WWI Digest 1584 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Back to the Future by KarrArt@aol.com 2) Re: An announcement.... by KarrArt@aol.com 3) Re: Back to the Future by KarrArt@aol.com 4) Sierra Builtups by "Robert Norgren" 5) Re: Sierra Builtups by Albatrosdv@aol.com 6) Last word on the very off topic question by "Michal Beran" 7) Interesting item on eBay web site item#102995204: Addar Super Scenes #225 W.W. I Dogfight by modelhound@aol.com 8) RE: aircraft tires by "Diego Fernetti" 9) Re: Sierra Builtups by Dennis Ugulano 10) Hanriot Dorsal fin by bucky@ptdprolog.net 11) London listees by mkendix 12) Rotary engine by mkendix 13) London by Dave Wadman 14) Lee's "No Parachute" on ebay by Zulis@aol.com 15) New Photos on the Web page by Allan Wright 16) Re: Rotary engine by "Robert M. Farrar" 17) Re: Rotary engine by "Sandy Adam" 18) Re: Rotary engine by David & Carol Fletcher 19) Re: Rotary engine by "Robert M. Farrar" 20) Re: An announcement.... by Russell W Niles 21) Re: Re: Master Scratch Building Book by Alcorn by GRBroman@aol.com 22) Lee's No parachute on WWI Modeling List was:Re: Lee's "No Parachute" on ebay by smperry@mindspring.com 23) Re: Back to the Future by "DAVID BURKE" 24) Re: Rotary engine by "DAVID BURKE" 25) Re: Back to the Future by Albatrosdv@aol.com 26) RE: Back to the Future by "John Glaser" 27) Re: Back to the Future by "DAVID BURKE" 28) Re: Rotary engine and COOL SPAD by "Robert M. Farrar" 29) Lee's No parachute book sources by "Charles and Linda Duckworth" 30) Re: Hanriot Dorsal fin by "David R.L. Laws" 31) Avro 504K into a seaplane by Shane & Lorna Jenkins 32) Re: Rotary engine by "Robert Johnson" 33) Re: Avro 504K into a seaplane by Dave Wadman 34) Future help needed in the present by smperry@mindspring.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 02:07:03 EDT From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Back to the Future Message-ID: <99339a8c.24725d87@aol.com> In a message dated 5/17/99 8:07:13 PM Pacific Daylight Time, Albatrosdv@aol.com writes: << (Rule #1 - RK is always right. Rule #2 - if that seems incorrect, refer to Rule #1.) Tom C >> oooooohhhhhhhhh.....nobody sees my failures.....for instance, I found out you can't do rigging with hot mozzarella. Robert(embarrassed and blushing)K. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 02:07:06 EDT From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: An announcement.... Message-ID: <95593d0c.24725d8a@aol.com> In a message dated 5/17/99 6:34:02 PM Pacific Daylight Time, sharon@sword.net writes: << "The Hermaneutics of Modelling Directions in Foreign Tongues...." >> After that, see about interpreting colors from BW photos...... Seriously (Ha!), good "luck" in your new gig! Robert K. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 02:07:05 EDT From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Back to the Future Message-ID: <988a426e.24725d89@aol.com> In a message dated 5/17/99 7:19:34 PM Pacific Daylight Time, sdw@qld.mim.com.au writes: << Mike notes: > **ALSO** I have had some good results > with tinting the > Future with analine dyes, ..and there is my favourite technique for props - Future tinted with watercolour pencil. Hey, I even make "yellowed varnish" with Future and yellow ochre pencil. Shane >> If this same stuff was sold as an "art" or "hobby" product, it'd cost 20 times more. I've tried other brands of floor acrylic, including some stuff sold in the USA as "Mop'n'Glow". It smells about the same, feels about the same when you get it on your fingers, and does the clear part dipping trick as well as brand name Future(and its non-US equivalents) BUT it doesn't do all the other stuff a swell- it clumps with some kinds of water color and acrylic, and for some reason, it enjoys clogging airbrushes for no reason. Robert K. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 02:16:06 -0400 From: "Robert Norgren" To: Subject: Sierra Builtups Message-ID: <000501bea0f5$eb28bda0$9ab71b26@vucqpqlj> If anyone has photos of built up Sierra kits, I would be interested in hearing from you. My pages are up and I'm looking for photos to illustrate the kits. I have Alberto Rada's Fe and Re.8 up at http://sierrascale.hypermart.net/aeroclub48.htm Thanks Bob Norgren Sierra Scale Models 2010 Douglass Blvd #1 Louisville KY 40205 phone: 502 451-3745 email: starfusion@earthlink.net For unique 1/48 and 1/72 scale vacform aircraft kits, books and decals, and Aeroclub and Dynavector kits, visit our website at http://sierrascale.hypermart.net/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 02:53:43 EDT From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Sierra Builtups Message-ID: In a message dated 99-05-18 02:21:14 EDT, you write: << If anyone has photos of built up Sierra kits, I would be interested in hearing from you. My pages are up and I'm looking for photos to illustrate the kits. I have Alberto Rada's Fe and Re.8 up at >> I ought to go out to Planes of Fame then and get the BC-1 and photo it. (Done as a hack for 77th PS, 20th PG, 1940) Tom ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 12:37:00 +0200 From: "Michal Beran" To: Subject: Last word on the very off topic question Message-ID: <199905180855.KAA23217@jenicek.cm-sec.cz> OK, I can see now, what I have started. My apologies to anyone on the list. I have sentenced myself to build a terribly off topic ME-2...... Well, two turbines on it. It will never happen again. Michal (Anyone who wants to know what is the square dance for and why I have asked this contact me OFF list please.) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 01:48:24 -0700 (PDT) From: modelhound@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Interesting item on eBay web site item#102995204: Addar Super Scenes #225 W.W. I Dogfight Message-ID: <199905180848.BAA11431@boa.ebay.com> Check this out. Must be some pretty SMALL aeroplanes. Title of item: Addar Super Scenes #225 W.W. I Dogfight Seller: sknudson@austin.rr.com Starts: 05/11/99, 17:06:27 PDT Ends: 05/18/99, 17:06:27 PDT Price: Currently $12.50 To bid on the item, go to: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=102995204 Item Description: Complete unbuilt kit of a 'Scene in a Bottle' World War I dogfight. Most of the kit parts are still on their sprues. The decals, however, show signs of mildew or some other sort of discoloration. The kit box is in very good shape with some minor wrinkling on one end label. Buyer agrees to pay $4 shipping in North America, $7 shipping overseas. Visit eBay, the world's largest Personal Trading Community at http://www.ebay.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 08:24:53 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: Subject: RE: aircraft tires Message-ID: <000c01bea121$0d6ea3e0$4640a8c0@prens-001.ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Thanks for all that shared their knowledge about aircraft tires. Every day I learn something new from the list, and I think that this is wonderful. D. Now I'll add some pink to my "tire paint" to see how it looks like below a red aircraft... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 08:15:59 -0400 From: Dennis Ugulano To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Re: Sierra Builtups Message-ID: <199905180816_MC2-7618-A5BB@compuserve.com> Bob, The AEG IV is on my web site. I have photo available. Dennis Ugulano email: Uggies@compuserve.com http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/uggies Page Revised 3/26/99 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 08:46:47 -0400 From: bucky@ptdprolog.net To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Hanriot Dorsal fin Message-ID: <37416137.9BA2C5A2@ptdprolog.net> Hiro I looked at all the Hanriot stuff I could find. It took awhile to see what you were looking at. I agree that it appears that the French Airplanes book has it wrong. The Datafile and Eduard kit seems to have it right. Not too many picture that show it, however. I found one in "Above Flanders' Fields" that shows it slopes into the fuselage gradually, and not into a sharp point. HTH Mike Muth ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 09:20:54 -0400 (EDT) From: mkendix To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: London listees Message-ID: I shall be in London during the week of June 7. I'm meeting with Graham Nash during lunch on June 8 and if anyone would like to join us, they'd be most welcome. This is a visit to look up some old friends and relatives and but I'll probably be going to Hendon at some point, since that's close to my old neighbourhood (Edgware). IWM is also a distinct possibility as is Comet model shop (near Clapham Common), and the Aviation Bookshop in Holloway Road. Michael mkendix@worthen.ihcrp.georgetown.edu ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 10:45:14 -0400 (EDT) From: mkendix To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Rotary engine Message-ID: