WWI Digest 1588 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Luke Skybuster wasRe: lack of French stuff[bad text] by Albatrosdv@aol.com 2) Re: Structural Models by Albatrosdv@aol.com 3) Re: Movies WAS Re: lack of French... by Albatrosdv@aol.com 4) Re: Luke Skybuster wasRe: lack of French stuff[bad text] by Albatrosdv@aol.com 5) Re: Luke Skybuster wasRe: lack of French stuff[bad text] by mgoodwin@ricochet.net 6) Bad movies, was Re: Rotary engine by Ernest Thomas 7) Re: Structural Models by Mike Fletcher 8) Re: Structural Models by KarrArt@aol.com 9) Re: Luke Skybuster wasRe: lack of French stuff[bad text] by Albatrosdv@aol.com 10) Re: Bad movies, was Re: Rotary engine by Albatrosdv@aol.com 11) Re: Structural Models by Albatrosdv@aol.com 12) the 1:1 departed wasRe: Structural Models by KarrArt@aol.com 13) Re: the 1:1 departed wasRe: Structural Models by Albatrosdv@aol.com 14) Re: Future works! by "DAVID BURKE" 15) Re: Luke Skybuster wasRe: lack of French stuff[bad text] by "DAVID BURKE" 16) Re: the 1:1 departed wasRe: Structural Models by David & Carol Fletcher 17) Re: Structural Models by REwing@aol.com 18) Re: the 1:1 departed wasRe: Structural Models by Albatrosdv@aol.com 19) =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_=5FFrench=5FAF=5F=28WAS:=5F=A0RE:=5FLatest=5FOver=5Fth?= by "Sandy Adam" 20) Re: Speaking of SVA's, etc. by "Sandy Adam" 21) Re: lack of French stuff[bad text] by "Sandy Adam" 22) Welcome WAS: Structural Models by "Diego Fernetti" 23) Waldo WAS: Rotary engine by "Diego Fernetti" 24) Re: the 1:1 departed wasRe: Structural Models by John & Allison Cyganowski 25) Re: Luke Skybuster wasRe: lack of French stuff[bad text] by Ernest Thomas 26) Re: Luke Skybuster wasRe: lack of French stuff[bad text] by "Bob Pearson" 27) Re: Structural Models by "Paul Schwartzkopf" 28) Re: first posting questions by Allan Wright 29) Re: Structural Models by Suvoroff@aol.com 30) Re: Welcome WAS: Structural Models by BEN8800@aol.com 31) Re: Structural Models by BEN8800@aol.com 32) Nieuport 28 by BEN8800@aol.com 33) Re: first posting questions by "Douglas R. Jones" 34) RE: first posting questions by "Douglas R. Jones" 35) Re: lack of French stuff[bad text] by fedders 36) Rogues' Gallery by mkendix 37) Re: Nieuport 28 by "Douglas R. Jones" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 22:27:57 EDT From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Luke Skybuster wasRe: lack of French stuff[bad text] Message-ID: <6da9f681.2474cd2d@aol.com> In a message dated 99-05-19 21:21:08 EDT, you write: << Shot right, a balloon exploding at dusk ought to be as exciting as any sci-fi scene. >> Unfortunately, what they thought about was the fact that "Von Richtofen and Brown" and "Waldo Pepper" had been failures. As a Very Famous Star I once interviewed said, "you have to remember, show business is two words, and if you don't do the second one they won't let you do the first one again." Tom ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 22:40:34 EDT From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Structural Models Message-ID: In a message dated 99-05-19 22:19:48 EDT, you write: << No, I did not say that. I have factory plans of the Jenny. I have no idea what info Luigi Volunte has on the Nieuport for the design. >> There was a guy in the 80s who made Nieuport 28s full scale for the "94th Aero Squadron" restaurants here in Southern California, who had the drawings. FWIW, he also made a 1:1 replica Fokker E.II that flew very well when he was over at Fla-bob Airport. His name was Jim, last name escapes me now. Moved up to Apple Valley Airport, and should still be there if he hasn't crashed. Tom C ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 22:38:11 EDT From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Movies WAS Re: lack of French... Message-ID: In a message dated 99-05-19 21:57:46 EDT, you write: << Too bad, Tom. Guess they never heard of "Wings" and "Hell's Angels" and "The Blue Max", huh? I have some friends in the film industry, and they tell me that generally the money guys' bad taste is only matched by their arrogance. It would seem that the SFX people's advances in digital animation (witness the little intro sequences in Red Baron II) would make a WWI film easier to make than it was ten years ago... the full-size a/c wouldn't even have to be flying replicas. Could you imagine Jasta 5 done by Industrial Light & Magic? D >> Oh, yes, I certainly can. Especially after once visiting SFX heaven a few years ago (aka Skywalker Ranch) and seeing a scene done for "Red Tails": pilot's POV from an escorting P-51 of 250 B-24s flying over the Alps. Each one was as different as the "battle droids" are in the new Star Wars