WWI Digest 1549 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Flashback Strutter (was Re: YES!) by bucky@ptdprolog.net 2) Re: What's on your work bench? by "Tom Werner Hansen" 3) Re: What's on your work bench? by "Tom Werner Hansen" 4) DML Decals (was Re: What's on your work bench?) by mgbailey@dstsystems.com 5) Re: Eduard Hanriot ProfiPack by "Sandy Adam" 6) Brisfit progress by "Bill Neill" 7) Re: What's on your work bench? by Matthew E Bittner 8) Re: Flashback Strutter (was Re: YES!) by Matthew E Bittner 9) Re: What's on your work bench? by WBailey719@aol.com 10) Re: What's on your work bench? by "Mark Shanks" 11) RE: Classics Of WWI Aviation Vol 2. Fokker Fighters - A Review by Shane Weier 12) White/Elemers glue (was: What's on your work bench?) by "roguerpj" 13) Re: Rib Shadows by "Steven M. Perry" 14) Re: rib shadows by "Steven M. Perry" 15) Re: What's on your work bench? by Matthew E Bittner 16) Re: Eduard Hanriot ProfiPack by "Brad Gossen" 17) Re: White/Elemers glue (was: What's on your work bench?) by Ernest Thomas 18) Re: What's on your work bench? by KarrArt@aol.com 19) Re: What's on your work bench? by KarrArt@aol.com 20) Re: What's on your work bench? by KarrArt@aol.com 21) Re: Caligula to Snipe wasRe: I'm back dammit wasRe: Bavarian by KarrArt@aol.com 22) wood grain redux by bucky@ptdprolog.net 23) Re: What's on your work bench? by "David Vosburgh" 24) Re: White/Elemers glue (was: What's on your work bench?) by KarrArt@aol.com 25) Re: White/Elemers glue (was: What's on your work bench?) by Ernest Thomas 26) Re: Eduard Hanriot ProfiPack by Ernest Thomas 27) Ebay OT Books by "John Glaser" 28) Off Topic Wackett Warrigal/Widgeon by "cameron rile" 29) Re: White/Elemers glue (was: What's on your work bench?) by "roguerpj" 30) RE: Ebay OT Books by Shane Weier 31) Re: Ebay OT Books by Mike Fletcher 32) Re: What's on your work bench? by mgoodwin@ricochet.net 33) Re: wood grain redux by KarrArt@aol.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 07:52:25 -0400 From: bucky@ptdprolog.net To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Flashback Strutter (was Re: YES!) Message-ID: <37245379.8733357B@ptdprolog.net> Matthew E Bittner wrote: , I snapped the "arms" off the "W" struts, which left me with a "V". Whew. Glad to see I'm not the only one who did that. I'm letting the glue set even as we speak. How did you keep the top wing from sliding out of position after you attached it? Did you wait to put the interplane struts on until after the top wing was attached? Mike Muth ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1999 19:37:27 +0200 From: "Tom Werner Hansen" To: Subject: Re: What's on your work bench? Message-ID: <199904261239.OAA20634@golf.dax.net> > >Charles and Linda Duckworth wrote: > > > >> Was interested in what everyone is building and what stages your in with > the > >> kit? DML Dr.1(Jacobs') in its final stages. Waiting for final coat of Future after decals went on. (The sheet with the smaller decals for the propeller etc was missing, I have written Italeri which is supposed to be European importer of DML kits. It will be interesting to see what they answer.) Just have to get compressor repaired for broken off air output pipe. Kit was pretty much OOB except for Clerget engine made from cylinders copied from the DML engine with added sprue push rods in front. (This way I have a complete DML engine to be put into some worthy subject). Small problem with upper wing being slightly bent, so the jig I usually make to hold the upper wing in place didn't work quite as planned. However, nothing that suberglue couldn't fix. Tom Werner ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 14:39:44 +0200 From: "Tom Werner Hansen" To: Subject: Re: What's on your work bench? Message-ID: <199904261239.OAA20643@golf.dax.net> > >Charles and Linda Duckworth wrote: > > > >> Was interested in what everyone is building and what stages your in with > the > >> kit? DML Dr.1(Jacobs') in its final stages. Waiting for final coat of Future after decals went on. (The sheet with the smaller decals for the propeller etc was missing, I have written Italeri which is supposed to be European importer of DML kits. It will be interesting to see what they answer.) Just have to get compressor repaired for broken off air output pipe. Kit was pretty much OOB except for Clerget engine made from cylinders copied from the DML engine with added sprue push rods in front. (This way I have a complete DML engine to be put into some worthy subject). Small problem with upper wing being