Please excuse my ignorance but can someone explain how a rotary engine wrks. I thought that the whole set of cylinders rotated, hence, the name. Is there a site or a publication that explains these engines' operation. My colleague at work did not believe the whole engine turned round, so I need to convince him. What were the main advantages of rotary engines as compared to in-line engines or whatever, that existed at or before that time? Michael mkendix@worthen.ihcrp.georgetown.edu ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 08:57:22 -0700 From: Dave Wadman To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: London Message-ID: <37418DE2.4E02@nucleus.com> Hi all, Michael wrote about being in London in June. This prompts me to ask, albeit a bit early, two questions. 1). If any of the UK or none-UK members of the list will be attending the IPMS Nats at Telford this year?, 2). Is there any one else, apart from Michael and I that are originally from or grew up in N.W.London/Middx? Dave W. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 10:59:46 EDT From: Zulis@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Lee's "No Parachute" on ebay Message-ID: <93a8f08e.2472da62@aol.com> Greetings! Recently, someone on the list was enquiring on the list about A.G.Lee's book "No Parachute". Just wanted to let you know that a copy is currently up for auction on ebay at: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=105596269 For anyone who is considering bidding, an ebay user named "bovinerules" is already bidding, and this individual seems to have rather deep pockets, so you may want to set a strict maximum for yourself and stick to it - bidding war not recommended. I cant help you much with suggesting a value - Aeroplane Books was selling this one for $32 last summer, which seems a bit high to me, but I have no other data. FYI, Dave Z ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 11:32:46 -0400 (EDT) From: Allan Wright To: wwi Subject: New Photos on the Web page Message-ID: <199905181532.LAA17469@pease1.sr.unh.edu> Hi all, Pedro sent me some new photos he took recently of an Antra (Ansal?) plane. They're on-line here: http://pease1.sr.unh.edu/Images/Anatra/index.html -Allan =============================================================================== Allan Wright Jr. | You fell victim to one of the 'classic' blunders! University of New Hampshire+--------------------------------------------------- Research Computing Center | WWI Modeling mailing list: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Internet: aew@unh.edu | WWI Modeling WWW Page: http://pease1.sr.unh.edu =============================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 11:19:51 -0500 From: "Robert M. Farrar" To: Subject: Re: Rotary engine Message-ID: <000c01bea14a$441aa000$132688cf@rmf> Michael, The primary pupose of a RADIAL (including ROTARY radials) is to save weight... the crankcase is much more compact than an inline or vee arrangement, so the individual cylinders combined with the crankcase etc. weighs less than a conventional engine. The crankshaft on rotary radials is stationary with a passageway for the fuel/air mixture..many had the intake/and exhaust valves in the crown of the pistons. I believe the reason behind the rotary part is part technology of the times and simplifiction. Bob Farrar -----Original Message----- From: mkendix To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Tuesday, May 18, 1999 10:01 AM Subject: Rotary engine >Please excuse my ignorance but can someone explain how a rotary engine >wrks. I thought that the whole set of cylinders rotated, hence, the >name. Is there a site or a publication that explains these engines' >operation. My colleague at work did not believe the whole engine turned >round, so I need to convince him. What were the main advantages of >rotary engines as compared to in-line engines or whatever, that existed >at or before that time? > >Michael > > >mkendix@worthen.ihcrp.georgetown.edu > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 17:24:41 +0100 From: "Sandy Adam" To: Subject: Re: Rotary engine Message-ID: <004b01bea14b$358ced80$19e8b094@sandyada> Main advantage was self-cooling - as it spun the airflow cooled it, so no weight of water to carry, hence lightness. When you are at RAFM Hendon you'll see a cutaway Clerget (I think) which beautifully demonstrates how it works. Sandy -----Original Message----- From: mkendix To: