WWI Digest 1565

Topics covered in this issue include:

  1) Re: German Aircraft Designations
	by "Sandy Adam" <cbbs@almac.co.uk>
  2) Re: Jewlers bench. was Re: Another one bites the dust
	by "Sandy Adam" <cbbs@almac.co.uk>
  3) Re: "Tout sang qui coule est rouge" (Caporal Bullard's SPAD)
	by "Sandy Adam" <cbbs@almac.co.uk>
  4) RE: Cartoons WAS Re: Rogues Gallery
	by "Diego Fernetti" <dfernet0@rosario.gov.ar>
  5) Lord of Sith WAS:List Newbie, etc.
	by "Diego Fernetti" <dfernet0@rosario.gov.ar>
  6) Pegasus SVA 5
	by kevinkim@interlog.com (Kevin & Kimberley)
  7) Oooops
	by kevinkim@interlog.com (Kevin & Kimberley)
  8) RE: come back
	by "Diego Fernetti" <dfernet0@rosario.gov.ar>
  9) Re: Another one bites the dust
	by "Robert M. Farrar" <rmf3@airmail.net>
 10) Re: List Newbie, etc.
	by "Douglas R. Jones" <djones@iex.com>
 11) More Rogues
	by Allan Wright <aew>
 12) Re: German Grey-Green
	by "Lee J Mensinger" <lemen@wireweb.net>
 13) Re: German Grey-Green
	by "Lee J Mensinger" <lemen@wireweb.net>
 14) Re: Udet's Dr.1
	by "Dave & Kim" <dandk@mediaone.net>
 15) RE: Udet's Dr.1
	by "Satin, Michael N. (SHEP)" <Michael.Satin@shepards.com>
 16) RE: More Rogues
	by "Diego Fernetti" <dfernet0@rosario.gov.ar>
 17) Re: More Rogues
	by KarrArt@aol.com
 18) Re: Another one met!
	by KarrArt@aol.com
 19) RE: More Rogues
	by "Satin, Michael N. (SHEP)" <Michael.Satin@shepards.com>
 20) Re: RE: More Rogues
	by "Paul Schwartzkopf" <PSchwartzkopf@transcrypt.com>
 21) Re: More Rogues
	by KarrArt@aol.com
 22) Re: More Rogues
	by johnglaser@att.net
 23) Airfix RE.8
	by "Tom Werner Hansen" <tomwerner.hansen@c2i.net>
 24) My profile page mailing list
	by "Bob Pearson" <bpearson@kaien.com>
 25) RE: German Aircraft Designations
	by Shane Weier <sdw@qld.mim.com.au>
 26) RE: RE: More Rogues
	by Shane Weier <sdw@qld.mim.com.au>
 27) Re: Another one bites the dust
	by Matthew E Bittner <mbittner@juno.com>
 28) Re: More Rogues
	by Matthew E Bittner <mbittner@juno.com>
 29) Re: German Aircraft Designations
	by Matthew E Bittner <mbittner@juno.com>
 30) RE: More Rogues
	by Shane Weier <sdw@qld.mim.com.au>
 31) Re: German Aircraft Designations
	by Mike Fletcher <mdf@mars.ark.com>

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Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 09:34:16 +0100
From: "Sandy Adam" <cbbs@almac.co.uk>
To: <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Subject: Re: German Aircraft Designations
Message-ID: <00b801be979f$000b7e20$11e8b094@sandyada>

Tom, after reading your very civil and good-natured reply, might I apologise
if my previous post was a bit sharp - it was a hell of a day yesterday!

Everybody is entitled to their view on these subjects and opposing thoughts
are always useful. Over the years though some of us - myself included, have
fallen victim to stating that something is a fact when it is really a
(probably well-considered) opinion. All I ask is that when we make
observations we are careful to identify this.

Regarding D-types, I feel it perfectly reasonable if you think this had
nothing to do with Doppeldecker. On the other hand, however, I think it did
and hope you will accept that this is the result of my own research (and
reasonably fluent ability with the language, deciphering several German text
sources) and some careful thinking on the subject. Anybody else who's
interested can weigh these thoughts up (or not), add their own input and
then draw their own conclusion.

