WWI Digest 1552 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Control Horns by Matthew E Bittner 2) Re: Control Horns by Bob Pearson 3) RE: Control Horns by "Diego Fernetti" 4) RE: Albatros D.III Colors by "Diego Fernetti" 5) RE: Control Horns by "Diego Fernetti" 6) RE: Albatros D.III Colors + the Dragodile revisted by Bob Pearson 7) RE: Control Horns by Bob Pearson 8) Re: Control Horns by Suvoroff@aol.com 9) Re: Control Horns by Matthew E Bittner 10) RE: Control Horns by "Diego Fernetti" 11) Re: Albatros D.III Colors by "cameron rile" 12) Re: White/Elemers glue (was: What's on your work bench?) by Ernest Thomas 13) Re: Control Horns by Ernest Thomas 14) Re: Control Horns by "Sandy Adam" 15) Eduard Hanriot ProfiPack by "Charles and Linda Duckworth" 16) Re: White/Elemers glue (was: What's on your work bench?) by John & Allison Cyganowski 17) Re: Control Horns by John & Allison Cyganowski 18) Re: Control Horns by "Sandy Adam" 19) Re: wood grain redux by "Mark Shanks" 20) moths by "Diego Fernetti" 21) Re: Warneford's Morane Parasol 3253 by Dave Wadman 22) Re: White/Elemers glue (was: What's on your work bench?) by "Bill Neill" 23) Re: penlight people/ by "Bill Neill" 24) Re: penlight people/ by Albatrosdv@aol.com 25) meltdown by peter crow 26) Re: meltdown by "Mark Shanks" 27) Re: White/Elemers glue (was: What's on your work bench?) by "Sandy Adam" 28) Re: White/Elemers glue (was: What's on your work bench?) by Albatrosdv@aol.com 29) RE: Control Horns by "John Glaser" 30) Re: meltdown by Zulis@aol.com 31) RE: White/Elemers glue (was: What's on your work bench?) by Shane Weier 32) RE: Albatros D.III Colors by Shane Weier 33) Re: Control Horns by Matthew E Bittner 34) Re: White/Elemers glue (was: What's on your work bench?) by Tom Solinski 35) For Allan is a jolly good fellow by Pedro e Francisca Soares 36) Re: For Allan is a jolly good fellow by "Steven M. Perry" 37) Re: Albatros D.III Colors by Albatrosdv@aol.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 05:12:07 -0500 From: Matthew E Bittner To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Control Horns Message-ID: <19990428.051523.-851483.2.mbittner@juno.com> On Tue, 27 Apr 1999 21:38:21 -0400 (EDT) "Steven M. Perry" writes: > I would pay good money for a whole frett of brass horns in each of > main > scales. As I said earlier, the Tom's Modelworks photoetch sets - for each "country" - comes with control horns. I used some from the French set on the MoS Type I. Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 03:25:08 -0700 From: Bob Pearson To: WW1 Mailing list Subject: Re: Control Horns Message-ID: <199904281025.DAA27276@mail.rapidnet.net> > As I said earlier, the Tom's Modelworks photoetch sets - for each > "country" - comes with control horns. I used some from the French set on > the MoS Type I. > Well great .. I just asked him to do a full fret of them :-) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 07:22:54 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: Subject: RE: Control Horns Message-ID: <008e01be9161$1423d360$4640a8c0@prens-001.ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> -----Mensaje original----- De: Matthew E Bittner >As I said earlier, the Tom's Modelworks photoetch sets - for each >"country" - comes with control horns. I used some from the French set on >the MoS Type I. > > >Matt Bittner > Very useful, indeed. I used some of the german bits on my 1/72 Albatri, but I'd loved the PE fret if it would carry the "bell" horns for the wings. But there's no such a thing like a perfect day, ain't it? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 07:28:06 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: Subject: RE: Albatros D.III Colors Message-ID: <009b01be9161$cdf6a060$4640a8c0@prens-001.ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> -----Mensaje original----- De: Bob Pearson >However in >more recent years it has been discovered that the early Albatros D.IIIs were >in fact in Brunswick Green, Olive Green, and Venetian Red (red-brown). >Rimell himself has published this in Greg VanWyngarden's Flying Circus >Special. > Bob Pearson > Hi Bob Do you mean "Von Richthofen's Flying Circus"? What a coincidence! I bought it yesterday from Rollmodels. Is it worth the $29 + shipping or their contents are updated again? (I had blind confidence in the "Albatros fighters special" until this thread). D. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 07:30:04 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: Subject: RE: Control Horns Message-ID: <00a001be9162$14509340$4640a8c0@prens-001.ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Gott mit uns! for the not-english-speakers around, what the Me1... is a wench?????? D. -----Mensaje original----- De: Matthew E Bittner Para: Multiple recipients of list Fecha: Miércoles 28 de Abril de 1999 7:34 AM Asunto: Re: Control Horns >On Tue, 27 Apr 1999 22:20:09 -0400 (EDT) Ernest Thomas > writes: > >> What the hell is a combination wench anyway? > >One that goes both ways? ;-) > > >Matt Bittner > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 03:45:11 -0700 From: Bob Pearson To: WW1 Mailing list Subject: RE: Albatros D.III Colors + the Dragodile revisted Message-ID: <199904281045.DAA27421@mail.rapidnet.net> Diego writes . . > Hi Bob > Do you mean "Von Richthofen's Flying Circus"? What a coincidence! I bought > it yesterday from Rollmodels. Is it worth the $29 + shipping or their > contents are updated again? (I had blind confidence in the "Albatros > fighters special" until this thread). > D. That's the one. . It is the best reference for their aircraft. GVW had done a series of articles on JG.1 for Aerodrome Modeler in the late 1970s and this is the continuation of that work. As with all Albatros products it is pricey, but well worth having once it arrives. Speaking of updated. . can someone please tell me if/how Rimell's new painting of Albatros C.III 766/16 in the updated C.III datafile differs from mine on the rear cover of OTF 12/2 .. I still haven't seen his take on it. Bob ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 03:47:00 -0700 From: Bob Pearson To: WW1 Mailing list Subject: RE: Control Horns Message-ID: <199904281047.DAA27451@mail.rapidnet.net> > >> What the hell is a combination wench anyway? > > Gott mit uns! for the not-english-speakers around, what the Me1... is a > wench?????? You need mittens to answer that one . . . . Bob ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 06:40:58 EDT From: Suvoroff@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Control Horns Message-ID: <47dcf7e4.24583fba@aol.com> "for the not-english-speakers around, what the Me1... is a wench??????" wench [< OE. wencel, child] 1. a young woman: derogatory term 2. [Archaic] a female servant. Yours, James D. Gray ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 05:50:10 -0500 From: Matthew E Bittner To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Control Horns Message-ID: <19990428.055103.-846779.0.mbittner@juno.com> On Wed, 28 Apr 1999 06:18:56 -0400 (EDT) Bob Pearson writes: > Well great .. I just asked him to do a full fret of them :-) Which is still good. ;-) Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 07:57:03 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: Subject: RE: Control Horns Message-ID: <000f01be9165$d988d3e0$4640a8c0@prens-001.ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Oooooooh! Ahhhhhhhhhhhh! Duh! HA ha ha he he... (I'm re-reading the old messages) D. -----Mensaje original----- De: Suvoroff@aol.com Para: Multiple recipients of list Fecha: Miércoles 28 de Abril de 1999 7:57 AM Asunto: Re: Control Horns >"for the not-english-speakers around, what the Me1... is a wench??????" > >wench [< OE. wencel, child] 1. a young woman: derogatory term 2. [Archaic] a >female servant. > >Yours, >James D. Gray > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 07:09:22 -0300 From: "cameron rile" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Albatros D.III Colors Message-ID: <199904280411113@cameron.prontomail.com> >nb: This is my self-imposed deadline night for the Toko Nie.11 >Slam Dunk completion. Fortunately, the Ottawa/Buffalo game is >on too, so the model bench is moving to the TV room. Gut-check >time for Ottawa. Looks like you have plenty of time for modelling now :( I have been indulging in the play offs and watching TV far past midnight by flicking between three games and watching them simultaneously. Fantastic sport ice hockey, wish Au had more ice so I would have been exposed to it earlier. Back to WWI : I got some newspaper articles from 1916 from a local Sydney paper, The Windsor and Richmond Gazette, which had articles on the NSW School of Aviation at Richmond. Put them up at : http://members.xoom.com/_XOOM/PointCook/afc_ar18.htm http://members.xoom.com/_XOOM/PointCook/afc_ar15.htm Has some interesting information on the requirements for applicants and the like. Sorry to those seeing this as a cross posting. cam AFC page at : http://members.xoom.com/PointCook/index.htm RB2 page at : http://members.xoom.com/artattack/index.htm ______________________________________________________________ Get Your Free E-mail and Homepage at http://www.prontomail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 06:17:53 -0500 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: White/Elemers glue (was: What's on your work bench?) Message-ID: <3726EE61.66C0@bellsouth.net> KarrArt@aol.com wrote: > Yeah, and the crawl was uphill both ways! We didn't have x-acto knives- we > had to rip the parts from the sprue with our naked teeth. > Robert K. And the only plastic kit in existance was the Aroura Me-109. E. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 06:20:28 -0500 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Control Horns Message-ID: <3726EEFC.4B4@bellsouth.net> Matthew E Bittner wrote: > > On Tue, 27 Apr 1999 22:20:09 -0400 (EDT) Ernest Thomas > writes: > > > What the hell is a combination wench anyway? > > One that goes both ways? ;-) > My favorite kind. :) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 12:52:44 +0100 From: "Sandy Adam" To: Subject: Re: Control Horns Message-ID: <199904281151.MAA14223@beryl.sol.co.uk> > > As I said earlier, the Tom's Modelworks photoetch sets - for each > > "country" - comes with control horns. I used some from the French set on > > the MoS Type I. > Well great .. I just asked him to do a full fret of them :-) Good man Bob - Matt's missed the point - I got the Tom's sets a coupla years back on his recommendation and they are good and well worth the money. But.... What I want is a fret full of all different shapes and sizes of horns that I can pick up, select the ones I want and keep the rest for the next project. ReHeat do a great series on instrument, bezels, dials, buckles etc. As soon as I see one on control horns, I'll buy it. Similarly I'd buy a fret full of rudder pedals, another of control grips.... Sandy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 07:01:12 -0500 From: "Charles and Linda Duckworth" To: Subject: Eduard Hanriot ProfiPack Message-ID: <008601be916e$d3513fe0$a05ddfd1@q1p5x0> >> If some of us have a sheet detailing the Italian version in the Profi Pack >> kits then Eduard has unfortunately omitted this from some of the kits. I emailed Eduard (info@eduard.cz) and told them I was missing the above sheet - it arrived yesterday in the mail. Not as fast as scanning but it worked. Charlie ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 08:23:23 -0400 From: John & Allison Cyganowski To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: White/Elemers glue (was: What's on your work bench?) Message-ID: <3726FDBB.45EE@worldnet.att.net> KarrArt@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 4/27/99 4:51:59 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > ethomas6@bellsouth.net writes: > > << KarrArt@aol.com wrote: > > > I've been doin' this since you were draining your radiator into a diaper! > > Yeah, I know. And you used to have to crawl 12 miles over barbed wire to > get to the hobby shop and if you wanted 425/17 red, you had to tap an > artery. :) > E. >> > > Yeah, and the crawl was uphill both ways! We didn't have x-acto knives- we > had to rip the parts from the sprue with our naked teeth. > Robert K. Ha! No wonder so many of the group have sharp tongues! Cyg (who is only a little sorry for that.) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 08:25:00 -0400 From: John & Allison Cyganowski To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Control Horns Message-ID: <3726FE1C.641D@worldnet.att.net> Sandy Adam wrote: > > > I would pay good money for a whole frett of brass horns in each of main > > scales. > > Amen brother! > We discussed this a year or two back but nobody has bitten - does anybody > know the movers & shakers at Tom's, CSM , Eduard and the like to suggest > it? > Sandy Seems to me Fred Hultberg at Fotocut makes these. Cyg. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 14:24:57 +0100 From: "Sandy Adam" To: Subject: Re: Control Horns Message-ID: <199904281323.OAA17578@beryl.sol.co.uk> > Seems to me Fred Hultberg at Fotocut makes these. > Cyg. Hi Cyg I looked at all the Fotocut stuff when I last got some things from Rosemont, but didn't see any control horns - maybe Barry doesn't keep them though? Sandy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 07:59:36 -0700 From: "Mark Shanks" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: wood grain redux Message-ID: <199904281459.HAA16067@elvis.fltdyn.com> John Huggins writes: > You can try the local cigar shop. They normally have some of the > wood tube liner scraps on hand. These are the thin wood sheets that > are used to line the insides of the more expensive cigars. And that fresh cedar aroma will keep the moths away from your model, too! Once upon a time, Meikraft used to sell super-thin veneers of wood. I guess they don't any more - I still have a few in blond and walnut. Mark mshanks@fltdyn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 12:16:59 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: Subject: moths Message-ID: <001601be918a$2934e7c0$4640a8c0@prens-001.ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> -----Mensaje original----- De: Mark Shanks >And that fresh cedar aroma will keep the moths away from your model, >too! >Mark The Gipsy and the Tiger Moths? Off topic stuff, they're in another shelf anyway ;-) D. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 09:18:36 -0700 From: Dave Wadman To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Warneford's Morane Parasol 3253 Message-ID: <372734DC.1ED5@nucleus.com> Hi Shane, Mark et al, Many thanks to your replies to my Morane enquiry, and also to Bob Pearson who took the time to answer further questions for me off list. Your help is much appreciated. BTW, I did consider making a comment about the aptly named 'Penlight Police' but decided against it as I'm not quite ready to be lynched! Thanks once again Dave W. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 08:09:47 -0700 From: "Bill Neill" To: Subject: Re: White/Elemers glue (was: What's on your work bench?) Message-ID: <006f01be9189$be8e5aa0$1213c0d8@bill> My first (non flying) models were not even plastic. There were KielKraft 'solids', you got some wooden blocks of roughly the right shape, to whittle and sand upon, and paper markings to cut out and stick on. I enjoyed them a lot and was very proud of them! Bill Neill > KarrArt@aol.com wrote: > > > Yeah, and the crawl was uphill both ways! We didn't have x-acto knives- we > > had to rip the parts from the sprue with our naked teeth. > > Robert K. > > And the only plastic kit in existance was the Aroura Me-109. > E. > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 07:59:56 -0700 From: "Bill Neill" To: Subject: Re: penlight people/ Message-ID: <006e01be9189$bd2de040$1213c0d8@bill> Have pity for the poor judges! They have to try to fairly pick the best out of maybe 20 great models. Only way to do it is to look very critically. Ok, 19 of the 20 will be upset (it was only a stupid little thing you had to have a flashlight and mirror to see) but thats why they lost, and the guy who got it least wrong won. At least in the USA, IPMS judges look mostly for craftsmanship. and also I'm told that starting from a bad kit or poor references is no excuse..... Bill Neill > I couldn't agree more, I like competitions so long as they don't go > over the top in judging(unless warranted to separate two potential > winners). I find it better then assessments(competing against yourself > to a standard) for gold, silver bronze. > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 11:31:04 EDT From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: penlight people/ Message-ID: <68eb34ad.245883b8@aol.com> In a message dated 99-04-28 11:27:58 EDT, you write: << Have pity for the poor judges! They have to try to fairly pick the best out of maybe 20 great models. Only way to do it is to look very critically. Ok, 19 of the 20 will be upset (it was only a stupid little thing you had to have a flashlight and mirror to see) but thats why they lost, and the guy who got it least wrong won. At least in the USA, IPMS judges look mostly for craftsmanship. and also I'm told that starting from a bad kit or poor references is no excuse..... >> My complaint wasn't about the judges. Most of them actually do/have built models. Tom ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 08:46:49 -0700 (PDT) From: peter crow To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: meltdown Message-ID: <19990428154649.25892.rocketmail@web708.mail.yahoo.com> Hello listee's.... I've had a major meltdown on my PC... Am using a neighbors PC to access the group and to let anybody know that if they are trying to get ahold of me on my other account that it will be a while before I am able to get back online... Also if Alan can un-subscribe me, as I'm limited on my time on this PC... Monday was not a good day for me... PC and car took a major screw-up on the same day... Not the person you want to take to Vegas for good luck this week...;-) Hope to be back soon .... P. Crow nb... probally a lot more with all my extra time..;-) _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 09:00:51 -0700 From: "Mark Shanks" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: meltdown Message-ID: <199904281600.JAA17037@elvis.fltdyn.com> Peter Crow wrote: > I've had a major meltdown on my PC... > Monday was not a good day for me... PC and car took > a major screw-up on the same day... My sincerest sympathies, Peter. In spite of taking all of the advised precautions on Sunday, my home PC also went belly-up on Monday, probably a mutation of the Chernobyl virus. (The darned thing can't even spin up a disk drive - the frustration is enormous). May the fleas of 10,000 camels infest the pubic hairs of the virus writer. Best wishes, and better luck, friend! Mark mshanks@fltdyn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 17:21:59 +0100 From: "Sandy Adam" To: Subject: Re: White/Elemers glue (was: What's on your work bench?) Message-ID: <133701be9193$3fc2bea0$21e8b094@sandyada> >My first (non flying) models were not even plastic. There were KielKraft 'solids', you got some wooden blocks of roughly the right shape, to whittle and sand upon, and paper markings to cut out and stick on. I enjoyed them a lot and was very proud of them! I