WWI Digest 1587 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) RE: New Web goodies by Shane Weier 2) Re: Daves WAS Re: Rotary engine by "Robert Johnson" 3) Re: Speaking of SVA's, etc. by Tom Solinski 4) Re: Re:lack of French stuff[bad text] by "Robert Johnson" 5) Re: Future works! by Albatrosdv@aol.com 6) Re: Speaking of SVA's, etc. by Albatrosdv@aol.com 7) Re: Speaking of SVA's, etc. by Albatrosdv@aol.com 8) Re: IM by John & Allison Cyganowski 9) Site Update by "richard eaton" 10) Re: lack of French stuff[bad text] by John & Allison Cyganowski 11) Re: New Web goodies by KarrArt@aol.com 12) Re: Site Update by "Robert M. Farrar" 13) Re: French AF (WAS: =?iso-8859-1?Q?=A0RE?=: Latest Over the Front) by Mike Fletcher 14) Structural Models by BEN8800@aol.com 15) Re: Speaking of SVA's, etc. by smperry@mindspring.com 16) RE: New Web goodies by Shane Weier 17) Re: Rotary engine and COOL SPAD by Mike Fletcher 18) Re: Structural Models by Mike Fletcher 19) Re: lack of French stuff[bad text] by "David Vosburgh" 20) Re: Site Update by "Charles and Linda Duckworth" 21) Re: New Web goodies by KarrArt@aol.com 22) Re: Structural Models by KarrArt@aol.com 23) first posting questions by bobtom@key.net.au 24) Re: Speaking of SVA's, etc. by Albatrosdv@aol.com 25) Re: Rotary engine by Ernest Thomas 26) Re: French AF (WAS:  RE: Latest Over the Front) by Ernest Thomas 27) Luke Skybuster wasRe: lack of French stuff[bad text] by KarrArt@aol.com 28) Re: first posting questions by KarrArt@aol.com 29) RE: first posting questions by Shane Weier 30) Movies WAS Re: lack of French... by "David Vosburgh" 31) Re: Site Update by Matthew E Bittner 32) Re: Structural Models by BEN8800@aol.com 33) Re: Luke Skybuster wasRe: lack of French stuff[bad text] by John & Allison Cyganowski 34) Re: French AF (WAS:  RE: Latest Over the Front) by Albatrosdv@aol.com 35) Re: Rotary engine by Albatrosdv@aol.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 08:23:17 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: New Web goodies Message-ID: RK > Although, writing > in WW I Aero No158, Peter Grosz has this to say " The > Canberra sample was > painted with a thin layer of gray paint on the inside. > Whether this was done > at the Pfalz factory, or in Canberra for preservation > purposes cannot be > determined". I'm inclined to disagree with PG for once. The surface appearance of the un-repainted interior aft of the seat is quite different from the remainder despite the similar colour. > the cockpit > looked to be the same shade as the exterior gray. Whatever > that may have been exactly in 1918! Same observation on D.2600 I might make the point that the grey I looked at should have spent most of the last 80 years protected from light, though that doesn't preclude yellowing or colour shift due to other factors Shane ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 17:28:58 -0500 From: "Robert Johnson" To: Subject: Re: Daves WAS Re: Rotary engine Message-ID: <006701bea247$019d0d00$05f99ed0@robjohn.swdata.com> sorry about that. I had intended to take that to e-mail. I just got fat fingers. rob johnson ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 17:24:29 -0500 From: Tom Solinski To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Speaking of SVA's, etc. Message-ID: <37433A1C.E73122CE@ionet.net> New Decals yes, Old raised markings too, that don't match the new decals. What you save in cost you spend in labor. Just t got the "new" 504 yesterday. Tom S By the way Tom are we the only Toms? > I just noted that my local hobby shop has a new order of the SMER reissues of > all their old WW1 kits. The good thing is, they have new decals! At the > price ($5-$7) they are worth picking up if only for the decals. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 17:48:55 -0500 From: "Robert Johnson" To: Subject: Re: Re:lack of French stuff[bad text] Message-ID: <00a301bea249$c92e0020$05f99ed0@robjohn.swdata.com> There is another factor (at least as far as ethnocentrism and the U.S. is concerned). Up in till the U.S. entering the war. There was a lager and vocal German population in the States. I wonder if the Wright Brothers move to France had anything to do with this as well??? rob johnson -----Original Message----- From: KarrArt@aol.com To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Wednesday, May 19, 1999 1:00 PM Subject: Re:lack of French stuff[bad text] >In a message dated 5/19/99 9:15:41 AM Pacific Daylight Time, >cameron@prontomail.com writes: > ><< >in another sense, there is probably an ethnocentrism at work here. > > I agree but for differant reasons, the western world essentially owns > the world media, and by western world I mean the US predominantly. So > the ethnocentricity is US/UK readerships tend to prefer to read of > their own heroic tales and history. >> > > The French coverage (or lack) seems