However much more important than all this is that we continue to discuss all
such things in the civilised tone of your reply - for which I thank you.
Sandy

>Hello from battered, shattered and crushed Oklahoma City. We will
>recover and grow again!
>
>I asked for it and I got it.  I've condensed two wonderful messages and
>replied to most of the points in both saving the list a little time and
>reading.
>
>>From Jason Crouthamel in Indiana I presume;
>
>“Your references to "Teutonic thinking" and "Prussian logic" don't seem
>to explain the reasoning behind D designations of fighter aircraft. How
>does national character enter into language used to describe aircraft?”
>
>Jason, it was truly meant to be a compliment.  German engineers and the
>military are world renowned for their precision and logic.  When I first
>found threads of a simple A, B, C, D etc. designation system, I became
>curious why would a common name Doppeldecker be abbreviated to D for one
>type of biplane but other biplanes retain a different letter designator
>that was apparently mission related.
>
>“Speaking of which, there are numerous spelling errors in your text --
>"Doppeldecker" (not "le") is the correct spelling of the German word for
>biplane, and the correct spellings for "two" and "three" are "zwei"
>(colloquial "zwo") and "Drei" (as in"Dreidecker" respectively. Note also
>that "Decker" (meaning "wings", or litterally "planes") is not spelled
>with two "k"s
>
>I'm slightly dyslexic (lexdisic :-)) and have no formal training in
>German.  Most of what I have learned has been through readily available
>publications.  I think I've only seen two examples of the WW-I specific
>magazines routinely referred to here on this list in my entire life.
>The vast majority of my designations article came from cover to cover
>readings of GERMAN AIRCRAFT OF THE FIRST WORLD WAR by Gray and Thetford.
>
>"Please excuse the references to details, but I though this might be
>useful info. to revise your web-site."
>
>References excused. Revision most definitely planned along with a dish
>of humble pie.
>
>>From Sandy Adams:
>
>“I am moved by his comments about exactitude.”
>
>Mea Culpa, then the writer proceeds to be incredibly inaccurate with his
>spelling! That's what you get when your school was an experiment in
>phonics, I can't spell.
>
>Once Idflieg established type designations, they chose mnemonics that
>would readily convey the purpose of the aeroplane. Thus G for
>Grossflugzeug, R for Riesienflugzeug etc. This did not however progress
>logically through the single letter alphabet and this explains the gaps
>in the alphabet and use of classes such as Dr for Dreidecker (note
>spelling)."
>
>This is the reason I asked Alan to post this. We found yet another
>possible explanation.  And Sandy raises another question; what is the
>literal translation of the “Riesien” in the R designation?  Also Sandy
>it is said that all military plans are fantastic until the first
>encounter with the enemy. Keeping track of what letter went with what
>mission may have gotten cumbersome late in the war when as you say below
>one mission type ended up doing another mission
>
>"Whether D- and E-types meant Doppeldeckers (note spelling) and
>Eindeckers
>(sp) or a continuation of the earlier Type A, B, C etc seems totally
>pointless to me - the fact is that these type-classifications fulfilled
>both
>requirements anyway. A fact that would have been very obvious to all at
>the
>time".
>
>It was obvious to all at the time but with time it is becoming lost to
>us.
>
>"Tom says there is "a breakdown in clear Teutonic thinking ..(in)
>calling a
>TWO wing airplane Dopple instead of the logical, numeric Zwi (two)?"
>Well,
>that there may be - but I'm afraid Doppeldecker (sp) is the correct
>German
>term for a biplane. And exactly this explains why a D-type has become
>universally known as a Doppeldecker."
>
>That’ my point exactly, apparently the D didn’t start its life as a
>contraction for Doppeldecker, it was just the next letter in the list.
>
>"(Zweidecker (note spelling) would have roughly the same meaning as
>"two-winger" in English -which you might use occasionally but is more
>propely expressed as "biplane")"
>
>And conversely in English it’s a monoplane not one winger and it’s a
>tri-plane not a three winger.   But that is the contrary phrasing in
>German that has me convinced of the sequential lettering regardless of
>mnemonics at least through the use of F on the triplanes
>
>"So, in the spirit of exactitude, lets not have sweeping statements that
>D
>for Doppeldecker is wrong. It is not."
>
>The point is taken the beast is dead.  Rev 01 will be more neutral and
>emphasize my opinion as opposed to black and white facts.
>
>"D is definitely and unarguably for D-type - but with a system that
>classes a
>machine as a G-type because it is a Grossflugzeug - or an N-type because
>it
>is a Nachteinsaetzer, who is seriously going to tell me that Idflieg did
>not
>feel that D-type very neatly fitted for a Doppeldecker einsaetzer?"
>
>Then why weren’t the two seat bi-planes classified as Doppeldecker
>zweisaetzer?
>
>"Oh yes - the Razor. It started life as an E-type then became a D-type.
>So
>what:? This is an anomaly - but there were other anomalies. C-types were
>
>used extensively as unarmed trainers - but were not re-classified as
>B-types."
>
>It just remains an opportunity for some one else to hunt down that
>elusive order that changed the designation.
>
>"Tom's description of Idflieg classifications will be very useful to
>newcomers - but a bit one-sided, I think, regarding D-types. Perhaps he
>would not mind adding a line to say that this is his personal opinion
>and
>that there are other views on the subject?"
>
>I agree and I will.
>
>This is an exercise in learning from all of you and thank you for your
>input.
>
>Just remember team if you’re not making waves, you’re not making
>headway.
>Tom Solinski
>
>
>


