WWI Digest 1599 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Site update Corrected by "richard eaton" 2) Re: Ilya by smperry@mindspring.com 3) Re: Least Favorite (Was Favourite parts) by "Bob Pearson" 4) Re: I'm Doomed!!! by "Charles and Linda Duckworth" 5) Re: Rhinebeck was Re: NAM Report by "David Vosburgh" 6) Re: Least Favorite (Was Favourite parts) by "richard eaton" 7) Re: Least Favorite (Was Favourite parts) by "Bob Pearson" 8) D.H.9a Datafile? by "David Vosburgh" 9) Ilya Mourmets by smperry@mindspring.com 10) Re: Ilya by mkendix 11) Off Topic,unwanted cyberglyphics by smperry@mindspring.com 12) Re: I'm Doomed!!! by mkendix 13) Re: Ilya by smperry@mindspring.com 14) Re: D.H.9a Datafile? by mgoodwin@ricochet.net 15) Re: Ilya by mgoodwin@ricochet.net 16) Re: Off Topic,unwanted cyberglyphics by Zulis@aol.com 17) Re: Ilya by John & Allison Cyganowski 18) Re: D.H.9a Datafile? by "Charles and Linda Duckworth" 19) Re: Ilya by mkendix 20) Cyberglyphs gone..I hope by smperry@mindspring.com 21) Re: D.H.9a Datafile? by John & Allison Cyganowski 22) Re: D.H.9a Datafile? by John & Allison Cyganowski 23) Re: Ilya Mourmets by "Lee J Mensinger" 24) Re: D.H.9a Datafile? by smperry@mindspring.com 25) RE: Ilya Mourmets by "Dr. Phillip Anz-Meador" 26) Re: Cyberglyphs gone..I hope by Zulis@aol.com 27) Windsock/Datafile source by Matthew E Bittner 28) Re: Least Favorite (Was Favourite parts) by Matthew E Bittner 29) Re: D.H.9a Datafile? by Modelhound@aol.com 30) Re: Ilya (Was:DONE Oh-Thingie) by Brent & Tina Theobald 31) Re: D.H.9a Datafile? by smperry@mindspring.com 32) Re: Ilya (Was:DONE Oh-Thingie) by smperry@mindspring.com 33) Re: I'm Doomed!!! by TPTPUMPER@aol.com 34) Re: Ilya by "Robert Johnson" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 18:16:20 -0500 From: "richard eaton" To: Subject: Site update Corrected Message-ID: <199905242315.SAA17076@sierra.onr.com> Well I fixed my site so that the correct pages point to the correct images! Scary when cranial rectosis meets html links. Apologies to anyone who might have been confused. Keep up the good posts! Regards, Richard http://www.onr.com/user/eatons/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 19:16:25 -0400 From: smperry@mindspring.com To: Subject: Re: Ilya Message-ID: <001c01bea63b$7265ad60$f32845cf@smp> Michael writes: > There's been a discussion of how to reinstitute the fuselage detail > following the sanding and puttying required to get rid of the join > between the two fuselage halves. In his review of the ICM kit, Harry > Woodman says: > > "The surfaces are more refined but the thick trailing edges remain and > the raised vertical fuselage members and cross bracing is still present > though reduced [compared to the Maquette version]. The fabric skinning > of the IM fuselage was absolutely smooth but such stupidities persist and > ICM is not alone in this." Ain't it amazing how correct a recognized authority sounds when he tells you something you really want to hear :-) You see the famous door wire on the Ilya and then some surface detail on a kit that matches the pattern and suddenly that detail is "correct" and you are ready to go to great pains to preserve or restore it. I looked for this feature in the photo's I have, but couldn't find it and so wrote it off to poor photo quality when actually it is poor researcher quality. Gotta work on that. > Is Mr. Woodman referring to the detail that some builders are trying to > recover after sanding? Yes precisely, I have both kits and the Maquette detail is much more pronounced. The ICM detail is very subtle, (read easier to sand off). Michael, thanks so much for posting this info, you've saved me a lot of unnecessary work as well as contributing to a more accurate model. Regards sp ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 16:22:02 -0700 From: "Bob Pearson" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Least Favorite (Was Favourite parts) Message-ID: <199905242332.QAA09043@mail.rapidnet.net> Len writes ... >I enjoy all of the different aspects except for painting... >For some reason I have to really motivate myself to fire-up the >airbrush. > > Hey, me too (there I've said it twice in a week). Having said that I used it for the first time last night on two off-topic SHIPS. The last time I used the airbrush was to do the fuselages on the Hannover paintings on the rear cover of OTF 12/4 ..(which had to be done months in advance ...). But now that I have used it again . . WHEEEEEEE such fun, perhaps I can finally finish the Sopwith Triplane I was working on when I joined the list two years ago, this will be a one of a kind with Alps decals for N5449 BINKY III from Naval Eight.. .. yup, Alps are definately the way fo the future for limited run decals Regards, Bob Pearson Visit my WW1 Aviation page http://members.xoom.com/Sopwith_5F1 Managing Editor / Internet Modeler www.internetmodeler.