to have changed since I first delved >into the wonderful world of WW I aviation lore. In the mid 60's ( doning my >geezer bonnet now), all the French stuff got great coverage at the expense of >especially the British. >Guynemer, Nungesser, Fonck, SPADS, Nieuports- all were extolled over anything >else. Coverage of American activity was pretty much confined to >Rickenbacker, and to a lesser extent Luke but with heavy emphasis on the >Lafayette Esc. By the 8th grade I was so sick of Lufberry et al, that I never >wanted to see or hear about them again. I was almost blinded forever to the >beauty of the Nieuport 11. Finding out about Collishaw and the Sopwith >Triplane was a revelation. Egad! You mean somebody shot down Germans besides >Guynemer and Lufberry? > Things have changed! >Robert K. > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 18:49:09 EDT From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Future works! Message-ID: <112569af.247499e5@aol.com> In a message dated 99-05-19 17:56:04 EDT, you write: << Mine do that too, so I just round up the usual suspects, (the hound & the rat-dog), then bark and threaten all to no effect. It's a ritual, you gotta do it if you want the scratchbuilt part to fit right and look good. No other way 'round it. sp >> Unless you have 5 well-trained cats who know that the one No-No in the household is don't get on dad's workbench or into the model shelves. Works, too. Tom Cleaver ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 18:53:17 EDT From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Speaking of SVA's, etc. Message-ID: <339fc256.24749add@aol.com> In a message dated 99-05-19 18:32:33 EDT, you write: << By the way Tom are we the only Toms? >> I do believe. Tom C ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 18:54:50 EDT From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Speaking of SVA's, etc. Message-ID: <28b417ac.24749b3a@aol.com> In a message dated 99-05-19 18:32:33 EDT, you write: << What you save in cost you spend in labor. >> True. Sanding down the wings on the DH.2 is a real effort, but looking at sp's, worth the effort. I was almost thinking of these kits as "parts boxes," too, since at those prices one could get the decals in aftermarket were they available. Tom C ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 19:12:44 -0400 From: John & Allison Cyganowski To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: IM Message-ID: <3743456C.1E2@worldnet.att.net> KarrArt@aol.com wrote: > > Yeah- but I've seen my work, until I'm sick of it! I am not sick of it! Cyg. ;-) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 18:24:17 -0500 From: "richard eaton" To: Subject: Site Update Message-ID: <199905192323.SAA07367@sierra.onr.com> Well I think I have worked my way through my Austro-Hungarian phase. I got around to updating my humble site with even humbler 1/72 models: * Aviatik (Berg) D.1 * Phonix D.1 * Albatros D.III OEF * UFAG C.1 * Late War Kits Surf by if you get a chance. As always, comments and suggestions are more than welcome! http://www.onr.com/user/eatons/ Regards, Richard p.s. My compliments to you all on the excellent on topic info discussed the last day or so. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 19:23:02 -0400 From: John & Allison Cyganowski To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: lack of French stuff[bad text] Message-ID: <374347D6.2FF0@worldnet.att.net> Look, they actually like Jerry Lewis! I think that says it all. ;-) Really, It seems to me that Franco-American antipathy is a fairly recent phenomenon. Does not Yeager, discribe in his first book that he actuall had some run ins with French Escadres, where drop tanks were dropped? Cyg. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 19:44:39 EDT From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: New Web goodies Message-ID: <46c349d4.2474a6e7@aol.com> In a message dated 5/19/99 3:17:18 PM Pacific Daylight Time, sdw@qld.mim.com.au writes: << It's correct. The interior colour is grey. Not Silbergrau either, just grey. I base this on D.2600 in Canberra of which I took over 100 photos in 1997. The curator was kind enough to give me a research assistant who removed the anti-buffet screen to allow photographs behind the seat and inspection of the *original* finish which was quite deliberately not overpainted in the most recent restoration. We (curator of aircraft and I) discussed the issue of original vs restored appearance at some length. He was at pains to point out that the Pfalz in their collection was restored to as precisely the same finish as it had in 1918 as they could manage. I can vouch that the cockpit interior colour is the same (save for the effects of dust and crazing) as the unrestored surface. >> Sounds good enough for me. When I get around to the long delayed D XII masterpiece of my life, the interior will be......gray! Robert K. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 18:58:02 -0500 From: "Robert M. Farrar" To: Subject: Re: Site Update Message-ID: <001a01bea253$6fd3f660$152688cf@rmf> Richard, Nice stuff those Austro-Hungarian jobs! Bob -----Original Message----- From: richard eaton To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Wednesday, May 19, 1999 6:26 PM Subject: Site Update >Well I think I have worked my way through my Austro-Hungarian phase. >I got around to updating my humble site with even humbler 1/72 models: > >* Aviatik (Berg) D.1 >* Phonix D.1 >* Albatros D.III OEF >* UFAG C.1 >* Late War Kits > >Surf by if you get a chance. As always, comments and suggestions are >more than welcome! > >http://www.onr.com/user/eatons/ > >Regards, >Richard > >p.s. My compliments to you all on the excellent on topic info discussed the >last >day or so. > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 17:06:11 -0700 From: Mike Fletcher To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: French AF (WAS: =?iso-8859-1?Q?=A0RE?=: Latest Over the Front) Message-ID: <374351F3.C3FE08C3@mars.ark.com> Unfortunately for us most of the French historians seem (at least to me) more interested in yet another thesis on Napoleon than aviation, even with the importance of the French in aviation matters of the time. I have heard that there is a warehouse full of undeveloped ww1 film footage that hasn't even been developed (no idea of the veracity of this claim though, nor can I recall where I heard it.) -- Mike Fletcher ___ ., mdf@mars.ark.com |-\|^----! ; mikef@sparc.nic.bc.ca |--n--""*" icq=19554083 @ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 20:01:48 EDT From: BEN8800@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Structural Models Message-ID: <9fa3aced.2474aaec@aol.com> Hello, I am a new subscriber. For those of you familiar with Model Expos Albatros DVa which came out last year, the Nieuport 28, similar 1:16 scale is scheduled for August production. The model is designed by Luigi Volunte, the Italian that did the Albatros. However, like the Albatros, I am writing the instructions in English. You could not have understood the Italian, even when it was translated in English literally. I personally am designing a 1:16 kit, also structural model, of the Curtiss JN-4D Jenny for Model Expo (their Model Airways division as it is called). I hope to get it done by the end of this year. Just thought you may be interested, and hopefully I may call upon some of your expertise if I run into some detail trouble. I am working from factory plans and photographs. I also design all the Model Shipways kits for Model Expo. Ben Lankford Vienna, VA ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 20:05:29 -0400 From: smperry@mindspring.com To: Subject: Re: Speaking of SVA's, etc. Message-ID: <001501bea254$7974c180$592b45cf@smp> ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 1999 6:57 PM Subject: Re: Speaking of SVA's, etc. > In a message dated 99-05-19 18:32:33 EDT, you write: > > << > By the way Tom are we the only Toms? > >> > I do believe. > > Tom C I take it the 5 cats are all female ;-) sp ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 10:07:39 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: New Web goodies Message-ID: RK > Sounds good enough for me. When I get around to the long > delayed D XII > masterpiece of my life, the interior will be......gray! We'll have to agree to disagree then. Mine will be ....grey! Shane (ob-modelling. Mine is the B-M kit mind you, not some scratchbuild masterpiece a le Karr. Which, BTW is a very nice piece of Chris Gannons plastic with no step in the wing though the TE is a little thick.) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 17:09:21 -0700 From: Mike Fletcher To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Rotary engine and COOL SPAD Message-ID: <374352B1.6B4511B6@mars.ark.com> the Smithsonian has another Nieuport (17 or 23) that was converted into the Berliner Helicopter, No idea where it is currently held though (Garber too?) -- Mike Fletcher ___ ., mdf@mars.ark.com |-\|^----! ; mikef@sparc.nic.bc.ca |--n--""*" icq=19554083 @ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 17:11:28 -0700 From: Mike Fletcher To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Structural Models Message-ID: <37435330.CB7181E3@mars.ark.com> you have factory plans of the 28? do tell... -- Mike Fletcher ___ ., mdf@mars.ark.com |-\|^----! ; mikef@sparc.nic.bc.ca |--n--""*" icq=19554083 @ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 20:16:17 -0400 From: "David Vosburgh" To: Subject: Re: lack of French stuff[bad text] Message-ID: <008501bea255$fbaa1460$90d690d0@Pvosburg> -----Original Message----- From: John & Allison Cyganowski Date: Wednesday, May 19, 1999 8:27 PM Subject: Re: lack of