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Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 09:59:55 +0100
From: "Sandy Adam" <cbbs@almac.co.uk>
To: <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Subject: Re: Jewlers bench. was Re: Another one bites the dust
Message-ID: <00b901be979f$01846280$11e8b094@sandyada>

>I think it was old Shane who mentioned a jewlers bench. Having spent
>some time at one(working gold), it's high on my want list. In addition
>to having the catch tray, when you're sitting at it, the table is right
>at about eye level. No more sore backs from hunching over while fiddling
>with pe

Sounds brilliant. With a little conversion, you could put a rack of beer
along one side and some snacks on the other . A commode under the chair, and
you would never need to leave the thing. You could strap yourself in, attach
the bib, and churn out masterpiece after masterpiece....
Sandy


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Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 10:04:25 +0100
From: "Sandy Adam" <cbbs@almac.co.uk>
To: <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Subject: Re: "Tout sang qui coule est rouge" (Caporal Bullard's SPAD)
Message-ID: <00be01be979f$71a53800$11e8b094@sandyada>

>Does the BM SPAD have the accursed ripples?


Mine didn't Rio, but it had at least one very thick wing trailing edge.
Sandy


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Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 07:29:26 -0300
From: "Diego Fernetti" <dfernet0@rosario.gov.ar>
To: <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Subject: RE: Cartoons WAS Re: Rogues Gallery
Message-ID: <003c01be97ab$50ffdd60$4640a8c0@prens-001.ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar>

Maybe this is WAY too off topic, but if anyone is interested this is how
these characters were called here in the deep south:
Dick Dastardly: Pierre Nodoyuna (translates loosely as "never do good")
Penelope Pitstop: Penélope L'amour
The pigeon: El palomo mensajero
The dog: Patán (translates as "rascal")
The plane designer and his companion: Tontón & Tontín (translates loosely as
"Dumb and Dumber")
The handsome guy in that looooong car: Pedro Bello (I hated him)
The Chicago Mob: Los mafiosos
The cavemen in that stone car: Los hermanos Macana (translates as "the Club
brothers")
There were many others... I remember that the cartoon was dubbed here "los
aviones locos", and the race were "los autos locos"(amazingly original,
hein?).
Cheesy as they were, that series, Waldo Pepper and "those magnificent
men..."  were my first look at early planes. Today I see a Farman and I say
"Pierre Nodoyuna!"
D.
-----Mensaje original-----
De: Suvoroff@aol.com <Suvoroff@aol.com>
Para: Multiple recipients of list <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Fecha: Miércoles 5 de Mayo de 1999 7:24 PM
Asunto: Re: Cartoons WAS Re: Rogues Gallery