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 18:41:12 -0500 From: "Charles and Linda Duckworth" To: Subject: Re: I'm Doomed!!! Message-ID: <006701bea63e$ea19dfe0$a19259d8@q1p5x0> Also, I am looking for a U.S. distributor of the Windsock Datafiles I've been using Hannan's (U.S.) at http://www.hrunway.com/datafile.htm for my DF's that last two years - biggest reason is their great packaging and fair pricing, my postman would run over any book or magazine not reinforced. Tell them I sent you, Charlie ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 20:05:01 -0400 From: "David Vosburgh" To: Subject: Re: Rhinebeck was Re: NAM Report Message-ID: <004601bea642$3ca12a40$8cd690d0@Pvosburg> Brad I'm still good to go. I'm only an hour away from the Aerodrome so it doesn't involve a lot of planning for me. Great to know you're going to try to come up from CT, Chris... hope you can make it! Regards, DV -----Original Message----- From: Brad Gossen To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Monday, May 24, 1999 1:52 PM Subject: Re: Rhinebeck was Re: NAM Report >Oh Oh! > Chris is absolutely right. I got my dates from an old Old Rhinebck >newsletter. The current newsletter states 'airshow season begins June >19-20'. Does this change anyones plans? It's still good for me. Kevin?, >Dave? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 18:50:51 -0500 From: "richard eaton" To: Subject: Re: Least Favorite (Was Favourite parts) Message-ID: <199905250010.TAA25966@sierra.onr.com> Would love to see the Tripe BINKY Bob! Regards, Richard ---------- > From: Bob Pearson > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: Least Favorite (Was Favourite parts) > Date: Monday, May 24, 1999 6:23 PM > > Len writes ... > > >I enjoy all of the different aspects except for painting... > >For some reason I have to really motivate myself to fire-up the > >airbrush. > > > > > Hey, me too (there I've said it twice in a week). Having said that I used it > for the first time last night on two off-topic SHIPS. The last time I used > the airbrush was to do the fuselages on the Hannover paintings on the rear > cover of OTF 12/4 ..(which had to be done months in advance ...). > > But now that I have used it again . . WHEEEEEEE such fun, perhaps I can > finally finish the Sopwith Triplane I was working on when I joined the list > two years ago, this will be a one of a kind with Alps decals for N5449 BINKY > III from Naval Eight.. .. yup, Alps are definately the way fo the future for > limited run decals > > Regards, > Bob Pearson > > Visit my WW1 Aviation page > http://members.xoom.com/Sopwith_5F1 > > Managing Editor / Internet Modeler > www.internetmodeler.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 17:20:38 -0700 From: "Bob Pearson" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Least Favorite (Was Favourite parts) Message-ID: <199905250030.RAA10371@mail.rapidnet.net> Richard writes. .. >Would love to see the Tripe BINKY Bob! > >Regards, > >Richard Until it gets completed you'll have to make do with the profile of it at my site in the Sopwith Page in the features section. IIRC the url is http://members.xoom.com/Sopwith_5F1/Sopwith.htm Bob ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 20:29:06 -0400 From: "David Vosburgh" To: "WWI Mailing List" Subject: D.H.9a Datafile? Message-ID: <008901bea645$9a000780$8cd690d0@Pvosburg> Was there a Datafile covering the D.H.9a? I'm assuming that it probably wasn't covered in the D.H.9 issue. Or was it? I'm looking for cockpit refs. The only one I have is a photo of the port side of the pilot's office in Woodman's 'Scale Model A/C in Plastic Card'. The Pup is about half done, so I won't actually be starting the Maquette Ninak in earnest for a couple months... but I'm going in hot this time. Thanks, DV ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 20:34:39 -0400 From: smperry@mindspring.com To: Subject: Ilya Mourmets Message-ID: <002001bea646$60afad40$b52845cf@smp> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001D_01BEA624.D8C56080 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I became facinated with this aircraft after reading Uncle Igor's = autobiography, The Winged S, as a kid. Igor said it was named after the = Russian folk hero. I have heard equally vague references since. Does = anyonw know who Ilya Mourmets was and what the story is? TIA sp ------=_NextPart_000_001D_01BEA624.D8C56080 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I became facinated with this aircraft after reading = Uncle=20 Igor's autobiography, The Winged S, as a kid. Igor said it was named = after the=20 Russian folk hero. I have heard equally vague references since. Does = anyonw know=20 who Ilya Mourmets was and what the story is?
