WWI Digest 1539 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: 1999 Most Wanted by "D. Anderson" <2814823733@home.com> 2) RE: FW: Details, details by "Robert Woodbury" 3) Re: Hanriot HD1 & Happy99.exe by David Kinnear 4) Re: Lorzenge Questions by Scottfking@aol.com 5) Re: Eduard Hanriot's model artwork question by Scottfking@aol.com 6) RE: Lorzenge Questions by "Diego Fernetti" 7) Test - Please disregard by mgbailey@dstsystems.com 8) Re: Eduard Hanriot's model artwork question by Albatrosdv@aol.com 9) Re: blackholed! by mgbailey@dstsystems.com 10) PV7 Grain Kitten by mkendix 11) Re: 1999 Most Wanted by "Sandy Adam" 12) FMP by Pedro e Francisca Soares 13) OT - F3F-2 In Flight At The Aeronut by Albatrosdv@aol.com 14) Re: OT - F3F-2 In Flight At The Aeronut by David Kinnear 15) HR Models by Matthew E Bittner 16) Re: OT - F3F-2 In Flight At The Aeronut by Albatrosdv@aol.com 17) Re: Second Try at Decal Question by "Charles and Linda Duckworth" 18) Re: OT - F3F-2 In Flight At The Aeronut by peter crow 19) RE: Lorzenge Questions by Shane Weier 20) Re: Second Try at Decal Question by kevinkim@interlog.com (Kevin & Kimberley) 21) Re: OT - F3F-2 In Flight At The Aeronut by Albatrosdv@aol.com 22) Re: HR Models by Mike Fletcher ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 23:52:24 -0600 From: "D. Anderson" <2814823733@home.com> To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: 1999 Most Wanted Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19990415235224.007c8570@mail> At 10:23 PM 15/04/99 -0400, you wrote: >In a message dated 99-04-15 22:06:32 EDT, you write: > ><< > 1/48th > SPAD 7 - available as a good, but expensive resin from JMGT - I liked doing >it > SE5a - available now from BM, available next year from Eduard > DH5 - available next year from Aeroclub > Halberstadt single seater (all variants) > Sopwith Snipe - available now as a resin from Copper State, available soon >from Eduard > Sopwith Camel - available now from BM - one of their best - and available >later this fall from Eduard. > >> > >You guys are going to have to get more esoteric in your wants. You lack >imagination. :-) All right. I noticed some 1/700 ships, but no 1/350 ones. I just received my first resin, limited-edition, biggo buckos 1/350 ship--an off-topic but beautiful all the same cruiser--and was impressed enough to desire to by another one some day. Would be happy if the next one were a W.W. I dreadnought or pre-dreadnought. Dane >Tom Cleaver > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 13:55:35 +0800 From: "Robert Woodbury" To: Subject: RE: FW: Details, details Message-ID: <000701be87cd$bef7aa20$91107482@per.clw.csiro.au> Bill, Sounds familiar. Reminds me of the time the USS Enterprise visited Fremantle, a group of young women employed by a city drinking establishment went to greet the ship as she arrived- all topless- made the nightly news. A few days later, a group of us had arranged to visit the Big E and the same bunch of women were prowling the wharves, someone in our group (not me I swear) suggested that she might like to give the local boys a treat- which she did- suffice to say it almost made up for a trip we never went out on because of bad weather. Rob > > I had the pleasure and honor of being in the great land of Oz when the the > USS Arkansas visited Melbourne. The local peaceniks protested by sending > boatloads of naked girls. The sailors were most distressed.... > The girls were later to be found lining up (dressed) for the tour of the > ship... > > Bill Neill > > > ever visited where wearing one's USN uniform was a guarantee of better > > > treatment (like I could'nt buy a drink the whole time I was > > > there)... > > Here's to Australia/US friendship. > > > > Rob > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 23:29:29 -0700 From: David Kinnear To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Hanriot HD1 & Happy99.exe Message-ID: <199904160626.XAA15478@danube.cisco.com> Everyone who received the email with the happy99.exe attachment should look in their data/email/attachments/ folder and try and get rid of the copy that resides there. If you cannot delete it, then scan the folder with your anti-virus software. DK At 01:54 AM 4/16/99 -0400, you wrote: >In a message dated 4/15/1999 