WWI Digest 1585 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Rotary engine and COOL SPAD by Matthew E Bittner 2) Re: Future help needed in the present by Matthew E Bittner 3) Daves WAS Re: Rotary engine by "David Vosburgh" 4) Re: Lee's No parachute on WWI Modeling List was:Re: Lee's "No Parachute" on ebay by Ernest Thomas 5) Re: Rotary engine by Tom Solinski 6) Re: Daves WAS Re: Rotary engine by lfendy@firstsaga.com (Leonard Endy) 7) Re: Spray Booths was Explosions: was:Back to the Future by Tom Solinski 8) Re: Daves WAS Re: Rotary engine by Sharon Henderson 9) Future works! by "Charles and Linda Duckworth" 10) Re: Daves WAS Re: Rotary engine by Tom Solinski 11) Re: Interesting item on eBay web site item#102995204: Addar Super Scenes #225 W.W. I Dogfight by bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) 12) Re: Rotary engine and COOL SPAD by KarrArt@aol.com 13) Re: Future help needed in the present by KarrArt@aol.com 14) photo documentaion, was was was was... by Ernest Thomas 15) Re: Rotary engine and COOL SPAD by Bill Bacon 16) Re: Spray Booths was Explosions: was:Back to the Future by Ernest Thomas 17) Re: Rotary engine by Ernest Thomas 18) RE: Future help needed in the present by Shane Weier 19) Re: Rotary engine by Ernest Thomas 20) RE: photo documentaion, was was was was... by Shane Weier 21) Re: Interesting item on eBay web site item#102995204: Addar Super Scenes #225 W.W. I Dogfight by Ernest Thomas 22) Re: photo documentaion, was was was was... by Ernest Thomas 23) IM by KarrArt@aol.com 24) RE: photo documentaion, was was was was... by Shane Weier 25) Re: IM by Albatrosdv@aol.com 26) Re: photo documentaion, was was was was... by Ernest Thomas 27) Re: Rotary engine and COOL SPAD by "DAVID BURKE" 28) Re: Daves WAS Re: Rotary engine by "DAVID BURKE" 29) Re: Rotary engine and COOL SPAD by "Robert M. Farrar" 30) Re: Rotary engine and COOL SPAD by Matthew E Bittner 31) Re: Rotary engine and COOL SPAD by Matthew E Bittner 32) Re: Rotary engine and COOL SPAD by John & Allison Cyganowski 33) Latest Over the Front by Matthew E Bittner 34) Re: Rotary engine and COOL SPAD by Matthew E Bittner 35) Re: Latest Over the Front by bucky@ptdprolog.net ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 20:29:39 -0500 From: Matthew E Bittner To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Rotary engine and COOL SPAD Message-ID: <19990518.203051.-985253.0.mbittner@juno.com> On Tue, 18 May 1999 19:19:34 -0400 (EDT) "Robert M. Farrar" writes: > The curator seemed to think we were all a bunch of doufus's so I > split from > the > group each day. I will never forget the SPAD A12 (?). It was a > conventional > two > seater, but it was a SPAD! That would probably be Rickenbacker's SPAD 16, which is now on loan to the USAF Museum. Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 20:34:34 -0500 From: Matthew E Bittner To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Future help needed in the present Message-ID: <19990518.203439.-985253.1.mbittner@juno.com> On Tue, 18 May 1999 21:21:38 -0400 (EDT) smperry@mindspring.com writes: > Has anyone tried using india ink to accentuate a panel line or other > = > engraved details over a Future surface? I've seen this done very = > effectively over a gloss lacquer surface. I'm slap out of gloss > lacquer = > but I'm the proud owner of a jug of Future. I suppose that well > dried = > Future is fairly waterproof, but I'd sure like to hear from someone > who = > knows for sure.=20 I've never used india ink, but I have used oils right over Future with no effect. Plus, I have some markers - Micron Pigma - that I used in control surfaces. I have let it dry overnight then come and swipe over the area to remove and stray marks. Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 21:32:56 -0400 From: "David Vosburgh" To: Subject: Daves WAS Re: Rotary engine Message-ID: <009601bea197$99f73040$6cd690d0@Pvosburg> -----Original Message----- From: DAVID BURKE Date: Tuesday, May 18, 1999 6:45 PM Subject: Re: Rotary engine Dave Burke wrote: <>and that the planes had some kind of warm-up problem. A WW2 >A/C whose engine sounded like that would require a crash crew! Neat! > >Apparently the Most Recent Dave>> Ha! Just out of curiosity, I checked the server the other night, and discovered to my horror that there are thirteen of us subscribed. In alphabetical order, they are: 1. Vosburgh (it's my list...) 2. Blankenship 3. Burke 4. Fletcher 5. Kelly 6. Kinnear 7. Laws 8. Layton 9. Sterner 10. Townsend 11. Wadman 12. Watts 13. Zulis ... sorry for any misspellings. Anyway, it might be worth it to keep in mind that we probably ought to use our last initial or some other marker when signing posts. I'm starting to get confused myself. FWIW, DV ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 20:45:40 -0500 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Lee's No parachute on WWI Modeling List was:Re: Lee's "No Parachute" on ebay Message-ID: <374217C4.A16@bellsouth.net> smperry@mindspring.com wrote: > I picked up my paperback copy for US $2.50 at a used book store. EtH is > first on the list if he wants to read it Well, I was hoping the wife would read it to me. Does it have a lot of pictures? I do better with books that have lots of pictures. E. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 21:17:04 -0500 From: Tom Solinski To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Rotary engine Message-ID: <37421F20.6A1C389A@ionet.net> A more recent and better sounding example of blipping can be found at the end of The Great Waldo Pepper. They used an authentic Camel so the rotary is doing its thing. Unfortunately the Dr has a Warner radial. so no blips. Tom S. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 02:33:04 GMT From: lfendy@firstsaga.com (Leonard Endy) To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Daves WAS Re: Rotary engine Message-ID: <37432273.8866950@legend.firstsaga.com> On Tue, 18 May 1999 21:30:29 -0400 (EDT), you wrote: >Ha! Just out of curiosity, I checked the server the other night, and >discovered to my horror that there are thirteen of us subscribed. In >alphabetical order, they are: >1. Vosburgh (it's my list...) >2. Blankenship >3. Burke >4. Fletcher >5. Kelly >6. Kinnear >7. Laws >8. Layton >9. Sterner >10. Townsend >11. Wadman >12. Watts >13. Zulis > According to Cheech and Chong: "Dave's not here man..." Sorry, couldn't resist... Len ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 21:29:13 -0500 From: Tom Solinski To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Spray Booths was Explosions: was:Back to the Future Message-ID: <374221F9.8638EC4C@ionet.net> Mike and list I've made a very usable spray booth out of a inexpensive armoire (free standing closet, for the rest of us southern boys, well 'cept for the ones in Louisiana) This one was sold by the Service Merchandise folks and measured 7'x4"x2' . A slot in the top holds a two lamp fluorescent fixture and a two fan window unit with brush less motors, installed in the back exhausts all the fumes straight out the window. I use testors model master exclusively and have had no trouble with explosive mixtures. I'll be able to send pics in the near future if any one is interested. Tom S ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 21:56:51 -0400 (EDT) From: Sharon Henderson To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Daves WAS Re: Rotary engine Message-ID: Sorry to be off-topic.... Is the list of which you speak, by any chance, the Luftwaffe 1946 list that was referred to the other day? If so, I am extremely interested....] WW1 content: I now have a Hasegawa 1/8 model of a Clerget engine. I'm going to be starting it soon, and taking photos the whole way start to finish, because I promised Bob I would. :-) Question of all you wonderful folks: is there a preferred method of photo-documenting a modelling project? What's worth photographing, what not? Any hints, ideas or opinions are most welcome. Thanks, Sharon On Tue, 18 May 1999, Leonard Endy wrote: > On Tue, 18 May 1999 21:30:29 -0400 (EDT), you wrote: > > >Ha! Just out of curiosity, I checked the server the other night, and > >discovered to my horror that there are thirteen of us subscribed. In > >alphabetical order, they are: > >1. Vosburgh (it's my list...) > >2. Blankenship > >3. Burke > >4. Fletcher > >5. Kelly > >6. Kinnear > >7. Laws > >8. Layton > >9. Sterner > >10. Townsend > >11. Wadman > >12. Watts > >13. Zulis > > > According to Cheech and Chong: "Dave's not here man..." > Sorry, couldn't resist... > > Len > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 22:01:49 -0500 From: "Charles and Linda Duckworth" To: "ww1list" Subject: Future works! Message-ID: <013e01bea1a3$f272bee0$ac5cdfd1@q1p5x0> Picked up a bottle of Future (this should last me and three generations of modelers) last night and brushed it on to the Baby I'm building and decaled tonight. Decals (Eduard) laid down perfectly. Thanks to all of you for the comments and techniques on applying Future. Will also try airbrushing later but this project only required a coat where the decals would lay down. Started to glue to floats onto the fuselage and seem to have misplaced one of the @#*^% 'N' struts! 30 minutes of looking in three different boxes and on the floor in tow rooms - I'm down to scratchbuilding one - this is not a dull hobby! Wife and kids pleaded the 5th when I asked who might have seen it last..... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 21:56:40 -0500 From: Tom Solinski To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Daves WAS Re: Rotary engine Message-ID: <37422867.2B20143B@ionet.net> Sharon Try here: http://users.visi.net/~djohnson/luft46.html. There is some very nice work here including some CG files of NYC being nuked, and or defended by P-80s. I guess the attraction to this period is no one is going to tell you the paint scheme is wrong. Sort of a reality based S.F modeling. Tom S ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 20:53:45 -0700 (PDT) From: bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Interesting item on eBay web site item#102995204: Addar Super Scenes #225 W.W. I Dogfight Message-ID: <199905190353.UAA21759@compass.OregonVOS.net> >Check this out. Must be some pretty SMALL aeroplanes. > >Title of item: Addar Super Scenes #225 W.W. I Dogfight -snips- 1/152nd and 1/168th. According to Brad Hansen's book, candidates for the two very worst WWI kits ever produced. Cheers and all, -- Bill Shatzer - bshatzer@orednet.org "You don't need a weather man to know which way the wind blows." -Bob Dylan- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 00:08:54 EDT From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Rotary engine and COOL SPAD Message-ID: <3bcaa6f3.24739356@aol.com> In a message dated 5/18/99 6:26:37 PM Pacific Daylight Time, mbittner@juno.com writes: << That would probably be Rickenbacker's SPAD 16, which is now on loan to the USAF Museum. Matt Bittner >> Uh...Mitchell's? Robert K. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 00:08:53 EDT From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Future help needed in the present Message-ID: <61f95713.24739355@aol.com> In a message dated 5/18/99 6:31:40 PM Pacific Daylight Time, mbittner@juno.com writes: << > Future is fairly waterproof, but I'd sure like to hear from someone > who = > knows for sure.=20 >> A bottle of this stuff leaked on our kitchen counter years ago, and practically had to be busted off with a chisel! I don't know if it's truly water proof, but if not, it sure has a high water resistance. Robert K. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 23:10:03 -0500 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: photo documentaion, was was was was... Message-ID: <3742399B.CDD@bellsouth.net> Sharon Henderson wrote: Question of all you > wonderful folks: is there a preferred method of photo-documenting a > modelling project? What's worth photographing, what not? Any hints, > ideas or opinions are most welcome. Without being familiar with the kit in question, I would suggest starting with a shot of all the parts on their sprues. Then the sub assemblies as you build them. Finally, shots of all sides with a few extra shots of any particularly nice details. Aside from this, I would go ahead and shoot anything you might be especially proud of. And you can't just give us a bunch of pictures without captions explaining what we're looking at and how you did it. As for the photography, the best method I've found is sticking the camera on a tripod and doing a timed exposure in the shade.(like under the carport, which works in both hemispheres, right Shane?) And use the self timer so you don't move the camera when you hit the shutter. Hth... EtH. I'm the root of all that's evil, but you can call me Cookie. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 23:15:34 -0500 From: Bill Bacon To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Rotary engine and COOL SPAD Message-ID: <37423AE6.67177A82@Netjava.net> Matt, Is that not the SPAD 16 used by Billy Mitchell? I thought that Rickenbacker flew the Nieuport 28 and the Spad XIII. Cheers, Bill B. Matthew E Bittner wrote: > On Tue, 18 May 1999 19:19:34 -0400 (EDT) "Robert M. Farrar" > writes: > > > The curator seemed to think we were all a bunch of doufus's so I > > split from > > the > > group each day. I will never forget the SPAD A12 (?). It was a > > conventional > > two > > seater, but it was a SPAD! > > That would probably be Rickenbacker's SPAD 16, which is now on loan to > the USAF Museum. > > Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 23:15:35 -0500 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Spray Booths was Explosions: was:Back to the Future Message-ID: <37423AE7.55DC@bellsouth.net> Tom Solinski wrote: > I've made a very usable spray booth out of a inexpensive armoire (free > standing closet, for the rest of us southern boys, well 'cept for the > ones in Louisiana) Right. We still call them armoire's. It's the french influence. E. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 23:21:17 -0500 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Rotary engine Message-ID: <37423C3D.7793@bellsouth.net> mkendix wrote: My colleague at work did not believe the whole engine turned > round, so I need to convince him. Can't you just bring in one of your models and let him turn the prop/engine for himself? :) E. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 14:32:24 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Future help needed in the present Message-ID: RK and Matt exchange: > In a message dated 5/18/99 6:31:40 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > mbittner@juno.com writes: > > << > Future is fairly waterproof, but I'd sure like to hear > from someone who knows for sure. >> > > A bottle of this stuff leaked on our kitchen counter years ago, and > practically had to be busted off with a chisel! I don't know > if it's truly water proof, but if not, it sure has a high water resistance. > Robert K. Mmmm, it's designed to be walked on, including by people with wet feet, and to be mopped over with soapy water and so forth. Frankly, its bombproof, waterproof and (mostly) idiot proof but - household ammonia will wipe it away fairly quickly, and isopropyl alcohol will dull the surface if you scrub hard enough. OTOH I've soaked away decals by leaving a model in a bucket of water overnight then scrubbing with a toothbrush - and still had perfect paint the next day (decals had NOT been overcoated or I expect I'd still be scrubbing) Shane ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 23:31:37 -0500 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Rotary engine Message-ID: <37423EA9.1E68@bellsouth.net> Tom Solinski wrote: > > A more recent and better sounding example of blipping can be found at > the end of The Great Waldo Pepper. They used an authentic Camel so the > rotary is doing its thing. I may be wrong, but I'd be willing to bet a nickle that it was just Hollywood sound effects. Very cool sound effects, but sound effects all the same. E. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 14:34:57 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: photo documentaion, was was was was... Message-ID: ET > As for the photography, the best method I've found is sticking the > camera on a tripod and doing a timed exposure in the shade.(like under > the carport, which works in both hemispheres, right Shane?) > And use the self timer so you don't move the camera when you hit the > shutter. ...except I have to stand on my head to do it. Actually all good advice. I use a cable release rather than a timer though. And fiddle with reflectors (bits 'o white cardboard) to get some extra light in the shadows. Shane ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 23:34:34 -0500 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Interesting item on eBay web site item#102995204: Addar Super Scenes #225 W.W. I Dogfight Message-ID: <37423F5A.1C9@bellsouth.net> modelhound@aol.com wrote: > > Check this out. Must be some pretty SMALL aeroplanes. > > Title of item: Addar Super Scenes #225 W.W. I Dogfight I remember these kits from when I was a kid. Never bought one myself, but I did look in a box once. Iirc, the bottle was about 5x7 inches. E. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 23:50:07 -0500 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: photo documentaion, was was was was... Message-ID: <374242FF.580A@bellsouth.net> Shane Weier wrote: > And fiddle with reflectors (bits 'o white cardboard) to get some extra light > in the shadows. Right. I forgot that part. Thanks. E. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 01:46:41 EDT From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: IM Message-ID: I thought I'd put in a word about Internet Modeler. I'm STILL working my way through it all. Wow- you guys is GOOD! Robert K. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 16:02:42 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: photo documentaion, was was was was... Message-ID: > EtH wrote: > Shane Weier wrote: > > > And fiddle with reflectors (bits 'o white cardboard) to get > some extra light in the shadows. > > Right. I forgot that part. Thanks. Yeah, but I'm used to doing it since the sun shines UP on us and getting the shadows on the right side is hell ;-) Gettin back to serious - My settup is this, a folding card table under the eaves outside my garage. I use gaffer tape to secure (REALLY secure) a piece of card vertically to the garage door and horizontally to the table in a nice curve to give a background without a hard edge at the "horizon". Then I plonk the model on the card, the camera on a tripod and line up the shot. Finally, before shooting, I get a piece of white card and use it to bounce light into the darker shadows. The card should be in the shade too by the way since you want to lighten the shadows, not blast them into oblivion. I get okay results using a simple SLR and closeup lenses. If I got out my 4"x5" view camera and used sheet film in a studio with multiple lights, diffusers, reflectors, meters and so on it'd look about 10% better on the screen and no-one would care. Moral - keep it simple. Shane ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 02:09:09 EDT From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: IM Message-ID: In a message dated 99-05-19 01:52:21 EDT, you write: << I thought I'd put in a word about Internet Modeler. I'm STILL working my way through it all. Wow- you guys is GOOD! Robert K. >> "Us guys" RK - and girls. But you're in there too. Tom Cleaver ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 01:18:30 -0500 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: photo documentaion, was was was was... Message-ID: <374257B6.468E@bellsouth.net> Shane Weier wrote: > Yeah, but I'm used to doing it since the sun shines UP on us and getting the > shadows on the right side is hell ;-) So y'all go around looking like caracters in a horror flick, and getting sunburned in your nostrils, right? > Gettin back to serious - > > My settup is this, a folding card table under the eaves outside my garage. I > use gaffer tape to secure (REALLY secure) a piece of card vertically to the > garage door and horizontally to the table in a nice curve to give a > background without a hard edge at the "horizon". I use a piece of light blue cloth drapped over a chair. And the securing of the cloth is especially important so the wind doesn't come along and blow the model onto the cement. :( > Moral - keep it simple. > Let's leave morals out of this. They get in the way of a good time. E. If guns cause crime, then pencils cause mis-spelling. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 01:24:05 -0500 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: Rotary engine and COOL SPAD Message-ID: <006a01bea1c1$75e42a80$6bf310d1@dora9sprynet.com> Yeah, I went to the Garber Facility a few years back - WITH my camera, but was taking pictures of stuff that I'm apparently not allowed to mention on this site. Saw what I remember to be a Nieuport or something (I think it was French maybe), and they were trying like hell to fix up this peach-basket seat. Musta had anorexics flying the plane because the damned thing didn't look like it would hold a cat, much less than a man's weight! Liked the WWI display at NASM, and wangled a 'backstage pass' that was given to me by the folks at Garber so I could ride the employee shuttle back to NASM - even found it recently in a coat I hadn't worn since the trip! It allowed me nearly full access to NASM, and I'm not just talking display area, but all over the place! However, to absolve you of your guilt, I didn't bring a flash, so a lot of my photos are crappy, and several are of an ex-girlfriend who is now married, and all that junk is off-topic so I'd better just say that they sure do have some neat stuff at Silver Hill! Dave B. (Beavis?) > Must admit though, went to Silver Hill for a week back in the mid-late >'80's WITHOUT a camera. I am the #1 gimp of all time! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 01:33:00 -0500 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: Daves WAS Re: Rotary engine Message-ID: <006c01bea1c1$778641c0$6bf310d1@dora9sprynet.com> Sharon, djohnson is one of our Luft '46 board guys, and I sent a post to get the info so you can join up if you want to. I'll get it to you off-board. >I guess the attraction to this period is no one is >going to tell you the paint scheme is wrong. > >Tom S Apparently the same can be said for a lot of WWI modeling too! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 04:58:43 -0500 From: "Robert M. Farrar" To: Subject: Re: Rotary engine and COOL SPAD Message-ID: <005001bea1de$329cc8a0$0d2d88cf@rmf> No, Butt-Head! -----Original Message----- From: DAVID BURKE To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Wednesday, May 19, 1999 1:38 AM Subject: Re: Rotary engine and COOL SPAD >Yeah, I went to the Garber Facility a few years back - WITH my camera, but >was taking pictures of stuff that I'm apparently not allowed to mention on >this site. Saw what I remember to be a Nieuport or something (I think it >was French maybe), and they were trying like hell to fix up this >peach-basket seat. Musta had anorexics flying the plane because the damned >thing didn't look like it would hold a cat, much less than a man's weight! >Liked the WWI display at NASM, and wangled a 'backstage pass' that was given >to me by the folks at Garber so I could ride the employee shuttle back to >NASM - even found it recently in a coat I hadn't worn since the trip! It >allowed me nearly full access to NASM, and I'm not just talking display >area, but all over the place! However, to absolve you of your guilt, I >didn't bring a flash, so a lot of my photos are crappy, and several are of >an ex-girlfriend who is now married, and all that junk is off-topic so I'd >better just say that they sure do have some neat stuff at Silver Hill! > > > Dave B. > > >(Beavis?) >> Must admit though, went to Silver Hill for a week back in the mid-late >>'80's WITHOUT a camera. I am the #1 gimp of all time! > > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 05:02:01 -0500 From: Matthew E Bittner To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Rotary engine and COOL SPAD Message-ID: <19990519.051941.-805735.0.mbittner@juno.com> On Wed, 19 May 1999 00:10:04 -0400 (EDT) KarrArt@aol.com writes: > Uh...Mitchell's? DOH! So right. Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 05:06:39 -0500 From: Matthew E Bittner To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Rotary engine and COOL SPAD Message-ID: <19990519.051941.