WWI Digest 1586 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Latest Over the Front by "Mike" 2) New Web goodies by Allan Wright 3) Re: Latest Over the Front by "Robert M. Farrar" 4) by fedders 5) French AF (WAS: RE: Latest Over the Front) by "Dr. Phillip Anz-Meador" 6) Re: Speaking of SVA's, etc. by Albatrosdv@aol.com 7) Re: French AF (WAS: =??B?oFJFOg==?= Latest Over the Front) by "cameron rile" 8) Re: New Web goodies by "D. Anderson" <2814823733@home.com> 9) Re: Daves WAS Re: Rotary engine by "Bob Pearson" 10) Re: Daves WAS Re: Rotary engine by "Robert M. Farrar" 11) Re:lack of French stuff[bad text] by KarrArt@aol.com 12) Re: New Web goodies by KarrArt@aol.com 13) Re: Latest Over the Front by Zulis@aol.com 14) Re: Daves WAS Re: Rotary engine by KarrArt@aol.com 15) Re: IM by KarrArt@aol.com 16) Re: Speaking of SVA's, etc. by KarrArt@aol.com 17) Re: Back to the Future by KarrArt@aol.com 18) Re:lack of French stuff[bad text] by "cameron rile" 19) Re: Daves WAS Re: Rotary engine by David & Carol Fletcher 20) Re: Rotary engine and COOL SPAD by "DAVID BURKE" 21) Re: lack of French stuff[bad text] by Albatrosdv@aol.com 22) Re: Rotary engine by Tom Solinski 23) =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_French_AF_=28WAS:_=A0RE:_Latest_Over_the_Front=29?= by "Sandy Adam" 24) Re: _French_AF_(WAS:_ RE:_Latest_Over_the_Front) by Albatrosdv@aol.com 25) Re: Future works! by smperry@mindspring.com 26) ATT. Charles Hart by Pedro e Francisca Soares 27) Re: Rotary engine by KarrArt@aol.com 28) Re: Daves WAS Re: Rotary engine by KarrArt@aol.com 29) =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re:=20=5FFrench=5FAF=5F(WAS:=5F=A0RE:=5FLatest=5F?= by KarrArt@aol.com 30) RE: New Web goodies by Shane Weier 31) Re: Daves WAS Re: Rotary engine by "Robert Johnson" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 05:49:14 -0700 From: "Mike" To: Subject: Re: Latest Over the Front Message-ID: <00ce01bea1f6$008b2ba0$ae8c3ace@default> If a person was to join OtF today, would it be possible to receive this issue? Really need that article on the 1/28th Lozenge. Have two Revell DVII's in the Queue waiting to be built (chopped and channelled, fixing the tubby fuselage lines....) Mike Dicianna "Der Rote Modellflugzeugbauer" > Received Vol 14 No 1 of OtF yesterday. Good issue! The wonderful part > is that they have started translating the Nachrichtenblatt and include > part of the translation in this issue. They say they will keep adding to > it. > > Plus Jim Wallace has an article on how he made 1/28th lozenge for his > Revell Fokker D.VII. If Jim is still on this list, great job! > > However, one thing is apparent. OtF is lacking French stuff! :-) > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 10:11:26 -0400 (EDT) From: Allan Wright To: wwi Subject: New Web goodies Message-ID: <199905191411.KAA22550@pease1.sr.unh.edu> Hi Modelers, Some great photos courtesy of Robert Karr. Beardmore 120hp and Pfalz D-XII cockpit details. http://pease1.sr.unh.edu/Images/Karr/index.html Enjoy! -Allan =============================================================================== Allan Wright Jr. | You fell victim to one of the 'classic' blunders! University of New Hampshire+--------------------------------------------------- Research Computing Center | WWI Modeling mailing list: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Internet: aew@unh.edu | WWI Modeling WWW Page: http://pease1.sr.unh.edu =============================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 09:30:32 -0500 From: "Robert M. Farrar" To: Subject: Re: Latest Over the Front Message-ID: <003201bea204$838bd1e0$ee3688cf@rmf> Mike, Squadron Shop carries OtF just in case you can't get it otherwise. Bob -----Original Message----- From: Mike To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Wednesday, May 19, 1999 7:51 AM Subject: Re: Latest Over the Front >If a person was to join OtF today, would it be possible to receive this >issue? Really need that article on the >1/28th Lozenge. Have two Revell DVII's in the Queue waiting to be built >(chopped and channelled, fixing the >tubby fuselage lines....) > >Mike Dicianna >"Der Rote Modellflugzeugbauer" > >> Received Vol 14 No 1 of OtF yesterday. Good issue! The wonderful part >> is that they have started translating the Nachrichtenblatt and include >> part of the translation in this issue. They say they will keep adding to >> it. >> >> Plus Jim Wallace has an article on how he made 1/28th lozenge for his >> Revell Fokker D.VII. If Jim is still on this list, great job! >> >> However, one thing is apparent. OtF is lacking