Multiple recipients of list Date: 18 May 1999 15:59 Subject: Rotary engine >Please excuse my ignorance but can someone explain how a rotary engine >wrks. I thought that the whole set of cylinders rotated, hence, the >name. Is there a site or a publication that explains these engines' >operation. My colleague at work did not believe the whole engine turned >round, so I need to convince him. What were the main advantages of >rotary engines as compared to in-line engines or whatever, that existed >at or before that time? > >Michael > > >mkendix@worthen.ihcrp.georgetown.edu > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 08:35:36 -0700 From: David & Carol Fletcher To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Rotary engine Message-ID: <374188C8.214D@mars.ark.com> mkendix wrote: "...can someone explain how a rotary engine wrks..." You are right - the whole crankcase with cylinders attached rotates - and the propeller is bolted firmly to the the crankcase. The crankshaft is attached to the aircraft firewall and doesn't move. This spinning action necessitates a "total loss" lubrication system (it's no coincidence that the RAF uniform is the colour of burnt castor oil...). Likewise, the fuel flow is more difficult to control than a "fixed" engine, so rotaries were generally run at their maximum RPM (that said, some control was possible through mixture and fuel flow control, as well as "blipping" the ignition to cut off the spark to some cylinders to reduce the power for landing.) There is a history and technical explanation of the rotary engine from the Science Museum, London entitled "The Rotary Aero Engine" by Andrew Nahum, ISBN 0 11 290452 1, HMSO London, 1987. Essentially the rotary died out because it lacked the higher power potential of the radial and in-line engines. Why the rotary in the first place? It was light and compact and, at the time, offered the greatest power per pound of weight. Better cooling was also possible a low aircraft speed when the cylinders were spun in the airstream, It was, however, expensive to produce as the strength and precision necessary were greater than a "fixed" engine. Is that enough? Dave Fletcher (who has a horizontally-opposed four cylinder in his aircraft...) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 13:04:16 -0500 From: "Robert M. Farrar" To: "ww1" Subject: Re: Rotary engine Message-ID: <000601bea158$dadf16c0$dd3488cf@rmf> Hi listers, I am normally not argumentative, but I must disagree with Sandy Adam. See my previous post on radials and rotaries...the primary reasons for any radial is weight reduction and compactness; whether it rotates or not is mostly moot ...Imagine how large and heavy a conventional engine of equal horsepower was at that time (you don't find too many O-X 5's @ approx. 90 h.p. and 400+lbs. on 25 foot span fighters). Many of the dread off-subject aircraft were eqipped with 9, 18, 28!!, etc. cylinder FIXED radials. (The Pratt and Whitney R-4360 was comprised of 4 staggered rows of 7 cylinders each for a total of 4,360 ! cubic inches displacement and3,000 !horsepower). A conventional engine of this displacement simply will not fit the intended application. Sandy is correct in that there is no need for liquid coolant...I know of several instances where one or more cylinders have been shot off in combat(not radial rotaries) and the pilot made it back even though he had hundreds of miles to go...try that with a liquid cooled engine! Well, I think I'll go mess up some plastic! Bob -----Original Message----- From: Sandy Adam To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Tuesday, May 18, 1999 11:27 AM Subject: Re: Rotary engine >Main advantage was self-cooling - as it spun the airflow cooled it, so no >weight of water to carry, hence lightness. > >When you are at RAFM Hendon you'll see a cutaway Clerget (I think) which >beautifully demonstrates how it works. >Sandy >-----Original Message----- >From: mkendix >To: Multiple recipients of list >Date: 18 May 1999 15:59 >Subject: Rotary engine > > >>Please excuse my ignorance but can someone explain how a rotary engine >>wrks. I thought that the whole set of cylinders rotated, hence, the >>name. Is there a site or a publication that explains these engines' >>operation. My colleague at work did not believe the whole engine turned >>round, so I need to convince him. What were the main advantages of >>rotary engines as compared to in-line engines or whatever, that existed >>at or before that time? >> >>Michael >> >> >>mkendix@worthen.ihcrp.georgetown.edu >> >> > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 17:33:50 -0700 From: Russell W Niles To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: An announcement.... Message-ID: <19990518.112408.