movie. I don't think Lucas is ever going to do "Red Tails" (I was in on a "technical" rewrite as one of the few screenwriters in Hollywierd who know the pointed end of a P-51 goes in front), but he came up with some incredible stuff. They were going to use full-scale P-51s with half-scale Fw-190s and do the air combat live. Didn't work since top speed of the Fw's was 10 knots over the P-51's stalling speed and they couldn't survive in the same airspace. So they took a bunch of pictures of P-51 air-to-air, then they took some shots of a 3/4 scale flying Fw-190, and some shots of Black-6. Took those, digitized them, and they had "airplanes," which could be "painted" for any unit they wanted. If you think they couldn't do air combat after those leaping dinosaurs... I sincerely hope they have dropped RT, because "people are interested" in my WW2 fighter pilot story, "Little Friends" because they know that software has already been invented. (Thank you Saint Steven Spielberg for restoring our faith in WW2 movies). Of course, a fairly-dark tale about the perils of celebrity always works down here. (It's true, too.) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 22:41:38 EDT From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Luke Skybuster wasRe: lack of French stuff[bad text] Message-ID: In a message dated 99-05-19 22:22:26 EDT, you write: << Brad Pitt as the Arizona Legend, Frank Luke! >> Either of those two guys from Good Will Hunting are the most likely candidates for fighter pilots nowadays. Tom ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 07:53:12 -0700 From: mgoodwin@ricochet.net To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Luke Skybuster wasRe: lack of French stuff[bad text] Message-ID: <374421D8.3CDC@ricochet.net> John & Allison Cyganowski wrote: > > Now Playing at a theater near you, Brad Pitt as the Arizona Legend, > Frank Luke! How about Brendon Frasier (sp?) as El Centro, CA native son/Russian Civil War ace (an exclusive distinction) Marion Aten in "Last Train Over Rostov Bridge"? Story rather a lot like Dr. Zhivago, with tragic love interest hook for the drooling corporate morons in hollywood (apologies to any regular joe morons). The catch is I get to be the historical consultant, with final word on aviation aspects of the film. Or, Matt Damon as Merian Cooper in "Wings of Eagles"... Riordan ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 22:16:39 -0500 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Bad movies, was Re: Rotary engine Message-ID: <37437E97.168E@bellsouth.net> Albatrosdv@aol.com wrote: > FWIW, the reason the movie "failed" No chance that the movie failed because it just wasn't a real good movie? I mean besides the flying scenes that only 'AEROPLANE' nuts would enjoy. Much like Blue Max, which was also a real stink-a-roo. And fwiw, the 'girl' on the wing will always be 'Janet Weiss' to me. Except when she's doing lesbian scenes with Catherine Denueve. (whoohoo) E. Rose tint my world and keep me safe from trouble and pain... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 20:29:27 -0700 From: Mike Fletcher To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Structural Models Message-ID: <37438197.CF18DC3D@mars.ark.com> bummer - and I thought I was missing something BEN8800@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 5/19/99 8:10:45 PM Eastern Daylight Time, mdf@mars.ark.com > writes: > > << you have factory plans of the 28? do tell... >> > > No, I did not say that. I have factory plans of the Jenny. I have no idea > what info Luigi Volunte has on the Nieuport for the design. > > Ben Lankford -- Mike Fletcher ___ ., mdf@mars.ark.com |-\|^----! ; mikef@sparc.nic.bc.ca |--n--""*" icq=19554083 @ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 23:39:50 EDT From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Structural Models Message-ID: <2d2608ae.2474de06@aol.com> In a message dated 5/19/99 7:44:14 PM Pacific Daylight Time, Albatrosdv@aol.com writes: << There was a guy in the 80s who made Nieuport 28s full scale for the "94th Aero Squadron" restaurants here in Southern California, who had the drawings. FWIW, he also made a 1:1 replica Fokker E.II that flew very well when he was over at Fla-bob Airport. His name was Jim, last name escapes me now. Moved up to Apple Valley Airport, and should still be there if he hasn't crashed. Tom C >> Mos' likely you be thinking of Jim Appleby. He's built a lot of WW I repros, and he LOVES real rotaries. Last I heard, he's doin' fine ( Maloney at Chino told me a few months ago) Robert K ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 23:44:14 EDT From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Luke Skybuster wasRe: lack of French stuff[bad text] Message-ID: In a message dated 99-05-19 23:02:44 EDT, you write: << Matt Damon >> Hopefully, Matt Damon as Johnny Godfrey, Ben Affleck as Don Gentile, Matthew McConnaughey as Don Blakeslee in "Little Friends," actually shot on Debden airdrome (still exists, folks!). Tom Cleaver ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 23:46:30 EDT From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Bad movies, was Re: Rotary engine Message-ID: In a message dated 99-05-19 23:18:58 EDT, you write: << No chance that the movie failed because it just wasn't a real good movie? I mean besides the flying scenes that only 'AEROPLANE' nuts would enjoy. Much like Blue Max, which was also a real stink-a-roo. And fwiw, the 'girl' on the wing will always be 'Janet Weiss' to me. Except when she's doing lesbian scenes with Catherine Denueve. (whoohoo) E. Rose tint my world and keep me safe from trouble and pain... >> I didn't want to bring up that the script suckth, since it was written by God, aka William Goldman. Same problem with "The Right Stuff," not written by William Goldman Tom Cleaver (currently playing "Thunder and Lighting" Sir George Solti and the London Symphony 32 recordings guaranteed to break any lease on the planet "Crank it to 11!") ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 23:48:40 EDT From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Structural Models Message-ID: In a message dated 99-05-19 23:41:43 EDT, you write: << Mos' likely you be thinking of Jim Appleby. He's built a lot of WW I repros, and he LOVES real rotaries. Last I heard, he's doin' fine ( Maloney at Chino told me a few months ago) Robert K >> Yes indeed, Jimmy Appleby - living proof that Airplane People Are Superior Folks. Good to hear about him doing fine. When you hang with those who fly 1:1's, you eventually deal with more than your share of early departures. Tom C ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 00:06:47 EDT From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: the 1:1 departed wasRe: Structural Models Message-ID: <157d346c.2474e457@aol.com> In a message dated 5/19/99 8:51:44 PM Pacific Daylight Time, Albatrosdv@aol.com writes: << Yes indeed, Jimmy Appleby - living proof that Airplane People Are Superior Folks. Good to hear about him doing fine. When you hang with those who fly 1:1's, you eventually deal with more than your share of early departures. Tom C >> Yep- first year me and the wife were together we went to two funerals of crashed buddies. Tell ya what, though, those airplane folks throw a hell of a wake. NOT being tasteless- it's just true. Robert K. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 00:18:39 EDT From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: the 1:1 departed wasRe: Structural Models Message-ID: <2780bc65.2474e71f@aol.com> In a message dated 99-05-20 00:10:04 EDT, you write: << and the wife were together we went to two funerals of crashed buddies. Tell ya what, though, those airplane folks throw a hell of a wake. NOT being tasteless- it's just true. >> It's simple: if they knew it was going to happen they'd go anyway. How many people on this planet get to go while doing something they actually not only like but love?? Tom C ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 22:55:39 -0500 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: Future works! Message-ID: <00b501bea27a$dc71ade0$1cf110d1@dora9sprynet.com> >Unless you have 5 well-trained cats who know that the one No-No in the >household is don't get on dad's workbench or into the model shelves. Try two long-haired cats who are shedding now, and all of this very fine fur makes it into the paint and under the decals! I find that a spray bottle filled with water secures the workroom! Cat hair looks bad under lozenge decals! Dave ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 23:35:14 -0500 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: Luke Skybuster wasRe: lack of French stuff[bad text] Message-ID: <00b701bea27a$de56e8a0$1cf110d1@dora9sprynet.com> >John & Allison Cyganowski wrote: >> >> Now Playing at a theater near you, Brad Pitt as the Arizona Legend, >> Frank Luke! > >How about Brendon Frasier (sp?) as El Centro, CA native son/Russian >Civil War ace (an exclusive distinction) Marion Aten in "Last Train Over >Rostov Bridge"? Story rather a lot like Dr. Zhivago, with tragic love >interest hook for the drooling corporate morons in hollywood (apologies >to any regular joe morons). The catch is I get to be the historical >consultant, with final word on aviation aspects of the film. >Or, Matt Damon as Merian Cooper in "Wings of Eagles"... > >Riordan NOW PLAYING!!!! Keanu Reeves as Eddie Rickenbacker in: 'Whoa Dude, Cool Plane!', with Winona Ryder as 'Bunnie', the strangely dull canteen girl, and Max von Sydow as the Germans. Also starring Kevin Costner as the strangely phlosophical commander, and Steve Buscemi as the soldier with trench-mouth. LIMITED ENGAGEMENT - NO ONE WILL BE ADMITTED DURING THE FIRST OR LAST HALF OF THE FILM A George Mucus Production with FX by Impetuous Slight and Tragic A 21st Century Hoax Film.... Dave B. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 20:33:59 -0700 From: David & Carol Fletcher To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: the 1:1 departed wasRe: Structural Models Message-ID: <374382A7.52B8@mars.ark.com> Albatrosdv@aol.com wrote: "How many people on this planet get to go while doing something they actually not only like but love??" Flying has been described as the most fun you can have with your pants on. I have spent the last 38 years in and around aeroplanes, but I think I have been to more funerals for people who were wiped out in cars than in flying accidents. The drive to the airport is the most dangerous part of the flight. And to bring this back to topic, I'd rather have taken my chances in a BE2 than a trench (but then again, airmen fight their wars from the closest Holiday Inn to the front lines...) Per Ardua ad Astra! Dave Fletcher ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 01:03:07 EDT From: REwing@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Structural Models Message-ID: <9b7897c8.2474f18b@aol.com> << Hello, I am a new subscriber. For those of you familiar with Model Expos Albatros DVa which came out last year, the Nieuport 28, similar 1:16 scale is scheduled for August production. (snip) >> Welcome Ben!! Cripes!! A 1:16th Jenny? There goes the spare bedroom! I have really enjoyed the Albatros; haven't built it yet, but I have really enjoyed playing with the plastic boxes of goodies. BTW, the instuctions look to be excellent. Keep us posted on the N.28 and the Jenny. -Rick- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 02:37:02 EDT From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: the 1:1 departed wasRe: Structural Models Message-ID: <2781b0a6.2475078e@aol.com> In a message dated 99-05-20 00:47:22 EDT, you write: << Flying has been described as the most fun you can have with your pants on. I have spent the last 38 years in and around aeroplanes, but I think I have been to more funerals for people who were wiped out in cars than in flying accidents. The drive to the airport is the most dangerous part of the flight. >> Well, when I was flying regularly at Sacramento, it wasn't the problem. Of course I only had 3/4 mile to go to the airport!! It is a fact however that Mercedes aces with ground-bound engines and vehicles have done in far more than the Pour le Merite list of Mercedes aces in the OT list. I think the Mercedes drivers in 1916-1918 were far higher on the IQ food chain that the equivalent variety here in Lost Angels. Tom C. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 09:12:34 +0100 From: "Sandy Adam" To: Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_=5FFrench=5FAF=5F=28WAS:=5F=A0RE:=5FLatest=5FOver=5Fth?= Message-ID: <00a401bea29c$75ff0e00$07e8b094@sandyada> >Replic on a regular basis. And, from personal experience, at least the >French Modelers I have met do not act "French," as the rest of us think of >that nationality. I hasten to say that I regard toute la monde francaise with total admiration. I can only admire a culture which is so proud of its own national identity and glorious culture. When I used to visit Paris regularly in the seventies, I gazed at the endless queues of Peugots, Citroens, Renaults with a very occasional BMW or Rover and nary a Japanese car in sight - at the same time all our British factories were closing down. Yes, many of these cars were owned ultmately by GM or Chrysler but they were all built in France. Unfortunatley it is now changing and the dead hand of Disney has blighted the landscape - but enjoy the rest while you still can. Sandy ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 09:05:29 +0100 From: "Sandy Adam" To: Subject: Re: Speaking of SVA's, etc. Message-ID: <00a301bea29c$751411c0$07e8b094@sandyada> >> I just noted that my local hobby shop has a new order of the SMER reissues of >> all their old WW1 kits. The good thing is, they have new decals! At the >> price ($5-$7) they are worth picking up if only for the decals. > And get them while you can - I heard last year that the original Merit moulds for the 504 and some of the others had finally disintegrated. So this is likely to be the last batch. Sandy ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 09:03:10 +0100 From: "Sandy Adam" To: Subject: Re: lack of French stuff[bad text] Message-ID: <00a201bea29c$74323d40$07e8b094@sandyada> >Look, they actually like Jerry Lewis! I think that says it all. ;-) > Can't hold that against them Cyg - after all, you guys actually like Benny Hill!!!!!! 