French stuff! :-) >> >> > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 10:00:41 -0500 (CDT) From: fedders To: models Message-ID: A few days ago Brad mentioned that he bought a 1/48 Bristol M1C at a hobby shop. The kit was manufactured by a company called spin. As might be expected, Hannants also carries the kit. It is injection and the previous Spin effort was a 1/48 resin Ansaldo SVA5 that I am just finishing. The Ansaldo is a very good kit with reasonable cockpit detail and I am very happy with it. I have found two problems with the Ansaldo kit. 1) the decals are not quite opaque! It is best if they go over a light surface (like unbleached linen) or one makes a white (decal) of the correct size to go under the kit decals. 2) the interplane struts are a bit of a problem. I eventually bent a piece of 1/64X1/32 brass into a V shape (of the correct lengths) and glued it to the top wing. Then the bend of the V can go into the bottom wing where I had drilled shallow broad holes for it. (As you may have guessed- the aircraft has V-shaped interplane struts.) peter ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 10:49:45 -0500 From: "Dr. Phillip Anz-Meador" To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: French AF (WAS: RE: Latest Over the Front) Message-ID: <01BEA1E5.4F3971A0.panz-meador@vsti.com> mike: i think one reason for the paucity of french material was the disaster of 1940, and destruction of the official archives at that time and in subsequent years. in another sense, there is probably an ethnocentrism at work here. we are english speakers, so is empire. we'd naturally be focused on "our boys" and their activities. german is linguistically derived from the same root language as english (probably a minor effect interest-wise) but the germans also progressed from rudimentary a/c to quite advanced a/c and construction techniques in a very short span, viz, the projected junkers R planes of "luftstreitkrafte 1919": all-metal monoplane day bombers using the junkers thick-wing approach, or alternately the fokker V.38s and such (think of low- and mid-wing monoplane D.VIIs...). in a similar vein, i've certainly gotten the impression (rightly or wrongly) that after the mutinies of 1917 the french sector of the front assumed a certain quiessence and the primary theater of ops became the brit-german area of the front. there exist similar effects regarding other powere which, rightly or wrongly, "we" consider to have been engaged in backwaters, e.g. the russian, italian, and A-H air forces. FMPs fine treatment of these air arms (together with their french AF book) appears to me to have really spurred interest in these areas, so there's hope for the future. whew, phillip -----Original Message----- From: bucky@ptdprolog.net [SMTP:bucky@ptdprolog.net] Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 1999 6:59 AM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Latest Over the Front Matthew E Bittner wrote: > However, one thing is apparent. OtF is lacking French stuff! :-) > Matt raises a point that has bothered me for awhile... not about OtF, but the genreal lack of books, articles on French pilots. Is it just a matter of there being a lot of books out there tha haven't been translated or that there aren't a lot of memoirs written by the French for some reason? Any thoughts? Mike Muth ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 12:00:12 EDT From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Speaking of SVA's, etc. Message-ID: <21d03862.24743a0c@aol.com> I just noted that my local hobby shop has a new order of the SMER reissues of all their old WW1 kits. The good thing is, they have new decals! At the price ($5-$7) they are worth picking up if only for the decals. For instance, they have re-released the Ansaldo SVA5 with the Republic of Venice flag, which is hard to find otherwise. Also, they have now got the "dogfighters," which is an Eduard Sopwith Triplane early version (minus photoetch) with the awful old Aurora D.III, for $14.95. The Tripehound is an excellent kit, and the decals of the Albatros are for the D.III with the blue/white diamond rudder - they should be entirely useable on the Eduard kit so if you don't buy the Profipack kit that has them, you can still do that airplane. At this price, stricly for the Tripehound it is a good deal. I think if they've shown up at this hobby shop they are available anywhere. Tom Cleaver ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 12:10:56 -0400 From: "cameron rile" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: French AF (WAS: =??B?oFJFOg==?