WWI Digest 1561 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Rogues Gallery by KarrArt@aol.com 2) Re: Back again also..... by KarrArt@aol.com 3) Re: Rogue's Gallery URL by KarrArt@aol.com 4) Re: Back again also.....(To Peter Crow} by "Dave & Kim" 5) Re: Another one bites the dust by Albatrosdv@aol.com 6) RFC No. 22 Squadron Questions by "ELBERT14" 7) Re: RFC No. 22 Squadron Questions by bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) 8) Blue Max Walfisch by Albatrosdv@aol.com 9) Re: Pup Controls by KarrArt@aol.com 10) List Calendar by "John Glaser" 11) Re: Pup Controls by "Bob Pearson" 12) Re: Blue Max Walfisch by KarrArt@aol.com 13) Re: Pup Controls by KarrArt@aol.com 14) Re: Rogues Gallery by KarrArt@aol.com 15) Re: Another one bites the dust by KarrArt@aol.com 16) Re: Blue Max Walfisch by Albatrosdv@aol.com 17) Re: Rogues Gallery by Albatrosdv@aol.com 18) Re: Pup Controls by "Bob Pearson" 19) Re: Another one bites the dust by Albatrosdv@aol.com 20) Re: Pup Controls by KarrArt@aol.com 21) RE: Blue Max Walfisch by "Diego Fernetti" 22) Re: RFC No. 22 Squadron Questions by "Sandy Adam" 23) Re: Blue Max Walfisch by Matthew E Bittner 24) Re: Blue Max Walfisch by "Sandy Adam" 25) Re: Blue Max Walfisch by Matthew E Bittner 26) Trimmable Tailplanes - was Pup Controls by "Sandy Adam" 27) Re: Blue Max Walfisch by "Sandy Adam" 28) RE: Blue Max Walfisch by "Diego Fernetti" 29) Re: Rogues Gallery by John & Allison Cyganowski 30) RE: Blue Max Walfisch by "Diego Fernetti" 31) Re: rogues gallery by bucky@ptdprolog.net 32) condolences by bucky@ptdprolog.net 33) Old Topic - German Losses by "Sandy Adam" 34) List Newbie, etc. by "Robert M. Farrar" 35) RE: List Newbie, etc. by "Diego Fernetti" 36) SAVED by "Bob Pearson" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 23:02:22 EDT From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Rogues Gallery Message-ID: <1b8930bd.24610ebe@aol.com> In a message dated 5/4/99 12:03:38 PM Pacific Daylight Time, PSchwartzkopf@transcrypt.com writes: << errrrr....this will take a little thought first. I seem to remember me saying something in jest about Bob having nice legs after he got his site up and running, and now he's "Legs" Pearson (sorry about that, Bob). I need to decide if I really want to be known as "Belly" Schwartzkopf. Paul A. Schwartzkopf >> I've spent a large part of the day looking for just the right picture so I don't end up being known as "Gut", "Gap Tooth", "Hunchback" or worse....... Robert K. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 23:02:21 EDT From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Back again also..... Message-ID: <81f0a27.24610ebd@aol.com> In a message dated 5/4/99 3:00:48 PM Pacific Daylight Time, eatcrow2@yahoo.com writes: << Good to be back amoungst the family.. don't realise how much you miss it untill its gone a few days.. Love the way everybody looks in their picture.. a winning idea, and I hope to see more.. Later... P. Crow... >> The List DOES get under one's skin. I know that if I miss a few days, I miss every body. Robert K. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 23:02:23 EDT From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Rogue's Gallery URL Message-ID: <6f966bbc.24610ebf@aol.com> In a message dated 5/4/99 12:03:05 PM Pacific Daylight Time, aew@pease1.sr.unh.edu writes: << Hi all, I guess I pooched the URL for the Rogues Gallery - here it is: http://pease1.sr.unh.edu/Images/Rogues/index.html 5 modelers and counting.... -Al >> Take another look at Lee M.'s pic. Notice anything about the "3"s on the fuselage of the TM? Robert K. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 20:18:30 -0700 From: "Dave & Kim" To: Subject: Re: Back again also.....(To Peter Crow} Message-ID: <003f01be96a5$f3572f20$71068218@dave-kim.we.mediaone.net> -----Original Message----- From: peter crow To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Tuesday, May 04, 1999 3:01 PM Subject: Back again also..... >P. Crow... who would love to get his hands on a >certain Taiwan virus making dude, and fix it so he >could hit all the high notes in any of the boys choirs >anywhere.. Me too Peter, the same virus cleaned me out on Monday also. I used it as an opportunity (excuse) to upgrade a bit. Unfortunatley I've lost alot of data including all my e-mail addresses. Drop me a line so I can get you back in my address book. I've tried calling you quite a bit to see if you needed any computer