 
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------=_NextPart_000_001D_01BEA624.D8C56080-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 20:38:10 -0400 (EDT) From: mkendix To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Ilya Message-ID: On Mon, 24 May 1999 smperry@mindspring.com wrote: > > > Is Mr. Woodman referring to the detail that some builders are trying to > > recover after sanding? > > Yes precisely, I have both kits and the Maquette detail is much more > pronounced. The ICM detail is very subtle, (read easier to sand off). > Steve: Don't thank me, I'm as dumb as toast,;Mr. Woodman takes the credit for 25 years of research. You/we are, however, not off the hook regarding the detail, since the rib taping for the vertical right angled ribs on the fuselage _is_ visible in some pictures. E.g. The Armada publication, photo 42 on page 19, photo 26 on page 13, photo 24 on page 12. Rib (fuselage frame) taping on the fuselage can be seen on page 20, photo 44. What is not visible (to me) is the diagonal "stuff" on the kit's fuselage. That diagonal stuff can be seen on the paintings on the Armada book cover and the kit box art. Perhaps the solution is fairly straightforward; I offer the following theoretical (nver tried it) solution. Sand down the detail on the fuselage. Take some decal paper and strips approximately .67mm thick and put it on the places where the rib tapes should be on the fuselage. Michael mkendix@worthen.ihcrp.georgetown.edu ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 20:48:39 -0400 From: smperry@mindspring.com To: Subject: Off Topic,unwanted cyberglyphics Message-ID: <003401bea648$54c36420$b52845cf@smp> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0031_01BEA626.CD131320 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Can anyone explain to me why occasionally my posts to the list are full = of unwanted cyberglyphics? If so please give me an Off List shout Sorry for the annoyance sp ------=_NextPart_000_0031_01BEA626.CD131320 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_0031_01BEA626.CD131320-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 20:51:55 -0400 (EDT) From: mkendix To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: I'm Doomed!!! Message-ID: I concur with this recommendation; Hannan's have been 100% reliable. Michael mkendix@worthen.ihcrp.georgetown.edu On Mon, 24 May 1999, Charles and Linda Duckworth wrote: > Also, I am looking for a U.S. distributor of the Windsock Datafiles > I've been using Hannan's (U.S.) at http://www.hrunway.com/datafile.htm for > my DF's that last two years - biggest reason is their great packaging and > fair pricing, my postman would run over any book or magazine not reinforced. > Tell them I sent you, Charlie > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 21:04:07 -0400 From: smperry@mindspring.com To: Subject: Re: Ilya Message-ID: <003b01bea64a$7df12920$b52845cf@smp> Sand down the detail on the fuselage. Take some decal paper > and strips approximately .67mm thick and put it on the places where the > rib tapes should be on the fuselage Sounds like winner to me. I'm awaiting arrival of the Armada book. In the mean time there are trailing edges to thin and parts to clean up. So where did you see this revier by Woodman? sp ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 06:10:50 -0700 From: mgoodwin@ricochet.net To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: D.H.9a Datafile? Message-ID: <374AA15A.7B94@ricochet.net> David Vosburgh wrote: > > I'm looking for cockpit refs. Profile #248 pg. 47, Harleyford Bombers book pg. 211, May, 1974 Scale models(?) pg. 281. Russian R-1 cockpit in March/April 1998 Air Enthusiast. HTH, Riordan (who doesn't usually find this stuff so quickly/easily) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 06:14:29 -0700 From: mgoodwin@ricochet.net To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Ilya Message-ID: <374AA235.4BB3@ricochet.net> smperry@mindspring.com wrote: > > So where did you see this revier by Woodman? Windsock 14/4 July/Aug '98 R. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 21:14:20 EDT From: Zulis@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Off Topic,unwanted cyberglyphics Message-ID: <4ca2aeb8.247b536c@aol.com> In a message dated 99-05-24 20:50:21 EDT, you write: << Can anyone explain to me why occasionally my posts to the list are full = of unwanted cyberglyphics? If so please give me an Off List shout Sorry for the annoyance sp >> On my screen, they are also on a very very bright red field, and not very easy to read. I just assumed you were being festive. :-) Dave Z ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 21:16:02 -0400 From: John & Allison Cyganowski To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Ilya Message-ID: <3749F9D2.3D87@worldnet.att.net> The Woodman slam....uh,...review of the ICM Muromets can be found in Windsock, Vol.14, No. 4, July/August 1998, pgs 22 & 23. ;-) Cyg. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 20:52:15 -0500 From: "Charles and Linda Duckworth" To: Subject: Re: D.H.9a Datafile? Message-ID: <00b101bea651$394900c0$a19259d8@q1p5x0> >Was there a Datafile covering the D.H.9a? I'm assuming that it probably >wasn't covered in the D.H.9 issue. Or was it? David, the DF 'only' covered the D.H.9; assume we'll see the 9a sometime in the future but it hasn't been announced. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 21:41:34 -0400 (EDT) From: mkendix To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Ilya Message-ID: It's in Windsock International from 1998. I don't know the exact issue. Michael mkendix@worthen.ihcrp.georgetown.edu On Mon, 24 May 1999 smperry@mindspring.com wrote: > Sand down the detail on the fuselage. Take some decal paper > > and strips approximately .67mm thick and put it on the places where the > > rib tapes should be on the fuselage > > Sounds like winner to me. I'm awaiting arrival of the Armada book. In the > mean time there are trailing edges to thin and parts to clean up. > > So where did you see this revier by Woodman? > > sp > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 21:57:52 -0400 From: smperry@mindspring.com To: Subject: Cyberglyphs gone..I hope Message-ID: <008b01bea652$00743f20$b52845cf@smp> Thanks to all who responded to my call for help. I found the HTML button and deactivated it. If there is no more cyber crap, then that fixed it. I had a total HD crash about a week ago and when I reinstalled the new software from the ISP, I was stuck with Outlook Express. The HTML button must have been activated by default. Thanks also to those who provided the Windsock reference for the ICM Ilya review. sp ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 21:55:19 -0400 From: John & Allison Cyganowski To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: D.H.9a Datafile? Message-ID: <374A0307.9E6@worldnet.att.net> Did the Squadron "In Action" Series book cover the DH.9a? I don't have this one. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 21:56:35 -0400 From: John & Allison Cyganowski To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: D.H.9a Datafile? Message-ID: <374A0353.960@worldnet.att.net> Speaking of the DH.9a: Any word on the Glencoe release of the DH4? Cyg ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 21:08:17 -0500 From: "Lee J Mensinger" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Ilya Mourmets Message-ID: <374A0611.DDDCAD39@wireweb.net> I believe that Ilya Mouremets was a Russian here from the medieval times. Perhaps 1500's and 1600's who has been memorialized as that time periods saviour of Russia from the mongol hordes, invading western Europeans or some such thing. There is a movie "epic" of that name made in Russia. It may be on video tape. I saw part of it many years ago but it is still around. Try the Library...Encyclopedia. Lee smperry@mindspring.com wrote: > This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > > ------=_NextPart_000_001D_01BEA624.D8C56080 > Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > I became facinated with this aircraft after reading Uncle Igor's = > autobiography, The Winged S, as a kid. Igor said it was named after the = > Russian folk hero. I have heard equally vague references since. Does = > anyonw know who Ilya Mourmets was and what the story is? > > TIA > sp > > ------=_NextPart_000_001D_01BEA624.D8C56080 > Content-Type: text/html; > charset="iso-8859-1" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > > > http-equiv=3DContent-Type> > > > > >
I became facinated with this aircraft after reading = > Uncle=20 > Igor's autobiography, The Winged S, as a kid. Igor said it was named = > after the=20 > Russian folk hero. I have heard equally vague references since. Does = > anyonw know=20 > who Ilya Mourmets was and what the story is?