= Latest Over the Front) Message-ID: <199905190913193@cameron.prontomail.com> >in another sense, there is probably an ethnocentrism at work here. I agree but for differant reasons, the western world essentially owns the world media, and by western world I mean the US predominantly. So the ethnocentricity is US/UK readerships tend to prefer to read of their own heroic tales and history. As to the gathering amount on the German Forces I think has to do with the Wests unusual fascination for the Prussian ideals. Once again heroic tales and histories of that type sell. Media that sells gets printed and either the Gall's arent cool or they just dont sell in our modern culture ( or more specifically in the worlds wealthiest and largest consumer market, the US ). It is probably a bit of both. That is just MHO BTW :) cam AFC page at : http://members.xoom.com/PointCook/index.htm ______________________________________________________________ Get Your Free E-mail and Homepage at http://www.prontomail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 10:43:17 -0600 From: "D. Anderson" <2814823733@home.com> To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: New Web goodies Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19990519104317.007c1910@mail> At 10:12 AM 19/05/99 -0400, you wrote: > >Hi Modelers, > >Some great photos courtesy of Robert Karr. Beardmore 120hp and Pfalz D-XII >cockpit details. > >http://pease1.sr.unh.edu/Images/Karr/index.html > >Enjoy! >-Allan Interesting photes. But what about the colour of the Pfalz's interior? Is this correct? Would Pfalz have painted grey over the wood? Or is it just a restoration idiosyncracy (like painting a von Hippel's Dragon D.V in Silver instead of grey)? Dane ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 10:29:12 -0700 From: "Bob Pearson" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Daves WAS Re: Rotary engine Message-ID: <199905191746.KAA12982@mail.rapidnet.net> >Ha! Just out of curiosity, I checked the server the other night, and >discovered to my horror that there are thirteen of us subscribed. In >alphabetical order, they are: >1. Vosburgh (it's my list...) >2. Blankenship >3. Burke >4. Fletcher >5. Kelly >6. Kinnear >7. Laws >8. Layton >9. Sterner >10. Townsend >11. Wadman >12. Watts >13. Zulis > These are the Daves I know , I know, These are the Daves I know. ... sorry, but 'KIds in the Hall' fans know I know. . Bob (gee there must be a couple of us too) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 12:51:03 -0500 From: "Robert M. Farrar" To: Subject: Re: Daves WAS Re: Rotary engine Message-ID: <000601bea220$31e1fe20$0b2688cf@rmf> Well, I'm a Bob too! -----Original Message----- From: Bob Pearson To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Wednesday, May 19, 1999 12:41 PM Subject: Re: Daves WAS Re: Rotary engine > >>Ha! Just out of curiosity, I checked the server the other night, and >>discovered to my horror that there are thirteen of us subscribed. In >>alphabetical order, they are: >>1. Vosburgh (it's my list...) >>2. Blankenship >>3. Burke >>4. Fletcher >>5. Kelly >>6. Kinnear >>7. Laws >>8. Layton >>9. Sterner >>10. Townsend >>11. Wadman >>12. Watts >>13. Zulis >> > >These are the Daves I know , I know, These are the Daves I know. ... sorry, >but 'KIds in the Hall' fans know I know. . > >Bob (gee there must be a couple of us too) > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 13:50:42 EDT From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re:lack of French stuff[bad text] Message-ID: <5bc6801f.247453f2@aol.com> In a message dated 5/19/99 9:15:41 AM Pacific Daylight Time, cameron@prontomail.com writes: << >in another sense, there is probably an ethnocentrism at work here. I agree but for differant reasons, the western world essentially owns the world media, and by western world I mean the US predominantly. So the ethnocentricity is US/UK readerships tend to prefer to read of their own heroic tales and history. >> The French coverage (or lack) seems to have changed since I first delved into the wonderful world of WW I aviation lore. In the mid 60's ( doning my geezer bonnet now), all the French stuff got great coverage at the expense of especially the British. Guynemer, Nungesser, Fonck, SPADS, Nieuports- all were extolled over anything else. Coverage of American activity was pretty much confined to Rickenbacker, and to a lesser extent Luke but with heavy emphasis on the Lafayette Esc. By the 8th grade I was so sick of Lufberry et al, that I never wanted to see or hear about them again. I was almost blinded forever to the beauty of the Nieuport 11. Finding out about Collishaw and the Sopwith Triplane was a revelation. Egad! You mean somebody shot down Germans besides Guynemer and Lufberry? Things have changed! Robert K. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 13:50:40 EDT From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: New Web goodies Message-ID: <5e0d443e.247453f0@aol.com> In a message dated 5/19/99 9:51:18 AM Pacific Daylight Time, 2814823733@home.com writes: << Interesting photes. But what about the colour of the Pfalz's interior? Is this correct? Would Pfalz have painted grey over the wood? Or is it just a restoration idiosyncracy (like painting a von Hippel's Dragon D.V in Silver instead of grey)? Dane >> That's the eternal question. There seems to be some kind of agreement these days that at least in the case of the D XII, the interior was not left in its natural wood and paper seam-tape state. This particular Pfalz may just be the victim of restoration idiosyncracy, but it makes a certain amount of sense if the cockpit was painted with the same basic fuselage gray. Although, writing in WW I Aero No158, Peter Grosz has this to say " The Canberra sample was painted with a thin layer of gray paint on the inside. Whether this was done at the Pfalz factory, or in Canberra for preservation purposes cannot be determined". Since it's known that the assembled fuselage exterior was covered overall with a fabric skin and then painted (or doped) gray, and this coating was probabaly sprayed, I tend to think that rather than go to the trouble of masking the interior parts, the whole thing was shot. I go with gray. The color shades on the photos are a bit off- the Champlin Museum doesn't have the most balanced lighting for photography, but the cockpit looked to be the same shade as the exterior gray. Whatever that may have been exactly in 1918! Robert K. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 14:03:05 EDT From: Zulis@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Latest Over the Front Message-ID: <59def58a.247456d9@aol.com> In a message dated 99-05-19 08:50:45 EDT, you write: << If a person was to join OtF today, would it be possible to receive this issue? Really need that article on the 1/28th Lozenge. Have two Revell DVII's in the Queue waiting to be built (chopped and channelled, fixing the tubby fuselage lines....) Mike Dicianna "Der Rote Modellflugzeugbauer" >> Hi Mike, When I finally got around to subscribing, it was in November and I received all of the issues for that year. Subscriptions run on the calendar year, so if you subscribed now, they would send you the issue we received yesterday. I hope you have the addresses, etc, as I am at work and don't have them here. (perhaps someone might help in this regard). Regarding the new issue, which I read last night, I enjoyed it, am very pleased about the translations of the Nachrichtenblatt der Luftsteitkrafte, and also a great listing of German Seaplane Numbers 1911 - 1918, compiled by Peter Grosz. An odd thing - one issue of OtF, read in careful detail, usually provides 2-3 evenings of reading pleasure. I got through this one in one evening - not usually a good sign - yet I quite enjoyed it. Regards, Dave #13 (anticipating a listing and indepth study of Daves and their serial numbers...) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 14:19:04 EDT From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Daves WAS Re: Rotary engine Message-ID: In a message dated 5/19/99 10:52:29 AM Pacific Daylight Time, rmf3@airmail.net writes: << Well, I'm a Bob too! >> I've only been a "Bob" to one girl, who lived next door in the 6th grade. She could get away with calling me anything. For the on-topic content: The footnotes in my brain are fading, but I have read that the rotary engine was originally developed for buses- a light, easily cooled engine was required, and the earliest version were running by the turn of the century. Robert K. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 15:20:45 EDT From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: IM Message-ID: <277d8eb6.2474690d@aol.com> In a message dated 5/18/99 11:13:16 PM Pacific Daylight Time, Albatrosdv@aol.com writes: << << I thought I'd put in a word about Internet Modeler. I'm STILL working my way through it all. Wow- you guys is GOOD! Robert K. >> "Us guys" RK - and girls. But you're in there too. Tom Cleaver >> Yeah- but I've seen my work, until I'm sick of it! I love looking at other folks output- the current IM, and the models on the WW I page are inspiring. (and...oh yeah.....don't wanna slight the girls! Which reminds me- if Sharon's doing the Hasegawa Clerget- I can't wait to see it!) Robert K. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 15:20:42 EDT From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Speaking of SVA's, etc. Message-ID: In a message dated 5/19/99 9:10:48 AM Pacific Daylight Time, Albatrosdv@aol.com writes: << Also, they have now got the "dogfighters," which is an Eduard Sopwith Triplane early version (minus photoetch) with the awful old Aurora D.III, for $14.95. The Tripehound is an excellent kit, and the decals of the Albatros are for the D.III with the blue/white diamond rudder - they should be entirely useable on the Eduard kit so if you don't buy the Profipack kit that has them, you can still do that airplane. At this price, stricly for the Tripehound it is a good deal. I think if they've shown up at this hobby shop they are available anywhere. Tom Cleaver >> Good news- plus that old "Albatros" has some parts useful for other things! Robert K. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 15:20:46 EDT From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Back to the Future Message-ID: <57d2524a.2474690e@aol.com> In a message dated 5/18/99 3:53:31 PM Pacific Daylight Time, JohnGlaser@worldnet.att.net writes: << We also wrapped underwear around empty beer cans for the perfect rolled look but that's a story for another day........... - John >> A day in the Future? RK sorry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 15:39:17 -0400 From: "cameron rile" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re:lack of French stuff[bad text] Message-ID: <199905191241493@cameron.prontomail.com> >The French coverage (or lack) seems to have changed since I >first delved into the wonderful world of WW I aviation lore. >In the mid 60's .... Interesting. The first WWI thing I read ( by myself anyway ) was a short story on Frank Luke, that would have been about 1978/79. I didnt know what balloon busting was but it sounded exciting. IIRC the same back had a story about a guy who was a quarter back. Didnt know what that was either. >Things have changed! cam ______________________________________________________________ Get Your Free E-mail and Homepage at http://www.prontomail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 12:32:32 -0700 From: David & Carol Fletcher To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Daves WAS Re: Rotary engine Message-ID: <37431122.7537@mars.ark.com> KarrArt@aol.com wrote: "I have read that the rotary engine was originally developed for buses- a light, easily cooled engine was required, and the earliest version were running by the turn of the century." Rotaries were first used on a bicycle in 1888 (Millet patented the concept that year and built the prototype) - this "proto-motorcycle" had a five-cylinder rotary built into the rear wheel instead of a sprocket! It was manufactured in series by the Darracq company from 1900. A rotary for automobile use was made by Adams-Farwell in 1901 in the U.S.A. and saw limited use. The rotary engine was applied successfully to aircraft in 1908, becoming popular after the Reims Meet of 1909. Langley had Balzer rotaries converted to radial operation for his 'aerodrome', but it didn't fly; de Dion Bouton built a four-cylinder rotary for aircraft use in 1899, but no aeroplanes flew with it, either. By the way, the Siemens & Halske rotaries differed from everybody elses in that the engine and the crankshaft both rotated in opposite directions providing some compensation for the excessive torque effects of a normal rotary. Dashed clever, these Teutons. And on the subject of Daves: Zulis@aol.com wrote: "(anticipating a listing and indepth study of Daves and their serial numbers...)" What numbers do you want: I had an RCAF service number (6 digits), then SIN/service number (9 digits) and finally a Canadian Forces service number (9 digits - not related to the SIN) - and I have a wonderful collection of dogtags to match! On a good day, I can recite all 24 digits in the right sequence! By the way, my RCAF service number is the BuAer number of an (OT) EA-6B, of which I have photo's and maybe I'll build a model of "my" aeroplane (airplane y'all) someday. Can anybody else claim to have their number on an aeroplane? Au revoir & auf Wiedersehen (in deferrence to the rotaries discussed) Dave Fletcher ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 15:45:27 -0500 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: Rotary engine and COOL SPAD Message-ID: <008301bea23a$1c5e5660$47f510d1@dora9sprynet.com> >No, Butt-Head! Don't make