WWI Digest 1595 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Back Again (a little long) by John Huggins 2) Re: Scratchbuilt! book by "Robert Johnson" 3) Pensacola & OTF (was Re: Models in Museum) by "Bob Pearson" 4) Interesting item on eBay web site item#107675623: BOOK- Aircraft Archive, WW-1, Vol.2 by modelhound@aol.com 5) Re: Thanks for the Aeroclub FE2b tips by Matthew E Bittner 6) Re: Pensacola & OTF (was Re: Models in Museum) by Matthew E Bittner 7) Re: Salmson, was Re: Breguet 14 by Matthew E Bittner 8) Re: Pensacola & OTF (was Re: Models in Museum) by Zulis@aol.com 9) Re: Pensacola & OTF (was Re: Models in Museum) by Zulis@aol.com 10) Re: Pensacola & OTF (was Re: Models in Museum) by John & Allison Cyganowski 11) Re: Pensacola & OTF (was Re: Models in Museum) by "Bob Pearson" 12) Tom's Modelworks Nieuport 24 resin upgrade by "Charles and Linda Duckworth" 13) The Master Scratch Builders by "Charles and Linda Duckworth" 14) Louver Punch by "Karl K. Juelch" 15) NAM Report by "Brad Gossen" 16) RE: Tom's Modelworks Nieuport 24 resin upgrade by Shane Weier 17) AeroClub FE2b Part ID Question by Ashley9862@aol.com 18) Re: Back Again by bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) 19) Re: Tom's Modelworks Nieuport 24 resin upgrade by Albatrosdv@aol.com 20) Re: AeroClub FE2b Part ID Question by Albatrosdv@aol.com 21) Re: Back Again by Albatrosdv@aol.com 22) Re: NAM Report by kevinkim@interlog.com (Kevin & Kimberley) 23) 1A2 into 1B2, by Len Smith 24) greetings/toko strutters by Len Smith 25) Re: AeroClub FE2b Part ID Question by John & Allison Cyganowski 26) Re: greetings/toko strutters by John & Allison Cyganowski 27) Re: greetings/toko strutters by smperry@mindspring.com 28) Re: Back Again by mkendix 29) Re: greetings/toko strutters by mkendix 30) DONE Oh-Thingie by smperry@mindspring.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 15:58:12 -0500 From: John Huggins To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Back Again (a little long) Message-ID: >Aidrian Bridgeman-sutton wrote: >> >> I'd like to hear any experiences and ideas about packing up a >>ollection of a few dozen 1/48th models for a 12,000 mile > > trip. > Gentlemen/Ladies, There is one more method that works. It is as follows (sorry about the length) I discovered a packing method by accident while I was on active duty. Early on, I had no choice but to leave the built up models on the shelves when I left. While working in the Airfield Management/Base Operations facility in Hawaii, we had to destroy the daily classified materials (call sign assignments, altitude assignment blocks etc) each night. To do this, we ran the pages through a cross cut shredder. The result was a plastic bag full or 1/16 in wide 1/4 in long bits of paper. This would then be taken to the trash bin for normal disposal. I discovered by accident one day that it made excellent packing material for plastic models. I have been using it ever since. I have put as many as 20 models (1/72 scale) in a single box (the kind computer paper comes in) and checked it as normal baggage on cross country flights with minimal or no breakage. (I did this when I went to the IPMS Nationals in Miami and yearly on our trips to the RCHTA Show in Chicago) I start by putting a layer of the paper on the bottom of the box (1/2 to 3/4 inch deep). I them place from 1 to 5 models on the paper (depending on size) so that they are not touching each other. Next comes another layer of the paper. This one is about 2 in deep. I place another row on models on the paper. You can place these so that the landing gear does not end up directly on top of the model below it. This is followed by more paper and then models till the box is almost full. Leave about 2 inches room on top of the top layer of models. I then slightly over fill the box, place the top on it and tape it shut. The paper is fine enough that it does not break parts. It is soft enough and small enough to form around the model with out breaking parts off. If you have any open areas on the model (cockpit, engine compartment, wheel wells) a small piece of cling film can be placed over these areas to keep the paper out of them. When I moved from Hawaii to Texas, I packed the models in the boxes, placed the boxes in one of the display cases and let the movers put packing material around the boxes to fill up the case. It was then wrapped and went into the moving van/container for the trip to Texas. There were 106 built up models in the 8 boxes. When I opened them, I had one landing gear strut that had come loose and one antenna wire that had broken away from its mounting post. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 17:54:46 -0500 From: "Robert Johnson" To: Subject: Re: Scratchbuilt! book Message-ID: <004001bea4a6$1bf94540$05f99ed0@robjohn.swdata.com> I to have herd much about this book. I now want it as well. Can anyone provide me with the author's name, publisher info, and the ISBN number. thanks, rob johnson -----Original Message----- From: Diego Fernetti To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Friday, May 21, 1999 9:57 AM Subject: Scratchbuilt! book >Hi list, >Since I joined the merry band on the net, I heard many times of this book >(scratchbuilt!), and I've even learned that a second volume has appeared by >now. Spurred by curiosity, I've bought it from Roll Models. I received this >one yesterday, and I was amazed by the stunning craftmanship of Alcorn and >others, only seen before in many of our list members. >Although many of the models are too complex for me, I welcomed the >"advanced" techniques described in this book, because I was growing a little >tired of the basic stuff (I must say that it was A grade basic, though) from >the FSM articles and Paul Boyer books. Even when it'll be more kits to come >until I attempt to scratchbuild, I must say that this have helped to figure >a number of troubles when I have to make small interior parts, bulkheads, >etc. It's a very useful workbench aid. Now I'll have to purchase the next >one: Scartchbuilt! part II: The Karr's menace. >And another book: MvR flying circus. I haven't look at it carefully, but I >realized that my Alb DII & DIII fuselages lacks a metal "strap" between >front UC attachment points. How can it be made without having a photoetching >machine? I thought using CA glue embedded paper, but I can't figure how to >cut it with accuracy (it seems to have a central cutout). Comments?? >regards >D. > > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 17:29:28 -0700 From: "Bob Pearson" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Pensacola & OTF (was Re: Models in Museum) Message-ID: <199905230059.RAA31391@mail.rapidnet.net> Just a reminder that the next OTF seminar is April 14/15 2000 - in Pensacola. The convoy leaves Toronto .. (when was that again? Brad, Dave?) with stops along the way to gather various listees .... Bob Pearson, (occasional OTF author/artist) Visit my WW1 Aviation page http://members.xoom.com/Sopwith_5F1 Managing Editor / Internet Modeler http://www.internetmodeler.com ---------- >From: "Robert M. Farrar" >To: Multiple recipients of list >Subject: Re: Models in Museum >Date: Sat, May 22, 1999, 1:07 PM > >Boy howdy! >I haven't been to the Pensacola NAM in over 20 years! > Next to the Garber facility, this one is the coolest as long as you >like many types of a/c. I'm from Brewton Alabama originally (1 hr. away >from NAM) and it was a treat every time we visited (aunt and uncle). >They have/had a 1/48 !! scale aircraft carrier constructed of plexiglass >(see through) covered with old Monogram F6-F's, etc. >My eyes are dammned near wellin' up over this. If you get the chance >to go, you won't be disappointed! >Felize Navidad, >Bob >> ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 17:55:47 -0700 (PDT) From: modelhound@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Interesting item on eBay web site item#107675623: BOOK- Aircraft Archive, WW-1, Vol.2 Message-ID: <199905230055.RAA22596@slowworm.ebay.com> I saw this item for sale at eBay, the world's largest personal trading community, and thought that you might be interested. Title of item: BOOK- Aircraft Archive, WW-1, Vol.2 Seller: modelhound@aol.com Starts: 05/22/99, 17:40:41 PDT Ends: 05/29/99, 17:40:41 PDT Price: Starts at $9.99 To bid on the item, go to: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=107675623 Item Description: BOOK - Aircraft Archive, Aircraft of World War One, Volume 2. Published by Argus Books, 1989. 95 pages, 8 1/4" X 11 3/4". Soft Cover. This is the second in a series of three books covering aeroplanes of the WW-1 era. This volume has detailed multi view drawings with much exterior and interior detail shown, photographs, and detail sketches of the following aeroplanes. Bristol F2B deHavilland DH2 Royal Aircraft Factory BE2c Royal Aircraft Factory FE2b Royal Aircraft Factory SE5 & SE5a Sopwith Buffalo Sopwith F1 Camel Maurice Farman Shorthorn Morane Saulnier Type L Nieuport 11 Nieuport 24 & 27 SPAD VII Hanriot HD1 Albatros B.1 Albatros B.II & IIa Albatros C.V/16 & 17 Albatros D.III Albatros J.I Albatros J.II DFW C.V Fokker D.VII Fokker Dr.1 Gotha G.IV & V LVG C.VI Roland D.II Rumpler C.IV These drawings are by Maurice Brett, Peter Cooksley, George Cox, P.L.Gray, E.J.Riding, Ian R. Stair, and Harry Woodman. They were originally published by MAP (Model and Allied Publications) in the Aeromodeler and Scale Models International Magazines of Great Britain. There is no picture of this book available, but you can e-mail me for further information if necessary. Buyer pays shipping at cost. Money Orders ship next day, checks wait 2 weeks to clear. Visit eBay, the world's largest Personal Trading Community at http://www.ebay.