WWI Digest 1591 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Breguet 14 by KarrArt@aol.com 2) Re: Favourite French aeroplane: was off-topic Francophobe jokes by Ernest Thomas 3) Re: lack of French stuff[bad text] by Tom Solinski 4) Re: Breguet 14 by Tom Solinski 5) Re: Breguet 14 by "David Vosburgh" 6) RE: Breguet 14 by Shane Weier 7) Re: Breguet 14 by Modelhound@aol.com 8) Re: Breguet 14 by "David R.L. Laws" 9) Re: lack of French stuff[bad text]/Finally a plane question by "DAVID BURKE" 10) Re: lack of French stuff[bad text] by "DAVID BURKE" 11) Reference series questions by "DAVID BURKE" 12) Africa and WWI by "DAVID BURKE" 13) Re: lack of French stuff[bad text]/Finally a plane question by Ernest Thomas 14) Re: Ernestly missing:Rogues by Ernest Thomas 15) Re: Rogues' Gallery by Ernest Thomas 16) Re: Africa and WWI by mkendix 17) Re: Nieuport 28 by Ernest Thomas 18) RE: Reference series questions by Shane Weier 19) ANy have any tips on the 1/48 AeroClub FE-2B?? by Ashley9862@aol.com 20) Re: Breguet 14 by KarrArt@aol.com 21) Re: Models Built by KarrArt@aol.com 22) Re: Favourite French aeroplane: was off-topic Francophobe jokes by KarrArt@aol.com 23) Re: ! by KarrArt@aol.com 24) Re: lack of French stuff[bad text] by KarrArt@aol.com 25) Re: lack of French stuff[bad text] by KarrArt@aol.com 26) Re: Structural Models by KarrArt@aol.com 27) Re: Reference series questions by KarrArt@aol.com 28) Re: Breguet 14 by bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) 29) RE: Breguet 14 by bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) 30) Magazine Alert by REwing@aol.com 31) RE: Breguet 14 by Shane Weier 32) Re: Breguet 14 by KarrArt@aol.com 33) Re: Reference series questions by Ernest Thomas 34) Re: Reference series questions by Ernest Thomas 35) Re: Models Built by Albatrosdv@aol.com 36) Aerodrome Modeler Update (was Re: Reference series questions) by "Bob Pearson" 37) Re: lack of French stuff[bad text]/Finally a plane question by Modelhound@aol.com 38) Re: Breguet 14 by Mike Fletcher ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 22:12:36 EDT From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Breguet 14 Message-ID: <6e90f294.24761b14@aol.com> In a message dated 5/20/99 6:45:45 PM Pacific Daylight Time, sdw@qld.mim.com.au writes: << I'd like to see a photo in plan view before I trust anyones drawing Shane >> Page22 of Vintage Warbirds N09 WW I in the Air by Rimell has a great top view photo of a Breguet14. Looking straight down.Yep- looks like the ribs are in the line of flight. Still wish I had an old Aurora to gaze on, but I'm not paying what it's going for these days! Robert K. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 21:24:13 -0500 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Favourite French aeroplane: was off-topic Francophobe jokes Message-ID: <3744C3CD.2151@bellsouth.net> Mike Fletcher wrote: > > Nope - its gotta be the Nieuport 28 - most attractive fighter ever > (nobody said the fabric had to stay put) Could be, but there's still that OT Brit design from the sequel to WWI. BUt the 28 is definitly the prettiest thing in the sky before 1930something. E. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 21:38:32 -0500 From: Tom Solinski To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: lack of French stuff[bad text] Message-ID: <3744C728.5CDA5B3D@ionet.net> > > Diving off the soapbox Too bad most of our soapboxes have trampolines at the bottom. Tom S with three cats and two dogs ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 21:45:36 -0500 From: Tom Solinski To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Breguet 14 Message-ID: <3744C8D0.E10B7A4A@ionet.net> Since this one is getting mythical in the states why don't we all send a nice email to the good folks at Glenco asking them to back engineer this one? I tried once but at the time they were off on cleaning up the ITC space ship dies. Maybe they are open to airplanes again, now that they've the SF stuff. PS I have a Breget. Ironically about 10 years ago when I first found out about rare kits, and this being one there was an add on the inside cover of AW&ST with a Bre-14 painted all chrome silver. What a waist. Tom S ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 23:00:02 -0400 From: "David Vosburgh" To: Subject: Re: Breguet 14 Message-ID: <00a201bea336$05eafbc0$68d690d0@Pvosburg> -----Original Message----- From: Shane Weier Date: Thursday, May 20, 1999 10:39 PM Subject: RE: Breguet 14 I wrote: <>the wing ribs >> are molded parallel with the leading edge... To which Shane replies: >I guess you mean at right angles to the LE, but I do understand. You're right, of course. A textbook example of RBYHSS Syndrome... "read before you hit send, stupid"! >In the absence of known accurate drawings AND photos you should not always >assume that WW1 aircraft have ribs parallel to the fuselage