help, but the Baron was unreachable. Drop me a line soon dude, Princess Kimmy and I miss ya. Dave >_________________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 23:15:45 EDT From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Another one bites the dust Message-ID: <25725557.246111e1@aol.com> In a message dated 99-05-04 23:09:33 EDT, you write: << << Sometimes, I just feel like crying. Was trying to attach the top wing to the Dutch Strutter...slips out of my hand....smashes into too many piece. Much wailing and gnashing of teeth. Oh well, maybe I can keep the Hanriot in one piece. Yours in pain, Mike Muth >> >> I can actually think of worse: you finish the Aeroclub RE.8, fully rigged, and your butterfingered brother comes over, picks it up to look at it. You say, quietly, "Please, put it down." He looks over, "Huh?" And drops it. (And lives to tell the story.) After about a week, I realized it was repairable, and did so. It was never as nice as it would have been, but those who don't know think it looks pretty good. Tom Cleaver ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 23:44:42 -0400 From: "ELBERT14" To: Subject: RFC No. 22 Squadron Questions Message-ID: <199905050346.XAA207960@vm4-ext.prodigy.net> I asked for some info a while back on the 1/48 scale Bristol F2b kits, got a lot of good advice back and bought the Aeroclub kit. It looks like a nice kit. Now I'm gonna ask for some more information and give people a chance to show off their knowledge. I have the Wind-Sock Datafile for the Brisfit and was thinking of finishing it in RFC No. 22 squadron markings like the one on the back of the datafile (A-7163). Does anyone know anything about No. 22 squadron? All I know is that it was based in France and Captain A.C. Atkey who had 35 victories was in it. Any other information or sources would be appreciated. Thanks in advance! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 21:13:58 -0700 (PDT) From: bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: RFC No. 22 Squadron Questions Message-ID: <199905050413.VAA13350@compass.OregonVOS.net> -snips- >I have the Wind-Sock Datafile for the Brisfit and was thinking of finishing >it in RFC No. 22 squadron markings like the one on the back of the datafile >(A-7163). Does anyone know anything about No. 22 squadron? All I know is >that it was based in France and Captain A.C. Atkey who had 35 victories was >in it. Any other information or sources would be appreciated. Thanks in >advance! There is a brief "potted" history of 22 sqdn in "Above the Trenches" by Christopher Shores, et al. Atkey, incidently, is credited with 38 overall but only 29 with 22 Sqdn. His first nine credited victories were with 18 Sqdn as a -bomber- pilot flying DH-4s. No. 22 Sqdn was, apparently, the top scoring F2B squadron with nearly 390 credited aerial victories. Cheers and all, -- Bill Shatzer - bshatzer@orednet.org "You don't need a weather man to know which way the wind blows." -Bob Dylan- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 00:09:28 EDT From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Blue Max Walfisch Message-ID: IM got our review kit of this eagerly-awaited model yesterday, and got around to looking closely at it today (after ooh-ing and aah-ing yesterday), and.... The infamous wing ripple is there *on both sides* of all four wings. Only solution is to sand it down. Fortunately, this time you're not looking at taking off rib tape detail of the F.2b quality, but still... Guess this is the time to try out RK's rib-tape making plan for once. Blue Max reminds me of the Olympic Class runner that comes out of the blocks with his shoelaces firmly tied together...crossways. Bet Eduard doesn't do that with theirs this fall. Tom Cleaver ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 00:26:45 EDT From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Pup Controls Message-ID: In a message dated 5/4/99 6:45:45 PM Pacific Daylight Time, dave@vga-graphics.com writes: << I was amputating the extreme rear end of my Pup fuselage tonight in preparation of adding the rudder post assembly, and while poring over one of my reference photos noticed a control cable which I'd never picked up on running forward from bottom of the post area... Did the Pup have a steerable tailskid, and if so where did the control cables exit the fuselage? I can't tell in any of my pictures. TIA DV >> A quick look through my Puppery shows no external skid steering cables. Hmmm.... I wonder what you're seeing. This will drive me nuts! Robert K. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 23:34:37 -0500 From: "John Glaser" To: "WW1 Mail List" Subject: List Calendar Message-ID: Who asked about this today? Contact me off-list and I'll zip 'em down and ship'em to ya! - JG ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 21:57:05 -0700 From: "Bob Pearson" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Pup Controls Message-ID: <199905050505.WAA27674@mail.rapidnet.net> Dave, The Pup/Triplane does have a steerable tailskid. .. sadly the Datafile drawings of the Pup miss it but it can be seen in photos in the Pup Special on page 34 and triplane Datafile on page 29. The drawings of the Triplane show the exit locations for these wires in the bottom view. C&C(GB)19/1 features the Pup and includes drawings by Mick Davis and these show the control run for the tailskid better than in the Datafile. The last 18" or so of the bottom of the Pup fuselage is uncovered and the wires exit at the edge of the covering a few inches inboard. On teh triplane the steering fitting ois lower down on teh tailskid and the control woires exit the fuselage further forward of this open section. I'll send along a scan of it when I send the other one later tonight. Bob ><< I was amputating the extreme rear end of my Pup fuselage tonight in > preparation of adding the rudder post assembly, and while poring over one of > my reference photos noticed a control cable which I'd never picked up on > running forward from bottom of the post area... > > Did the Pup have a steerable tailskid, and if so where did the control > cables exit the fuselage? I can't tell in any of my pictures. > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 02:12:00 EDT From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Blue Max Walfisch Message-ID: In a message dated 5/4/99 9:19:10 PM Pacific Daylight Time, Albatrosdv@aol.com writes: << The infamous wing ripple is there *on both sides* of all four wings. Only solution is to sand it down. Fortunately, this time you're not looking at taking off rib tape detail of the F.2b quality, but still... Guess this is the time to try out RK's rib-tape making plan for once. Blue Max reminds me of the Olympic Class runner that comes out of the blocks with his shoelaces firmly tied together...crossways. Bet Eduard doesn't do that with theirs this fall. Tom Cleaver >> Aside from the wing ridge, hows the thickness? Walfisch wings were rather notoriously thin sectioned. Robert K. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 02:12:11 EDT From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Pup Controls Message-ID: In a message dated 5/4/99 10:01:06 PM Pacific Daylight Time, bpearson@kaien.com writes: << The Pup/Triplane does have a steerable tailskid. .. >> Hmmm... I've looked through some more stuff and it looks like not all had this. And this kicked in a bit of memory from building my Pup. Now it's coming back to me. When building mine, I wanted to know if it should have the trimable tail plane. After scrounging through the usual stacks of WW I Aero and other usual stuff, l- some had this feature and some didn't, and there seems to be a correlation between steerable skids and trimable tailplanes. No trim- no steering. If the little chain driven post for the tail trim shows up, chances are the skid steers. A shot of N5186 clearly shows trimming and steering, and I'm looking for the perfect shot that shows the other way.I don't think I came across a text reference to any of this. Robert K. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 02:12:05 EDT From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Rogues Gallery Message-ID: <5b91bc64.24613b35@aol.com> In a message dated 5/4/99 11:49:52 AM Pacific Daylight Time, bpearson@kaien.com writes: << there's an idea . . . . let's start raiding our albums for embarassing photos of other list members .. er uh wait. . now Brad, lets not be hasty ....put that photo back. Bob >> I got these shots of Tom C..........also Cyg................and Tom W/H..........who'll open the bidding? Robert K. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 02:12:02 EDT From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Another one bites the dust Message-ID: <1261e9de.24613b32@aol.com> In a message dated 5/4/99 8:29:21 PM Pacific Daylight Time, Albatrosdv@AOL.COM writes: << "Please, put it down." He looks over, "Huh?" And drops it. (And lives to tell the story.) After about a week, I realized it was repairable, and did so. It was never as nice as it would have been, but those who don't know think it looks pretty good. Tom Cleaver >> I've still got a few models that bit it in the Whittier earthquake in '87. I keep thinking I'll get around to fixing them, but whenever I look into the bag containing their remains, I weep and put the back back up on the shelf. Robert K. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 02:32:55 EDT From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Blue Max Walfisch Message-ID: In a message dated 99-05-05 02:14:06 EDT, you write: << Aside from the wing ridge, hows the thickness? Walfisch wings were rather notoriously thin sectioned. >> It's very thin, and will be thinner when I sand down the trailing edge. Fuselage is quie thin, also. Tom Cleaver ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 02:34:33 EDT From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Rogues Gallery Message-ID: <6c1fbe9e.24614079@aol.com> In a message dated 99-05-05 02:14:16 EDT, you write: << I got these shots of Tom C >> I am trying to decide between the pic of me in the back seat of an F-4E getting ready for the ride of a lifetime, or standing in front of what would be my favored ride, were I making the bucks Hollywierd screenwriters are rumored to (a Staggerwing). Tom C ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 23:29:11 -0700 From: "Bob Pearson" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Pup Controls Message-ID: <199905050642.XAA30132@mail.rapidnet.net> RK writes. . > Hmmm... I've looked through some more stuff and it looks like not all had >this. And this kicked in a bit of memory from building my Pup. Now it's >coming back to me. When building mine, I wanted to know if it should have the >trimable tail plane. After scrounging through the usual stacks of WW I Aero >and other usual stuff, l- some had this feature and some didn't, and there >seems to be a correlation between steerable skids and trimable tailplanes. No >trim- no steering. If the little chain driven post for the tail trim shows >up, chances are the skid steers. A shot of N5186 clearly shows trimming and >steering, and I'm looking for the perfect shot that shows the other way.I >don't think I came across a text reference to any of this. > Robert K. Looking closely at teh photos there seems to be two versions of controls for the tailskid. . one, which is quite visible, is as on the triplane and is a few inches down the exposed tailskid. the other is just below the fuselage - perhaps a 1/2" or so - and cisn't visible in most photos, bt teh detail shot in the Pup special shows it Bob ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 02:38:52 EDT From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Another one bites the dust Message-ID: <5fd2f0b5.2461417c@aol.com> In a message dated 99-05-05 02:16:32 EDT, you write: << I've still got a few models that bit it in the Whittier earthquake in '87. I keep thinking I'll get around to fixing them, but whenever I look into the bag containing their remains, I weep and put the back back up on the shelf. >> Be thankful you weren't my friend in Northridge in '94, whose nice big glass case did not have wire around it, and was set right with the lines of motion so as to topple forwards. 20 years of modeling crushed in 10 seconds. I of course, was lucky enough to live in the cheap end of town, where my model shelves were aligned the long way with the lines of thrust, so nothing toppled and only 2 of 200 went flying, and they were repairable. Wish I could be that lucky on a few other points! Of course, now I have wire around the upper reaches of the shelves to prevent toppling, and a little bit of "earthquake putty" on the wheels of each model, to prevent unscheduled flights. Tom C ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 02:44:12 EDT From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Pup Controls Message-ID: <985663c8.246142bc@aol.com> In a message dated 5/4/99 11:38:08 PM Pacific Daylight Time, bpearson@kaien.com writes: << Looking closely at teh photos there seems to be two versions of controls for the tailskid. . one, which is quite visible, is as on the triplane and is a few inches down the exposed tailskid. the other is just below the fuselage - perhaps a 1/2" or so - and cisn't visible in most photos, bt teh detail shot in the Pup special shows it Bob >> Ah! Robert K. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 07:24:46 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: Subject: RE: Blue Max Walfisch Message-ID: <009b01be96e1$7fd18c80$4640a8c0@prens-001.ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Hi Tom Tell me, tell me, tell me, Does this kit have a decent interior detailing? Floorboards, structure, radio equipment, inst. panel, etc.? If so, I'm seriously considering jump from the 1/72 to the 1/48 (sorry Matt). This kit and the reviews of IM about the Eduard Alb DIII weakens my convictions... D. And about rogues gallery, I'm looking for the right picture too. One where you can barely see the cross stitching around my face. -----Mensaje original----- De: Albatrosdv@aol.com Para: Multiple recipients of list Fecha: Miércoles 5 de Mayo de 1999 3:46 AM Asunto: Re: Blue Max Walfisch >In a message dated 99-05-05 02:14:06 EDT, you write: > ><< Aside from the wing ridge, hows the thickness? Walfisch wings were rather > notoriously thin sectioned. >> >It's very thin, and will be thinner when I sand down the trailing edge. >Fuselage is quie thin, also. > >Tom Cleaver > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 11:27:07 +0100 From: "Sandy Adam" To: Subject: Re: RFC No. 22 Squadron Questions Message-ID: <00c001be96e1$f1683920$38e8b094@sandyada> >There is a brief "potted" history of 22 sqdn in "Above the Trenches" "Above the War Fronts" is even more revealing - the 2-seat Observer Ace section is well populated with members of 22 Sqdn. 22Sqdn was formed at Gosport on 1 September 1915 as an offshoot of 13 Sqdn, RFC and used a variety of aircraft for work-up training prior to receipt of its first operational machines in Feb 1916. These were FE2bs, 12 of which flew to France on 1 April to join 14 Wing for recce duties. The sturdy FE served the squadron well but was soon obselescent, and it was with relief that the first F2Bs were received in July 1917. The Sqdn moved into Germany with the Army of Occupation in May 1919 but was reduced to cadre at the end of August and disbanded at the end of the year. Motto - preux et audacieux - Valiant and Brave. - Encyclopaedia of Mopdern RAF Sqdns - Chris Ashworth Numerous references to 22Sqdn in "The War in the Air" by Raleigh & Jones including a long section on the infamous incident when two 22 Sqdn FEs were shot down on 25 April 1917 after dropping leaflets encouraging German soldiers to give up the fight. The Germans tried the POWs under a court martial with th prosecution asking for 10 years hard labour. UK threatened reprisals and the case was eventually thrown out by the German authorities. "RAF Sqdns" by Wing Co CG Jefford, gives the first Brsifits on service on July 17 1917, with the Sqdn fully equipped by Aug 19 while at Izel-le-Hameau. It lists every airfield with dates to and from - if you need any particular location, let me know. HTH Sandy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 05:33:33 -0500 From: Matthew E Bittner To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Blue Max Walfisch Message-ID: <19990505.053619.-851887.1.mbittner@juno.com> On Wed, 5 May 1999 00:17:52 -0400 (EDT) Albatrosdv@aol.com writes: > The infamous wing ripple is there *on both sides* of all four wings. > Only > solution is to sand it down. Fortunately, this time you're not > looking at > taking off rib tape detail of the F.2b quality, but still... Bummer. My only question is has anybody contacted Gannon and told him about this? Maybe - just maybe - he doesn't know about it. I wonder why it happens to BM and not Pegasus? What is he doing different to the 1/48th molds he's not doing to the 1/72nd? Hmmm... Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 11:33:03 +0100 From: "Sandy Adam" To: Subject: Re: Blue Max Walfisch Message-ID: <00ca01be96e2$a9976840$38e8b094@sandyada> >Hi Tom >Tell me, tell me, tell me, Does this kit have a decent interior detailing? Yes - lots of white metal formers and details. One of the best BMs - pity about the ripple though! Sandy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 05:38:15 -0500 From: Matthew E Bittner To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Blue Max Walfisch Message-ID: <19990505.053827.