remember them well Bill - real models! A company called Avian used to do a lot of them as well - these Johnny-come-Latelies don't know how easy they've got it. I think my first attempt was a Nieuport which I painted silver. Nobody told me what silver paint would look like on untreated balsa - uugh! After that it was multi-coats of Sanding Sealer and Banana Oil and sheets of worn-out sandpaper! Mind you it was interesting using the balsa glues and dope on the first Airfix kits when they appeared. The glues held the plastic together for about five minutes then fell apart allowing you to build the same kit many times over. Unfortunately the cellulose dope had a rather permanent effect on the surface finish. Sandy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 12:41:22 EDT From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: White/Elemers glue (was: What's on your work bench?) Message-ID: I must admit, learning to find the airplane in the block of wood certainly made taking a razor saw to a plastic kit - no matter how expensive - an easy, easy task. Of course it helped that back then the cheap kits really were cheap enough one could screw up and not feel a need to recompute the national debt. Tom ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 12:52:48 -0500 From: "John Glaser" To: Subject: RE: Control Horns Message-ID: Or maybe open on one end with a box on the other? -----Original Message----- From: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu [mailto:wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu]On Behalf Of Ernest Thomas Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 1999 6:21 AM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Control Horns Matthew E Bittner wrote: > > On Tue, 27 Apr 1999 22:20:09 -0400 (EDT) Ernest Thomas > writes: > > > What the hell is a combination wench anyway? > > One that goes both ways? ;-) > My favorite kind. :) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 16:19:32 EDT From: Zulis@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: meltdown Message-ID: <6f8117ab.2458c754@aol.com> In a message dated 4/28/1999 11:02:07AM, you write: << My sincerest sympathies, Peter. In spite of taking all of the advised precautions on Sunday, my home PC also went belly-up on Monday, probably a mutation of the Chernobyl virus. (The darned thing can't even spin up a disk drive - the frustration is enormous). May the fleas of 10,000 camels infest the pubic hairs of the virus writer. >> FYI - our workplace uses about 120 laptops. Our IS people latched onto the virus about 10 days before meltdown and swept all of them (including mine - thank you) except for two. The two which were missed crashed so totally that complete format was required. Sorry to hear about your woes, and wish I had better news. Dave Z ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 07:15:08 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: White/Elemers glue (was: What's on your work bench?) Message-ID: RK admits > we had to rip the parts from the sprue with our naked teeth. > Robert K. > It must be a comfort to know that tecnology has advanced far enough to save you from ripping the parts of with your gums now that your dotage is fast approaching :-) Shane ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 07:21:52 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Albatros D.III Colors Message-ID: Diego remarks: > Do you mean "Von Richthofen's Flying Circus"? What a > coincidence! I bought > it yesterday from Rollmodels. Is it worth the $29 + shipping or their > contents are updated again? (I had blind confidence in the "Albatros > fighters special" until this thread). vRFC is worth every cent if only for the inspiration of all those colourful profiles in the one book. But to get to my point. I wouldn't be too worried about "blind confidence". While it's probably wise to be sceptical of references to some degree (see previosu threads about drawings), you can only go with what you personally believe to be the best reference at the time. As long as body of knowledge continues to increase there will continue to be references which are superceded by better ones, and they in their turn will be bettered. Though perhaps not always - there are still books being published which regurgitate old info without any critical assesment of it and disregarding (or unaware) of later research. Shane ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 16:24:53 -0500 From: Matthew E Bittner To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Control Horns Message-ID: <19990428.163739.-797557.0.mbittner@juno.com> On Wed, 28 Apr 1999 07:51:19 -0400 (EDT) "Sandy Adam" writes: > Good man Bob - Matt's missed the point - I got the Tom's sets a > coupla > years back on his recommendation and they are good and well worth > the > money. But.... > What I want is a fret full of all different shapes and sizes of > horns that > I can pick up, select the ones I want and keep the rest for the next > project. Ah! Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 17:26:57 -0500 From: Tom Solinski To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: White/Elemers glue (was: What's on your work bench?) Message-ID: <37278B31.68D31B83@ionet.net> Hello list, or in the local, HOWDY!! There was a company here in the States that tried to revise the carved model back in the mid '70s. They had mahogany fuse & wings, and a fair amount of white metal details. The only two kits were a B-747, and the XF-92. I recall seeing the same two kits on the hobby shop shelf for the four full years of college. I don't think they ever sold. Back to the trenches On my workbench long neglected and un finished are 6 1/72 Fokker Dr-Is to be made up like the four A/C found on an old micro-scale sheet and the obligatory "all red one" from a Revell Germany kit. After these the energies will either go into an old Top Flight SE-5 or and even older Ben Buckle D-VIII. Both of these are R/C. On another topic, Allan was kind enough to post a short research paper of mine on the site under the Modeling Information button. It was written ( and rejected ) initially for the general public through Air & Space Smithsonian. As one of the other new comers commented I too am impressed with the knowledge of the folks on this list. I ask that you please read "German Aircraft Designations" and provide some feed back. Thanks Tom Solinski, Oklahoma City OK Sandy Adam wrote: > >My first (non flying) models were not even plastic. There were KielKraft > 'solids', you got some wooden blocks of roughly the right shape, to whittle > and sand upon, and paper markings to cut out and stick on. I enjoyed them a > lot and was very proud of them! > > I remember them well Bill - real models! A company called Avian used to do > a lot of them as well - these Johnny-come-Latelies don't know how easy > they've got it. > I think my first attempt was a Nieuport which I painted silver. Nobody told > me what silver paint would look like on untreated balsa - uugh! > After that it was multi-coats of Sanding Sealer and Banana Oil and sheets of > worn-out sandpaper! > Mind you it was interesting using the balsa glues and dope on the first > Airfix kits when they appeared. The glues held the plastic together for > about five minutes then fell apart allowing you to build the same kit many > times over. Unfortunately the cellulose dope had a rather permanent effect > on the surface finish. > Sandy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 23:30:37 +0100 From: Pedro e Francisca Soares To: WW1 modeling list Subject: For Allan is a jolly good fellow Message-ID: <37278C0D.8FC2DF@mail.telepac.pt> Gang, Please correct me if I'm wrong but The List must have turned 5 one of these last days. Right Al? Thanks again for your time efforts and generous dedication. We all owe you a huge round. Um abraco Pedro ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 18:51:15 -0400 From: "Steven M. Perry" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: For Allan is a jolly good fellow Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19990428185115.008dadfc@pop.mindspring.com> >Thanks again for your time efforts and generous dedication. We all owe >you a huge round. Here Here! A sincere thanks from me! sp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 18:42:47 EDT From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Albatros D.III Colors Message-ID: In a message dated 99-04-28 17:21:33 EDT, you write: << Though perhaps not always - there are still books being published which regurgitate old info without any critical assesment of it and disregarding (or unaware) of later research. >> Just thought you all might like to know that "Warpaint" is not what everyone thinks it is. To be brutally frank, their most recent A-1 Skyraider book (Ahh-ooo-ga! Ahh-oo-ga! OT Alert! OY Alert!) uses some very bad photos - they're bad because they downloaded thin scans from the Skuraider.org site - without permission, and when asked about it, with the webmaster pointing out the copyright holders had not said "yes" to such use, Warpaint came back with "the internet doesn't recognize copyright." Just in case any of you are laboring under a similar lack of information, let me assure you that is not the case. US copyright law has been specifically updated to cover internet publication. I happen to know about this particular instance because the webmaster asked my advice on the situation, and on who to contact. Anyway, if this is what Warpaint has done with the one book, how have they done their others?? And if this is the way they do "research," how accurate is their material??? Tom Cleaver ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 1552 **********************