slightly bent, so the jig I usually make to hold the upper wing in place didn't work quite as planned. However, nothing that suberglue couldn't fix. Stitching along lower fuselage made with white glue painted on in small diagonal strips. Rib tapes: narrow strips of low tack "blue" 3M tape cut with an instrument acquired from the US after a tip by somebody on this list which can make the most incredibly exact narrow (or wide) strips. (If anybody's interested I may be able to find out who made this instrument.) These strips were placed on top of the kit ribs. Then wider strips of same tape placed between the "rib tape strips" which in their turn were removed, leaving only the area where the rib tapes shold be. Two-three coats of paint to build up the thickness of the tapes, away with the masking between the rib tapes, and there you are, perfect rib tapes! Tom Werner ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 09:28:10 -0500 From: mgbailey@dstsystems.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: DML Decals (was Re: What's on your work bench?) Message-ID: <8625675F.004F9D45.00@dstsmtp1.dstsystems.com> >DML Dr.1(Jacobs') in its final stages. >Waiting for final coat of Future after decals went on. (The sheet with the >smaller decals for the propeller etc was missing, I have written Italeri >which is supposed to be European importer of DML kits. It will be >interesting to see what they answer.) >Tom Werner If you don't have any luck with Italeri, you might want to try Marco Polo Imports (U.S. importer of DML kits). I have had a couple DML kits with missing/bad decals in the past. When this happened, I wrote to Marco Polo Imports and explained the problem. I always got my replacements within a few weeks. From what I understand, they are always good about replacing parts, decals, etc., if they have them in stock. Matt Bailey ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 16:00:57 +0100 From: "Sandy Adam" To: Subject: Re: Eduard Hanriot ProfiPack Message-ID: <199904261459.PAA02480@beryl.sol.co.uk> Mike thanks for the kind offer - I have the DF however and can look up the original photos. I thought somebody had said they had a page covering this in the kit though - and I was missing a page from the instruction sheets - but maybe there is not such a thing for this kit? Sandy ---------- > From: bucky@ptdprolog.net > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: Eduard Hanriot ProfiPack > Date: 26 April 1999 12:48 > > Sandy > It might have been me. I copied one of the photos from the Datafile( > stars) for someone. Any plane in particular? There is a copy of the French > camo scheme if you need one. Let me know. > Mike Muth > > Sandy Adam wrote: > > > I think somebody recently offered a scan of the markings diagrams for the > > HD1/HD2 kit. I got one yesterday and find there is no diag for the Belgian > > and Italian markings. > > If somebody has this, could I ask for a scan please? > > Thanks > > Sandy > > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 09:49:46 -0700 From: "Bill Neill" To: Subject: Brisfit progress Message-ID: <001c01be9005$8d298fa0$323bc0d8@bill> Well, the Aeroclub Brisfit made it into painting, without much luck so far.... I shot a coat of CDL (PollyS 'dirty white'). Found a few bad bits, fixed them up, then thought I would try Steven P's rib shadowing technique. Mixed some dirty white/dark grey, and shot it on. Came out lumpy, due to something in the grey. So, back to sanding.... The lower wing/undercarriage struts are assembled as a unit, so is the fuselage/ and struts to wing. I ditched the white metal struts and used bent up brass wire, for strength. The wire got streamlined with bits of Contrail strutting with the rounded front cut off. Assembly when most of the finishing is done. This will be in the early Irish scheme, underside in PollyS 505205 Dirty White, topside in PollyS 505098 US Olive Drab, national markings in PollyS 505026 Green/ 505011 White/ 50520 Orange Yellow. Unless I change my mind! Bill Neill ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 14:59:44 -0500 From: Matthew E Bittner To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: What's on your work bench? Message-ID: <19990426.150119.-845943.3.mbittner@juno.com> On Mon, 26 Apr 1999 08:40:23 -0400 (EDT) "Tom Werner Hansen" writes: > Rib tapes: narrow strips of low tack "blue" 3M tape cut with an > instrument > acquired from the US after a tip by somebody on this list which can > make > the most incredibly exact narrow (or wide) strips. Yes, please! Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 14:58:34 -0500 From: Matthew E Bittner To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Flashback Strutter (was Re: YES!) Message-ID: <19990426.150119.-845943.2.mbittner@juno.com> On Mon, 26 Apr 1999 07:53:31 -0400 (EDT) bucky@ptdprolog.net writes: > Whew. Glad to see I'm not the only one who did that. I'm letting the > glue set > even as we speak. How did you keep the top wing from sliding out of > position > after you attached it? Did you wait to put the interplane struts on > until > after the top wing was attached? Nope. The left over "V"s and interplane struts went on at the same time. The important thing was the tube glue, which gave me about a five minute "playing" time until the joint was too hard to work with anymore. Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 16:09:23 EDT From: WBailey719@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: What's on your work bench? Message-ID: <402fde93.245621f3@aol.com> Greetings! The H.M.S. Iron Duke slid down the slipways under a fresh coat of Floquil Figure Flat and the Base getting a coat of Testors Glosscoat awaiting the paint to dry to mount her on the base. Which means I now have an extra CnC Iron Duke for trade after adding this one by GHQ to the 1/2400 fleets. Anyone on the list also doing 1/2400 waterline ships please drop me an e-mail. The aircraft on the bench are 1/72 kits. The DH2 has received its decals and awaits final details, it being built for a regular customer OOB. A Fokker E-III awaits its decals, being built for myself basically OOB with thinning if cowl and flying surfaces and pushrods added to the Engine. Waiting for paint to cure, is a modified Esci Albatros D-III that will have offset radiator and gun replacements. Wishing All a Prolific Building season! Bill Bailey. PS. Can anyone spare Neiuport 24, and or 27 fuselages that Rosemount used to offer for 1/72? Actually any Neiuport parts from the old Roseparts series would be most appreciated. If Barry could be persuaded to reissue these I wish to support such an efffort. Perhaps someone could offer to lend him the original parts from which to make new mold replacements as I understand the old ones are worn out. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 13:34:31 -0700 From: "Mark Shanks" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: What's on your work bench? Message-ID: <199904262031.NAA06350@elvis.fltdyn.com> I assume that I am atypical, in that I either finish the model I'm currently working on, or should I lose all interest and drive on a specific model, off the table it goes and another one takes it's place. Once off the table, it's outta here - life's too short, and the queue is too long. Average build time - 4 months. Mark mshanks@fltdyn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 07:25:56 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Classics Of WWI Aviation Vol 2. Fokker Fighters - A Review Message-ID: Cyg, Nice review. Damn thing still hasn't arrived in the antipodes though. :-( > The conflict is soft peddled in the > text, but footnote 3 dismisses Weyl's Fokker biography as "at > best...historical fiction", - the first time I have seen this in print > other than Bob Pearson's commmetary. You should go back and read my opinion too. Weyl hated Fokker personally and passionately, Anyone reading his bio without keeping that in mind is getting a head full of undiluted pap. Better to read it AND Fokkers own story to get the pap with the opposite bias and try to reconcile the two. The matter has been hashed over in (particularly) the letters columns of Windsock over the years. Grosz is not the only one of the respected "scholars" in this area who dismisses Weyl, but sadly you will find mush of his bullshit has been repeated so frequently by uncritical writers as to now have the status of received wisdom. Platz is now widely regarded as the sole designer of Fokkers later aircraft thanks to Weyls determination to shift whatever credit existed as far as possible from the Dutchman - this load of cobblers is still repeated in every second new book and magazine article. Shane ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 16:27:56 -0500 From: "roguerpj" To: Subject: White/Elemers glue (was: What's on your work bench?) Message-ID: <003501be902b$a9c1dac0$05f99ed0@robjohn.swdata.com> -----Original Message----- From: Tom Werner Hansen To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Monday, April 26, 1999 7:44 AM Subject: Re: What's on your work