9:34:41PM, Bob wrote; > ><< I am pretty sure that Jeffrey Walton never intentionally sent the > happy99.exe to us all. It attaches itself to your email and sends itself in > a new message to whoever you send messages to. In most cases the first you > know that you have been infected is when a friend notifies you that you just > sent it to them (one more reason to get a Mac. . Happy, Melissa and Y2K > don't affect us). Many people on this list were carriers earlier this year, > and none of them were blasted the way he just was. I only hope we haven't > added to the black name that the list has on RMS by the way he was treated > today. > >> > >I agree with Bob, and would like to add that we recently had a flurry of this >on our worksite computers and it followed the same pattern as Jeffrey had - a >legitimate message paired with an infected one, going out simultaneously. >Furthermore, those people definitely did not have any idea that their >computer was doing this until after the damage had already been done. > >Also, this virus will only replicate itself to each address once (and >actually keeps a small file listing who it has sent itself to) but, if you >attempt to eradicate it and do not get it all, it starts all over again and >sends out a second blast of messages to the entire group. Lets hope >Jeffrey gets it all. > >Regards, > >Dave Z > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 06:15:59 EDT From: Scottfking@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Lorzenge Questions Message-ID: <7cd131fe.244867df@aol.com> In a message dated 4/14/99 10:08:06 PM EST, roguerpj@mninter.net writes: << My questions is what lozenge pattern would have been used? Because this is a Marine unit would it have had a different pattern? >> IThe Windsock Datafile on the Fokker DVIII has at least a couple of pictures of Naval EV / DVIII's. One photo is of Osterkamp and EV 156/18, and this and almost all others, army and naval, appear to be in four color lozenge. If you can obtain a copy of this reference you could make your own judgement, as I am certainly not an authority. Skippy ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 06:16:01 EDT From: Scottfking@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Eduard Hanriot's model artwork question Message-ID: <7d02cc1.244867e1@aol.com> In a message dated 4/5/99 5:59:06 PM EST, cnlduckwor@ninenet.com writes: << I picked up the Profipack Hanriot today at the local hobby shop and in going through the box I see there is no color profiles included for the various aircraft markings as with their other WWI models I've built. The decals are all numbered 1 to 25 which leads me to believe I'm missing a color sheet. If not where does the third '81' go on the Italian a/c (top wing perhaps?). >> I believe you are correct - there are only two profiles & there are four sets of markings. Rotsa Ruck if you do the Italian version with the stars depicted on the box art. Skippy ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 08:07:39 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: Subject: RE: Lorzenge Questions Message-ID: <001301be87f9$576cb0e0$4640a8c0@prens-001.ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Although I'm not building this plane, I always had a doubt about Osterkampk's lozenge application. I have the 1/72 SIGN kit and the painting instructions says that only the undercarriage "wing" and horizontal tail surfaces are covered with loz. fabric. However, the Flashback box artwork shows them painted in yellow. I don't have the pertinent Datafile nor pictures of the actual aircraft to compare. Can you clarify this for me? TIA D. -----Mensaje original----- De: Scottfking@aol.com Para: Multiple recipients of list Fecha: Viernes 16 de Abril de 1999 7:30 AM Asunto: Re: Lorzenge Questions >In a message dated 4/14/99 10:08:06 PM EST, roguerpj@mninter.net writes: > ><< My questions is what > lozenge pattern would have been used? Because this is a Marine unit would it > have had a different pattern? >> > >IThe Windsock Datafile on the Fokker DVIII has at least a couple of pictures >of Naval EV / DVIII's. One photo is of Osterkamp and EV 156/18, and this >and almost all others, army and naval, appear to be in four color lozenge. >If you can obtain a copy of this reference you could make your own judgement, >as I am certainly not an authority. > >Skippy > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 09:43:31 -0500 From: mgbailey@dstsystems.