me smack you! Dave ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 17:13:02 EDT From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: lack of French stuff[bad text] Message-ID: In a message dated 99-05-19 15:45:46 EDT, you write: << Interesting. The first WWI thing I read ( by myself anyway ) was a short story on Frank Luke, that would have been about 1978/79. >> At one time in the 1980s, a screenplay I wrote, "The Arizona Cowboy" which was about Luke, actually got optioned, a relatively-significant amount of money changed hands and meetings were held, before they came to their senses and realized "World War I flying movies will never sell." Tom Cleaver ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 16:06:58 -0500 From: Tom Solinski To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Rotary engine Message-ID: <374327F2.50173862@ionet.net> Actually the camel belonged to Frank Tallman or Paul Mantz, I get them mixed up. In his biography there is a long chapter on the pains of restoring the bird to its authentic configuration right down to wearing out everyone at the airport who knew how to prop an engine before they finally got the clerget to pop. BRRRP BRRRP BRRPPPPP Watch the movie it goes around! Tom S > > I may be wrong, but I'd be willing to bet a nickle that it was just > Hollywood sound effects. Very cool sound effects, but sound effects all > the same. > E. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 22:22:06 +0100 From: "Sandy Adam" To: Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_French_AF_=28WAS:_=A0RE:_Latest_Over_the_Front=29?= Message-ID: <015001bea23d$a6c0a3a0$18e8b094@sandyada> >the ethnocentricity is US/UK readerships tend to prefer to read of >their own heroic tales and history. That's your ethnocentricity! Go to France. You will see mostly French cars on the street, you will eat mostly French food and drink French wine (Admittedly it is changing a bit now with the god-awful Coca-Cola and McDonalds culture (wrong word, I know)). Everywhere you will see statues and museums and street names and memorials dedicated to thousands of French military heroes from Charlemagne to Napoleon and beyond. You'll see French films and read French books about French subjects. I've got stacks of old French books on La Grande Guerre. Why should the French care if we can read their books or not? They can! Sandy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 17:26:17 EDT From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: _French_AF_(WAS:_ RE:_Latest_Over_the_Front) Message-ID: <68429b92.24748679@aol.com> In a message dated 99-05-19 17:22:28 EDT, you write: << Why should the French care if we can read their books or not? They can! Sandy >> Fortunately they put enough pictures in their modeling magazines that even though I don't read their language, I can tell there is a lot of interesting work going on over there. Thank you, Squadron, for bringing in Wings and Replic on a regular basis. And, from personal experience, at least the French Modelers I have met do not act "French," as the rest of us think of that nationality. Tom Cleaver ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 17:53:29 -0400 From: smperry@mindspring.com To: Subject: Re: Future works! Message-ID: <002a01bea242$085238a0$342d45cf@smp> Charles writes: > Wife and kids pleaded the 5th when I asked who might have seen > it last..... Mine do that too, so I just round up the usual suspects, (the hound & the rat-dog), then bark and threaten all to no effect. It's a ritual, you gotta do it if you want the scratchbuilt part to fit right and look good. No other way 'round it. sp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 22:53:19 +0100 From: Pedro e Francisca Soares To: WW1 modeling list Subject: ATT. Charles Hart Message-ID: <374332CF.663B5158@mail.telepac.pt> Charles, Did you receive my messages? I'm having trouble with my e-mail, so please let me know. Pedro P.S. Sorry folks ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 18:05:30 EDT From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Rotary engine Message-ID: <5e0ee587.24748faa@aol.com> In a message dated 5/19/99 2:16:08 PM Pacific Daylight Time, janski@ionet.net writes: << Actually the camel belonged to Frank Tallman or Paul Mantz, I get them mixed up. In his biography there is a long chapter on the pains of restoring the bird to its authentic configuration right down to wearing out everyone at the airport who knew how to prop an engine before they finally got the clerget to pop. BRRRP BRRRP BRRPPPPP Watch the movie it goes around! Tom S >> The Waldo Pepper Camel was a repro-replica- whatever it's called. Tallman's real Camel was sold off by the time Waldo Pepper was made. I'm not sure which exact airplanes were used in the movie, but some in-flight scenes have a stationary engined Camel. Robert K.