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> > ------=_NextPart_000_001D_01BEA624.D8C56080-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 22:16:59 -0400 From: smperry@mindspring.com To: Subject: Re: D.H.9a Datafile? Message-ID: <00aa01bea654$ac201540$b52845cf@smp> ----- Original Message ----- From: John & Allison Cyganowski To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Monday, May 24, 1999 10:06 PM Subject: Re: D.H.9a Datafile? > Did the Squadron "In Action" Series book cover the DH.9a? I don't have > this one. Yes it does. Has a couple of cockpit shots too. Also covers some poost war civil variants. sp ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 21:17:57 -0500 From: "Dr. Phillip Anz-Meador" To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Ilya Mourmets Message-ID: <01BEA62A.E64B89E0.panz-meador@vsti.com> I-M was a russian knight of the middle ages. sikorsky I-M roughly equivalent to a blackburn "william wallace", names-wise (sorry, blackburn was the most northerly UK manufacturer i could remember...). if you're interested, SP, i can dig out more -- iirc, he was one of a triumvirate of knightly heroes.... phillip -----Original Message----- From: smperry@mindspring.com [SMTP:smperry@mindspring.com] Sent: Monday, May 24, 1999 7:35 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Ilya Mourmets This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001D_01BEA624.D8C56080 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I became facinated with this aircraft after reading Uncle Igor's = autobiography, The Winged S, as a kid. Igor said it was named after the = Russian folk hero. I have heard equally vague references since. Does = anyonw know who Ilya Mourmets was and what the story is? TIA sp ------=_NextPart_000_001D_01BEA624.D8C56080 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I became facinated with this aircraft after reading = Uncle=20 Igor's autobiography, The Winged S, as a kid. Igor said it was named = after the=20 Russian folk hero. I have heard equally vague references since. Does = anyonw know=20 who Ilya Mourmets was and what the story is?
 
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------=_NextPart_000_001D_01BEA624.D8C56080-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 22:07:26 EDT From: Zulis@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Cyberglyphs gone..I hope Message-ID: <57e5c14f.247b5fde@aol.com> This last post looked just fine.... no glyphs.... not psychedelic either..... DZ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 21:31:51 -0500 From: Matthew E Bittner To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Windsock/Datafile source Message-ID: <19990524.213153.-983749.2.mbittner@juno.com> My source for Windsock/Datafile's is Roll Models: http://www.rollmodels.com Matt Bittner http://www.geocities.com/~ipmsfortcrook http://www.discoveromaha.com/community/groups/plasticmodelers/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 21:27:56 -0500 From: Matthew E Bittner To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Least Favorite (Was Favourite parts) Message-ID: <19990524.213152.-983749.0.mbittner@juno.com> On Mon, 24 May 1999 19:23:36 -0400 (EDT) "Bob Pearson" writes: > yup, Alps are definately the way fo the > future for > limited run decals Gee, I wonder where I have heard that before? ;-) Matt Bittner http://www.geocities.com/~ipmsfortcrook http://www.discoveromaha.com/community/groups/plasticmodelers/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 22:11:55 EDT From: Modelhound@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: D.H.9a Datafile? Message-ID: In a message dated 5/24/1999 7:09:06 PM Pacific Daylight Time, Janah@worldnet.att.net writes: << Speaking of the DH.9a: Any word on the Glencoe release of the DH4? Cyg >> Well, now that I have started building one my Aurora kits, I would say any day now. Mike ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 16:57:50 -0700 From: Brent & Tina Theobald To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Ilya (Was:DONE Oh-Thingie) Message-ID: <3749E77D.6159AB9D@airmail.net> I am curently building the Ilya. I have the engines completed and the fuselage together. I sanded the seam off (along with the frame detail). All I did was paint the frames in dark grey before over painting with