axis. <> Won't disagree with you there, mate. But in re: the Breguet I was going on Harry Woodman's authority, and he's a tough bird to argue with, generally speaking. Regards, DV ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 12:47:14 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Breguet 14 Message-ID: RK > << I'd like to see a photo in plan view before I trust anyones drawing > > Shane > >> > Page22 of Vintage Warbirds N09 WW I in the Air by Rimell > has a great top view photo of a Breguet14. Looking straight > down.Yep- looks like the ribs are in the line of flight. > Still wish I had an old Aurora to gaze on, but I'm not > paying what it's going for these days! I'll take your word for it, since my point wasn't that DV was wrong about the B.14, just that one shouldn't assume the ribs are always along the line of flight. But, dammit, for the life of me I can't think of a definite example despite clearly recalling reading about them. Incidentally, the Breguet is one where I'd rather start with a kit. The wings are a simple scratch job, but all those louvres - yech Shane ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 23:06:38 EDT From: Modelhound@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Breguet 14 Message-ID: <93b44f0e.247627be@aol.com> In a message dated 5/20/99 8:00:21 PM Pacific Daylight Time, sdw@qld.mim.com.au writes: << But, dammit, for the life of me I can't think of a definite example despite clearly recalling reading about them. >> I write: Not on topic, but, the deHavilland Tiger Moth for one. The wings were a swept back variation of the Gypsy Moth. Mike ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 13:47:50 +0000 From: "David R.L. Laws" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Breguet 14 Message-ID: <37456407.24D8@webtime.com.au> Anyone else bags Sandy gets a slush fund to pick up a few of these in the UK for List members ???? Sandy, at the risk of tweeking the Heelander in ye - last E-bay auction on this kit realised ( are you sitting down ), $US64.00 !!!! Sandy Adam wrote: Breguet 14 > >Aurora. > Is this kit rare in Oz? It was always one of the common ones in the UK and still regularly turns up at swaps. I was offered one for a song recently but have already got a few of them. > Sandy ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 22:04:57 -0500 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: lack of French stuff[bad text]/Finally a plane question Message-ID: <009501bea33a$79a46480$9930c0d1@dora9sprynet.com> Yeah, cooling it is a good idea. >Or vice-versa. If we're drifting in this direction, we'd best cool it. > >TC To return to topic, I was looking at my Squadron 'Albatros Fighters In Action' and have a question concerning the control arm on the D.III: in the line drawing, it looks thinner than the D.II. Do my eyes deceive, or was it narrower, maybe even a rod? Fortunately, its existence was pointed out to me at the local hobby shop by some of the local guys (one even had brought in his D.V - I figure it was a V because of the gap at the base of the lower wing). I'm moving towards rigging with nylon coat thread (monofilament). Anybody have any better suggestions? D.B. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 22:19:43 -0500 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: lack of French stuff[bad text] Message-ID: <009801bea33a$7d812980$9930c0d1@dora9sprynet.com> >I think your question is a no-brainer for me. Can anybody guess what my >favorite is? ;-) > > >Matt Bittner Hmmm. Well, from your reputation, I'd have to guess that it would be 1/72 scale, but I'll forgive that. I give, what is it? D.B. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 22:22:00 -0500 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Reference series questions Message-ID: <009901bea33a$7e39cb20$9930c0d1@dora9sprynet.com> Hey Everyone, I guess that the Windsock books are pretty much the benchmark reference for WWI A/C. Are there other series that are good for WWI A/C info? DB ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 22:45:41 -0500 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Africa and WWI Message-ID: <00a501bea33c$68627200$9930c0d1@dora9sprynet.com> Hey Everybody, Last summer, my Mother, Sister, and myself went to Kenya and Tanzania (we were in Tanzania when a group of very nasty people decided to bomb the U.S. Embassies in Daar es Salaam and Nairobi - that was a hell of an experience! I still feel worse for the Africans that died than for our people, but that's a different story). I was clued in that since Tanzania (Tanganika) was German, and Kenya was British, there was a lot of fighting there during WWI. Does anyone know if aerial combat took place there? Or were there any recon units posted to those Territories by either side? D.B. BTW, I learned that there is a historical basis for the movie, 'The African Queen', as there was a German light cruiser that was hiding in the rivers along the Indian Ocean and raiding British and Allied commerce, ducking back into the rivers after the attacks. Apparently it was sunk, and the hulk still sits and rusts in an inlet somewhere. Neat, huh? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 22:48:18 -0500 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: lack of French stuff[bad text]/Finally a plane question Message-ID: <3744D782.5C49@bellsouth.net> DAVID BURKE wrote: > I'm moving towards rigging with nylon coat thread (monofilament). > Anybody have any better suggestions? Yeah, .008 E strings. E. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 23:00:24 -0500 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Ernestly missing:Rogues Message-ID: <3744DA58.6C91@bellsouth.net> KarrArt@aol.com wrote: > > I thought I'd check out the Rogues Gallery this moring and see what might be > new....Ernest? Be brave.....some of the rest of us have! > Robert K. Seems my picture violates federal decency laws. E. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 23:06:20 -0500 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Rogues' Gallery Message-ID: <3744DBBC.5746@bellsouth.net> mkendix wrote: I notice Ernest's > picture is "missing"; shame, because I wanted to know whether he really > does have "A cobra snake for a neck-tie". Fraid not. Though I do have a length of 1&1/2 inch chain that I use for a guitar strap. And pretty much every guitar player that ever saw it said, "Man, I wish I had thought of that." E. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 00:00:35 -0400 (EDT) From: mkendix To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Africa and WWI Message-ID: Mafia Island was the location of an airstrip. Aeroplanes mentioned include 2 Henri Farhams, 3 Caudrons. RFC Squadron 26 had 8 BE2c's. "The Great War in Africa" by Byron Farwell. There may be more but I just had a quick look. Michael mkendix@worthen.ihcrp.georgetown.edu On Thu, 20 May 1999, DAVID BURKE wrote: > > Hey Everybody, > > Last summer, my Mother, Sister, and myself went to Kenya and Tanzania > (we were in Tanzania when a group of very nasty people decided to bomb the > U.S. Embassies in Daar es Salaam and Nairobi - that was a hell of an > experience! I still feel worse for the Africans that died than for our > people, but that's a different story). I was clued in that since Tanzania > (Tanganika) was German, and Kenya was British, there was a lot of fighting > there during WWI. Does anyone know if aerial combat took place there? Or > were there any recon units posted to those Territories by either side? > > D.B. > > BTW, I learned that there is a historical basis for the movie, 'The African > Queen', as there was a German light cruiser that was hiding in the rivers > along the Indian Ocean and raiding British and Allied commerce, ducking back > into the rivers after the attacks. Apparently it was sunk, and the hulk > still sits and rusts in an inlet somewhere. Neat, huh? > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 23:09:43 -0500 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Nieuport 28 Message-ID: <3744DC87.1F5C@bellsouth.net> BEN8800@aol.com wrote: > I was disappointed that the Jenny is roped off and they won't let you look > into the cockpit. That stinks when you are a detail freek like me. They have > a new museum in College Park Maryland with a Jenny but thats roped off also. Hi Ben, Welcome to the list. The NMNA in Pensacola has a Jenny that's half naked. I took a whole slew of pictures of it, though I don't remember who on the list I sent them to. If it comes to me, I'll see if I can get em to you. E. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 13:48:36 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Reference series questions Message-ID: Dave (B) > > I guess that the Windsock books are pretty much the > benchmark reference > for WWI A/C. Are there other series that are good for WWI A/C info? > Flying Machines Press (FMP) have a *very* short series of monographs still in print, and there are a couple of newish series coming out of Eastern Europe in languages entirey mysterious to me. Otherwise, AFAIK you come down to the old Profiles, Vintage Warbirds etc., none of which have plans, and the Harleyfords which do, so long as you don't mind them being (ahem) unreliable. Or you can buy big beautiful and expen$ive tomes like FMP's French, Russian and Austro-Hungarian volumes. Shane ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 00:49:09 EDT From: Ashley9862@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: ANy have any tips on the 1/48 AeroClub FE-2B?? Message-ID: <38eafb4d.24763fc5@aol.com> Hi Guys, I'm starting this kit.....just wondering if anybody has any tips to pass on before I get too deep into it. Candice ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 01:23:57 EDT From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Breguet 14 Message-ID: <5f12dc09.247647ed@aol.com> In a message dated 5/20/99 8:00:21 PM Pacific Daylight Time, sdw@qld.mim.com.au writes: << I'll take your word for it, since my point wasn't that DV was wrong about the B.14, just that one shouldn't assume the ribs are always along the line of flight. But, dammit, for the life of me I can't think of a definite example despite clearly recalling reading about them. Incidentally, the Breguet is one where I'd rather start with a kit. The wings are a simple scratch job, but all those louvres - yech Shane >> Oh yeah- no problem- I happened to have the book handy, and the specifics tickled my curiosity. As for ribs being aligned with the direction of flight, I know this isn't always the case, but I can't think of any either right now!.....oh no- it's coming in clearer.....the trauma must have blocked it out....the GOTHA! Yeah- ribs perp to the swept back LE. louvres...ugh Robert K. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 01:24:02 EDT From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Models Built Message-ID: In a message dated 5/20/99 12:35:32 PM Pacific Daylight Time, BEN8800@aol.com writes: << I wish there were more kits available in the 1/28-1/32 range....... Ben >> One word, Ben........Scratchbuild! Robert K. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 01:23:58 EDT From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Favourite French aeroplane: was off-topic Francophobe jokes Message-ID: <25ae5529.247647ee@aol.com> In a message dated 5/20/99 7:25:52 PM Pacific Daylight Time, ethomas6@bellsouth.net writes: << Could be, but there's still that OT Brit design from the sequel to WWI. BUt the 28 is definitly the prettiest thing in the sky before 1930something. E. >> The 28 is almost the perfect generic fighter biplane. It's pretty, and on any given day, I might lean toward it being the prettiest, but there IS the Nieuport 11........... Robert K. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 01:23:59 EDT From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: ! Message-ID: <6c5e3991.247647ef@aol.com> In a message dated 5/20/99 5:08:20 PM Pacific Daylight Time, ozaki@miln.mei.co.jp writes: << What about is this list? movie? SFX? Hiro >> I think the list has gone crazy today, Hiro! Oh yes- the new issue of WW I Aero that came today has some nice photos of the Salmson A2A repro at the Kakamigahara Air and Space Museum! Robert K. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 01:24:00 EDT From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: lack of French stuff[bad text] Message-ID: <8df001d0.247647f0@aol.com> In a message dated 5/20/99 2:19:09 PM Pacific Daylight Time, Albatrosdv@aol.com writes: << >> I have several French modeler friends - we all laugh at the kind of guy I put down at the party, they don't like that type either - I get better publication in France than America with my aviation stuff, and I am Story Editor to a French film producer. I don't think PC is something we need to bring up, and I hereby vote "no" on any. Tom C >> A French magazine published one of my paintings...I got me no beef wid nobody! Robert K. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 01:23:59 EDT From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: lack of French stuff[bad text] Message-ID: In a message dated 5/20/99 5:53:41 PM Pacific Daylight Time, smperry@mindspring.com writes: << Like the war we study, this List has a multi national character. Unlike that war, a spirit of mutual respect characterizes this List. Let's not stray too far out of character. It doesn't become us. sp Diving off the soapbox >> Damn right........ plus we all want to be as becoming as we can. Look at those faces in the Rogues Gallery and just try not to smile at what an outstanding group we are! Remember- the next dude or dudette you flame may be one these faces! Robert K. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 01:24:02 EDT From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Structural Models Message-ID: <89e9d550.247647f2@aol.com> In a message dated 5/20/99 12:18:13 PM Pacific Daylight Time, BEN8800@aol.com writes: << Nieto shows 5 holes, and factory 4 holes. I'm going with the 4 holes as I have other sources to verify it. But question is, was Nieto wrong? Or, at one time did some ribs have the 5 holes. >> When I run into a problem like this, I start scrounging for factory photos or, sometimes even better- crash shots. Of course you might run into the problem of some Jennys having 4 hole ribs and others 5 hole ribs. Then you start drooling and mumbling, then an idea strikes- maybe different contractors? But- crash photos- among the modelrs best friends! Robert K. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 01:39:26 EDT From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Reference series questions Message-ID: In a message dated 5/20/99 9:17:54 PM Pacific Daylight Time, sdw@qld.mim.com.au writes: << Dave (B) > > I guess that the Windsock books are pretty much the > benchmark reference > for WWI A/C. Are there other series that are good for WWI A/C info? > Flying Machines Press (FMP) have a *very* short series of monographs still in print, and there are a couple of newish series coming out of Eastern Europe in languages entirey mysterious to me. Otherwise, AFAIK you come down to the old Profiles, Vintage Warbirds etc., none of which have plans, and the Harleyfords which do, so long as you don't mind them being (ahem) unreliable. Or you can buy big beautiful and expen$ive tomes like FMP's French, Russian and Austro-Hungarian volumes. Shane >> If you can stand to wade through a lot of vapor, the magazine World War I Aero- the Journal of the Early Airplane has a lot of technical stuff. Around $30 US a year, I've become addicted becuase of the drawings, cockpit details. As an example of how insane these guys are when it comes to detail, the new issue that arrived today has workink drawings for the Albatros OEFFEG D III tailskid- a full page of cross sections, sheet metal fittings with full dimensions and fold lines, complete nut, bolt and screw specs. I mean, if you want detail- this is the place. Robert K. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 22:40:55 -0700 (PDT) From: bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Breguet 14 Message-ID: <199905210540.WAA02416@compass.OregonVOS.net> >In talking to Peter Fedders at one of our meetings he advised that the >Aurora Breguet 14 wings were way off th emark from drawings he'd compared >them to, I don't recall the issue with them Actually, except for the general "clunkiness" common to all Aurora kits, the Breguet ain't too bad. The problem with the wings is the ribs - they are perpendicular to the leading edge of the wing rather than perpendicular to the line of flight. Jest about impossible to fix and probably easier to scratch build new wings than to try and correct Aurora's. - perhaps a letter/email >compaign to Eduard is in order. If they can do an Albatros CIII, Hanover CL >and have a Roland enroute surely they could entertain us with one French >two-seater... I'd prefer a Salmson myself - but a Breguet would be a close second choice. Cheers and all, -- Bill Shatzer - bshatzer@orednet.org "You don't need a weather man to know which way the wind blows." -Bob Dylan- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 22:45:10 -0700 (PDT) From: bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: RE: Breguet 14 Message-ID: <199905210545.WAA03291@compass.OregonVOS.net> Shane writes" >I guess you mean at right angles to the LE, but I do understand. > >In the absence of known accurate drawings AND photos you should not always >assume that WW1 aircraft have ribs parallel to the fuselage axis. There are >aircraft where the wing was designed without sweep, then redesigned with >sweep to correct centre of lift problems *without* changing the structure >other than at the wing root, so the situation on the Breguet could >conceivably be correct (*I* don't suggest it is, just that it does occur and >I'd like to see a photo in plan view before I trust anyones drawing Try page 124 of the FMP "French Aircraft of the First World War" book. Cheers and all, -- Bill Shatzer - bshatzer@orednet.org "You don't need a weather man to know which way the wind blows." -Bob Dylan- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 01:48:57 EDT From: REwing@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Magazine Alert Message-ID: << You're in good company - there are severay R/C scale modelers on the list. >> I'm really glad this has come up. Wandering around the magazine racks the other day, I saw one called "Flying Scale Modeler" out of the UK. The May/June 1999 issue has a large Nieuprt 28 on the cover and the entire issue has a lot of WWI stuff in it. Features include: An article to build a LARGE, half-size, Nieuport 28 by Ian Turney-White. A free, full size plan for an electric powered, 33 in. (838mm) wingspan, Nieuport 11 "Bebe" by Peter Rake. An article about building a One-and-a-half Strutter from the Mick Reeves plan by Steve Jackson. An article about liguid cooling R/C engines using the ear radiators of a model Roland C.II by Don Lewis. A construction article for building your own 1:6 scale Lewis gun by Dr. Mike Hawkins. An article about "Simple Spoked Wheels from 'O' Rings" by Mark Bees. The issue also has a variety of photos of different "on-topic" models that many may find interesting. -Rick- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 15:37:56 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Breguet 14 Message-ID: RK, > I can't think of any either