( who cried when the Tallman collection was dispersed, and no longer a few minutes away) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 18:05:31 EDT From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Daves WAS Re: Rotary engine Message-ID: In a message dated 5/19/99 1:44:58 PM Pacific Daylight Time, dcf@mars.ark.com writes: << KarrArt@aol.com wrote: "I have read that the rotary engine was originally developed for buses- a light, easily cooled engine was required, and the earliest version were running by the turn of the century." Rotaries were first used on a bicycle in 1888 (Millet patented the concept that year and built the prototype) - this "proto-motorcycle" had a five-cylinder rotary built into the rear wheel instead of a sprocket! It was manufactured in series by the Darracq company from 1900. >> That must've been a heck of thrill to ride. Imagine the butt-vibrations if the thing was just a tiny tiny bit out of balance! Robert K. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 18:05:29 EDT From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re:=20=5FFrench=5FAF=5F(WAS:=5F=A0RE:=5FLatest=5F?= Message-ID: <4089288c.24748fa9@aol.com> In a message dated 5/19/99 2:22:28 PM Pacific Daylight Time, cbbs@almac.co.uk writes: << Coca-Cola and McDonalds culture (wrong word, I know)). >> Entirely the right word! Robert K. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 08:17:10 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: New Web goodies Message-ID: Dane, > > Interesting photes. But what about the colour of the Pfalz's > interior? Is > this correct? Would Pfalz have painted grey over the wood? Or > is it just a > restoration idiosyncracy (like painting a von Hippel's Dragon > D.V in Silver > instead of grey)? > It's correct. The interior colour is grey. Not Silbergrau either, just grey. I base this on D.2600 in Canberra of which I took over 100 photos in 1997. The curator was kind enough to give me a research assistant who removed the anti-buffet screen to allow photographs behind the seat and inspection of the *original* finish which was quite deliberately not overpainted in the most recent restoration. We (curator of aircraft and I) discussed the issue of original vs restored appearance at some length. He was at pains to point out that the Pfalz in their collection was restored to as precisely the same finish as it had in 1918 as they could manage. I can vouch that the cockpit interior colour is the same (save for the effects of dust and crazing) as the unrestored surface. OTOH the Albatros D.Va was restored in the same colours, but not marked the way it was when in German service. It was scheduled for conservation this year, and I believe that it will be returned to "as captured" finish. Incidentally, AWM now has a policy of "no false histories". This means that we'll never see a genuine aircraft restored and marked as some famous aces machine, and (for example) that the SE-5a, currently in PC-10/CDL and 2AFC markings will be restored to aluminium dope befitting its service life in the RAAF as part of the Imperial Gift. Shane ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 17:26:02 -0500 From: "Robert Johnson" To: Subject: Re: Daves WAS Re: Rotary engine Message-ID: <006201bea246$941b9a80$05f99ed0@robjohn.swdata.com> Pardon this message, but I was curious. What is Luft '46? I gathered it is a mailing list or the like. I collect comic books besides modeling. I that genre there is a book by Ted Nomura and Ben Dunn called Luftwaffe 1946. It is a what if story that asks the question what would have happened if Germany had developed the jet engine sooner. I have often thought about building some of these planes as, the comics are full of profile like pages. rob johnson -----Original Message----- From: DAVID BURKE To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Wednesday, May 19, 1999 1:39 AM Subject: Re: Daves WAS Re: Rotary engine >Sharon, > > djohnson is one of our Luft '46 board guys, and I sent a post to get the >info so you can join up if you want to. I'll get it to you off-board. > > > >>I guess the attraction to this period is no one is >>going to tell you the paint scheme is wrong. >> >>Tom S > > >Apparently the same can be said for a lot of WWI modeling too! > > ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 1586 **********************