-805735.1.mbittner@juno.com> On Wed, 19 May 1999 02:36:43 -0400 (EDT) "DAVID BURKE" writes: > Yeah, I went to the Garber Facility a few years back - WITH my > camera, but > was taking pictures of stuff that I'm apparently not allowed to > mention on > this site. Saw what I remember to be a Nieuport or something (I > think it > was French maybe), and they were trying like hell to fix up this > peach-basket seat. That would have been the Nieuport 28, and I'm not even going to guess who flew it (sorry about the Rickenbacker/Mitchell gaff). You didn't by chance take any pictures of the SPAD 16's cockpit? I still need cockpit reference for the SPAD 11 - which the 16 was a direct descendant of. Matt Bittner http://www.geocities.com/~ipmsfortcrook ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 06:31:18 -0400 From: John & Allison Cyganowski To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Rotary engine and COOL SPAD Message-ID: <374292F6.5E7B@worldnet.att.net> Matthew E Bittner wrote: > > On Wed, 19 May 1999 02:36:43 -0400 (EDT) "DAVID BURKE" > writes: > > > Yeah, I went to the Garber Facility a few years back - WITH my > > camera, but > > was taking pictures of stuff that I'm apparently not allowed to > > mention on > > this site. Saw what I remember to be a Nieuport or something (I > > think it > > was French maybe), and they were trying like hell to fix up this > > peach-basket seat. > > That would have been the Nieuport 28, and I'm not even going to guess who > flew it (sorry about the Rickenbacker/Mitchell gaff). > > You didn't by chance take any pictures of the SPAD 16's cockpit? I still > need cockpit reference for the SPAD 11 - which the 16 was a direct > descendant of. > > Matt Bittner If it was a N.28 being restored at Garber, the pilot was Cole Palen. This ship was a composite, built from original parts (I think we have discussed this ship's origins before). Alberto Casarati had an article in Windsock, Vol. 15 No.1 where he shows how to do the Revell N.28 the right way (and its in your scale Matt!). At the end of the article (Pg 18/19) there are 5 large well shot b/w photos of the N.28 restoration work going on at Garber. It shows the "peach basket" seat. Regards, Cyg. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 06:37:12 -0500 From: Matthew E Bittner To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Latest Over the Front Message-ID: <19990519.063718.-1013489.2.mbittner@juno.com> Received Vol 14 No 1 of OtF yesterday. Good issue! The wonderful part is that they have started translating the Nachrichtenblatt and include part of the translation in this issue. They say they will keep adding to it. Plus Jim Wallace has an article on how he made 1/28th lozenge for his Revell Fokker D.VII. If Jim is still on this list, great job! However, one thing is apparent. OtF is lacking French stuff! :-) Matt Bittner http://www.geocities.com/~ipmsfortcrook http://www.discoveromaha.com/community/groups/plasticmodelers/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 06:34:47 -0500 From: Matthew E Bittner To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Rotary engine and COOL SPAD Message-ID: <19990519.063718.-1013489.0.mbittner@juno.com> On Wed, 19 May 1999 06:41:21 -0400 (EDT) John & Allison Cyganowski writes: > If it was a N.28 being restored at Garber, the pilot was Cole Palen. > This ship was a composite, built from original parts (I think we > have > discussed this ship's origins before). Alberto Casarati had an > article > in Windsock, Vol. 15 No.1 where he shows how to do the Revell N.28 > the > right way (and its in your scale Matt!). about Palen. I already performed most of the conversions (and a couple Alberto didn't think of) on the Revell Nie.28. Take a look at my French pages on Al's site for text. The article is great! This is what Windsock is supposed to be about. Sure hope the trend continues. > At the end of the article (Pg 18/19) there are 5 large well shot b/w > photos of the N.28 restoration work going on at Garber. It shows the > "peach basket" seat. Indeed! Actually, if you read the article, that's not the actual seat, but a "framework" to hold the real seat. Matt Bittner http://www.geocities.com/~ipmsfortcrook http://www.discoveromaha.com/community/groups/plasticmodelers/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 07:57:27 -0400 From: bucky@ptdprolog.net To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Latest Over the Front Message-ID: <3742A727.42CB071E@ptdprolog.net> Matthew E Bittner wrote: > However, one thing is apparent. OtF is lacking French stuff! :-) > Matt raises a point that has bothered me for awhile... not about OtF, but the genreal lack of books, articles on French pilots. Is it just a matter of there being a lot of books out there tha haven't been translated or that there aren't a lot of memoirs written by the French for some reason? Any thoughts? Mike Muth ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 1585 **********************