WWI Digest 1598 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Ilya (Was:DONE Oh-Thingie) by Ernest Thomas 2) RE: Favorite Part by Shane Weier 3) Re: Favorite Part by Modelhound@aol.com 4) Re: Ilya (Was:DONE Oh-Thingie) by smperry@mindspring.com 5) Auora Pfalz - was Re: Breguet 14 by "Sandy Adam" 6) Re: Breguet 14 (Bray-Gay Ka-Torze!) by "Sandy Adam" 7) Citadel (was Re: greetings etc,) by kevinkim@interlog.com (Kevin & Kimberley) 8) Salutations by "Paul Schwartzkopf" 9) Favorite Part of the Hobby by "Mike" 10) Rhinebeck was Re: NAM Report by Chris Cato 11) Re: Favourite parts by Shane & Lorna Jenkins 12) Re: lack of French stuff[bad text]/Finally a plane question by "Mark Shanks" 13) Re: Ilya (Was:DONE Oh-Thingie) by "Mark Shanks" 14) Re: Favourite parts by "Paul Schwartzkopf" 15) Re: Favourite parts by "Mark Shanks" 16) Re: Ilya (Was:DONE Oh-Thingie) by "Bob Pearson" 17) Re: Ilya (Was:DONE Oh-Thingie) by mkendix 18) Re: Rhinebeck was Re: NAM Report by "Brad Gossen" 19) Re: Salutations by "Brad Gossen" 20) Portugal (was greetings) by Len Smith 21) Re: Favourite parts by "DAVID BURKE" 22) Bray-Gay Ka-Torze by Len Smith 23) Re: Breguet 14(Hi-Tech) by Franco Poloni 24) Re: Breguet 14(Hi-Tech) by mkendix 25) Re: Breguet 14(Hi-Tech) by "Mark Shanks" 26) I'm Doomed!!! by "DAVID BURKE" 27) Re: Bray-Gay Ka-Torze by Matthew E Bittner 28) Re: I'm Doomed!!! by "Mark Shanks" 29) Re: Portugal (was greetings) by Pedro e Francisca Soares 30) Re: Portugal (was greetings) by Mike Fletcher 31) Re: Portugal (was greetings) by Mike Fletcher 32) Re: I'm Doomed!!! by Albatrosdv@aol.com 33) Nieuport 28 by BEN8800@aol.com 34) Re: Ilya (Was:DONE Oh-Thingie) by "Robert Johnson" 35) Least Favorite (Was Favourite parts) by lfendy@firstsaga.com (Leonard Endy) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 23:07:08 -0500 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Ilya (Was:DONE Oh-Thingie) Message-ID: <3748D06C.4193@bellsouth.net> Robert Johnson wrote: How do you get the details embossed on the surface of > the card stock. Howdy Rob, I used this approach on my E-III. It's pretty simple. You take a piece of sheet styrene. Use the thinnest stuff you can find. Trace the outline of the fuselage top and bottom on to it. Then simply draw the structure and bracing wires or what ever onto the sheet of plastic with a pencil or ball point pen. Use enough pressure so it leaves raised lines on the other side. Then just glue it down to the top of the fuselage, raised lines side up. I don't remember if I glued it down, then trimmed it to size, or trimmed it to size, then glued it down. But it doesn't really matter, afaics. But think it through before you do it. When I did the E-III, it was my first time trying something like this and it led to a big sheet metal job on the front end so I could have the metal overlap the cdl, as oppsed to the other way around. But I'm a better man for the experience. :) And it also allowed me to stitch the underside of the E-III with fine thread. But that's another story. Hth, EtH. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 14:16:54 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Favorite Part Message-ID: Mike asks: > What is it the rest of you like best about > your projects. Details. Where the devil lurks. Shane ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 04:03:59 EDT From: Modelhound@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Favorite Part Message-ID: I was written: > What is it the rest of you like best about > your projects. >> I write: I have to confess that at this time, my favorite part is in the acquisition and merely having the kits. I love the hearing about, waiting for, searching out, and buying at the best possible deal. I do build mind you, but it just excites me no end to look at the shelf of crisp, new kits just waiting to be tackled. I enjoy seeing a stack of all the Blue Max, Aurora, Dragon, or Eduard kits in same size boxes, with beautiful pictures of various rag 'n wire aeroplanes on the end. I can sit and browse through a large box of Sierra Scale Models, Koster and Lone Star bagged vacuform kits for hours at a time. There is something so satisfying about having all that potential at ones fingertips. I am not a wealthy man, money wise, but having a collection of 1/48 World War One era aeroplanes, even not as of yet built ones, makes me feel on top of the world. Now, back to the quarter scale DH-4. It's coming along