WWI Digest 1528 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) RE: Albatros D.V fabric orientation by Shane Weier 2) RE: Albatros D.V fabric orientation by Shane Weier 3) Re: 46 Sqd. Pups by Albatrosdv@aol.com 4) Re: Model Pics by Albatrosdv@aol.com 5) Re: The Spider Web-T.D.Hallam by Pedro e Francisca Soares 6) Re: Painting- entire or pieces? by Pedro e Francisca Soares 7) Nice pictures for naval buffs by Pedro e Francisca Soares 8) cutting circles by Pedro e Francisca Soares 9) RE: cutting circles by "Dr. Phillip Anz-Meador" 10) Re: cutting circles by "Mark Shanks" 11) Re: Model Pics by Matthew E Bittner 12) Re: Pictures of WWI prototypes available by Matthew E Bittner 13) Re: Nice pictures for naval buffs by peter crow 14) Re: N.American list gathering by DavidL1217@aol.com 15) Re: Albatros D.V fabric orientation by "cameron rile" 16) Re: Model Pics by "Charles and Linda Duckworth" 17) RE: Albatros D.V fabric orientation by Shane Weier 18) Re: Albatros D.V fabric orientation by bucky@ptdprolog.net 19) Re: Albatros D.V fabric orientation by bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) 20) Re: cutting circles by Dennis Ugulano 21) Re: Model Pics by Dennis Ugulano 22) Re: cutting circles by Mike Fletcher 23) Re: Avro 504K at Camp Borden by mgoodwin@ricochet.net 24) Re: pic of French aeroplane clock by Bob Pearson 25) Re: 46 Sqd. Pups by Bob Pearson 26) Wire sizes by "Satin, Michael N. (SHEP)" 27) Re: Model Pics by Chris Cato 28) Re: Wire sizes by Chris Cato 29) Off-Topic Equipment by Allan Wright 30) BM SE-5a by "Sandy Adam" 31) Re: Wire sizes by Albatrosdv@aol.com 32) Morane-Saulnier Type L by Matthew E Bittner ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 07:01:16 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Albatros D.V fabric orientation Message-ID: Phillip, > yes, i knew you knew that, but if you needed a citation that > was it. there you go... > Thanks - put my short tempered reply down to being posted at 2am after being roused from my bed at 12:30 to solve a problem neither of my making, nor of my responsibility. Blasted work, the curse of the modelling man. Shane ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 07:04:33 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Albatros D.V fabric orientation Message-ID: Diego, > >As far as D.III's, all I can say that > >loz on a D.III is pretty rare. > > > I saw a profile by there (man, how I HATE being so far from > my books!) that > shows a DIII with lozenged wings. Remember that DIII > production didn't stop > even after the introduction of the Alb DV, so, it's possible > although I > concede that improbable that an Alb DIII fresh from the > factory had Lozenge > fabric covering on its wings. Another possibility is to have > a new fabric > covering of the wings on the field. I guess that ground crew > members were > happier with the pre-painted fabric than painting the two or > three colour > camouflage on the linen from the start. > D. > As you note, the D.III did persist in manufacture for quite some time, and I'm sure i've seena few late ones which have loz fabric - and probably other which have been re-covered. Frankly, D.III finishes are starting to give me a headache :-( Green/Mauve or three colour or loz or ..... Mmmm. Time to build something in nice subtle PC.10 Shane ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 17:41:05 EDT From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: 46 Sqd. Pups Message-ID: <463046e9.243bd971@aol.com> In a message dated 99-04-06 09:33:47 EDT, you write: << B.) what color the "B1727" was on the vertical stabilizer... it's a dark color outlined with white (red would be neat), and >> Given that Lee's Pup had a serial in black outlined in white, at least according to the file given me by Bob Pearson, I would suspect a similar color for this one. BTW: "Chin Chow" looks great on the Eduard Pup. Tom Cleaver ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 17:39:00 EDT From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Model Pics Message-ID: <88bc0bb6.243bd8f4@aol.com> Not bad at all! The Eduard particularly, if it was the first you did after laying off all those years. Tom Cleaver ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 Apr 1999 20:59:35 +0100 From: Pedro e Francisca Soares To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: The Spider Web-T.D.Hallam Message-ID: <370A67A7.6473DC19@mail.telepac.pt> graham.nash@citicorp.com wrote: > I have an ex-library copy of the captioned book available for the princely sum > of US$1 including overseas p&p. > Funny....first ever book I read about WW1.... and mine was cheaper :-) came in a bundle of 2nd hand books my dad got at an auction... .... just a thought Pedro ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 Apr 1999 21:09:04 +0100 From: Pedro e Francisca Soares To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Painting- entire or pieces? Message-ID: <370A69DF.B258C2EB@mail.telepac.pt> bucky@ptdprolog.net wrote: > Robert > After reading some of the replies, I thought I'd add a little to my earlier > post. I also usually leave off the cowl until afterwards. BUT be sure to dry fit the cowl before and DON'T ever take for granted that it'll fit perfectly ok. Lately I've stumbled into this sort of trouble very often. For instance, I'm building a Revell Camel and I had to get a cowling from an airfix pup that I had to adapt (not perfect, but couldn't find a better alternative) because the kit part was much wider than the fuselage section. 