-439521.0.r_niles1@juno.com> >I would just like to advise the list members that one of our number >... >Sharon.... will be ordained into the Church today - becoming the >"Reverend >Sharon Henderson". > Congratulations Sharon, from the Northern California Baptist contingent. God bless you, Russ Niles ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 14:58:58 EDT From: GRBroman@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Re: Master Scratch Building Book by Alcorn Message-ID: <61f59364.24731272@aol.com> In a message dated 5/17/99, 3:12:37 PM, wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu writes: <<<< The mailperson brought me a Historic Aviation catalog today and I see Alcorn has a new book on scratchbuilding >> Snip Did the catalog give a release date?>> It's out now. Roll Models had it at the IPMS/USA Region V regional at 25% off last weekend. It looks very nice Glen ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 17:10:05 -0400 From: smperry@mindspring.com To: Subject: Lee's No parachute on WWI Modeling List was:Re: Lee's "No Parachute" on ebay Message-ID: <003b01bea172$cdca8d60$ed2845cf@smp> I cant help you much with suggesting a value - > Aeroplane Books was selling this one for $32 last summer, which seems a bit > high to me, but I have no other data. > > FYI, > > Dave Z I picked up my paperback copy for US $2.50 at a used book store. EtH is first on the list if he wants to read it , anyone else wishing to read it LMK Off List and we can send it round like a chain letter. sp ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 16:32:33 -0500 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: Back to the Future Message-ID: <006c01bea178$32e3f420$d901c0d1@dora9sprynet.com> Dipping canopies in Future isn't the best way that I have found. I prefer polishing them with sanding cloths and different grades of polishing compounds. This works well for vac canopies too. Dave ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 16:43:42 -0500 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: Rotary engine Message-ID: <006d01bea178$33c74f40$d901c0d1@dora9sprynet.com> Likewise, the >fuel flow is more difficult to control than a "fixed" engine, so >rotaries were generally run at their maximum RPM (that said, some >control was possible through mixture and fuel flow control, as well as >"blipping" the ignition to cut off the spark to some cylinders to reduce >the power for landing Hey Dave! Thanks for that information! I knew about how the rotaries worked, and that the whole engine spun with the prop, but the 'blipping explanation explains why in movies such as 'Dawn Patrol', the engines seemed to run on and off while taxiing and landing. I figured that the rotaries were throttleable, and that the planes had some kind of warm-up problem. A WW2 A/C whose engine sounded like that would require a crash crew! Neat! Apparently the Most Recent Dave ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 18:17:21 EDT From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Back to the Future Message-ID: In a message dated 99-05-18 17:54:41 EDT, you write: << This works well for vac canopies too. >> It doesn't, however, protect them like a dipping in Future does. Tom Cleaver ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 17:53:50 -0500 From: "John Glaser" To: Subject: RE: Back to the Future Message-ID: Hearing "Mop-N-Glow" for the first time in years brings back a distant memory. Back in my Army days, we needed a highly shined, a.k.a, spit-shined, set of "show boots." These were never worn but were on perpetual display at each bunk in the barracks. The fastest way to the desired shine was a quick touch of black Kiwi, followed by an overcoat of Mop-N-Glow. Shine held up for months but you never, never dared wear them due to cracking & flaking. We also wrapped underwear around empty beer cans for the perfect rolled look but that's a story for another day........... - John -----Original Message----- From: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu [mailto:wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu]On Behalf Of KarrArt@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 1999 1:09 