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 20:13:41 -0500 From: Matthew E Bittner To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Thanks for the Aeroclub FE2b tips Message-ID: <19990522.202230.-775839.0.mbittner@juno.com> On Sat, 22 May 1999 15:57:08 -0400 (EDT) Ashley9862@aol.com writes: > As always you guys are there to help.....I think this kit is going > to be a > fun challenge.....I'll let you know how it comes out. As well as provide pictures!!! :-) Matt Bittner http://www.geocities.com/~ipmsfortcrook http://www.discoveromaha.com/community/groups/plasticmodelers/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 20:20:16 -0500 From: Matthew E Bittner To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Pensacola & OTF (was Re: Models in Museum) Message-ID: <19990522.202230.-775839.3.mbittner@juno.com> On Sat, 22 May 1999 20:49:55 -0400 (EDT) "Bob Pearson" writes: > Just a reminder that the next OTF seminar is April 14/15 2000 - in > Pensacola. The convoy leaves Toronto .. (when was that again? Brad, > Dave?) > with stops along the way to gather various listees .... Including Omaha? :-) Matt Bittner http://www.geocities.com/~ipmsfortcrook http://www.discoveromaha.com/community/groups/plasticmodelers/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 20:15:55 -0500 From: Matthew E Bittner To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Salmson, was Re: Breguet 14 Message-ID: <19990522.202230.-775839.1.mbittner@juno.com> On Sat, 22 May 1999 16:14:41 -0400 (EDT) mgoodwin@ricochet.net writes: > Thanks, but not necessary. I found the library's OTF 5/4, which has > about exactly what I was looking for. And you can add airextra #2, > a > USAAS issue (with short piece on the 88th) of the Brit mag with all > articles written by a Mr. Kilduff. Sorry, I don't add things to my database I don't own. I consider it a personal database to help me track "stuff" in my library. However, if you're willing to send a photocopy...(I haven't added anything digitial - yet - need to figure out how to organize it...). Matt Bittner http://www.geocities.com/~ipmsfortcrook http://www.discoveromaha.com/community/groups/plasticmodelers/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 21:23:59 EDT From: Zulis@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Pensacola & OTF (was Re: Models in Museum) Message-ID: In a message dated 99-05-22 20:51:08 EDT, you write: << Just a reminder that the next OTF seminar is April 14/15 2000 - in Pensacola. The convoy leaves Toronto .. (when was that again? Brad, Dave?) with stops along the way to gather various listees .... Bob Pearson, (occasional OTF author/artist) >> Well, if it were up to me alone, I would vote for leaving on the Monday or Sunday before the convention weekend.... 3 days to get there.... a couple to enjoy the place before the party. But I am flexible, and I realize we will all have work schedules to juggle. If list members could arrive one night before, we could maybe have a get-together, but again - everyone is going to have their own special travel situations. Really looking forward to this, though.... Dave Z ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 21:36:46 EDT From: Zulis@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Pensacola & OTF (was Re: Models in Museum) Message-ID: <9274e9be.2478b5ae@aol.com> In a message dated 99-05-22 21:17:58 EDT, you write: << > Just a reminder that the next OTF seminar is April 14/15 2000 - in > Pensacola. The convoy leaves Toronto .. (when was that again? Brad, > Dave?) > with stops along the way to gather various listees .... Including Omaha? :-) >> We may have to invoke the Travel Article, subsection 3 re: diversions: "No diversions of more than one state from the direct route......" So far, we are looking at a handful of us (including Bob, I hope) coming from Toronto, meeting up with Sharon in Virginia, and I seem to recall someone from Georgia (maybe Carlos?) was going to join us as well .... lots of time to work this out. We need to take a few vehicles, as some people will probably want to stay a bit longer than others. And if we are buying stuff... and bringing guitars... might have to hook up the trailer... :-) Sounds like a good time to me.... Dave Z ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 21:29:37 -0400 From: John & Allison Cyganowski To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Pensacola & OTF (was Re: Models in Museum) Message-ID: <37475A01.5878@worldnet.att.net> I may try to make this Pensecola Meeting. Cyg. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 18:48:26 -0700 From: "Bob Pearson" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Pensacola & OTF (was Re: Models in Museum) Message-ID: <199905230158.SAA32293@mail.rapidnet.net> ><< Just a reminder that the next OTF seminar is April 14/15 2000 - in > Pensacola. The convoy leaves Toronto .. (when was that again? Brad, Dave?) > with stops along the way to gather various listees .... > > Bob Pearson, > (occasional OTF author/artist) > >> > >Well, if it were up to me alone, I would vote for leaving on the Monday or >Sunday before the convention weekend.... 3 days to get there.... a couple to >enjoy the place before the party. But I am flexible, and I realize we >will all have work schedules to juggle. If list members could arrive one >night before, we could maybe have a get-together, but again - everyone is >going to have their own special travel situations. > >Really looking forward to this, though.... > >Dave Z The usual OTF social is the night before (thursday) the festivities begin on Friday. . therefore a list one would have to be on Wednesday. Bob ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 21:35:17 -0500 From: "Charles and Linda Duckworth" To: "ww1list" Subject: Tom's Modelworks Nieuport 24 resin upgrade Message-ID: <002601bea4c4$e961d240$bd9259d8@q1p5x0> Can anyone comment on Tom's Model Work's resin modification fo rmaking the Eduard 17 into a 24. Saw a review in a British magazine showing the brass sheet, neat decal sheet and resin fuselage, vertical and horizonal tail surfaces. Couldn't tell much from the postage stamp photo of the fuselage in the magazine - how's the detail and what's Tom's price. After buying the Halb CLIV resin kit he did I'm not sure I'd want to get another resin from him without someone's review off this list. The CLIV has warped, thick wings and undersized tail surfaces. Too many errors and bubbles in the resin for the price. Was this a recent thread I slept through? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 21:39:18 -0500 From: "Charles and Linda Duckworth" To: "ww1list" Subject: The Master Scratch Builders Message-ID: <003001bea4c5$76d78160$bd9259d8@q1p5x0> Someone was looking for this this evening: The Master Scratch Builders : Tips & Techniques from the Master Aircraft Modelers by John Alcorn $39.95 Schiffer Publishing, Ltd.; ISBN: 0764307959 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 22:48:06 -0400 From: "Karl K. Juelch" To: WWI Mail List Subject: Louver Punch Message-ID: <37476C65.915716BF@earthlink.net> I would be very interested in seeing this info. Thank you, Karl DV wrote: >I have a short article on building a louver punch for sheet brass done by a >model railroader in the UK, if I recall correctly. I don't see why it >wouldn't work on styrene as well. It was a development of the one Gerald >Wingrove (the Harry Woodman of auto modelling) detailed in his first book. >I can dig it out if you or anyone else are interested. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 22:47:09 -0400 From: "Brad Gossen" To: Subject: NAM Report Message-ID: <199905230248.WAA13762@mail5.globalserve.net> I just got back from a day trip to the NAM in Ottawa. I was amazed to find standing on the floor next to the BE2 a brand spanking new Neiuport 12 restoration resplendent in silver dope RNAS scheme. The odd vertical stabilizer which it once carried has been replaced with a conventional Neiuport rudder. The AEG GIVs CF-104 wheels have finally been replaced by an authentic looking set of covered wheels. The Sop.Tripe, Pup and SPAD VII have been relegated to the rear storage area where they may still be viewed with some difficulty. The Tripe and Pup are wingless, to facilitate storage presumably. A second silver doped Avro 504 was also seen, wingless, in the rear storage area. On the way out I was, again, amazed to find the 2F1 Camel, formerly on display at the War Museum, standing next to the Swordfish. It's in wonderful condition! There is no sign of the DVII. I can only hope that means it's undergoing restoration in the back. Took lot's of pic's. If they turn out I'll see if I can talk someone (Bob) into scanning them. Brad ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 14:46:52 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Tom's Modelworks Nieuport 24 resin upgrade Message-ID: Charlie, > After