20 eurocents from sunny Portugal (27 Centigrade.....) Pedro ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 Apr 1999 22:57:38 +0100 From: Pedro e Francisca Soares To: WW1 modeling list Subject: Nice pictures for naval buffs Message-ID: <370A8352.A0468BE9@mail.telepac.pt> Gang, the War Times Journal website has some very nice pictures of turn of the century war vessels, some of them more than probably ended up being used in the nastiness we keep learning about... surf on to http://www.wtj.com/pl/pages/archives.htm Pedro ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 Apr 1999 23:00:08 +0100 From: Pedro e Francisca Soares To: WW1 modeling list Subject: cutting circles Message-ID: <370A83E7.A25D314A@mail.telepac.pt> Gang, What's the best way of cutting masking film circles when you don't have a blade attachement on your compasses? TIA Pedro ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 17:26:46 -0500 From: "Dr. Phillip Anz-Meador" To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: cutting circles Message-ID: <01BE8052.A6734B80.panz-meador@vsti.com> you can get a "circle gauge" at art/drafing supply stores. basically a template for perfect circles, with various sizes (yours might vary in diameter in steps of 1 mm). for your purposes, you might search for a metal one, then just use in concert with an Xacto knife. HTH, phillip -----Original Message----- From: Pedro e Francisca Soares [SMTP:pnsoares@mail.telepac.pt] Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 1999 5:13 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: cutting circles Gang, What's the best way of cutting masking film circles when you don't have a blade attachement on your compasses? TIA Pedro ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 14:28:18 -0700 From: "Mark Shanks" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: cutting circles Message-ID: <199904062227.PAA23300@mailhost.fltdyn.com> Pedro Soares asks: > What's the best way of cutting masking film circles when you don't have > a blade attachement on your compasses? I must have 5-6 circle templates that I've gotten from office supply and artists' supply stores. I use a #11 X-Acto and carefully draw around the appropriate template - it's how I always do wheels and RAF markings. (Finding a template for a 1/32 Spitfire took a couple of shopping stops.....) Mark mshanks@fltdyn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 17:34:17 -0500 From: Matthew E Bittner To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Model Pics Message-ID: <19990406.173424.-902637.3.mbittner@juno.com> On Tue, 6 Apr 1999 09:30:09 -0400 (EDT) Chris Cato writes: >Although I post rarely (if ever!) to this list I thought folks might >be >interested in what I've worked on over the last year or so that I've >been a >member. All inspiration I owe to those here who have been generous >with >their pictures, information, tips, resources, etc. Pics of and >Eduard >Pfalz, Dako S.XVI, and Toko Snipe are up at: Great job! Keep up the wonderful work. More! Matt Bittner ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 17:24:40 -0500 From: Matthew E Bittner To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Pictures of WWI prototypes available Message-ID: <19990406.173424.-902637.2.mbittner@juno.com> On Tue, 6 Apr 1999 02:33:22 -0400 (EDT) "Richard Caudron" writes: >Hi Guys, >Based on your tips, I did bought a digital JVC camera to fix milion >of >pixels from my favorites build models, and to add to yours through the >net >and the list. >So, I did start with a few of my WWI airplanes : The Prototypes (All >1/72). >Anyone who is interested in one of the following models can contact >me >off-list, and I will send to him back the selected(s) pictures. >The airplanes : >* DFW 28 Floh, Classic Planes, Vaccu >* Duffaux Fighter, ????, Vaccu >* Caproni Pensuti Tri, Rosemont, Resin Why not post them on Al's page? I think we *all* would like to see them. Seriously. Matt Bittner ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 15:37:54 -0700 (PDT) From: peter crow To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Nice pictures for naval buffs Message-ID: <19990406223754.12080.rocketmail@web703.mail.yahoo.com> Thanks Pedro... I liked seeing these... thanks for pointing them out.. P. Crow > > the War Times Journal website has some very nice > pictures of turn of > the century war vessels, some of them