French stuff[bad text] Cyg writes: >Really, It seems to me that Franco-American antipathy is a fairly recent >phenomenon. Does not Yeager, discribe in his first book that he actuall >had some run ins with French Escadres, where drop tanks were dropped? And then there were the tragic & bizarre events of Operation Torch in 1942, which saw USN Wildcats shooting down 10 American-made Curtiss Hawk 75s from GC II/5 which were flying in defence of Casablanca. The great irony was that the Vichy fighters carried the Indian head emblem of the Escadrille Lafayette. DV ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 19:14:55 -0500 From: "Charles and Linda Duckworth" To: Subject: Re: Site Update Message-ID: <007501bea256$6940e3a0$6b5cdfd1@q1p5x0> Richard great work on your A-H models, but my favorite is your W.12 - you've put lots of work on this model ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 20:47:29 EDT From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: New Web goodies Message-ID: <6627b3e0.2474b5a1@aol.com> In a message dated 5/19/99 5:09:35 PM Pacific Daylight Time, sdw@qld.mim.com.au writes: << RK > Sounds good enough for me. When I get around to the long > delayed D XII > masterpiece of my life, the interior will be......gray! We'll have to agree to disagree then. Mine will be ....grey! Shane (ob-modelling. Mine is the B-M kit mind you, not some scratchbuild masterpiece a le Karr. Which, BTW is a very nice piece of Chris Gannons plastic with no step in the wing though the TE is a little thick.) >> All right- gr*y! Just because I have a murky plan in my brain for a scratchbuilt doesn't rule out a B-M! It's all a bit down the line, though, as I'm trapped for the time being with some off-topic painting. Robert K. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 20:47:31 EDT From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Structural Models Message-ID: <4a880b7d.2474b5a3@aol.com> In a message dated 5/19/99 5:06:18 PM Pacific Daylight Time, BEN8800@aol.com writes: << Hello, I am a new subscriber. For those of you familiar with Model Expos Albatros DVa which came out last year, the Nieuport 28, similar 1:16 scale is scheduled for August production. >> Well, howdy and welcome to the (what was it Ernest called it?)Monkey House! Robert K. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 10:56:31 +1000 From: bobtom@key.net.au To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: first posting questions Message-ID: <199905200056.KAA19242@house.key.net.au> G'Day All I guess I better confess straight away that I'm a 1/5th or 1/6th scale modeller,and that I build my models to fly (and sometimes crash), however, the home page on the web said the list was open to all WWI scale modellers so I thought, what the heck, dive in. I am just starting a 1/6th scale Fokker D-VII, and it's the first WWI plane plane I've attempted to scale model. Up till now I've been concentrating on WWII. I have suddenly become aware how much more difficult it is to obtain good documentation on this plane than others I've modelled. I think its a combination of it being a WWI plane and the fact that it isn't one of the WWI allies planes. That said I am gradually getting my documentation together. I am hoping to finish the model in "The Seven Swabians" paint scheme. A search of this lists' archives revealed two posts in 1995 on this topic. One says "According to the Windsock issue that deals with the SS D.VII, the Old Rhinebeck D.VII scheme is very suspect." Of course it's suspect, it's the one I have photos of! Are there many photos of the original paint scheme? I have one of a D-VII in a hanger that doesnt really show much detail and I would appreciate any information leading to more pics. The only line drawings I have seen mentioned, that is supposedly available is a decal sheet. PD Decals Sheet 72-016 Fokker D.VII. Does anyone know if this decal is accurate and whether it would be suitable for enlarging to 1/6th scale? Any information on this scheme will be really appreciated. Bob T ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 21:03:41 EDT From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Speaking of SVA's, etc. Message-ID: In a message dated 99-05-19 20:08:11 EDT, you write: << I take it the 5 cats are all female ;-) >> They are indeed - how else could you have as much cooperation, collaboration, and occasional war?? Pyewacket, 9 tomorrow; Samantha, 7 in March; the terrible twosome, Sally and Midnight (sisters) 3 next month; Bastet, 1 last week. I love 'em all. Tom C ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 20:14:52 -0500 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Rotary engine Message-ID: <3743620C.3281@bellsouth.net> Tom Solinski wrote: > BRRRP BRRRP BRRPPPPP Watch the movie it goes around! I believe that the camel was real. I just don't think the engine sounds were real. E. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 20:17:39 -0500 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: French AF (WAS:  RE: Latest Over the Front) Message-ID: <374362B3.6BE@bellsouth.net> Sandy Adam wrote: > You'll see French films and read French books about French subjects. And let's not forget Martin & Lewis. :) E. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 21:17:19 EDT From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Luke Skybuster wasRe: lack of French stuff[bad text] Message-ID: <91398aa2.2474bc9f@aol.com> In a message dated 5/19/99 2:15:59 PM Pacific Daylight Time, Albatrosdv@aol.com writes: << At one time in the 1980s, a screenplay I wrote, "The Arizona Cowboy" which was about Luke, actually got optioned, a relatively-significant amount of money changed hands and meetings were held, before they came to their senses and realized "World War I flying movies will never sell." Tom Cleaver >> Shot right, a balloon exploding at dusk ought to be as exciting as any sci-fi scene. But, alas, I doubt if we'll ever get to see anything like it on the big screen ( hmmmm....now that I've written this, maybe the reverse voo-doo will kick in and the 2001 summer blockbuster movie will be....no...just a thought) Robert K. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 21:31:56 EDT From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: first posting questions Message-ID: <12996cce.2474c00c@aol.com> In a message dated 5/19/99 5:58:23 PM Pacific Daylight Time, bobtom@key.net.au writes: << G'Day All I guess I better confess straight away that I'm a 1/5th or 1/6th scale modeller,and that I build my models to fly (and sometimes crash), however, the home page on the web said the list was open to all WWI scale modellers so I thought, what the heck, dive in. >> Howdy to y'all! Heck, scale don't matter around here- right guys and gals? You folks that build them big and fly them can show us static folks a thing or two about how it's done. I don't build to fly, but I enjoy watching other people put a fortune through its paces! Robert K. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 11:39:24 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Cc: "'bobtom@key.net.au'" Subject: RE: first posting questions Message-ID: Hi Bob, ...and welcome to the list > I guess I better confess straight away that I'm a 1/5th or 1/6th scale > modeller, You aren't alone. There are several (at least) on the list. > I have suddenly become aware how much more difficult it > is to obtain > good documentation on this plane than others I've modelled. I > think its a > combination of it being a WWI plane and the fact that it > isn't one of the WWI allies planes. In my experience the reverse is true, partly because of the loss of much French material in WW2 and partly because of British restrictions on photography in WW1, but mostly because *most* people, including the historians, seem fixated on the German stuff and far more work has been done. > > That said I am gradually getting my documentation together. I > am hoping to > finish the model in "The Seven Swabians" paint scheme. A > search of this > lists' archives revealed two posts in 1995 on this topic. One says > "According to the Windsock issue that deals with the SS D.VII, the Old > Rhinebeck D.VII scheme is very suspect." Of course it's > suspect, it's the one I have photos of! Not only suspect "bears almost no relation" would be better. > > Are there many photos of the original paint scheme? I have > one of a D-VII > in a hanger that doesnt really show much detail and I would > appreciate any > information leading to more pics. There are precisely TWO, one from each side. Comparison with the Old Rhinebeck machine leave little doubt about its accuracy. > > The only line drawings I have seen mentioned, that is > supposedly available > is a decal sheet. PD Decals Sheet 72-016 Fokker D.VII. Does > anyone know if > this decal is accurate and whether it would be suitable for > enlarging to 1/6th scale? > The outlines match the photos quite well. I used the 1/48 set on a model several years ago - it appears in the photo gallery on Al's site http://pease1.sr.unh.edu if you'd like a look. This is how I'm familiar with the existing photos BTW. I *think* the Swabians machine has been discussed at length several times, so you should be able to find more in the archive. Otherwise, I can get together all my info and pass it to you assuming a postal delay from Brisbane is not a problem ;-) > Any information on this scheme will be really appreciated. And will appear immediately around here Happy modelling Shane ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 21:59:47 -0400 From: "David Vosburgh" To: Subject: Movies WAS Re: lack of French... Message-ID: <005c01bea264$70f9c900$77d690d0@Pvosburg> -----Original