buying the > Halb CLIV resin kit he did I'm not sure I'd want to get > another resin from him without someone's review off > this list. The CLIV has warped, thick > wings and undersized tail surfaces. Too many errors and > bubbles in the resin for the price. Was this a recent > thread I slept through? I *don't* have the Nie-24, nor the Halb C.IV but I can comment on the quality of the two kits I do have (as a pointer to Tom's stuff in general) Halberstadt Cl.II - not too bad, though probably overtaken by the B-M kit now. The wings, especially the upper wing, are overthick and have a few pinholes. The fuselage shape is correct except around the engine rear. This kit *also* has an "undersize" tailplane if you compare it with the datafile BUT this is a classic case of "NEVER trust a drawing unquestioningly". The *drawing* is wrong, which can be confirmed from the original German specs and drawings included. This was also mentioned in a subsequent Windsock magazine issue IIRC, but didn't stop Tom Wictor claiming the part was wrong in a still later issue. Nieuport 9/10 I can't say how accurate t his is since I haven't taken time to look it over carefully, but on the face of it seems quite okay. This time the resin wing parts are nice and thin, less pinholes and so forth. Both: Nice detail parts, metal is competent, brass is excellent, and decals printed by Superscale and Aeromaster which means competent printing at least. I'd *guess* that a conversion/detail part would be a nice piece of work. The less than perfect stuff has been larger resin castings in my experience Shane ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 01:20:05 EDT From: Ashley9862@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: AeroClub FE2b Part ID Question Message-ID: <22b24fc2.2478ea05@aol.com> Hi Guys, I just laid out all the white metal parts for the FE2b, but there are 4 parts on a common sprue that I can't identify. They look like fittings of some sort, 2 of the parts have what look like a swivel head, the other two some sort of clamping type "claw" head. Any ideas?? Candice ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 22:28:56 -0700 (PDT) From: bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Back Again Message-ID: <199905230528.WAA22832@compass.OregonVOS.net> Tom C. writes: >In a message dated 99-05-22 11:20:20 EDT, you write: ><< A capitol idea. What a clever lad you are. BUt I still favor my idea of > insuring them for 10x and collecting the bucks. >> >This is not a scam. If the models are good enough to be accepted by a >Museum, you would be able to take a tax deduction for the "market value" of >the models. When I make donations to Planes of Fame of the average 1/48 WW1 >model, I take a deduction of $300, which is what my collectors have bought >them at. IRS has never questioned this. It been a while since I was involved in practicing tax law but when I was, the rule was that if you made it, you were only allowed to take a charitable detuction for the actual costs of the materials and -not- the market value. Maybe the rules have changed but I'd haven't heard that they had. In other words, proceed a bit carefully on this 'un and, perhaps, consult a professional or phone the IRS taxpayers' assistance before ya' start writing off -too- much via this route. >So, insuring them for $300 each is >the fair market value of the kits, and if they are broken, you will be able >to replace them. That is certainly legit. However, don't forget to report the net insurance proceeds (insurance payment less cost of materials) as -income- on yer taxes if the insurance company pays you off. Cheers and all, -- Bill Shatzer - bshatzer@orednet.org "You don't need a weather man to know which way the wind blows." -Bob Dylan- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 02:38:39 EDT From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Tom's Modelworks Nieuport 24 resin upgrade Message-ID: <7462a070.2478fc6f@aol.com> In a message dated 99-05-22 22:34:42 EDT, you write: << Can anyone comment on Tom's Model Work's resin modification fo rmaking the Eduard 17 into a 24. >> Works perfectly. Did William Wellman's. I recommend the profipack Eduard kit because you want the photoetch. Watch next month's IM for more details. Tom Cleaver ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 02:42:12 EDT From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: AeroClub FE2b Part ID Question Message-ID: <59eb1271.2478fd44@aol.com> In a message dated 99-05-23 01:23:21 EDT, you write: << I just laid out all the white metal parts for the FE2b, but there are 4 parts on a common sprue that I can't identify. They look