more than > probably ended up being > used in the nastiness we keep learning about... > > surf on to http://www.wtj.com/pl/pages/archives.htm > > > Pedro > > > > > > _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 18:33:22 EDT From: DavidL1217@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: N.American list gathering Message-ID: <1f10b5fb.243be5b2@aol.com> This year, I will be at the IPMS Natils in Orlando and plan to be at the OTF in Pensacola next year! David Layton ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 19:26:36 -0300 From: "cameron rile" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Albatros D.V fabric orientation Message-ID: <199904061627372@cameron.prontomail.com> >I guess that ground crew members were >happier with the pre-painted fabric than painting the two or three >colour camouflage on the linen from the start. Did any Albatros's escape from the factory without getting painted or without printed fabric and end up in a frontline unit in CDL? cam AFC page : http://members.xoom.com/PointCook/index.htm ______________________________________________________________ Get Your Free E-mail and Homepage at http://www.prontomail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 18:53:34 -0500 From: "Charles and Linda Duckworth" To: Subject: Re: Model Pics Message-ID: <007701be8088$bc945d60$af5ddfd1@cnlduckwor> Chris, very nice work thanks for sharing with us. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 09:37:16 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Albatros D.V fabric orientation Message-ID: Cam, > >I guess that ground crew members were > >happier with the pre-painted fabric than painting the two or > >three colour camouflage on the linen from the start. > > > Did any Albatros's escape from the factory without getting painted > or without printed fabric and end up in a frontline unit in CDL? I really hate to say "never", but I'm entirely unable to recall any Albatrii *D* types in CDL aside from prototypes. Having saud that someone will no doubt immediately prove what a goose I am ! Shane ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 Apr 1999 21:08:09 -0400 From: bucky@ptdprolog.net To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Albatros D.V fabric orientation Message-ID: <370AAFF9.46BA0C22@ptdprolog.net> cameron rile wrote: Did any Albatros's escape from the factory without getting painted > or without printed fabric and end up in a frontline unit in CDL? > Not exactly what you were looking for, but the Austro-Hungarian Albatros often came out this way. Mike Muth ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 20:23:12 -0700 (PDT) From: bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Albatros D.V fabric orientation Message-ID: <199904070323.UAA28334@compass.OregonVOS.net> cam wrote: > >>I guess that ground crew members were >>happier with the pre-painted fabric than painting the two or three >colour camouflage on the linen from the start. >Did any Albatros's escape from the factory without getting painted >or without printed fabric and end up in a frontline unit in CDL? The photo of the D.II prototype seems to show CDL on the wings so at least one "escaped" from the factory without getting painted. But, as that one was unarmed, it seems doubtful that it would have shown up in a frontline unit. All the operational Albatri seem to display wings with various colored dope camouflage though - or lozenge in the case of some D.Vs. Cheers and all, -- Bill Shatzer - bshatzer@orednet.org "You don't need a weather man to know which way the wind blows." -Bob Dylan- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 00:03:15 -0400 From: Dennis Ugulano To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Re: cutting circles Message-ID: <199904070003_MC2-70D3-CBA7@compuserve.com> Predo, >> What's the best way of cutting masking film circles << I use a circle template and a straight pin. Place the template over your tape and go round and round with the pin until its cut. Dennis Ugulano email: Uggies@compuserve.com http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/uggies Page Revised 3/26/99 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 00:09:36 -0400 From: Dennis Ugulano To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Re: Model Pics Message-ID: <199904070012_MC2-70CF-9CAF@compuserve.com> Chris, Excellent models. Good to have you back modelling after such a long lay off. Doesn't look like the layoff affected your building skills. Keep up the good work. Dennis Ugulano email: Uggies@compuserve.com http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/uggies Page Revised 3/26/99 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 Apr 1999 21:28:04 -0700 From: Mike Fletcher To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: cutting circles Message-ID: <370ADED4.8653FE03@mars.ark.com> > What's the best way of cutting masking film circles < Olfa sells a purpose built circle cutter that works