>While the original idea and charactors have apparently been recycled
several
>times, I beleive that the original cartoon series was entitled, "The Perils
>of Penelope Pitstop".  I cannot beleive that this pinnacle of the cartoon
>cinematographer's art has been so soon forgotten.
>
>Yours,
>James D. Gray
>


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Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 07:31:46 -0300
From: "Diego Fernetti" <dfernet0@rosario.gov.ar>
To: <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Subject: Lord of Sith WAS:List Newbie, etc.
Message-ID: <004701be97ab$a46a8a40$4640a8c0@prens-001.ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar>

-----Mensaje original-----
De: Robert M. Farrar <rmf3@airmail.net>
Para: Multiple recipients of list <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>


>IMPRESSIVE ! MASTER LUKE, YOUR MASTER HAS TAUGHT YOU WELL
>D.V.
>

David Vosburgh said that? Jesus!
D.


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Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 06:59:01 -0500
From: kevinkim@interlog.com (Kevin & Kimberley)
To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu
Subject: Pegasus SVA 5
Message-ID: <v01530501b3573443dee0@[207.34.203.92]>


>Also I have a spare Pegasus Ansaldo SVA5...any trades?
>Bob


Bob,

I can't tell you how long I've been trying to track down this kit. What are
you looking for!?!?!

Kevin Barrett.



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Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 07:00:26 -0500
From: kevinkim@interlog.com (Kevin & Kimberley)
To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu
Subject: Oooops
Message-ID: <v01530502b35734a7f65e@[207.34.203.92]>

Sorry List,

Rabid SVA E-mail was to go to Bob, not the list.

Shamed,
Kevin Barrett.



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Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 08:03:46 -0300
From: "Diego Fernetti" <dfernet0@rosario.gov.ar>
To: <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Subject: RE: come back
Message-ID: <002001be97b0$1d0a38c0$4640a8c0@prens-001.ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar>

Good to hear from you
D.
-----Mensaje original-----
De: Hirohisa Ozaki <ozaki@miln.mei.co.jp>
Para: Multiple recipients of list <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Fecha: Miércoles 5 de Mayo de 1999 10:04 PM
Asunto: come back


>Hello, All.
>I've just come back.
>
>Hiro
>
>


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Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 08:11:57 -0500
From: "Robert M. Farrar" <rmf3@airmail.net>
To: <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Subject: Re: Another one bites the dust
Message-ID: <007701be97c3$beb1e8e0$a82e88cf@rmf>

A Merlin kit? no way!
Bob

-----Original Message-----
From: Matthew E Bittner <mbittner@juno.com>
To: Multiple recipients of list <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Date: Wednesday, May 05, 1999 9:10 PM
Subject: Re: Another one bites the dust


>On Wed, 5 May 1999 19:31:25 -0400 (EDT) "Robert M. Farrar"
><rmf3@airmail.net> writes:
>
>> Yeah?
>> Well
>> Ventura, Messerscmitt,albatros,Zero,spad,Mustang,Spitfire,hansa 
>> brandenburg,
>> Thunderbolt,Focke Wulf,aviatik,fokker :-)
>> so there!
>
>Uh oh.  He said it!  He said the word!  Maybe we can forgive him because
>he's a newbee, but still.  Sacriledge!  For your pentinance (sp?) you
>must build either the Merlin AEG G.IV or Friedrichshafen.  Correctly and
>in scale.
>
>Oh, my virgin eyes... :-)
>
>
>Matt Bittner
>


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Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 09:01:22 -0500
From: "Douglas R. Jones" <djones@iex.com>
To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu
Subject: Re: List Newbie, etc.
Message-ID: <199905061401.JAA16103@deimos>

At 04:21 PM 5/5/99 -0400, you wrote:
>Super!  Another Texan!  In case nobody noticed, we're 
>taking over. :-)
>
>John
>Houston, TX
>(Temporarily this week in So. Calif.)
>> Mesquite (Dallas) Texas

We are indeed! Doug from Carrollton, Texas. Ira (TPTPUMPER) who hails from
Arlington, Texas hangs here as well!