like fittings of some sort, 2 of the parts have what look like a swivel head, the other two some sort of clamping type "claw" head. Any ideas?? >> That's what assembles the "tail cage." Tom Cleaver ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 02:45:03 EDT From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Back Again Message-ID: In a message dated 99-05-23 01:31:13 EDT, you write: << It been a while since I was involved in practicing tax law but when I was, the rule was that if you made it, you were only allowed to take a charitable detuction for the actual costs of the materials and -not- the market value. Maybe the rules have changed but I'd haven't heard that they had. >> That's "art." Models - despite what we might think - are not "art." At least not to the Infernal Revenue. To the infernalrevenueslime they're "models." Toys. Aren't we all glad they're dumb enough to work for the government? Plus they don''t have the manpower to audit any account that will yield less that the $20,000 it costs them to run one. TC ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 07:06:47 -0500 From: kevinkim@interlog.com (Kevin & Kimberley) To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: NAM Report Message-ID: Brad reports: >I just got back from a day trip to the NAM in Ottawa. Took lot's of >pic's. If they turn out I'll see if I can talk someone (Bob) into scanning >them. > Brad, Photos of all the planes are on Al's web site from my last trip to NAM in February. However, Matt was looking for cockpit shots of the Nie.12. I would like to see more photos of the Shorthorn now too. You can pass on any photos you want scanned to me and I'll do them for you. I'm still planning to go to Rheinbeck next month. Kevin Barrett. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 May 99 12:06:42 GMT From: Len Smith To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: 1A2 into 1B2, Message-ID: <990523120642.n0000022.lensmith@mail.clara.net> Greetings etc. Some while ago Matt Bittner asked for details on changing the Strutter from a 1A2 to a 1B2. Sadly I must diasagree with the learned opinions that the bombs were hung under the wings/fuselage. According to Francis K Mason in the British Bomber since 1914 "The 50 naval aircraft of the first production order, built by Sopwith, were two seaters, but it was quickly decided that, when carrying the normal bomb load (of up to four 65lb. bombs in an internal fuselage bay) it was necessary to fly without the observer/gunner". This is borne out by a small photograph in Datafile 34 of part of the fuselage of a 1B2, without its covering, and showing the arrangement of the bomb cell between the fuel tank and the observer's cockpit, the gun ring of which is clearly visible. The bombs were hung from their top. Happy modelling! Len Smith http://home.clara.net/lensmith ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 May 99 11:43:12 GMT From: Len Smith To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: greetings/toko strutters Message-ID: <990523114312.n0000021.lensmith@mail.clara.net> Greetings! This is newmember Len Smith speaking to you, in English, from London,England. Over the last six years I have built 40 plus models (only another 60 plus to go), all 1/72 (is there another scale?) , all WW1 or earlier, all Allied (no germaniacs for me), mostly vacforms and mostly poorly. Photographs of some of the less objectionable are at http://home.clara.net/lensmith. WARNING! Toko strutters have one major error and two minor. The main trouble is that the undercarriage strut are approximately 1/4" too long, giving the poor beast a very nose in the air stance. Check the length against the Datafile drawing or the Flashback version which is correct. The other errors are no dashboard ( but if you cannot scratch one what are you doing here?), and the solid rear end to the fuselage. The Strutters, like many Sopwiths, had a naked rear end, very sexy. However, due to the way Toko have set out the tailplan and rudder this is also very easy to correct. Happy modelling! Len Smith http://home.clara.net/lensmith ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 07:18:14 -0400 From: John & Allison Cyganowski To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: AeroClub FE2b Part ID Question Message-ID: <3747E3F6.E50@worldnet.att.net> Yes, I believe I know what they are. These attach the emmpanage to the booms. The claw-like little fellows fit onto the booms just forward of the final set of boom struts. This gives attachment points for the horizontal stabilizer. The swivel fellows belong at the tips of the booms spike side up. These are the rudder attachment points. There should have been a profile-plan with an exploded cockpit assy drawing that came with your kit. The assy you seek is in the lower left hand corner, although mine shows only one of the swivels. Hope this is useful, John Cyg. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 07:33:01 -0400 From: John & Allison Cyganowski To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: greetings/toko strutters Message-ID: <3747E76D.5287@worldnet.att.net> Welcome Len! Lovely models. Hmmm........... 1/72 scale, a beast with a nose in the air stance. Now where have I run in to this before? ;-) Regards, John Cyg. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 07:53:01 -0400 From: smperry@mindspring.com To: Subject: Re: greetings/toko strutters Message-ID: <007301bea512$d01230c0$c82c45cf@smp> > Greetings! This is newmember Len Smith speaking to you, in English, from > London,England. Howdy & welcome from St. Petersburg, Fl > Over the last six years I have built 40 plus models (only another 60 plus to > go), all 1/72 (is there another scale?) , all WW1 or earlier, all Allied (no > germaniacs for me), mostly vacforms and mostly poorly. Photographs of some of > the less objectionable are at http://home.clara.net/lensmith. Nice page and beautiful models Len! That sure was a nice Sunday morning surprise. You do some nice work. So tell me, how did you do the rib stations on the Water Hen? I have that sheet of wing blanks from Rosemont and was toying with some ideas on how to put it to use. Regards sp Home page: http://smperry.home.mindspring.com/PWWIP.htm ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 08:08:13 -0400 (EDT) From: mkendix To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Back Again Message-ID: On Sun, 23 May 1999 Albatrosdv@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 99-05-23 01:31:13 EDT, you write: > > << > It been a while since I was involved in practicing tax law but when > I was, the rule was that if you made it, you were only allowed to > take a charitable detuction for the actual costs of the materials > and -not- the market value. Maybe the rules have changed but > I'd haven't heard that they had. > >> > That's "art." Models - despite what we might think - are not "art." At > least not to the Infernal Revenue. To the infernalrevenueslime they're > "models." Toys. > > Aren't we all glad they're dumb enough to work for the government? Plus they > don''t have the manpower to audit any account that will yield less that the > $20,000 it costs them to run one. > > TC > Tom: These days, the IRS is a bit more willing to help and answer questions on the phone. This time of year is better than phoning up on April 14. Don't make the mistake that because you are a pauper, the IRS will not audit you. If you're interested, the IRS has a web site that contains all their publications in adobe acrobat form, so you can read the rules for yourself. If I have time, I'll dig out the relevant pub and have a look. I don't work for the IRS, BTW. Michael mkendix@worthen.ihcrp.georgetown.edu ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 08:14:27 -0400 (EDT) From: mkendix To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: greetings/toko strutters Message-ID: On Sun, 23 May 1999, Len Smith wrote: > Greetings! This is newmember Len Smith speaking to you, in English, from > London,England. > Excellent! I used to live in Edgware. > Over the last six years I have built 40 plus models (only another 60 plus to > go), all 1/72 (is there another scale?) Alright... > , all WW1 or earlier, all Allied (no germaniacs for me), Alriiiiiight!!! > mostly vacforms not me ... yet.. > and mostly poorly. Definitely, I can idenitify with this person... Big welcome.. Michael mkendix@worthen.ihcrp.georgetown.edu ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 08:48:08 -0400 From: smperry@mindspring.com To: Subject: DONE Oh-Thingie Message-ID: <001201bea51a$82cf29a0$3b2b45cf@smp> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01BEA4F8.FAEC7E00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well, I've finished my step over the line to the dark and perverted side = of modeling and just placed on the shelf a SOOB rendition of the 1:48 = AMT 1 Oh, well you know what I mean. I did this crime against = sensibilities to shut up the incessant badgering I was getting from my = buddy. Now he owes me a WWI project ;-) He recently moved and claims he = needs to do some work on his garage before he can set up his modeling = bench, yeah, right . So, I've put off the Ilya as long as I can, (though the Pegasus Roland = D.II is talking to me). 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