AM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Back to the Future In a message dated 5/17/99 7:19:34 PM Pacific Daylight Time, sdw@qld.mim.com.au writes: << Mike notes: > **ALSO** I have had some good results > with tinting the > Future with analine dyes, ..and there is my favourite technique for props - Future tinted with watercolour pencil. Hey, I even make "yellowed varnish" with Future and yellow ochre pencil. Shane >> If this same stuff was sold as an "art" or "hobby" product, it'd cost 20 times more. I've tried other brands of floor acrylic, including some stuff sold in the USA as "Mop'n'Glow". It smells about the same, feels about the same when you get it on your fingers, and does the clear part dipping trick as well as brand name Future(and its non-US equivalents) BUT it doesn't do all the other stuff a swell- it clumps with some kinds of water color and acrylic, and for some reason, it enjoys clogging airbrushes for no reason. Robert K. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 18:10:58 -0500 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: Back to the Future Message-ID: <000801bea183$b36ceb00$de32c0d1@dora9sprynet.com> We will simply have to agree to disagree on that, then. Dave -----Original Message----- From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Tuesday, May 18, 1999 5:21 PM Subject: Re: Back to the Future >In a message dated 99-05-18 17:54:41 EDT, you write: > ><< This works well for vac canopies too. >> >It doesn't, however, protect them like a dipping in Future does. > >Tom Cleaver ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 18:18:42 -0500 From: "Robert M. Farrar" To: Subject: Re: Rotary engine and COOL SPAD Message-ID: <002a01bea184$c9a2d780$772d88cf@rmf> Listers That's the charm of ALL radial engines, they cough, sputter, wheese, burp,fart, and let loose with the most damnned near sensual sounds and smells known to internal combustion! If you ever get the chance to be in on the start-up of one, you will never forget it! (not to mention hand starting them, been there). I am a licensed A&P mechanic and nearly all of my work was dope and fabric and RADIAL engines...nothing quite like an AIR TRACTOR'S (modern duster) R-985 at full throttle while my ear is 6 inches from the open stack exhaust while making a tiny adjustment! Must admit though, went to Silver Hill for a week back in the mid-late '80's WITHOUT a camera. I am the #1 gimp of all time! The curator seemed to think we were all a bunch of doufus's so I split from the group each day. I will never forget the SPAD A12 (?). It was a conventional two seater, but it was a SPAD! I toured the restoration facility on my own for several days. They were still fartin' around with some WW1 stuff...I truly wish that I had asked for samples of their lonzenge fabric. Could 'a took some, but I'm the Andy Griffith type if you know what I mean. Round engines and frog butts, Bob -Original Message----- From: DAVID BURKE To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Tuesday, May 18, 1999 4:54 PM Subject: Re: Rotary engine > > >Likewise, the >>fuel flow is more difficult to control than a "fixed" engine, so >>rotaries were generally run at their maximum RPM (that said, some >>control was possible through mixture and fuel flow control, as well as >>"blipping" the ignition to cut off the spark to some cylinders to reduce >>the power for landing > >Hey Dave! > > Thanks for that information! I knew about how the rotaries worked, and >that the whole engine spun with the prop, but the 'blipping explanation >explains why in movies such as 'Dawn Patrol', the engines seemed to run on >and off while taxiing and landing. I figured that the rotaries were >throttleable, and that the planes had some kind of warm-up problem. A WW2 >A/C whose engine sounded like that would require a crash crew! Neat! > > Apparently the Most Recent Dave > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 18:36:37 -0500 From: "Charles and Linda Duckworth" To: Subject: Lee's No parachute book sources Message-ID: <010001bea187$47cc97c0$ac5cdfd1@q1p5x0> I did a search on Advance Book Exchange http://whipper.abebooks.com/abep/il.dll?ph=1 for No Parachute and six books came up one as low as $5 and others first edition for $40. Look here first before bidding on eBay, you may not find the rare Harleyford book on naval a/c but I've found it to be a great source for finding out of print books at reasonable prices. I've bought several books