Doug
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Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 10:30:48 -0400 (EDT)
From: Allan Wright <aew>
To: wwi
Subject: More Rogues
Message-ID: <199905061430.KAA19840@pease1.sr.unh.edu>

3 more Rogues added to the gallery....

Thanks for the pics guys!

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Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 10:41:25 -0500
From: "Lee J Mensinger" <lemen@wireweb.net>
To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu
Subject: Re: German Grey-Green
Message-ID: <3731B824.ACCD1E29@wireweb.net>

I have posted to the Models and Images Gallery an interior photo of a Fokker
E-V replica.  The engine has not yet been mounted.  I believe you will agree
tha the color is similar to hte Luftwaffe RLM Grey from WW II.

The paint used was supplied by the company that made the WW I paint for the
German Air Force during that period.

The lozenge fabric was also supplied by the same company that made the fabric
in WW I.

It is extremely close to RLM Grey.    Check on the photos. I can take more
pictures if needed.

I  am sorry for the long time between your message and my answer. I just ran
across the message, again,  this morning and it jogged my memory as to why I
had kept it.    Lee

Lee Mensinger
New Braunfels TX


Kevin & Kimberley wrote:

> To the list,
>
> At the risk of belabouring a point long since settled, the question of
> German Grey-Green paint as used on metal A/C surfaces has had me wondering
> recently. I had a discussion about this with a list-member off line last
> week, and I offer up the following observations. Models of German A/C that
> I have seen on the internet usually show metal panels painted in a light
> grey colour, even when painting instructions for those kits call for light
> grey-green. I've done it myself!
>
> The question, of course, is how much green should appear in that paint? The
> photos that I took of the restored AEG at Rockliffe and posted on Allan's
> site show the extensive metal components of the cockpit painted in what can
> only be described as a light greyish-green. But that colour is much more
> greenish than grey, and really looks like a light pea green. The question
> begs to be asked: should all those grey metal panels we've been painting
> really be a light pea-green instead? It would sure change the appearance of
> all those early Albaross, Aviatik and LVG models we've been making.
>
> Just a thought on a Saturday morning.
>
> Kevin Barrett.


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Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 10:46:11 -0500
From: "Lee J Mensinger" <lemen@wireweb.net>
To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu, kevinkim@interlog.com,
Subject: Re: German Grey-Green
Message-ID: <3731B943.495DD5EA@wireweb.net>

I have posted to the Models and Images Gallery an interior photo of a Fokker
E-V replica.  The engine has not yet been mounted.  I believe you will agree
that the color is almost identical to the Luftwaffe RLM Grey from WW II.
(Maybe a bit more glossy.)

The paint used was supplied by the company that made the WW I paint for the
German Air Force during that period.

The lozenge fabric was also supplied by the same company that made the fabric
in WW I.

It is extremely close to RLM Grey.    Check on the photos. I can take more
pictures if needed.

I  am sorry for the long time between your message and my answer. I just ran
across the message, again,  this morning and it jogged my memory as to why I
had kept it.    Lee

Lee Mensinger
New Braunfels TX

kevinkim@interlog.com (Kevin & Kimberley)

Kevin & Kimberley wrote:

> To the list,
>
> At the risk of belabouring a point long since settled, the question of
> German Grey-Green paint as used on metal A/C surfaces has had me wondering
> recently. I had a discussion about this with a list-member off line last
> week, and I offer up the following observations. Models of German A/C that
> I have seen on the internet usually show metal panels painted in a light
> grey colour, even when painting instructions for those kits call for light
> grey-green. I've done it myself!
>
> The question, of course, is how much green should appear in that paint? The
> photos that I took of the restored AEG at Rockliffe and posted on Allan's
> site show the extensive metal components of the cockpit painted in what can
> only be described as a light greyish-green. But that colour is much more
> greenish than grey, and really looks like a light pea green. The question
> begs to be asked: should all those grey metal panels we've been painting
> really be a light pea-green instead? It would sure change the appearance of
> all those early Albaross, Aviatik and LVG models we've been making.
>
> Just a thought on a Saturday morning.
>
> Kevin Barrett.