Message----- From: Albatrosdv@aol.com Date: Wednesday, May 19, 1999 6:08 PM Subject: Re: lack of French stuff[bad text] Tom wrote: >At one time in the 1980s, a screenplay I wrote, "The Arizona Cowboy" which >was about Luke, actually got optioned, a relatively-significant amount of >money changed hands and meetings were held, before they came to their senses >and realized "World War I flying movies will never sell." Too bad, Tom. Guess they never heard of "Wings" and "Hell's Angels" and "The Blue Max", huh? I have some friends in the film industry, and they tell me that generally the money guys' bad taste is only matched by their arrogance. It would seem that the SFX people's advances in digital animation (witness the little intro sequences in Red Baron II) would make a WWI film easier to make than it was ten years ago... the full-size a/c wouldn't even have to be flying replicas. Could you imagine Jasta 5 done by Industrial Light & Magic? DV ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 19:28:05 -0500 From: Matthew E Bittner To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Site Update Message-ID: <19990519.210512.-844619.0.mbittner@juno.com> On Wed, 19 May 1999 19:24:09 -0400 (EDT) "richard eaton" writes: > Well I think I have worked my way through my Austro-Hungarian phase. > I got around to updating my humble site with even humbler 1/72 > models: Most excellent! Great job all around. I really enjoy seeing your work, Richard. Keep up the great work, but build more French! ;-) Matt Bittner http://www.geocities.com/~ipmsfortcrook http://www.discoveromaha.com/community/groups/plasticmodelers/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 22:10:34 EDT From: BEN8800@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Structural Models Message-ID: <26a7dd6e.2474c91a@aol.com> In a message dated 5/19/99 8:10:45 PM Eastern Daylight Time, mdf@mars.ark.com writes: << you have factory plans of the 28? do tell... >> No, I did not say that. I have factory plans of the Jenny. I have no idea what info Luigi Volunte has on the Nieuport for the design. Ben Lankford ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 22:07:34 -0400 From: John & Allison Cyganowski To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Luke Skybuster wasRe: lack of French stuff[bad text] Message-ID: <37436E66.883@worldnet.att.net> KarrArt@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 5/19/99 2:15:59 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > Albatrosdv@aol.com writes: > > << At one time in the 1980s, a screenplay I wrote, "The Arizona Cowboy" which > was about Luke, actually got optioned, a relatively-significant amount of > money changed hands and meetings were held, before they came to their senses > and realized "World War I flying movies will never sell." > > Tom Cleaver >> > > Shot right, a balloon exploding at dusk ought to be as exciting as any sci-fi > scene. > But, alas, I doubt if we'll ever get to see anything like it on the big > screen ( hmmmm....now that I've written this, maybe the reverse voo-doo will > kick in and the 2001 summer blockbuster movie will be....no...just a thought) > Robert K. Now Playing at a theater near you, Brad Pitt as the Arizona Legend, Frank Luke! Cyg. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 22:25:25 EDT From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: French AF (WAS:  RE: Latest Over the Front) Message-ID: <59e0e197.2474cc95@aol.com> In a message dated 99-05-19 21:20:49 EDT, you write: << And let's not forget Martin & Lewis. :) E. >> No, just Lewis. Tom C ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 22:24:49 EDT From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Rotary engine Message-ID: In a message dated 99-05-19 21:17:58 EDT, you write: << Tom Solinski wrote: > BRRRP BRRRP BRRPPPPP Watch the movie it goes around! I believe that the camel was real. I just don't think the engine sounds were real. E. >> Actually you all might like to know that as much as could be done "real" in the Great Waldo Pepper was done "real." The Director was a pilot, USMC WW2 in the South Pacific, who was an antique airplane owner and flew his own 1:1 replica Nieuport 11, as well as a couple of other airplanes. So I suspect the blip-blip was at least recorded to sound real, because he knew it was in there. FWIW, the reason the movie "failed" in 1974 was the scene that made my father the former wingwalker say how good the movie was - when the girl goes off the wing. In 1974, Robert Star Redford wasn't allowed by the audience to "lose" the girl. I remember being in the theater with "hot bodies" (industry slang for the "real" audience) and it was like the air went out of a balloon when that happened. People actively hated the movie from that point on. Tom Cleaver ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 1587 **********************