bench? >> >Charles and Linda Duckworth wrote: >> > >> >> Was interested in what everyone is building and what stages your in >with >> the >> >> kit? > >DML Dr.1(Jacobs') in its final stages. >cut................... >Stitching along lower fuselage made with white glue painted on in small >diagonal strips. >cut................... > >Tom Werner > > Several people have brought up using white glue to do various things. (i.e. stitching, thickening of wing struts,etc.........) Do you treat this stuff prior to painting? I there any preparation of the surface required to get the glue to stick? thanks, still trying to learn rob johnson ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 17:28:21 -0400 From: "Steven M. Perry" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Rib Shadows Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19990426172821.00a30f24@pop.mindspring.com> Hi Bill: I saw your post earlier, sorry to gear the paint gummed up. Been there, done thst ;-) Attached is what the BE2 wing looks like now. All that remains are a few strands of rigging. Regards sp ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 17:30:26 -0400 From: "Steven M. Perry" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: rib shadows Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19990426173026.00a30f08@pop.mindspring.com> Duh ah, sorry. Hit the send key before I changed the address. sp ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 17:07:03 -0500 From: Matthew E Bittner To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: What's on your work bench? Message-ID: <19990426.170709.-800125.1.mbittner@juno.com> On Mon, 26 Apr 1999 16:13:03 -0400 (EDT) WBailey719@aol.com writes: > PS. Can anyone spare Neiuport 24, and or 27 fuselages that Rosemount > used to offer for 1/72? Actually any Neiuport parts from the old > Roseparts > series would be most appreciated. If Barry could be persuaded to > reissue > these I wish to support such an efffort. Perhaps someone could offer > to lend > him the original parts from which to make new mold replacements as I > understand the old ones are worn out. I have expressed the same to him. Trust me, he does want to re-do, but has plenty of "pots in the fire". I wants more than just the old molds. He wants to completely re-do most - if not all - of them. Just give him time. Lots of it. Which reminds me I need to get cracking on something... Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 18:19:31 -0400 From: "Brad Gossen" To: Subject: Re: Eduard Hanriot ProfiPack Message-ID: <199904262221.SAA04015@mail5.globalserve.net> Mine also came with no diagrams for the Belgian and Italian machines. Brad ---------- > From: Sandy Adam > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: Eduard Hanriot ProfiPack > Date: Monday, April 26, 1999 10:59 AM > > Mike thanks for the kind offer - I have the DF however and can look up the > original photos. > I thought somebody had said they had a page covering this in the kit though > - and I was missing a page from the instruction sheets - but maybe there is > not such a thing for this kit? > Sandy > ---------- > > From: bucky@ptdprolog.net > > To: Multiple recipients of list > > Subject: Re: Eduard Hanriot ProfiPack > > Date: 26 April 1999 12:48 > > > > Sandy > > It might have been me. I copied one of the photos from the Datafile( > > stars) for someone. Any plane in particular? There is a copy of the > French > > camo scheme if you need one. Let me know. > > Mike Muth > > > > Sandy Adam wrote: > > > > > I think somebody recently offered a scan of the markings diagrams for > the > > > HD1/HD2 kit. I got one yesterday and find there is no diag for the > Belgian > > > and Italian markings. > > > If somebody has this, could I ask for a scan please? > > > Thanks > > > Sandy > > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 19:22:15 -0500 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: White/Elemers glue (was: What's on your work bench?) Message-ID: <37250337.2983@bellsouth.net> roguerpj wrote: > Several people have brought up using white glue to do various things. (i.e. > stitching, thickening of wing struts,etc.........) Do you treat this stuff > prior to painting? I there any preparation of the surface required to get > the glue to stick? > Hey Rob, Aside from making sure it's reasonably clean and whatnot, I don't do anything to the surface as far as preperation goes. But I do add a bit of acrylic paint to the white glue before I apply it to whatever(usually cockpit coamings) part I'm working on. All this does is help me track my progress as I'm building up layers of glue. It makes things easier than trying to figure out what's happening after the glue dries clear. It doesn't really matter what color paint you mix into the glue. I usually use flat dark earth, but I'm usually applying it to coamings and seat cusions. If you're putting it on a strut, then use whatever color you plan to paint the strut. Hth, ymmv. > thanks, still trying to learn > You're welcome. I am too. E. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 20:45:37 EDT From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: What's on your work bench? Message-ID: <37c41b99.245662b1@aol.com> In a message dated 4/25/99 7:30:10 AM Pacific Daylight Time, cnlduckwor@ninenet.com writes: << Was interested in what everyone is building and what stages your in with the kit? >> Well, let's see- I reckon my bench-table has been traded temporarily for an easel. Off-topic activity involving on-topic subject matter. I'm re-doing an old painting of mine of a Snipe. When first painted, I had nowhere near the references I have now , and some correction is called for. Since the picture isn't a complete waste, I think I can bring it up to snuff. Robert K. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 20:45:25 EDT From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: What's on your work bench? Message-ID: <69789c18.245662a5@aol.com> In a message dated 4/26/99 5:41:35 AM Pacific Daylight Time, tomwerner.hansen@c2i.net writes: << have a complete DML engine to be put into some worthy subject). Small problem with upper wing being slightly bent, so the jig I usually make to hold the upper wing in place didn't work quite as planned. However, nothing that suberglue couldn't fix. >> I had the same problem with my DML Tripe. I did the hot water trick to flatten the wing and thought all was well until I glued the top wing to the struts and retired for the night. When I checked the next morning, the wing decided to warp again and I had broken struts and a royal mess. I managed to get a fix done, but it was frustrating. Robert K. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 20:45:31 EDT From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: What's on your work bench? Message-ID: In a message dated 4/25/99 1:27:06 PM Pacific Daylight Time, dcf@mars.ark.com writes: << And I have been offered a half-share in an unfinished Sopwith One-and-a-half Strutter which is about 72 times the size of a Bittner-scale model. My wife has failed to offer the needed encouragement at this point. Dave Fletcher dcf@mars.ark.com >> Just tell her how useful such a machine would be, I'm sure that would convince her! Robert K. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 20:45:39 EDT From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Caligula to Snipe wasRe: I'm back dammit wasRe: Bavarian Message-ID: <34bf13b8.245662b3@aol.com> In a message dated 4/25/99 5:37:07 AM Pacific Daylight Time, ethomas6@bellsouth.net writes: << I said THANKUVERMUCH! E. >> Now that it's Monday afternoon, I've finally got my hearing back! RK ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 21:08:21 -0400 From: bucky@ptdprolog.net To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: wood grain redux Message-ID: <37250E05.3FF025C4@ptdprolog.net> In starting to do the cockpit interior of the Hanriot, I decided to try a suggestion someone came up with awhile ago. I decided to use the natural wood that comes in some cigar containers for the fuselage formers. It cut pretty easily and glued without any problem. Thanks to whoever suggested this idea :-) Mike Muth ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 21:20:21 -0400 From: "David Vosburgh" To: Subject: Re: What's on your work bench? Message-ID: <007801be904c$20d9a000$78d690d0@Pvosburg> Mark Any chance we're ever going to see that Alb. Dr.I? If your wife likes it I suspect the rest of us might too... DV (Still working on those IM copies...) -----Original Message----- From: Mark Shanks To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Monday, April 26, 1999 4:58 PM Subject: Re: What's on your work bench? >I assume that I am atypical, in that I either finish the model I'm >currently working on, or should I lose all interest and drive on a >specific model, off the table it goes and another one takes it's >place. Once off the table, it's outta here - life's too short, and >the queue is too long. Average build time - 4 months. > >Mark >mshanks@fltdyn.com > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 20:45:23 EDT From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: White/Elemers glue (was: What's on your work bench?) Message-ID: In a message dated 4/26/99 2:26:57 PM Pacific Daylight Time, roguerpj@mninter.net writes: << Several people have brought up using white glue to do various things. (i.e. stitching, thickening of wing struts,etc.........) Do you treat this stuff prior to painting? I there any preparation of the surface required to get the glue to stick? thanks, still trying to learn rob johnson >> I've never had a problem getting the stuff to stick. About the only thing I do sometimes is dip the brush in a little water-base color and kinda mix it in the glue just so I can see what I've done. The actual color doesn't matter- it's a marker. After the plop of glue has been out for a while, it'll start to get a bit stiffer to work, and if you catch it just right, this gummier consistancy works well for thicker details. Robert K. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 21:40:32 -0500 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: White/Elemers glue (was: What's on your work bench?) Message-ID: <372523A0.5819@bellsouth.net> KarrArt@aol.com wrote: > About the only thing I > do sometimes is dip the brush in a little water-base color and kinda mix it > in the glue just so I can see what I've done. The actual color doesn't > matter- it's a marker. Sure, steal my idea, do a bit of editing, and call it your own. I hope your engineerlettes never come back. :p E. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 21:53:55 -0500 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Eduard Hanriot ProfiPack Message-ID: <372526C3.7422@bellsouth.net> Sandy Adam wrote: > I thought somebody had said they had a page covering this in the kit though > - and I was missing a page from the instruction sheets - but maybe there is > not such a thing for this kit? > Sandy Sandy, and anyone else who has this kit and may be missing some pages. My profipack HD.1 came with a marking & painting sheet that was seperate from the instructions. It has 4 view color guides for Italian, Belgian, French and U.S.N. versions. The Belgian and French cammo looks to be all the same colors and patterns with a few variations in the shape of some of the color blobs. What I found to be a real treat was the mini-guide. If you didn't have one of these in your box, too bad. It's a full color print out with 8 photos of a museum specimen in Belgian markings showing fuselage, cockpit, strut & cables, empanage, MG, and undercarriage details. Hth... E. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 21:50:47 -0500 From: "John Glaser" To: "WW1 Mail List" Subject: Ebay OT Books Message-ID: On sale at Ebay: Aircraft Archive / Aircraft of World War One - Volumes 1, 2 & 3. Also known as items 95212588, 95217250 & 95219899. Does anyone have any info on these books? Are they worth a bid? TIA - John ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 23:24:13 -0300 From: "cameron rile" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Off Topic Wackett Warrigal/Widgeon Message-ID: <199904262025151@cameron.prontomail.com> Got a book in the mail today, "Air Base Richmond - The Story of the RAAF base in the Hawkesbury" got it as it has info on the air school at Clarendon which began in 1916 under the NSW Government which is odd as the only other air school in Au was Point Cook which was military. It has an interesting photo of a Jenny and several post war aircraft such as Dh9's, Seagulls, Avro's, SE5a's and the like, and one stunning photgraph of the Lancaster Q for Queenie flying under the Harbour bridge. The intial costs for the base in 1916 were 12000 pounds for the hangar ( which still stands today it is now the spray booth for the 707's ) and 2840 pounds for two jenny aircraft. Ended up being four Jenny's and one Caudron, a better compliment of planes than PointCook had. Anyway the book makes mention of "In June 1930 Hefferman found the wings of Warrigal II in an old tin hangar at Richmond. He and Bert Simms assembled the aircraft on July 25 abd each had a flight. Neither was impressed. so the Warrigal was returned to the hangar, and later to the workshop at Randwick." Does this aircraft or the Widgeon survive in a museum today somewhere in Au? I couldnt find a pic of either in the AWM database either. cam ( originally from Windsor, next town east of Richmond/Clarendon ) AFC page at : http://members.xoom.com/PointCook/index.htm ______________________________________________________________ Get Your Free E-mail and Homepage at http://www.prontomail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 23:02:32 -0500 From: "roguerpj" To: Subject: Re: White/Elemers glue (was: What's on your work bench?) Message-ID: <002c01be9062$c725f1a0$05f99ed0@robjohn.swdata.com> Now now children. You were both helpful. One (Ernest) told me about he color. The other filled me in on how to apply the stuff. rob -----Original Message----- From: Ernest Thomas To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Monday, April 26, 1999 9:45 PM Subject: Re: White/Elemers glue (was: What's on your work bench?) >KarrArt@aol.com wrote: > >> About the only thing I >> do sometimes is dip the brush in a little water-base color and kinda mix it >> in the glue just so I can see what I've done. The actual color doesn't >> matter- it's a marker. > >Sure, steal my idea, do a bit of editing, and call it your own. >I hope your engineerlettes never come back. :p >E. > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 14:22:41 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Ebay OT Books Message-ID: John > On sale at Ebay: Aircraft Archive / Aircraft of World War > One - Volumes 1, > 2 & 3. Also known as items 95212588, 95217250 & 95219899. > Does anyone have > any info on these books? Are they worth a bid? Very much so. This is a collection of plans, maybe 15-20 aircraft per volume, most of which were published in the glory days of Scale Models when Ray Rimell was editor. Many are by Ian Stair, and some have been updated in later Datafiles but as a concentrated collection of reasonably accurate and reliable drawings it will take some beating. Oh - not just drawings, that's my bias kicking in. Each aircraft is covered in brief with one up to several photos and text as well. I never bought these when they came out and have been kicking myself ever since Shane ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 22:08:05 -0700 From: Mike Fletcher To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Ebay OT Books Message-ID: <37254635.21CFF671@mars.ark.com> yup - they are reprints from an old magazine series but quality of the plans is variable. -- Mike Fletcher ___ ., mdf@mars.ark.com |-\|^----! ; mikef@sparc.nic.bc.ca |--n--""*" icq=19554083 @ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 10:44:10 -0700 From: mgoodwin@ricochet.net To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: What's on your work bench? Message-ID: <3725F76A.15B6@ricochet.net> richard eaton wrote: > > ---------- > > From: peter crow > > To: Multiple recipients of list > > Subject: Re: What's on your work bench? > > Date: Sunday, April 25, 1999 4:50 PM The question is, what ISN'T on, near or under my workbench... Esci SE5a needs rigging...reminding me about one of the the biggest pains of weensy scale. Lotta wire on this one. Smer Nie 11 needs cowl buffing/rigging/Hall's or Pavelka's markings. K&B Breguet rebuild. Lotsa accuracy problems, most of which I'm ignoring. Haven't resolved insignia problem for camoed French schemes. Bavarian Alb. D.III or V. Might use an old Aeroskin carcass & Esci wings - can't bear to let potentially useful kits/parts go to average folks who won't know the difference. Markings problem solved by Mr.Perry. Aeroclub/Blue Rider DH9 conversion. Somebody's putting one of these out soon, no? All manner of off-topic noodling, although proud to say almost none of it WWII/Cold War - well, unless spacecraft count. FWIW, Riordan ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 23:28:32 EDT From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: wood grain redux Message-ID: In a message dated 4/26/99 6:09:28 PM Pacific Daylight Time, bucky@ptdprolog.net writes: << In starting to do the cockpit interior of the Hanriot, I decided to try a suggestion someone came up with awhile ago. I decided to use the natural wood that comes in some cigar containers for the fuselage formers. It cut pretty easily and glued without any problem. Thanks to whoever suggested this idea :-) Mike Muth >> If y'all ever have trouble getting ahold of cigar box wood, I've used 1/64 birch ply I buy at the old fashion flying model shops. I get the edge of a blade just so on a corner of this stuff, and peel the layers apart. The top peel will be pretty mangled, but you're left with a pretty good size piece( at least for 1/72--1/32 size models) of thin stuff. A little cleanup sanding and it's even thinner. Robert K. ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 1549 **********************