my antique white. It looks nice to me. I did the same paint trick with the wings, but a little softer. Brent ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 23:08:01 -0400 From: smperry@mindspring.com To: Subject: Re: D.H.9a Datafile? Message-ID: <002b01bea65b$cd045300$d32c45cf@smp> > << Speaking of the DH.9a: Any word on the Glencoe release of the DH4? > > Cyg >> > > Well, now that I have started building one my Aurora kits, I would say any > day now. > > Mike Good man! Noble sacrifice. If the styrene gods are not pleased we can always get Shane or RK to start scratching one ;-) sp ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 23:17:38 -0400 From: smperry@mindspring.com To: Subject: Re: Ilya (Was:DONE Oh-Thingie) Message-ID: <003f01bea65d$24e4db20$d32c45cf@smp> ----- Original Message ----- From: Brent & Tina Theobald To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Monday, May 24, 1999 10:52 PM Subject: Re: Ilya (Was:DONE Oh-Thingie) > I am curently building the Ilya. I have the engines completed and the > fuselage together. I sanded the seam off (along with the frame detail). > All I did was paint the frames in dark grey before over painting with my > antique white. It looks nice to me. > > I did the same paint trick with the wings, but a little softer. > > Brent What a great idea! That's one of those slap yourself in the forehead, why didn't I think of that ideas. What kind of paint are you using? Any chance of a photo or scan of the part? sp ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 00:07:47 EDT From: TPTPUMPER@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: I'm Doomed!!! Message-ID: <5a3ac052.247b7c13@aol.com> Hi Kids! For Datafiles, I have gone to Wise Owl Worldwide Publications in California with much success. Friendly voices on the phone and fast service. I have also used Roll Models. It WAS two years ago, and maybe things have improved (Hope so!) but that order took two months to arrive (MN to FL) and email responses to my inquiries were v-e-r-y s-l-o-w. Hey, Barry! Does Rosemont carry Datafiles yet? FWIW, Barry provides excellent service to his customers. I work for a competitor of his, but I still admire his great attitude toward his customers. Have Fun!! IRA ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 23:17:05 -0500 From: "Robert Johnson" To: Subject: Re: Ilya Message-ID: <02a801bea665$72eb8d20$05f99ed0@robjohn.swdata.com> I thank all the various inter net gods that this one post got through the minor server deities. All parse the Inter net gods! And as penance build one kit of the other scale. rob johnson -----Original Message----- From: smperry@mindspring.com To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Monday, May 24, 1999 6:20 PM Subject: Re: Ilya > >Michael writes: > >> There's been a discussion of how to reinstitute the fuselage detail >> following the sanding and puttying required to get rid of the join >> between the two fuselage halves. In his review of the ICM kit, Harry >> Woodman says: >> >> "The surfaces are more refined but the thick trailing edges remain and >> the raised vertical fuselage members and cross bracing is still present >> though reduced [compared to the Maquette version]. The fabric skinning >> of the IM fuselage was absolutely smooth but such stupidities persist and >> ICM is not alone in this." > >Ain't it amazing how correct a recognized authority sounds when he tells you >something you really want to hear :-) You see the famous door wire on the >Ilya and then some surface detail on a kit that matches the pattern and >suddenly that detail is "correct" and you are ready to go to great pains to >preserve or restore it. I looked for this feature in the photo's I have, but >couldn't find it and so wrote it off to poor photo quality when actually it >is poor researcher quality. Gotta work on that. > >> Is Mr. Woodman referring to the detail that some builders are trying to >> recover after sanding? > >Yes precisely, I have both kits and the Maquette detail is much more >pronounced. The ICM detail is very subtle, (read easier to sand off). > >Michael, thanks so much for posting this info, you've saved me a lot of >unnecessary work as well as contributing to a more accurate model. > >Regards >sp > > ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 1599 **********************