'Nuff said. Sandy ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 07:05:22 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: Subject: Welcome WAS: Structural Models Message-ID: <005e01bea2a8$463a8bc0$4640a8c0@prens-001.ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Welcome to the list, Ben! Last year christmas I ask Mr. Claus to bring me that Alb DVa, but he fouled me again! That subject (the plane, not Santa's unreliability) was theme of a lenghty thread here on the list. Certainly, I can't wait to see Nieuport! Willl it came with a metal cowling? D. -----Mensaje original----- De: BEN8800@aol.com Para: Multiple recipients of list Fecha: Mi�rcoles, 19 de Mayo de 1999 09:15 p.m. Asunto: Structural Models >Hello, I am a new subscriber. For those of you familiar with Model Expos >Albatros DVa which came out last year, the Nieuport 28, similar 1:16 scale is >scheduled for August production. The model is designed by Luigi Volunte, the >Italian that did the Albatros. However, like the Albatros, I am writing the >instructions in English. You could not have understood the Italian, even when >it was translated in English literally. > >I personally am designing a 1:16 kit, also structural model, of the Curtiss >JN-4D Jenny for Model Expo (their Model Airways division as it is called). I >hope to get it done by the end of this year. > >Just thought you may be interested, and hopefully I may call upon some of >your expertise if I run into some detail trouble. I am working from factory >plans and photographs. > >I also design all the Model Shipways kits for Model Expo. > >Ben Lankford >Vienna, VA > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 07:26:29 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: Subject: Waldo WAS: Rotary engine Message-ID: <008b01bea2ab$39222940$4640a8c0@prens-001.ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> -----Mensaje original----- De: Albatrosdv@aol.com >FWIW, the reason the movie "failed" in 1974 was the scene that made my father >the former wingwalker say how good the movie was - when the girl goes off the >wing. In 1974, Robert Star Redford wasn't allowed by the audience to "lose" >the girl. I remember being in the theater with "hot bodies" (industry slang >for the "real" audience) and it was like the air went out of a balloon when >that happened. People actively hated the movie from that point on. > >Tom Cleaver > That means that I'm a cold body. I really loved when the idiotic Susan Sarandon fell! Wow! More planes and no more romance! yessssssss! the way I like the movies! D. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 06:40:55 -0400 From: John & Allison Cyganowski To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: the 1:1 departed wasRe: Structural Models Message-ID: <3743E6B7.D1B@worldnet.att.net> David & Carol Fletcher wrote: > > > And to bring this back to topic, I'd rather have taken my chances in a > BE2 than a trench (but then again, airmen fight their wars from the > closest Holiday Inn to the front lines...) > Hanoi Hilton? Cyg. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 06:44:55 -0500 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Luke Skybuster wasRe: lack of French stuff[bad text] Message-ID: <3743F5B7.3005@bellsouth.net> DAVID BURKE wrote: > NOW PLAYING!!!! > > Keanu Reeves as Eddie Rickenbacker in: 'Whoa Dude, Cool Plane!', with Winona > Ryder as 'Bunnie', the strangely dull canteen girl, and Max von Sydow as the > Germans. Also starring Kevin Costner as the strangely phlosophical > commander, and Steve Buscemi as the soldier with trench-mouth. > ROTFLSHTCCOOMN!!! E. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 04:53:02 -0700 From: "Bob Pearson" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Luke Skybuster wasRe: lack of French stuff[bad text] Message-ID: <199905201201.FAA12730@mail.rapidnet.net> Nah, Keanu would have to play Hartney ........ a sorta Canadian boy playing a Canadian who somehow became OC of an American Pursuit Group. .. Bob ---------- >From: Ernest Thomas >To: Multiple recipients of list >Subject: Re: Luke Skybuster wasRe: lack of French stuff[bad text] >Date: Thu, May 20, 1999, 4:45 AM > >DAVID BURKE wrote: > >> NOW PLAYING!!!! >> >> Keanu Reeves as Eddie Rickenbacker in: 'Whoa Dude, Cool Plane!', with Winona >> Ryder as 'Bunnie', the strangely dull canteen girl, and Max von Sydow as the >> Germans. Also starring Kevin Costner as the strangely phlosophical >> commander, and Steve Buscemi as the soldier with trench-mouth. >> > >ROTFLSHTCCOOMN!!! >E. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 07:28:22 -0500 From: "Paul Schwartzkopf" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Structural Models Message-ID: Hi Ben, and welcome to the list. I bought the Albatros DVa last summer, and am still trying to get the time to start it. Nice kit, to say the least. I cannot say that I personally am thrilled about a Nieuport 28 in the series, as this is not one of my favorites, but a JN4 sounds like a winner for my tastes--now I will have to convince SWMBO to let me get one when you get it done and released. So you are the one responsible for Model Expo's ship line? Beautiful work on these kits!! The one that really catches my eye is the Great Lakes brig (Niagra?--I don't have my catalog in front of me now). Will have to get this one real soon. After the JN4, how about a DH4, or a Spad XIII, or a Pfalz D.III, or a......... Paul A. Schwartzkopf ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 08:38:46 -0400 (EDT) From: Allan Wright To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: first posting questions Message-ID: <199905201238.IAA29762@pease1.sr.unh.edu> > I guess I better confess straight away that I'm a 1/5th or 1/6th scale > modeller,and that I build my models to fly (and sometimes crash), however, > the home page on the web said the list was open to all WWI scale modellers > so I thought, what the heck, dive in. You're in good company - there are severay R/C scale modelers on the list. =============================================================================== Allan Wright Jr. | You fell victim to one of the 'classic' blunders! University of New Hampshire+--------------------------------------------------- Research Computing Center | WWI Modeling mailing list: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Internet: aew@unh.edu | WWI Modeling WWW Page: http://pease1.sr.unh.edu =============================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 08:38:12 EDT From: Suvoroff@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Structural Models Message-ID: <9e45090.24755c34@aol.com> "After the JN4, how about a DH4, or a Spad XIII, or a Pfalz D.III, or a........." Say it! Say it! G O T H A ! Or to chant the old mantra; GO-THA! GO-THA! GO-THA! Yours, James D. Gray ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 10:07:22 EDT From: BEN8800@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Welcome WAS: Structural Models Message-ID: In a message dated 5/20/99 6:06:09 AM Eastern Daylight Time, dfernet0@rosario.gov.ar writes: << Certainly, I can't wait to see Nieuport! Willl it came with a metal cowling? >> Probably, but I don't know yet. The parts are coming in from Italy in June, so I will know then, although Model Expo is sending me some of the plans next week. Ben ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 10:07:20 EDT From: BEN8800@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Structural Models Message-ID: <143fc81.24757118@aol.com> In a message dated 5/20/99 8:30:14 AM Eastern Daylight Time, PSchwartzkopf@transcrypt.com writes: << After the JN4, how about a DH4, or a Spad XIII, or a Pfalz D.III, or a......... Paul A. Schwartzkopf >> I am sure after I do the JN4 I may do another aircraft along with my ship work. Model Expo is enthused about the aircraft as the Albatros is outselling the ship line. I always knew there were more aircraft buffs than ship buffs. The Albatros sold almost 2000 kits in less than a year. My selection of a type of aircraft depends on the available of data. I am real picky about not guessing on details. I need facts. The Jenny has a lot of available info and great detail photos available thru people who have restored the real aircraft. At this point I don't know whats available on other aircraft. What looks complete may not be that complete. For example, the Nieto plans of the Jenny published in the Model Airplane News Scale aircraft drawings (Also available full size forom the Smithsonian) leaves a lot to be desired. Lots of good detail, but lots of structural info and component details missing. The factory plans are much better, and a good photo is worth its weight in gold. WW1 aircraft as you all know have a lot of little details such as fittings for drag and truss wires are important for a design. Also, details are required of the engine and cockpit controls. When I design for Model Expo, I also do all the brass masters for castings or develop drawings for photoetched parts so I must know the details. How about the Avro 504? Thats one of my favorites also. Ben Lankford ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 10:07:23 EDT From: BEN8800@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Nieuport 28 Message-ID: <993c673f.2475711b@aol.com> Speaking of the Nieuport, the Garber Facility of the Smithsonian is currently restoring a Nieuport 28. I saw it last summer during an open house. Went over there specifically yo see the Jenny and went thru the building and there was a Nieuport. The fuselage was nearly complete and they were working on the wing ribs. God, what a small airplane. Even the Jenny looks smaller than photographs. I was disappointed that the Jenny is roped off and they won't let you look into the cockpit. That stinks when you are a detail freek like me. They have a new museum in College Park Maryland with a Jenny but thats roped off also. Ben ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 09:17:52 -0500 From: "Douglas R. Jones" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: first posting questions Message-ID: <199905201417.JAA26181@deimos> At 09:33 PM 5/19/99 -0400, you wrote: > I don't build to fly, but I enjoy watching other people put a fortune >through its paces! Well put Bob! Well put! Doug ---------------------------------------------------------- 'I am a traveler of | Douglas R. Jones both Time and Space' | IEX Corporation Led Zeppelin | (972)301-1307 | djones@iex.com ---------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 09:21:52 -0500 From: "Douglas R. Jones" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: RE: first posting questions Message-ID: <199905201421.JAA26474@deimos> At 09:38 PM 5/19/99 -0400, Shane wrote: >Hi Bob, > >..and welcome to the list I'll second that!! >You aren't alone. There are several (at least) on the list. Yup! I am one of 'them'! >Not only suspect "bears almost no relation" would be better. While this may be historically true it should not deter you from using the Old Rhinebeck scheme if you wish. If you are planning on competing with your model it simply must be a scale model of a documentable full scale aircraft. If you choose to go this route I can provide you with several photos (I took plenty) and could scare up video of the plane in flight including it's public debut. Doug ---------------------------------------------------------- 'I am a traveler of | Douglas R. Jones both Time and Space' | IEX Corporation Led Zeppelin | (972)301-1307 | djones@iex.com ---------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 09:32:29 -0500 (CDT) From: fedders To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: lack of French stuff[bad text] Message-ID: On Wed, 19 May 1999, John & Allison Cyganowski wrote: > Look, they actually like Jerry Lewis! I think that says it all. ;-) > > Really, It seems to me that Franco-American antipathy is a fairly recent > phenomenon. Does not Yeager, discribe in his first book that he actuall > had some run ins with French Escadres, where drop tanks were dropped? > > Cyg. > I think that the antipathy started when the French realized than English [America] had becom the language of science, commerce, diplomacy, and in fact, THE international language. French was spoken in the Russian and Prussian courts in the old days - but never by the masses. peter ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 10:41:02 -0400 (EDT) From: mkendix To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Rogues' Gallery Message-ID: It's really good to see the faces of folks in the gallery. Mr. Karr, if you really don't want that 0/400, I can use it. I notice Ernest's picture is "missing"; shame, because I wanted to know whether he really does have "A cobra snake for a neck-tie". Michael mkendix@worthen.ihcrp.georgetown.edu ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 09:52:29 -0500 From: "Douglas R. Jones" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Nieuport 28 Message-ID: <199905201452.JAA29100@deimos> At 10:10 AM 5/20/99 -0400, Ben wrote: >I was disappointed that the Jenny is roped off and they won't let you look >into the cockpit. That stinks when you are a detail freek like me. They have >a new museum in College Park Maryland with a Jenny but thats roped off also. Hi Ben, There is an original Jenny at Old Rhinebeck. I probably have a bunch of photos at the house. I would be happy to scan them and send you a copy. It is possible I have cockpit shots. The folks at Old Rhinebeck are very accommodating of modelers/builders who want pictures. Doug ---------------------------------------------------------- 'I am a traveler of | Douglas R. Jones both Time and Space' | IEX Corporation Led Zeppelin | (972)301-1307 | djones@iex.com ---------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 1588 **********************