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Test - Please disregard Message-ID: <86256755.00510241.00@dstsmtp1.dstsystems.com> Test ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 11:06:49 EDT From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Eduard Hanriot's model artwork question Message-ID: In a message dated 99-04-16 06:18:54 EDT, you write: << >> I believe you are correct - there are only two profiles & there are four sets of markings. Rotsa Ruck if you do the Italian version with the stars depicted on the box art. >> You have gotten a kit with missing stuff - my profipack HD.1 has two profile sheets, and includes all the info necessary to do the Italian stars. Cheers, Tom Cleaver ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 10:14:01 -0500 From: mgbailey@dstsystems.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: blackholed! Message-ID: <86256755.0053CF4C.00@dstsmtp1.dstsystems.com> --0__=E2vbfVVZHk54t2zha7czpIuRANQZOFjJaWjFgs0y908Pi4Jvt4z2pAk2 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Sorry Folks! I thought more people were familiar with the term. I was using a Dejanews mail account to post and receive postings from the newsgroup. I guess someone using a Dejanews account spammed UNH. The result is that all my posts are now blocked if I used Dejanews. Anyway, I'm back up and running. Thanks, Matt Bailey Date: Thu, --0__=E2vbfVVZHk54t2zha7czpIuRANQZOFjJaWjFgs0y908Pi4Jvt4z2pAk2 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable =A015=A0Apr=A01999=A014:39:49=A0-0400=A0(EDT) From: Suvoroff@aol.com Add to Address Book Subject: Re:=A0blackholed! To: Multiple=A0recipients=A0of=A0list=A0 Reply To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu What is "blackholed"? Yours, James D. Gray = --0__=E2vbfVVZHk54t2zha7czpIuRANQZOFjJaWjFgs0y908Pi4Jvt4z2pAk2-- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 11:14:28 -0400 (EDT) From: mkendix To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: PV7 Grain Kitten Message-ID: Does anyone out there have the Windsock Mini-Datafile #8 on the martin Kitten? If so, can they tell me whether it has any material on the PV7 Grain Kitten? Michael mkendix@worthen.ihcrp.georgetown.edu ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 16:35:58 +0100 From: "Sandy Adam" To: Subject: Re: 1999 Most Wanted Message-ID: <199904161549.QAA09686@beryl.sol.co.uk> Tom, you missed the BM SPAD 7, still a few available (but waiting on metal parts), the Paaschendaele Halberstadt (soon I surmise), Pamela Veal Snipe (magic if you can find it) and I still like the Monogram SE5a (even though I've got the new BM). More importantly though, you missed the point. Matt was collecting a list of wants for high quality (lowish cost) mass market kits (a la Eduard LTM). As Shane said CSM and JMGT are hardly that! Interesting results Matt - my thanks too for collating it all. Sandy > 1/48th > SPAD 7 - available as a good, but expensive resin from JMGT - I liked doing > it > SE5a - available now from BM, available next year from Eduard > DH5 - available next year from Aeroclub > Halberstadt single seater (all variants) > Sopwith Snipe - available now as a resin from Copper State, available soon > from Eduard > Sopwith Camel - available now from BM - one of their best - and available > later this fall from Eduard. > >> > > You guys are going to have to get more esoteric in your wants. You lack > imagination. :-) > > Tom Cleaver > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 22:16:00 +0100 From: Pedro e Francisca Soares To: WW1 modeling list Subject: FMP Message-ID: <3717A88E.C60247D1@mail.telepac.pt> Hi Gang, My parcel from FMP finally arrived. Excellent stuff. Great books. The graphic content on the S-16 and HB DI is absolutely tops. Also it was a great pleasure to see Bob's drawings on teh Victoria Cross book. Pedro ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 19:30:14 EDT From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: OT - F3F-2 In Flight At The Aeronut Message-ID: <6e10c06c.24492206@aol.com> Hi all: Point your browsers to: http://members.aol.com/aerialnut/f3f.html