great for up to 3" diameter circles, and it does not change sizes while you are using it either. It should be in the 5-$8 range, from most drafting/graphic art supply stores -- Mike Fletcher ___ ., mdf@mars.ark.com |-\|^----! ; mikef@sparc.nic.bc.ca |--n--""*" icq=19554083 @ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Apr 1999 09:20:45 -0700 From: mgoodwin@ricochet.net To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Avro 504K at Camp Borden Message-ID: <370B85DD.6D56@ricochet.net> Brad Gossen wrote: > > > Does anyone have anything in particular they'd like a close-up of on this type? Bomb racks under wings, if any. Riordan ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 03:11:00 -0700 From: Bob Pearson To: WW1 Mailing list Subject: Re: pic of French aeroplane clock Message-ID: <199904071011.DAA00830@mail.rapidnet.net> > What the hell is this? I thought you were on vacation. > So I may just have a Voss D-III for the WWI issue of IM. I'll let you > know by the 15th. > E. Only for the weekend . . and I still haven't caught up on my email. Bill Bacon has my sympathies having 3000 to wade through. Bob ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 03:13:08 -0700 From: Bob Pearson To: WW1 Mailing list Subject: Re: 46 Sqd. Pups Message-ID: <199904071013.DAA00864@mail.rapidnet.net> Checking my 46 Sqn profiles I see varying serial styles ... B1777 black w/white outline a/c '4'; Chin-chow A7327 white serial a/c '1'; skull crossbones on wheel covers B1719 white serial a/c '4'; red/white wheel covers Regards, Bob Pearson Visit my WW1 aviation page at http://members.xoom.com/Sopwith_5F1 Managing Editor / Internet Modeler http://www.avsim.com/mike/awn/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 07:12:10 -0600 From: "Satin, Michael N. (SHEP)" To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: Wire sizes Message-ID: <5DA4C4BE65D9D111A6FC0060081FD2189E7436@SNEFFELS> OK, I've seen a lot of messages go winging their way about this list concerning the latest wire vs. sprue vs. thread for rigging controversy. I have gotten a Small Parts catalogue and am going to make an order. One thing which I haven't clearly gotten from all of this is what size of wire to get. I do 1/48 (the correct scale ;->) and have an odd 1/32 and 1/28 scale kits as well. Mostly RFC/RNAS. What do you all think? Hi ho! Michael Satin ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Apr 1999 09:22:27 -0400 From: Chris Cato To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Model Pics Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19990407092227.009e19a0@mail.connix.com> Thanks to everyone for the complements! It is always encouraging to hear from people who produce such great models! Although I can look at each one of these models and see things still to be done or done better I am quite happy with them and enjoyed the process of getting them together throughly. SO...with that in mind... I'm trying to finish up 3 models for a contest in 2 weeks. Something tells me I won't be able to get them all done so I'm going to push ahead on the Albatros D.Va. I'm doing this one up as Eduard von Schleich's black and lozenge bird from the recent OTF article. I've got suitable crosses from various Americal/Gryphon sheets but I need to try and determine what kind of propeller it had and if possible what the manufacturer's logo for that prop was. I've got a selection of prop manufacturer logos from the Americal Jasta 5 sheets (Glen Merrill has gotten much of my money since this summer) but I just got an Alps printer and am dying to try it out. Does anyone have any additional details of this Albatros machine? Chris Cato tcato@connix.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Apr 1999 09:30:16 -0400 From: Chris Cato To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Wire sizes Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19990407093016.009c9630@mail.connix.com> At 09:12 AM 4/7/99 -0400, you wrote: > > >OK, I've seen a lot of messages go winging their way about this list >concerning the latest wire vs. sprue vs. thread for rigging controversy. I >have gotten a Small Parts catalogue and am going to make an order. One >thing which I haven't clearly gotten from all of this is what size of wire >to get. I do 1/48 (the correct scale ;->) and have an odd 1/32 and 1/28 >scale kits as well. Mostly RFC/RNAS. What do you all think? > >Hi ho! > >Michael Satin > > Michael, I ordered .007 music wire ( R-SWM-007 ) for my 1:48 kits from Small Parts and I love it. Their service was exceptional. I mailed my order in on a Thursday and had my order on Tuesday. I've found the wire easy to cut and it holds its shape quite well. I can cut it to length and bend it slightly to 'pop' it into place - I've found it much sturdier that the .006 brass I had used and there is no need to straighten it like .007 or .008 guitar strings. Note that unless you tell them otherwise Small Parts has a policy of shipping all available items in your order immediatly and sending anything back ordered as they receive it. In my one experience with them they did not charge me additional shipping for the second shipment. No affiliation just happy with the service, Chris Cato tcato@connix.