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Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 09:38:27 -0700
From: "Dave & Kim" <dandk@mediaone.net>
To: <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Subject: Re: Udet's Dr.1
Message-ID: <000801be97de$de79a300$71068218@we.mediaone.net>


----- Original Message -----
From: d mather <dlmathe@hotmail.com>
To: Multiple recipients of list <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 1999 11:22 PM
Subject: Udet's Dr.1


> Having seen the Pic on Mr Pearson's profile pages, I was inspired to
> reproduce this plane. Does anyone have a view looking down onto the top of
> the wings and does the striping cover the bottom of the top wing?
> thanks,
> doug
>
Hi Doug,
        I'm just now getting back online from the virus that melted my hard
drive a week ago Monday. I've lost all my e-mail addresses in the process so
drop me a line off-list so I can put you back in my address book.
        The "Richtofen's Flying Circus" colors and markings special has a
photo of Udet's Dr. I that shows the striping on the under surface of the
top wing. It also has a black and white profile looking down onto the top of
the plane. I'm in the market for a scanner very soon and would be happy to
send you some scans as soon as I'm able.
Dave
> _______________________________________________________________
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Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 11:01:59 -0600 
From: "Satin, Michael N. (SHEP)" <Michael.Satin@shepards.com>
To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Subject: RE: Udet's Dr.1
Message-ID: <5DA4C4BE65D9D111A6FC0060081FD218016CB622@SNEFFELS>

Ooh, ooh, me too please?  Pretty please?  Thanks Dave!!

Michael Satin
Michael.Satin@shepards.com


<Hi Doug,
        I'm just now getting back online from the virus that melted my hard
drive a week ago Monday. I've lost all my e-mail addresses in the process so
drop me a line off-list so I can put you back in my address book.
        The "Richtofen's Flying Circus" colors and markings special has a
photo of Udet's Dr. I that shows the striping on the under surface of the
top wing. It also has a black and white profile looking down onto the top of
the plane. I'm in the market for a scanner very soon and would be happy to
send you some scans as soon as I'm able.
Dave>
> _______________________________________________________________
> Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com
>

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Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 14:36:45 -0300
From: "Diego Fernetti" <dfernet0@rosario.gov.ar>
To: <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Subject: RE: More Rogues
Message-ID: <000701be97e7$032134e0$4640a8c0@prens-001.ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar>

Please remind me to NEVER argue with Chris Banyai. Don't want to end dead at
noon in the middle of a dusty street.
D.
-----Mensaje original-----
De: Allan Wright <aew@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Para: Multiple recipients of list <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Fecha: Jueves 6 de Mayo de 1999 12:19 PM
Asunto: More Rogues


>3 more Rogues added to the gallery....
>
>Thanks for the pics guys!
>
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>


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Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 14:34:35 EDT
From: KarrArt@aol.com
To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu
Subject: Re: More Rogues
Message-ID: <f9263a9d.24633abb@aol.com>

In a message dated 5/6/99 10:40:02 AM Pacific Daylight Time, 
dfernet0@rosario.gov.ar writes:

<< Please remind me to NEVER argue with Chris Banyai. Don't want to end dead 
at
 noon in the middle of a dusty street.
 D. >>

 Yeah- I think I'll be a little more polite to him in my e-mails nowdays....
Robert K.

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Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 14:34:37 EDT
From: KarrArt@aol.com
To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu
Subject: Re: Another one met!
Message-ID: <952d5905.24633abd@aol.com>

In a message dated 5/5/99 11:14:14 PM Pacific Daylight Time, 
JohnGlaser@worldnet.att.net writes:

<< 
 Robert you are a mad albeit friendly genius!
 