right > now!.....oh no- it's > coming in clearer.....the trauma must have blocked it > out....the GOTHA! Yeah- > ribs perp to the swept back LE. Ta-da !!! Actually, my tiny mind was thinking bomber, but I had Friedrichshaven in mind. > louvres...ugh Doesn't seem to be a powerfull enough statement somehow. UGH! Yup, that's it Shane ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 01:54:54 EDT From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Breguet 14 Message-ID: In a message dated 5/20/99 10:43:39 PM Pacific Daylight Time, bshatzer@orednet.org writes: << I'd prefer a Salmson myself - but a Breguet would be a close second choice. Cheers and all, -- Bill Shatzer - bshatzer@orednet.org >> Same here- I love that airplane and I'd scratchbuild, but more louvres than a Breguet . A kit would be quite fine yes indeed! Robert K. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 00:59:37 -0500 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Reference series questions Message-ID: <3744F649.907@bellsouth.net> Is it too late for Dave to get in on the Aerodrome Modeler deal? Which reminds me, Wozupwithat? E. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 01:01:35 -0500 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Reference series questions Message-ID: <3744F6BF.57D4@bellsouth.net> KarrArt@aol.com wrote: > If you can stand to wade through a lot of vapor, the magazine World War I > Aero- the Journal of the Early Airplane has a lot of technical stuff. I've seen ads for this. Can you describe the 'vapor' I'd be wading if I subscribe? E. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 02:17:54 EDT From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Models Built Message-ID: <976a2fec.24765492@aol.com> In a message dated 99-05-20 22:16:43 EDT, you write: << > What's the icon for "the finger"? :-) Try -: >> Or: .l.. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 23:29:16 -0700 From: "Bob Pearson" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Aerodrome Modeler Update (was Re: Reference series questions) Message-ID: <199905210640.XAA12170@mail.rapidnet.net> >Is it too late for Dave to get in on the Aerodrome Modeler deal? >Which reminds me, Wozupwithat? >E. All the pages are done and in Phillip's hot little hands. . he will be making a test CD for my approval soon .. after that he will send the works back to me for distribution. I'm not sure exactly how many requests we have at present if we account for boo-boos and overlooking anyone in my email crash, so I will ask anyone else interested to wait until done .. perhaps a later pressing may also be available. Paper copies will be done once I mail the originals to Bill and Rick to make copies of .. however these may require an additional amount to cover postage . . any further projects will be CD only. Regards, Bob Pearson Visit my WW1 Aviation page http://members.xoom.com/Sopwith_5F1 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 03:18:28 EDT From: Modelhound@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: lack of French stuff[bad text]/Finally a plane question Message-ID: <65c35bbc.247662c4@aol.com> In a message dated 5/20/99 8:50:31 PM Pacific Daylight Time, ethomas6@bellsouth.net writes: << Yeah, .008 E strings. E. >> I write: How do you get the strings to go straight? The only ones I can get are coiled in an envelope package and are curved when I open them up. Mike ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 00:58:53 -0700 From: Mike Fletcher To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Breguet 14 Message-ID: <3745123D.A790FE20@mars.ark.com> it happened on the Nieuport IV (but was fixed on the VI)...and it is so hard to tell if the subject is poorly documented. Shane Weier wrote: > > David V posts > > > This has been mentioned here before, but in case anybody > > doesn't know and is thinking of paying a premium price > > for one of these things, the wing ribs > > are molded parallel with the leading edge... but with the > > sweep-back it makes them horribly inaccurate, running at > > an angle to the line of flight. > > I guess you mean at right angles to the LE, but I do understand. > > In the absence of known accurate drawings AND photos you should not always > assume that WW1 aircraft have ribs parallel to the fuselage axis. There are > aircraft where the wing was designed without sweep, then redesigned with > sweep to correct centre of lift problems *without* changing the structure > other than at the wing root, so the situation on the Breguet could > conceivably be correct (*I* don't suggest it is, just that it does occur and > I'd like to see a photo in plan view before I trust anyones drawing > > Shane -- Mike Fletcher ___ ., mdf@mars.ark.com |-\|^----! ; mikef@sparc.nic.bc.ca |--n--""*" icq=19554083 @ ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 1591 **********************