and take a look at the five air-to-air shots of my favorite biplane. Took them Wednesday out at Chino from a DC-3 (RK got to go, too, and he has video on that gaggle of photographers in the DC-3 - once they know he's got it he's going to be rich!) Cheers, Tom Cleaver ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 16:46:56 -0700 From: David Kinnear To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: OT - F3F-2 In Flight At The Aeronut Message-ID: <199904162344.QAA12824@danube.cisco.com> What kind of setup where you using? FL, slide? Speed? Bracket? These are really good photos. David At 07:33 PM 4/16/99 -0400, you wrote: >Hi all: > >Point your browsers to: > >http://members.aol.com/aerialnut/f3f.html > >and take a look at the five air-to-air shots of my favorite biplane. Took >them Wednesday out at Chino from a DC-3 (RK got to go, too, and he has video >on that gaggle of photographers in the DC-3 - once they know he's got it he's >going to be rich!) > >Cheers, > >Tom Cleaver > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 18:52:45 -0500 From: Matthew E Bittner To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: HR Models Message-ID: <19990416.185247.-822317.1.mbittner@juno.com> Received a box from Silverbird today (Thanks, Ivan!) and thought I would post a short synopsis of each kit, from worst to best. Nieuport 24/27: This is a modified copy of the Revell kit, so it still has all the Revell mistakes. Upper wing's sweepback not great enough, no exhaust channel and the rear fuselage isn't deep enough. You can tell it's a copy of the Revell because it contains the same mold marks a Revell kit does. Plus I placed one fuselage half against the other side of a Revell fuselage, and they match perfectly. While the "new" tail parts are nice, I was hoping for a more accurate Nie.24/27. Total bummer. This kit contains decals consisting of stars for a Russian machine. Nieuport 16: Although it appears not to be a copy, this suffers the same flaws the Toko kit does, so they must have been working from the same drawings. Again, not enough sweepback on the upper wing, and the lower wing is too small in span. However, the fuselage also contains errors, like the access doors on the front, forward fuselage are both the same shape - and too big - and like Toko, they call it a Nie.16 but it does not have a headrest. Again, a total bummer. No decals in this kit. I personally would like to know what drawings HR and Toko worked against. Breguet 14 A.2: Awesome! This is a great kit. While it contains plenty of flash to remove, the parts are very exquisite. I was worried when I ordered this that the resin wings wouldn't work, and I would have to replace them with the Wings72, well, um wings. I don't think I will have to. While I still worry about "resin sag", the wings are very useable. Nice and thin trailing edges, with only a minimum of warpage. Cockpit sides contain nice molded in detail; unfortunately, the sides are awfully thick. While I don't think it will present a problem, I'm still skeptical. Decals in this kit consist of Extratech (I think) Czech flag decals. A bit old and yellowish, but that doesn't really matter since it will be a French bird. Am I upset I acquired these? Well, no. I have no problems correcting the mistakes with the Nieuports. Heck, I'm used to it. ;-) Yes, I am disappointed with the Nieuports because one of these days I would like to build an *accurate* 1/72nd Nieuport out of the box. Not yet, unfortunately. The best is by far the Breguet. This is going to look so awesome next to the Strutter! :-) Matt Bittner ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 19:51:25 EDT From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: OT - F3F-2 In Flight At The Aeronut Message-ID: In a message dated 99-04-16 19:45:42 EDT, you write: << What kind of setup where you using? FL, slide? Speed? Bracket? These are really good photos. >> Thanks. It was my first flight with the new (to me) Pentax ME with 50mm lens. I set it to shoot f/16 at 1/125 using 100asa print film. And an eye with 25 years' experience. :-) Tom Cleaver ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 18:57:58 -0500 From: "Charles and Linda Duckworth" To: Subject: Re: Second Try at Decal Question Message-ID: <001001be8864$f69f6160$4a9259d8@cnlduckwor> Where's Mr. Duckworth when you need him? I was out of town on business (I could get alot more modeling done if Y2K wasn't in the way). If I understand the original problem I also had some decals like this; try cutting out 'one' of the decals, place in warm soapy water for 20-30 minutes, the decal should float off the paper and you should be able to remove the paper stuck on top of the decal with a soft brush if it doesn't float off as well. Charlie ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 18:53:54 -0700 (PDT) From: peter crow To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: OT - F3F-2 In Flight At The Aeronut Message-ID: <19990417015354.15204.rocketmail@web703.mail.yahoo.com> --- Albatrosdv@aol.com wrote: > Hi all: > > Point your browsers to: > > http://members.aol.com/aerialnut/f3f.html > What great photos... thanks Tom for giving us a look. P.Crow... waiting for AMs upcoming releases _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 11:55:29 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Lorzenge Questions Message-ID: Diego, > I have the 1/72 SIGN kit and the painting > instructions says that only the undercarriage "wing" and > horizontal tail surfaces are covered with loz. fabric. I don't know about the yellow but I'd be highly sceptical of the application of lozenge to the plywood faired undercarriage wing. Tony Fokker was not noted for wasting money and IIRC I have never seen a photo of a D.VIII which undeniably had loz over the fairing Shane ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 22:23:48 -0500 From: kevinkim@interlog.com (Kevin & Kimberley) To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Second Try at Decal Question Message-ID: >Where's Mr. Duckworth when you need him? > >I was out of town on business (I could get alot more modeling done if Y2K >wasn't in the way). > >If I understand the original problem I also had some decals like this; try >cutting out 'one' of the decals, place in warm soapy water for 20-30 >minutes, the decal should float off the paper and you should be able to >remove the paper stuck on top of the decal with a soft brush if it doesn't >float off as well. > >Charlie Charlie, Thanks for the advice. I'm going to try your suggestion. I'm not so sure it's "paper" that's on the decal surface. To my eye, it looks more like the surface of the decal is marred, and has become "cloudy" in a mottled pattern. But what do I know? I'll try your method and report back. Thanks! Kevin Barrett. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 22:34:28 EDT From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: OT - F3F-2 In Flight At The Aeronut Message-ID: <49ab50c3.24494d34@aol.com> In a message dated 99-04-16 21:54:09 EDT, you write: << waiting for AMs upcoming releases >> Don't hold yourbreath or you will turn purple. I talked with Bill Bosworth yesterday, and they are not yet in production, which means the earliest would be sometime in August. Tom Cleaver ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 20:05:48 -0700 From: Mike Fletcher To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: HR Models Message-ID: <3717FA8C.10BC3F0F@mars.ark.com> re:> Nieuport 24/27: This is a modified copy of the Revell kit, so it still has all the Revell mistakes. Upper wing's sweepback not great enough, no exhaust channel and the rear fuselage isn't deep enough. You can tell it's a copy of the Revell because it contains the same mold marks a Revell kit does. Plus I placed one fuselage half against the other side of a Revell fuselage, and they match perfectly. While the "new" tail parts are nice, I was hoping for a more accurate Nie.24/27. Total bummer. This kit contains decals consisting of stars for a Russian machine. Sweepback was variable and based on the weight of the engine so that a heavier engine had less sweep, and so the 17/21/23 each had different angles. There is a problem if top and bottom wings don't match up. Bummer about the rear fuselage and engine trough not being fixed. Does the kit still have the fabric texture? -- Mike Fletcher ___ ., mdf@mars.ark.com |-\|^----! ; mikef@sparc.nic.bc.ca |--n--""*" icq=19554083 @ ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 1539 **********************