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 09:40:13 -0400 (EDT) From: Allan Wright To: wwi Subject: Off-Topic Equipment Message-ID: <199904071340.JAA11017@pease1.sr.unh.edu> This is only partially off-topic, since you could use this for WWI modeling. I'm going to buy a miniature table saw for cutting model wood to dimention for diorama buildings, etc. for modeling. I really wanted to get the Dremmel brand one, but it's out of production. Does anyone have any experience with any of the 'off brands' offered in the Micro Mart catalog? -Al =============================================================================== Allan Wright Jr. | You fell victim to one of the 'classic' blunders! University of New Hampshire+--------------------------------------------------- Research Computing Center | WWI Modeling mailing list: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Internet: aew@unh.edu | WWI Modeling WWW Page: http://pease1.sr.unh.edu =============================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 17:16:08 +0100 From: "Sandy Adam" To: "AAA - WW1 Group" Subject: BM SE-5a Message-ID: <199904071615.RAA14996@beryl.sol.co.uk> How does Chris Gannon fire these new models out so quickly? I haven't got time for an in-depth review but basically the new SE is what you would expect from CG. Beautiful detail moulding, choice of two front fuselages, lots of lovely little metal bits, interiors etc - and the exhaust pipe brackets are gems! Nice transfers. But - the wing ripple is there, only this time it's on the undersurface! - and the most annoying fault that keeps reappearing with BM kits - the leading edges and trailing edges (and some other bits) are slightly deficient in plastic which means there are little crevices that will need to be filled and/or sanded; so losing some of the crisp detail. If it had been perfect I would probably have bought a squadron - but one BM will keep me happy until the Eduard offering next Millennium. Sandy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 12:09:52 EDT From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Wire sizes Message-ID: <97c7c539.243cdd50@aol.com> In a message dated 99-04-07 09:13:41 EDT, you write: << OK, I've seen a lot of messages go winging their way about this list concerning the latest wire vs. sprue vs. thread for rigging controversy. I have gotten a Small Parts catalogue and am going to make an order. One thing which I haven't clearly gotten from all of this is what size of wire to get. I do 1/48 (the correct scale ;->) and have an odd 1/32 and 1/28 scale kits as well. Mostly RFC/RNAS. What do you all think? Hi ho! Michael Satin >> .008" looks good on 1/48 - it might be oversize for the scale, but getting smaller makes it hard to see. Tom Cleaver ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 12:38:40 -0500 From: Matthew E Bittner To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Morane-Saulnier Type L Message-ID: <19990407.123841.-787785.2.mbittner@juno.com> Just received an HR Models (Hora) MoS Type L resin kit - in 1/72nd - in the mail today. Thought I would give a short synopsis of the kit. Resin is well done. Little to no airholes (in fact, I haven't found any yet on the larger parts) and it's very crisply molded - which is good with these flat, slab-sided Morane's. Everything is supplied - in resin. Unfortunately one of the "W", landing gear struts (molded like the Revell MoS Type N and Temeks MoS Type I) came broken. No biggee, I think Barry's MoS landing gear struts will work. This one actually comes with decals! The MoS Type N I bought a few years ago didn't. In fact, I think a number of the newer releases even come with photoetch. Outline wise - and to be quick about it - I place the wing and fuselage halves against the Datafile drawings. The wing is slightly underspan (not enough to fix, luckily) and spot on in chord. Unfortunately it is too thick. Way too thick. Bummer too, because HR's treatment of the rib tapes is well done. Ah well... I will only remove resin from the top. The fuselage appears to represent the earlier, short nose variant. I haven't checked to see what would be needed to build it into the longer nose, but it's really not a problem - and maybe not noticeable to those less anal then me. :-) All in all a very nice kit, one that may move forward on the production line (so, say, 2002 instead of 2003 ;-)). Highly recommended. Much nicer than the 12 Squared kit (which I have two of ). Building it into the Pfalz variant should be easy for those Deutschphiles out there. Matt Bittner nb: Last of the Strutter decals today! Upper wing on soon! ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 1528 **********************