-851887.2.mbittner@juno.com> On Wed, 5 May 1999 06:24:34 -0400 (EDT) "Diego Fernetti" writes: > Tell me, tell me, tell me, Does this kit have a decent interior > detailing? > Floorboards, structure, radio equipment, inst. panel, etc.? > If so, I'm seriously considering jump from the 1/72 to the 1/48 > (sorry > Matt). This kit and the reviews of IM about the Eduard Alb DIII > weakens my > convictions... Goodness. What I'm waiting for is Eduard to pull a Tamiya, and bring out everything they did in 1/48th and bring it out in 1/72nd. Then you'll be sorry. ;-) Don't forget, Flashback/Eduard has announced an Albatros D.V and Fokker Dr.I... :-) Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 11:43:15 +0100 From: "Sandy Adam" To: Subject: Trimmable Tailplanes - was Pup Controls Message-ID: <00d701be96e4$1629ca60$38e8b094@sandyada> >>................... When building mine, I wanted to know if it should have the >>trimable tail plane. For those who can remember a year or two back, we had a stubborn rear-guard action by some correspondents who refused to accept that the tailplanes of several WWI British machines could be trimmed in flight, in spite of all the photographic evidence of trim-wheels at the pilot's seat. One wit, stolidly proposed that this existed only so it could be trimmed on the ground! On re-reading Norman MacMillan's "Into the Blue" recently I came across several passages where he describes how the trim was actually operated in flight. In one section he tells how (in a Strutter) he turns the tailplane right down to effect maximum speed on the return dive back across the lines under pursuit. FWIW Sandy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 11:54:24 +0100 From: "Sandy Adam" To: Subject: Re: Blue Max Walfisch Message-ID: <00e201be96e5$a4d12640$38e8b094@sandyada> >> The infamous wing ripple is there *on both sides* of all four wings. >I wonder why it happens to BM and not Pegasus? What is he doing >different to the 1/48th molds he's not doing to the 1/72nd? Hmmm... I mentioned this to John Adams of Aeroclub (last weekend at the Scottish Nats) who smiled knowingly and said that he knew the problem and it took him a while to sort it out. He said the timing was critical and you had to take a bit more time to do it right. The implication was that BM don't! John said he thought in all honesty that his F2b is better and I certainly agree. I should think the cheesy plastic that CG uses can't help, but he insists that he is constantly praised for it (and it costs him more!) I met Geoff Stanley again last weekend too (he won class with a beautiful Eduard Voss Albatros - grrrr, beat my BM Camel! - no seriously, the Alb (and Hawa and Pfalz) was fabulous ) and he said he really liked the BM plastic !!!! Sandy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 08:00:25 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: Subject: RE: Blue Max Walfisch Message-ID: <01e101be96e6$7acdba60$4640a8c0@prens-001.ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> As someone said: So many kits.. so little time, so little free shelf space, so little money to buy everything! D. -----Mensaje original----- De: Matthew E Bittner >Goodness. What I'm waiting for is Eduard to pull a Tamiya, and bring out >everything they did in 1/48th and bring it out in 1/72nd. Then you'll be >sorry. ;-) > >Don't forget, Flashback/Eduard has announced an Albatros D.V and Fokker >Dr.I... :-) > > >Matt Bittner > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 May 1999 06:43:17 -0400 From: John & Allison Cyganowski To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Rogues Gallery Message-ID: <373020C5.7F6B@worldnet.att.net> KarrArt@aol.com wrote: > > I got these shots of Tom C..........also Cyg................and Tom > W/H..........who'll open the bidding? > Robert K. Ahem! Sell that beauty and you better start watching for TP rolls yourself. Remember, I know where you live! Cyg. ;-) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 08:04:47 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: Subject: RE: Blue Max Walfisch Message-ID: <01e801be96e7$16cd07e0$4640a8c0@prens-001.ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> -----Mensaje original----- De: Sandy Adam >Yes - lots of white metal formers and details. One of the best BMs - pity >about the ripple though! >Sandy > After Shane Weier's article on how to make wings from scratch I dare to make a whole new set. It must be easier than trying to make ALL the interior detail in 1/72 and just for God (I'm not saying that He doesn't deserves it). D. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 May 1999 07:40:48 -0400 From: bucky@ptdprolog.net To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: rogues gallery Message-ID: <37302E40.554A5640@ptdprolog.net> Well, if you could convince Bill Bacon to send his "mad lads" photo from Phoenix, you can get at least 3 of us in one photo: Bill B, Bill Cicora(sp?) and me. Mike Muth ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 May 1999 07:42:28 -0400 From: bucky@ptdprolog.net To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: condolences Message-ID: <37302EA4.BC9DD761@ptdprolog.net> Thanks to all who commented over the fate of the Dutch Strutter. I may well pick it up again after a loooong break working on other things. Back to the Hanriot. Mike Muth ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 12:52:34 +0100 From: "Sandy Adam" To: Subject: Old Topic - German Losses Message-ID: <00f401be96ed$e5e72960$38e8b094@sandyada> Whilst on the theme of old subjects (trimmable tailplanes etc) it might be worth sharing something I have just come across in "The German Air Force in the Great War" by Major GP Neumann. This book is the nearest equivalent to an official history, like "The War in the Air", but from a German perspective that I have found, and gathered official records and the collected wisdom of 29 surviving German Air Force and Navy officers and officials in the 1920's. In one section Blue Max winner, von Pechmann describes being attacked by two Sopwith Camels which holed his water tank and caused the engine to seize. The pilot just manages to put the plane down between shell holes. vP ends his piece as follows: "Two days later my LVG, with a new engine, was flying arrogantly again over the ruins on Montauban" - Part II - Chapter II - "Types and their Application" This indicates one of the benefits of flying largely over your own territory and being able to reclaim, repair and re-use shot-down aircraft. With the allies blockade affecting raw materials increasingly as the war continued any usable salvage would be doubly valuable. I have no doubt vP's LVG would not appear on the LSK's daily loss account - but was a legitimate RFC victory. So whenever anybody says that an allied claim is in doubt because there is no entry of a loss in the meticulous German day account, this really doesn't tell us anything at all. The Loss records are definitive where a loss is recorded - but lack of a loss record is meaningless. FWIW Sandy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 06:53:04 -0500 From: "Robert M. Farrar" To: "ww1" Subject: List Newbie, etc. Message-ID: <003901be96ed$f51719e0$3d3288cf@rmf> Dear listvolk, I had no clue that WW1 was so well supported. I have built, collected, etc. for years but decided that since more and better is now availiable, the early stuff is for me. Thanks for the list, Bob Farrar ps Real airplanes have at least 1 radial (ok ok inline and vee too) engine and drag their butts:-) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 09:01:44 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: Subject: RE: List Newbie, etc. Message-ID: <000c01be96ef$0c08b540$4640a8c0@prens-001.ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> welcome to the list, Bob. D. -----Mensaje original----- De: Robert M. Farrar Para: Multiple recipients of list Fecha: Miércoles 5 de Mayo de 1999 9:05 AM Asunto: List Newbie, etc. >Dear listvolk, >I had no clue that WW1 was so well supported. I have built, collected, etc. >for years but >decided that since more and better is now availiable, the early stuff is for >me. >Thanks for the list, >Bob Farrar >ps >Real airplanes have at least 1 radial (ok ok inline and vee too) engine and >drag their butts:-) > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 May 1999 05:23:24 -0700 From: "Bob Pearson" To: ww1 mailing list Subject: SAVED Message-ID: <199905051231.FAA00985@mail.rapidnet.net> Greetings all, Well it is with a much better mood I write this message. . I have been able to recover almost all of the previous two years of email messages.... Anyone else suffering a crash in IMN and having to install Outlook may wish to try placing any backed up email messages directly in the Outlook 'Internet Mail' file Outlook will not import IMN, but this seemed to do the trick. Note that this was from an earlier backed up copy. . I still am unable to access the 120+MB of messages lost on my HD. Bob ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 1561 **********************