very nicely, thank you. Mike Franklin Bellingham, WA ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 04:19:34 -0400 From: smperry@mindspring.com To: Subject: Re: Ilya (Was:DONE Oh-Thingie) Message-ID: <003301bea5be$28818a20$010a56d1@smp> > I to have a Ilya in my to build pile, though I have an OT project and the > DML Fokker EV to finish befor I tackle it. I bought my kit from NKR and got > the book that comes with the project. It is packed full of great photos. I > was planing on sanding the seem and hope for the best, but the card stock > idea is intriguing. How do you get the details embossed on the surface of > the card stock. > > rob Well, since the details in question are raised, (longerons, crooss members and bracing wires), I was going to emboss them on the back side of the piece of card. When I did something similar, I put the card on a sheet of paper over a hard flat surface and "drew" the lines with a metal stylus, scribing tool held backwards). When turned over, there was the raised detail on the other side. I'll make couple of attempts and see if I can come up with a usable piece before I do any cutting. If that fails, I'll sand the seam and add the raised details with strip & sprue then sand it down. sp ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 11:11:17 +0100 From: "Sandy Adam" To: Subject: Auora Pfalz - was Re: Breguet 14 Message-ID: <008d01bea5cd$e545fb00$19e8b094@sandyada> >Sandy, at the risk of tweeking the Heelander in ye - last E-bay auction >on this kit realised ( are you sitting down ), $US64.00 !!!! I see the astonishing prices for Pfalzes too. The Pfalz was always overstocked in my local toyshops in the sixties and I was fed up with the damned thing because the stupid ground crewman had to be glued to the side of the fuselage or thrown away! I regularly visited the shops with my pocket money burning a hole in my trousers and found yet another stack of bloody Pfalzes but no SPADs or Nie28s in sight! Yet Ray Rimmell told me he never could find a Pfalz as a kid in his local shops. Wish I'd bought the lot and kept them - to launch 'em on now ebay! Sandy ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 11:04:04 +0100 From: "Sandy Adam" To: Subject: Re: Breguet 14 (Bray-Gay Ka-Torze!) Message-ID: <008c01bea5cd$e4396d00$19e8b094@sandyada> There are certainly plenty of scalpers here who will charge you 50 pounds for an Aurora Breguet. But if you bide your time, you'll usually find them turning up at a fair price. At the last Scottish Nats, Geoff Stanley (Mannock Trophy Winner at Telford) had a stand with a stack of old Aurora kits at prices from 2 pounds for a Nie11 in a bag to 20 for a Halberstadt and C.III in boxes. He took his Breguet home again I think. (BTW we are always asked how to pronounce French aircraft names so I've offered this one above before it is requested!) Geoff is opening a shop in Liverpool in July and I'll post details when available. He's a good guy to deal with - specialises on WWI a/c and tanks and is usually ready to do deals on prices if you buy a reasonable amount. Sandy -----Original Message----- From: David R.L. Laws To: Multiple recipients of list Date: 21 May 1999 04:30 Subject: Re: Breguet 14 >Anyone else bags Sandy gets a slush fund to pick up a few of these in >the UK for List members ???? > >Sandy, at the risk of tweeking the Heelander in ye - last E-bay auction >on this kit realised ( are you sitting down ), $US64.00 !!!! > >Sandy Adam wrote: > Breguet 14 >> >Aurora. > >> Is this kit rare in Oz? It was always one of the common ones in the UK and still regularly turns up at swaps. I was offered one for a song recently but have already got a few of them. >> Sandy > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 07:56:28 -0500 From: kevinkim@interlog.com (Kevin & Kimberley) To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Citadel (was Re: greetings etc,) Message-ID: Len admits: >For several years now all of my models have been painted in Citadel Miniature >acrylics from Games Workshop. As far as i can remember I used Bleached >Bone, Skull White and Vomit >Brown. A-ha! Finally, someone else on this list who has 'fessed up to using this fine line of orc paint. I have yet to see a better match for JGII Prussian Blue than Citadel's Space Marine Blue (or whatever-the-heck it's called). Kevin Barrett. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 07:32:05 -0500 From: "Paul Schwartzkopf" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Salutations Message-ID: To all of our Canadian members: have a happy Victoria Day today. Paul A. Schwartzkopf ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 05:42:06 -0700 From: "Mike" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Subject: Favorite Part of the Hobby Message-ID: <000001bea5e3$50bd6020$be8c3ace@default> I like to reasearch and learn as much as possible about the particular aircraft I'm doing. Although my library on WWI aircraft is small, it is growing and is quite useful. This obsession does get in the way of the actual workbench sometimes however..... I also love decals.....especially doing a lozenge finish...I'm kind of weird that way! Mike Dicianna "Der Rote Modellflugzeugbauer" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 10:08:32 -0400 From: Chris Cato To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Rhinebeck was Re: NAM Report Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19990524100832.00979260@mail.connix.com> At 04:07 PM 5/23/99 -0400, you wrote: ><> >>I'm looking forward to Rhinebeck. Anyone else on the list >>game for the pilgrimage on June 12th and 13th? > >I'll be there, and I believe Cam is planning on going too. > >Regards, > >DV Is opening weekend the 12th and 13th or the 19th and 20th? The web site shows both but the lastest WW1 Aero reports 19th and 20th - as Leo Opdycke is right next door to Rhinebeck I'd have to assume 19th and 20th - I'm hoping to be there as I'm only about 2 hours away... Chris Cato tcato@connix.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 00:46:01 +1000 From: Shane & Lorna Jenkins To: WW1 posts Subject: Re: Favourite parts Message-ID: <37496629.C8A8D5FE@tac.com.au> I think I must be the odd one out. I *like* filling and sanding, to me it's the most relaxing bit of the whole process. I also like nailing downa new technique when building a model (However many attempts it takes) :-( But the best part is when you first buy the kit and you have all these great schemes and ideas going through your head, unhindered by the harsh realities of time and ability ;-) Lorna ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 07:49:57 -0700 From: "Mark Shanks" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: lack of French stuff[bad text]/Finally a plane question Message-ID: <199905241451.HAA03841@elvis.fltdyn.com> > Modelhound@aol.com wrote: > > > How do you get the strings to go straight? The only ones I can get are > > coiled in an envelope package and are curved when I open them up. Ernest Thomas replied: > Except for some odd brand that I haven't seen in years, they all come in > that loose coil. Don't sweat it. For pieces less than 2 to 2&1/2 inches, > any curve or bow is un-noticeable. For longer pieces, someone one the > list said they hold a piece with two pairs of pliers, stretch it tight > over a fire till it's red, the let it cool while keeping the tension on > it. Haven't tried it myself, but it probably works. Doesn't take long to > cool, a matter of seconds. btw, if you try to bend it after you heat it, > it'll snap like a dry twig. 'Twas I that wrote about that method. You don't have to worry about the wire snapping - if it's stainless steel, it will be annealed and softer than before - it will have a (sometimes frustrating) tendency to bend with a slight pressure (like when you bump it into the wing underside, strut, cabane, fuselage, oxygen molecules, dust motes, etc.) Builds character. Mark mshanks@fltdyn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 07:53:47 -0700 From: "Mark Shanks" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Ilya (Was:DONE Oh-Thingie) Message-ID: <199905241454.HAA03884@elvis.fltdyn.com> > smperry@mindspring.com wrote: > > ~snip~ > > > So, I've put off the Ilya as long as I can, (though > > the Pegasus Roland D.II is talking to me). How many current or > > prospective Ilya Mourmets builders do we have out there now? > > I've got one in the works. I've *got* one (as with others, due to the graces of NKR Models), but I have a 388 that's got priority in the queue..... Mark mshanks@fltdyn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 10:01:59 -0500 From: "Paul Schwartzkopf" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Favourite parts Message-ID: >But the best part is when you first buy the kit and you have all these >great schemes and ideas going through your head, unhindered by the harsh >realities of time and ability ;-) >Lorna I tend to agree. I like doing the preliminary research on a project the best. Paul A. Schwartzkopf ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 08:03:43 -0700 From: "Mark Shanks" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Favourite parts Message-ID: <199905241504.IAA04003@elvis.fltdyn.com> Shane and Lorna Jenkins write: > But the best part is when you first buy the kit and you have all these > great schemes and ideas going through your head, unhindered by the harsh > realities of time and ability ;-) Hear, hear! Yes - NOTHING can beat that initial enthusiasm. (Anyone denying that - ask yourself why you have that closet/attic full of unbuilt/half-started models, hmmmm??) I, too, will confess my distaste for puttying/sanding. Ugh. The purest slog work - many is the off-topic kit that I have had to take a Dremel tool to in order to correct some drunken mold-maker's nightmare fantasy. Best part (for me) - painting. When the sins of the joints are covered at last. (But then, I do mostly off-topic kits - y'all don't have quite the same worries I tend to have.) Mark mshanks@fltdyn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 08:19:04 -0700 From: "Bob Pearson" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Ilya (Was:DONE Oh-Thingie) Message-ID: <199905241530.IAA30804@mail.rapidnet.net> >> > So, I've put off the Ilya as long as I can, (though >> > the Pegasus Roland D.II is talking to me). How many current or >> > prospective Ilya Mourmets builders do we have out there now? One of the last kits I finished (three years ago) was the Maquette Il'ya .. not totally accurate, but itlooks like an Il'ya and that is enough for me until Harry comes to visit Bob ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 12:00:30 -0400 (EDT) From: mkendix To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Ilya (Was:DONE Oh-Thingie) Message-ID: There's been a discussion of how to reinstitute the fuselage detail following the sanding and puttying required to get rid of the join between the two fuselage halves. In his review of the ICM kit, Harry Woodman says: "The surfaces are more refined but the thick trailing edges remain and the raised vertical fuselage members and cross bracing is still present though reduced [compared to the Maquette version]. The fabric skinning of the IM fuselage was absolutely smooth but such stupidities persist and ICM is not alone in this." Is Mr. Woodman referring to the detail that some builders are trying to recover after sanding? If not, which detail is he talking about in terms of the ICM kit? Michael mkendix@worthen.ihcrp.georgetown.edu ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 12:48:52 -0400 From: "Brad Gossen" To: Subject: Re: Rhinebeck was Re: NAM Report Message-ID: <199905241653.MAA08864@mail6.globalserve.net> Oh Oh! Chris is absolutely right. I got my dates from an old Old Rhinebck newsletter. The current newsletter states 'airshow season begins June 19-20'. Does this change anyones plans? It's still good for me. Kevin?, Dave? ---------- > From: Chris Cato > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Rhinebeck was Re: NAM Report > Date: Monday, May 24, 1999 10:08 AM > > At 04:07 PM 5/23/99 -0400, you wrote: > ><> > >>I'm looking forward to Rhinebeck. Anyone else on the list > >>game for the pilgrimage on June 12th and 13th? > > > >I'll be there, and I believe Cam is planning on going too. > > > >Regards, > > > >DV > > Is opening weekend the 12th and 13th or the 19th and 20th? The web site > shows both but the lastest WW1 Aero reports 19th and 20th - as Leo Opdycke > is right next door to Rhinebeck I'd have to assume 19th and 20th - I'm > hoping to be there as I'm only about 2 hours away... > > > Chris Cato > tcato@connix.