/green color. > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 10:15:54 -0500 From: "Charles and Linda Duckworth" To: Subject: American Ambulance paint scemes Message-ID: <000601bea91d$107fa8a0$875ddfd1@q1p5x0> >Alberto There's a book published in 1996 titled 'Gentlemen Volunteers The Story of the American Ambulance Drives in the Great War' by Arlen Hansen ISBN; 1-55970-313-X. $27.95 (USD) at the time but I got mine through Hamilton Book Seller for less, several photos of uniforms (that were basically up to the purchaser what made up a uniform) and the cars. Page 109 states "The AFS drivers painted their ambulances slate blue (war grey.....) stenciled their registration and section numbers on both sides of the cars, and added large Geneva red crosses to the ambulance body just behind the cab and on the roof. On the sides of the cab, the sections painted their logos, the most famous of which was probably section 1's Indian head designd by the French painter Jean Tardieu, who based it on the U.S. five-dollar gold piece." Charlie ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 10:44:28 -0500 From: "Lee J Mensinger" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu, cnlduckwor@ninenet.com Subject: Re: American Ambulance paint scemes Message-ID: <374EB9DC.67B38FC0@wireweb.net> What is stated about the AFS is true, but, the U.S. Army was not the AFS and they did not paint the ambulances Slate Blue. They were OD, inside, outside and in some areas underneath. We have available three U.S. Army service vehicles, from that era, (1913-1917) and two were used as ambulances one was a service vehicle. All were originally OD. For the sake of clarity, even the Volunteers uniforms were a rather slate blue color to let every one know they were not U.S. Military but AFS volunteers and technically/actually they were considered non-combatant. If you would like to see a scan I can do that. One Ambulance and one service vehicle. Lee Charles and Linda Duckworth wrote: > >Alberto > There's a book published in 1996 titled 'Gentlemen Volunteers The Story of > the American Ambulance Drives in the Great War' by Arlen Hansen > ISBN; 1-55970-313-X. $27.95 (USD) at the time but I got mine through > Hamilton Book Seller for less, several photos of uniforms (that were > basically up to the purchaser what made up a uniform) and the cars. > > Page 109 states "The AFS drivers painted their ambulances slate blue (war > grey.....) stenciled their registration and section numbers on both sides of > the cars, and added large Geneva red crosses to the ambulance body just > behind the cab and on the roof. On the sides of the cab, the sections > painted their logos, the most famous of which was probably section 1's > Indian head designd by the French painter Jean Tardieu, who based it on the > U.S. five-dollar gold piece." > > Charlie ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 23:06:13 GMT From: lfendy@firstsaga.com (Leonard Endy) To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Alps Printers/Decals Message-ID: <374f20fb.16135218@legend.firstsaga.com> This might be old news but for those making decals using the Alps printers there is a mailing list available at www.onelist.com called "alpsdecals". Len E. ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 1605 **********************