 - John
 
 PS Cecilia makes great spaghetti too!
  >>

 I'll agree to the spaghetti part!
RK

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Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 12:52:23 -0600 
From: "Satin, Michael N. (SHEP)" <Michael.Satin@shepards.com>
To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Subject: RE: More Rogues
Message-ID: <5DA4C4BE65D9D111A6FC0060081FD218016CB624@SNEFFELS>

OK, so that's five of us with facial hair.  Is there a trend here? ;-I)>

Michael Satin

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Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 14:04:04 -0500
From: "Paul Schwartzkopf" <PSchwartzkopf@transcrypt.com>
To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu
Subject: Re: RE: More Rogues
Message-ID: <s731a163.057@transcrypt.com>

More hairy ones if I send mine in.  If I do, you guys are gonna think that Shane and I are brothers.  Are you sure there wasn't a Schwartzkopf in your ancestory, Shane? ;-)

Paul A. Schwartzkopf

>>> "Satin, Michael N. (SHEP)" <Michael.Satin@shepards.com> 05/06 1:54 PM >>>
OK, so that's five of us with facial hair.  Is there a trend here? ;-I)>

Michael Satin


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Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 15:04:04 EDT
From: KarrArt@aol.com
To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu
Subject: Re: More Rogues
Message-ID: <16c8548a.246341a4@aol.com>

In a message dated 5/6/99 11:56:08 AM Pacific Daylight Time, 
Michael.Satin@shepards.com writes:

<< OK, so that's five of us with facial hair.  Is there a trend here? ;-I)>
 
 Michael Satin
 
  >>


 We'll see....if I can dig out photo that would only scare the smallest 
children, I may add to the  facial growth list.
Robert K.

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Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 19:24:28 +0000
From: johnglaser@att.net
To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu
Subject: Re: More Rogues
Message-ID: <19990506192540.FRDY22194@webmail.worldnet.att.net>

Aw!  Go ahead and send 'em last night's mug shot.  This 
time include the numbers under our chins.

- JG
> In a message dated 5/6/99 11:56:08 AM Pacific Daylight Time, 
> Michael.Satin@shepards.com writes:
> 
> << OK, so that's five of us with facial hair.  Is there a trend here? ;-I)>
>  
>  Michael Satin
>  
>   >>
> 
> 
>  We'll see....if I can dig out photo that would only scare the smallest 
> children, I may add to the  facial growth list.
> Robert K.

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Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 22:07:26 +0200
From: "Tom Werner Hansen" <tomwerner.hansen@c2i.net>
To: <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Subject: Airfix RE.8
Message-ID: <199905062006.WAA15712@golf.dax.net>

Greetings all.

I've just started on what seems to become a major accuracy conversion.
Inside the fuselage it says Airfix 1956. This has got to be one of the
oldest plastic kits I'll ever try to put together.
Has anybody else tried to tackle this one (apart from Alberto Casirati who
kept the exhausts from the kit and scratchbuilt the rest)?
So far I have rebuilt the wings totally and made resin copies of the
heavily modified kit wings. 
The fuselage needed cutting shorter, so I cut away about 2,5 mm in the
middle of the cocpit, added some plasticard under the nose to improve the
nose contour, removed the surface detail including the stitching.

Anybody got any tips about this conversion that are useful?

I'm working from the Datafile drawings.

Tom W.




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Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 13:44:57 -0700
From: "Bob Pearson" <bpearson@kaien.com>
To: ww1 mailing list <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Subject: My profile page mailing list
Message-ID: <199905062053.NAA21460@mail.rapidnet.net>

Greetings all,

In my recent email crash I lost all the names of everyone who had requested
to be notified of updates to my profile page. l recall some of you, but not
all, so if your name was on it and you wish to still be notified of updates
please send me a message saying so. I am also in need of the avisoc coollist
address.


Regards,
       Bob Pearson

Visit my WW1 Aviation page
http://members.xoom.com/Sopwith_5F1

Managing Editor / Internet Modeler
www.internetmodeler.com

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Date: Fri, 7 May 1999 07:03:41 +1000 
From: Shane Weier <sdw@qld.mim.com.au>
To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Subject: RE: German Aircraft Designations
Message-ID: <A1654E835D0CD111B0730060B06865CDD082B9@mimhexch.mim.com.au>

Sandy notes:


> However much more important than all this is that we continue 
> to discuss all such things in the civilised tone of your 
> reply - for which I  thank you.