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 13:05:37 -0400 From: "Brad Gossen" To: Subject: Re: Salutations Message-ID: <199905241710.NAA09541@mail6.globalserve.net> Thanks Paul I for one will be hoisting the old Red Ensign and lighting up the neighbourhood front with very lights and star shells (plus the obligatory burning schoolhouse). Brad ---------- > From: Paul Schwartzkopf > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Salutations > Date: Monday, May 24, 1999 8:30 AM > > To all of our Canadian members: have a happy Victoria Day today. > > Paul A. Schwartzkopf ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 May 99 10:51:03 GMT From: Len Smith To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Portugal (was greetings) Message-ID: <990524105103.n0000105.lensmith@mail.clara.net> Hello Pedro, thanks for the welcome. Perhaps you can help me with a query that has been nagging me for years. Some time ago I came across an illustration of the various roundels used in WW1, including a red outer green centre one for Portugal. I know of Portugal's involvement in the ground war, but I cannot find any reference to the air side. Was there any? if so in what aircraft? Any information would be much appreciated. Regards Len Smith http://home.clara.net/lensmith ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 13:00:35 -0500 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: Favourite parts Message-ID: <005b01bea60f$b103f760$a3ff10d1@dora9sprynet.com> Actually, now that I think about it, my favorite part is sniffing the glue and paint fumes, and watching Teletubbies. Then gluing Cabane and interplane struts on backwards to give me an added challenge when my head clears up. Ahhh, life is but a dream (la la la la)....... DB ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 May 99 19:31:02 GMT From: Len Smith To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Bray-Gay Ka-Torze Message-ID: <990524193102.n0000126.lensmith@mail.clara.net> Thanks Sandy! Can we now have confirmation of Bleary-O? Why have the Scots and French always got on so well? Is it possible that their joint mild dislike of the English could have something to do with it? Back to the matter in hand, as the Actress once remarked to the Bishop. Matt Bittner started this string by asking about Breguet 14 kits other than Pegasus, Merlin, HR and Wings 72. Two others that I know of are a Czechmasters/CMK kit of a 14B2 and a Classic Plane vacform which makes both a 14A2 and 14B2. Interestingly it also gives details of a conversion to a 14A1 (or 14B1) single seater intended to bomb Berlin. Happy Modelling! Len Smith http://home.clara.net/lensmith ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 May 1998 22:02:59 +0200 From: Franco Poloni To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Breguet 14(Hi-Tech) Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980524220259.006ba618@lo.itline.it> What about >1/48th? > > Hi All well, it seems that I am the first of the list to have it handy... The Hi-Tech Breguet 14 is now available. A complete, multi media kit, main parts in plastic, seat and radiator in resin, p/e (cowling panels, cockpit etc.) and white metal. I don't have drawings to check if dimensions are correct, but the quality of the plastic is good, (better than Aeroclub), with good details. I pay it 60.000 liras, that is less than 35 $ , and in my opinion this is a very good price for this kit. If you want more info about prices, ask directly Mr Gianelli, at Mister Kit. the email is mrkit@lo.itline.it ciao Franco ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 16:29:20 -0400 (EDT) From: mkendix To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Breguet 14(Hi-Tech) Message-ID: On Mon, 24 May 1999, Franco Poloni wrote: > well, it seems that I am the first of the list to have it handy... > The Hi-Tech Breguet 14 is now available. > A complete, multi media kit, main parts in plastic, seat and radiator in > resin, p/e (cowling panels, cockpit etc.) and white metal. > I don't have drawings to check if dimensions are correct, but the quality > of the plastic is good, (better than Aeroclub), with good details. > I pay it 60.000 liras, that is less than 35 $ , and in my opinion this is a > very good price for this kit. Franco: I was appalled in one of my local hobby stores yesterday; they had a couple of Aurora Bregeut XIV's circa $90 each. Seems like 1/48 people have a nice alternative to this bank account buster. Are there folks out there who actually would pay $90 for the Aurora kit and then build it? Michael mkendix@worthen.ihcrp.georgetown.edu ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 13:44:45 -0700 From: "Mark Shanks" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Breguet 14(Hi-Tech) Message-ID: <199905242045.NAA12051@elvis.fltdyn.com> Michael writes: > I was appalled in one of my local hobby stores yesterday; they had a > couple of Aurora Bregeut XIV's circa $90 each. Seems like 1/48 people have > a nice alternative to this bank account buster. Are there folks out > there who actually would pay $90 for the