using this site without any problems. You can also search on the old Profile series and Datafiles. Charlie ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 10:09:47 +0000 From: "David R.L. Laws" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Hanriot Dorsal fin Message-ID: <37428DEB.74FD@webtime.com.au> Another 2 bobs worth from down under Anything I can find in my WW 1 aero references also show the sharp point rather than truncated shape For what it's worth Harry Woodman's plans for a scratch built version version of this type also has the sharp end - Like everyone else I surprised to find the truncated headrest shape in the Edu kit david ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 09:58:30 +1000 From: Shane & Lorna Jenkins To: WW1 posts Subject: Avro 504K into a seaplane Message-ID: <3741FEA6.D1795E0B@tac.com.au> Hi everyone, Does anybody know how the tail float on the Avro 504L was constructed. All the photos I can find don't show the tail clearly enough for me to be able to work it out. I know this is post WW1 and therefore slightly off topic but I'm sure at least one of you knows the answer to this and I certainly don't :-( TIA Lorna ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 19:43:36 -0500 From: "Robert Johnson" To: Subject: Re: Rotary engine Message-ID: <003901bea190$a1df96a0$05f99ed0@robjohn.swdata.com> I to enjoyed a moment of understanding. I had begun to believe that it was just that wwi engine designer just went to the same school as Harley Davison designers. (both can't idle and leak oil) ;-) rob johnson (all my cylinders are horizontally opposed; however, they are also vertically challenged) -----Original Message----- From: DAVID BURKE To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Tuesday, May 18, 1999 4:54 PM Subject: Re: Rotary engine > > >Likewise, the >>fuel flow is more difficult to control than a "fixed" engine, so >>rotaries were generally run at their maximum RPM (that said, some >>control was possible through mixture and fuel flow control, as well as >>"blipping" the ignition to cut off the spark to some cylinders to reduce >>the power for landing > >Hey Dave! > > Thanks for that information! I knew about how the rotaries worked, and >that the whole engine spun with the prop, but the 'blipping explanation >explains why in movies such as 'Dawn Patrol', the engines seemed to run on >and off while taxiing and landing. I figured that the rotaries were >throttleable, and that the planes had some kind of warm-up problem. A WW2 >A/C whose engine sounded like that would require a crash crew! Neat! > > Apparently the Most Recent Dave > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 19:11:51 -0700 From: Dave Wadman To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Avro 504K into a seaplane Message-ID: <37421DE7.5E51@nucleus.com> Shane & Lorna Jenkins wrote: > > Hi everyone, > > Does anybody know how the tail float on the Avro 504L was constructed. > All the photos I can find don't show the tail clearly enough for me to > be able to work it out. Hi Lorna, I have a copy of a modelling article which gives float info/drawings for the 504. If you'd care to email me your snail address I can send a copy to you. Regards Dave W. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 21:21:28 -0400 From: smperry@mindspring.com To: Subject: Future help needed in the present Message-ID: <004801bea195$ec0b11a0$622b45cf@smp> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0045_01BEA174.64531F80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Has anyone tried using india ink to accentuate a panel line or other = engraved details over a Future surface? I've seen this done very = effectively over a gloss lacquer surface. I'm slap out of gloss lacquer = but I'm the proud owner of a jug of Future. I suppose that well dried = Future is fairly waterproof, but I'd sure like to hear from someone who = knows for sure.=20 TIA sp ------=_NextPart_000_0045_01BEA174.64531F80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Has anyone tried using india ink to accentuate a = panel line or=20 other engraved details over a Future surface?  I've seen this done = very=20 effectively over a gloss lacquer surface. I'm slap out of gloss lacquer = but=20 I'm the proud owner of a jug of Future. I suppose that well dried = Future is=20 fairly waterproof, but I'd sure like to hear from someone who knows for = sure.=20
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