Happily, 99.9% of the time, this is the way of it around here. The only
thing really deserving of rudeness is a mention of the unmentionable

Shane
(and maybe a small exception for M.B. during scale wars ;-)

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Date: Fri, 7 May 1999 07:18:36 +1000 
From: Shane Weier <sdw@qld.mim.com.au>
To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Subject: RE: RE: More Rogues
Message-ID: <A1654E835D0CD111B0730060B06865CDD082BB@mimhexch.mim.com.au>

Paul,

> More hairy ones if I send mine in.  If I do, you guys are 
> gonna think that Shane and I are brothers.  Are you sure 
> there wasn't a Schwartzkopf in your ancestory, Shane? ;-)

Great grandfathers escaped from Prussia in time to avoid military service in
the Franco-Prussian unpleasantness. Grandfathers went back to shoot at their
relatives in *our* war. We are probably related at about the 20th generation
;-)

Shane

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Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 16:28:12 -0500
From: Matthew E Bittner <mbittner@juno.com>
To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu
Subject: Re: Another one bites the dust
Message-ID: <19990506.164824.-851331.0.mbittner@juno.com>

On Thu, 6 May 1999 09:25:05 -0400 (EDT) "Robert M. Farrar"
<rmf3@airmail.net> writes:

> A Merlin kit? no way!

Then never mention that 10thingie ever again! ;-)


Matt Bittner

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Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 16:37:45 -0500
From: Matthew E Bittner <mbittner@juno.com>
To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu
Subject: Re: More Rogues
Message-ID: <19990506.164824.-851331.1.mbittner@juno.com>

On Thu, 6 May 1999 14:54:44 -0400 (EDT) "Satin, Michael N. (SHEP)"
<Michael.Satin@shepards.com> writes:

> OK, so that's five of us with facial hair.  Is there a trend here? 
> ;-I)>

And what's that - unsure of what a razor looks like? ;-)


Matt Bittner

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Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 16:50:17 -0500
From: Matthew E Bittner <mbittner@juno.com>
To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu
Subject: Re: German Aircraft Designations
Message-ID: <19990506.165039.-851331.3.mbittner@juno.com>

On Thu, 6 May 1999 17:04:35 -0400 (EDT) Shane Weier <sdw@qld.mim.com.au>
writes:

> Shane
> (and maybe a small exception for M.B. during scale wars ;-)

<chuckle>  Who, me?  Naw, I never start these things!  It's the Dark Side
trying to pull me in.


Matt Bittner

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Date: Fri, 7 May 1999 07:53:52 +1000 
From: Shane Weier <sdw@qld.mim.com.au>
To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Subject: RE: More Rogues
Message-ID: <A1654E835D0CD111B0730060B06865CDD082BC@mimhexch.mim.com.au>

Matt mumbles

> <Michael.Satin@shepards.com> writes:
> 
> > OK, so that's five of us with facial hair.  Is there a trend here? 
> > ;-I)>
> 
> And what's that - unsure of what a razor looks like? ;-)
> 

Nah, it's just that at 1/72 *yours* is too small to see.

Shane
(hair, HAIR, I was talking about his haaiirrr....)

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Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 15:24:24 -0700
From: Mike Fletcher <mdf@mars.ark.com>
To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu
Subject: Re: German Aircraft Designations
Message-ID: <37321698.AB658037@mars.ark.com>

The French had a very similar system early in the war, and the Nieuport
11 was initially classed a type 'B'.
I imagine that the Germans discarded the E designation as it was
redundant. There was no longer any real need to differentiate between
monoplane single seaters and biplane single seaters as the performance
gap had been closed. 
On a related nore - were the A or B designations dropped from use?
-- 
Mike Fletcher            ___      .,
mdf@mars.ark.com        |-\|^----! ;
mikef@sparc.nic.bc.ca   |--n--""*"
icq=19554083              @

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