Aurora kit and then build it? Probably none NOW! ;-) Mark mshanks@fltdyn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 15:53:16 -0500 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: I'm Doomed!!! Message-ID: <000a01bea627$7b867fa0$f3f010d1@dora9sprynet.com> Thanks Guys, Now, here I am with a whole closet full of WW2 and modern A/C, and here you all are tweaking my interests in WWI! I'm doomed! I quit work on my 1/48 B-29 Enola Gay because the Albatros D.III was so damned appealing (not to mention the Nie.17 and Hanriot)! Now, instead of my contestant-judging experiment, I'm going to go WWI-heavy to P'cola. I'm sure that you are all VERY pleased with youselves (and secretly, I'm grateful, but I ain't gonna let on). To the point, is there a 1/48 Ilya kit available? The recent postings have piqued my interest. Also, is there a 1/48 Halberstadt CI.II kit out there? I have a poster that a former girlfriend gave me of a CI.II being 'bombed-up' with stick grenades and small frag bombs. Also, I am looking for a U.S. distributor of the Windsock Datafiles. I used to get catalogs from a distributor, but I lost the info. Please help! Well, I gotta get back to my rigging. I hope to see some of you in Pensacola this weekend. I'd love to show off my pretty Albatros! Dave ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 16:02:34 -0500 From: Matthew E Bittner To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Bray-Gay Ka-Torze Message-ID: <19990524.160557.-823699.0.mbittner@juno.com> On Mon, 24 May 1999 15:29:11 -0400 (EDT) Len Smith writes: > Interestingly it also gives details of a conversion > to a 14A1 > (or 14B1) single seater intended to bomb Berlin. There's a picture of said plane in the FMP French book. Interesting! Thanks for the CM update. Matt Bittner http://www.geocities.com/~ipmsfortcrook http://www.discoveromaha.com/community/groups/plasticmodelers/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 14:12:28 -0700 From: "Mark Shanks" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: I'm Doomed!!! Message-ID: <199905242113.OAA12894@elvis.fltdyn.com> David Burke (DORA9@sprynet.com) writes: > Now, here I am with a whole closet full of WW2 and modern A/C, and here > you all are tweaking my interests in WWI! I'm doomed! I quit work on my > 1/48 B-29 Enola Gay because the Albatros D.III was so damned appealing (not > to mention the Nie.17 and Hanriot)! Steady on, boy-o. Don't give them the satisfaction of "converting a heathen". Stay aloof, or you'll have to change that email address. ;-) > To the point, is there a 1/48 Ilya kit available? The recent postings > have piqued my interest. Yow! Well, as Earl from NKR Models said to me, "You must want to ....wait for it.....STRUT your stuff". Ar ar ar ar ar . BUT - no, there isn't one in 48th that I know of. One fellow did a 32nd scale one in FineScale a few years back (write me if you need details), but he's in a rubber room now (probably, anyway.) Mark mshanks@fltdyn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 22:35:33 +0100 From: Pedro e Francisca Soares To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Portugal (was greetings) Message-ID: <3749C624.135082A3@mail.telepac.pt> Len Smith wrote: > Hello Pedro, thanks for the welcome. My pleasure Len. > . I know of Portugal involvement in the ground war, but I cannot find any > reference to the air side. > Was there any? if so in what aircraft? Any information would be much > appreciated. > > Regards > > Len Smith > http://home.clara.net/lensmith Len, Last year I posted a message on this topic with a quick translation of the relevant part of the book "Os avioes da Cruz de Cristo" by Mario Canongia Lopes. You should be able to find it in the Archives of the list. If you don't find it let me know and I'll try to translate it again for you, or HAS ANY OF YOU BLOKES kept it? Anyone really cares about what I write? :-) If so pass it on to Len will you? And yes, I'll try to find something about the date when the change from the green and red to the Cross was made. IIRC the green and red was decided because it was easy to paint the outer rings of the french cocardes, France being the most important (sole?) supplier of a/c for the Portuguese air corps at the time. Um abraço Pedro ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 15:24:23 -0700 From: Mike Fletcher To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Portugal (was greetings) Message-ID: <3749D197.65F5B498@mars.ark.com> Pedro e Francisca Soares wrote: > > Len, > > Last year I posted a message on this topic with a quick translation of the relevant > part of the book "Os avioes da Cruz de Cristo" by Mario Canongia Lopes. You should > be able to find it in the Archives of the list. If you don't find it let me know > and I'll try to translate it again for you, or > > HAS ANY OF YOU BLOKES kept it? Anyone really cares about what I write? :-) If so > pass it on to Len will you? > > And yes, I'll try to find something about the date when the change from the green > and red to the Cross was made. IIRC the green and red was decided because it was > easy to paint the outer rings of the french cocardes, France being the most > important (sole?) supplier of a/c for the Portuguese air corps at the time. > > Um abraço > > Pedro Have you seen any pictures of Portuguese Nieuports by chance? I know they had 80 E.2 83 E.2 and 21 E.1 in 1918/1919 but that is all I have on them. -- Mike Fletcher ___ ., mdf@mars.ark.com |-\|^----! ; mikef@sparc.nic.bc.ca |--n--""*" icq=19554083 @ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 15:31:43 -0700 From: Mike Fletcher To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Portugal (was greetings) Message-ID: <3749D34F.5A568876@mars.ark.com> Could I get a copy of this as well, whoever is sending it out? Pedro e Francisca Soares wrote: > > Last year I posted a message on this topic with a quick translation of the relevant > part of the book "Os avioes da Cruz de Cristo" by Mario Canongia Lopes. You should > be able to find it in the Archives of the list. If you don't find it let me know > and I'll try to translate it again for you, or -- Mike Fletcher ___ ., mdf@mars.ark.com |-\|^----! ; mikef@sparc.nic.bc.ca |--n--""*" icq=19554083 @ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 18:38:31 EDT From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: I'm Doomed!!! Message-ID: <45f99776.247b2ee7@aol.com> In a message dated 99-05-24 16:58:32 EDT, you write: << Also, is there a 1/48 Halberstadt CI.II kit out there? >> Blyue Max, $49.95, available from Hannant's or Squadron. See my review in the May Internet Modeler. (www.internetmodeler.com) Tom Cleaver ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 18:43:48 EDT From: BEN8800@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Nieuport 28 Message-ID: <158e8bae.247b3024@aol.com> Just received some plans and photos of the new Model Expo Nieuport from Italy. It looks great. Good plans of the rotary engine and the cast engine assembled is great. Looks like another winner. It's 1:16 scale like the Albatros. Not really a big airplane though. Should be fun to build. Now, all I got to do is interpret the Italian and write the instructions. More fun. Ben ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 18:07:39 -0500 From: "Robert Johnson" To: Subject: Re: Ilya (Was:DONE Oh-Thingie) Message-ID: <006101bea63a$38f8dc60$05f99ed0@robjohn.swdata.com> So, where can one find this review by Hary Woodman? rob johnson -----Original Message----- From: mkendix To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Monday, May 24, 1999 11:13 AM Subject: Re: Ilya (Was:DONE Oh-Thingie) >There's been a discussion of how to reinstitute the fuselage detail >following the sanding and puttying required to get rid of the join >between the two fuselage halves. In his review of the ICM kit, Harry >Woodman says: > >"The surfaces are more refined but the thick trailing edges remain and >the raised vertical fuselage members and cross bracing is still present >though reduced [compared to the Maquette version]. The fabric skinning >of the IM fuselage was absolutely smooth but such stupidities persist and >ICM is not alone in this." > >Is Mr. Woodman referring to the detail that some builders are trying to >recover after sanding? If not, which detail is he talking about in terms >of the ICM kit? > >Michael > > >mkendix@worthen.ihcrp.georgetown.edu > > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 23:15:59 GMT From: lfendy@firstsaga.com (Leonard Endy) To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Least Favorite (Was Favourite parts) Message-ID: <374bdd5d.713099@legend.firstsaga.com> I enjoy all of the different aspects except for painting... For some reason I have to really motivate myself to fire-up the airbrush. Len ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 1598 **********************