WWI Digest 1523 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Bye-bye by Bob Pearson 2) Re: Internet Modeler by bucky@ptdprolog.net 3) Re: Internet Modeler by Bob Pearson 4) RE: Internet Modeler by Shane Weier 5) R-planes book going cheap.... by Zulis@aol.com 6) R-planes book - part II by Zulis@aol.com 7) Painting- entire or pieces? by "R. Godfrey" 8) Re: Painting- entire or pieces? by "Charles and Linda Duckworth" 9) Re: Painting- entire or pieces? by "Bill Neill" 10) Re: Painting- entire or pieces? by Ernest Thomas 11) Done..Done..Finished..done..done... by "Steven M. Perry" 12) Re: Done..Done..Finished..done..done... by KarrArt@aol.com 13) Re: Done..Done..Finished..done..done... by "Steven M. Perry" 14) Re: Done..Done..Finished..done..done... by Ernest Thomas 15) Re: Done..Done..Finished..done..done... by "Steven M. Perry" 16) Re: Painting- entire or pieces? by Matthew E Bittner 17) Hanriot HD.3 by Matthew E Bittner 18) SPAD 11 by Matthew E Bittner 19) Re: SPAD 11 by Zulis@aol.com 20) pic of French aeroplane clock by Zulis@aol.com 21) Re: Hanriot HD.3 by Suvoroff@aol.com 22) Steel wire rigging questions by Suvoroff@aol.com 23) More stupid questions I ought to be able to figure out for myself... by Suvoroff@aol.com 24) Re: Painting- entire or pieces? by bucky@ptdprolog.net 25) Re: Painting- entire or pieces? by bucky@ptdprolog.net ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 10:41:17 -0800 From: Bob Pearson To: WW1 Mailing list Subject: Bye-bye Message-ID: <199904021841.KAA08183@mail.rapidnet.net> Greetings all, I am headed off for a nice relaxing weekend at an island 45 miles south of here. . lots of friends, drink, food, drink, music .... did I mention drink? in any case I'll reply to any messages that I have overdue upon my return as my ride just pulled up. ttyl, Bob ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Apr 1999 11:45:18 -0500 From: bucky@ptdprolog.net To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Internet Modeler Message-ID: <3704F41E.BA70E4F1@ptdprolog.net> I tried that one and got March Issue. Mike Muth Albatrosdv@aol.com wrote: > Alternatively, try this URL, which will take you direct to the table of > contents without seeing the great cover Chris made. > > http://www.avsim.com/mike/awn/apr99/contents.htm > > Tom Cleaver > Sr. Editor IM ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 10:58:15 -0800 From: Bob Pearson To: WW1 Mailing list Subject: Re: Internet Modeler Message-ID: <199904021858.KAA08701@mail.rapidnet.net> Curioser and curiouser .. .. try http://www.avsim.com/mike/awn/index.html I have tried all the combinations mentioned and I keep getting the April issue ... have you tried to refresh? Bob ---------- > From: bucky@ptdprolog.net > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: Internet Modeler > Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 13:32:11 -0500 (EST) > > I tried that one and got March Issue. > Mike Muth > > Albatrosdv@aol.com wrote: > > > Alternatively, try this URL, which will take you direct to the table of > > contents without seeing the great cover Chris made. > > > > http://www.avsim.com/mike/awn/apr99/contents.htm > > > > Tom Cleaver > > Sr. Editor IM > > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Apr 1999 06:35:13 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Internet Modeler Message-ID: Tom says: > Alternatively, try this URL, which will take you direct to > the table of > contents without seeing the great cover Chris made. > > http://www.avsim.com/mike/awn/apr99/contents.htm > Ahah! Got it, got it! Still no joy at the front page address though. Looks more like a link is bust than server problems though. Michael Kendix' Snipe is ruddy nice - now I'll give the OT stuff a quick squiz before breakfast. Shane ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 16:12:40 EST From: Zulis@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: R-planes book going cheap.... Message-ID: <614990ea.24368cc8@aol.com> Happy Easter to all! I was wandering through ebay and noticed that the German R-Planes book is being auctioned off. Amazingly, the price is at $10 right now (which would be quite some bargain) but I do note that the seller has a reserve so, by the time the reserve is met, it may not be as cheap. However, this one doesnt seem to be available often, so a list member might be interested. http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=83273800 FYI Dave Zulis ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 16:13:45 EST From: Zulis@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: R-planes book - part II Message-ID: Sorry - realized just as I sent it that I forgot to mention that the auction ends in four hours.... Dave Z ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Apr 1999 16:37:05 -0600 From: "R. Godfrey" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Painting- entire or pieces? Message-ID: <4.1.19990402160804.0095a350@pop.sound.net> Greetings Group, I'm back with another "what's your opinion and tricks" question. How or when do you paint your A/C? Do you complete the fuselage, wings and tail section before painting or do you paint the fuselage, wings and tail section separately? Right now I'm into a 1/72 DH4 and it appears that if I put it all together there will be big problems masking the different fuselage colors as well as the upper and lower wing colors. I realize doing the parts separately makes problems when they are put together getting the seams, etc. filled and sanded, but it might be easier to touch up those spots than to do all that masking for at least 4 different colors. That's not to mention the difficulty getting the underside of the upper wing above the cockpit airbrushed neatly. Doing it in pieces might also allow doing some of the inside rigging in advance that is so hard to reach when the wings are on. I've usually put all the main parts together and then mask and spray as necessary, but in some cases I wonder if some of you do it otherwise. I'd appreciate your comments. In a related vein, do most of you peel off the masking tape as soon as the paint looses its sheen so the paint edge can flow a bit to avoid hard raised paint line ridges? If not how do you avoid them? In scale, they'd be about 1-2 inches thick! Thanks for your help (again), Bob G. ___________________ RG-KC-US rgodfrey@sound.net ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 21:18:33 -0600 From: "Charles and Linda Duckworth" To: Subject: Re: Painting- entire or pieces? Message-ID: <000801be7d80$aac3d800$a55ddfd1@cnlduckwor> Bob, I build the interior and engine compartment, then put the fuselage halves together with the horizonal and vertical tail and rudder and attach the bottom wing. This allows me to putty (Dr. Micro) any seams that don't belong or the are misplaced by the manufacturer. But I'm careful not to fill all the seams as I'm not building a metal riveted P-40, pictures are important to define joined or mated surfaces and with some of the early Eduard kits one will even add some scribed lines that are missing. Stuff the interior and engine areas with tissue to keep the overspray out. For a PC10 a/c I spray CDL first and mask with drafting tape, next spray the PC10. I wait maybe 10-15 minutes and remove the tape. The CDL has been dry for several days before applying the tape. To keep the raised ridges from forming keep your PC10 paint as thin as possible and lay down thin coats. I then glue the top wing on and rig with .005 fishing line. Drafting tape is available at art supply stores and is thinner and has less glue than masking tape. A reference book I've used is 'Scratchbuilding' for painting and staging construction. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 19:27:24 -0800 From: "Bill Neill" To: Subject: Re: Painting- entire or pieces? Message-ID: <003201be7d81$fae027c0$a538c0d8@bill> More and more I incline toward the subassembly process. Break the subject down into bits, build and finish those bits, then assemble. For the Brisfit abuilding, the sequence looks like... finish the fuselage and tail stuff, except for rigging. finish the lower wing and u/c, except for wheels. assemble and rig finish upper and lower wing surfaces. Will it work? Wait and see! :-0 Bill Neill >I'm back with another "what's your opinion and tricks" question. How or >when do you paint your A/C? Do you complete the fuselage, wings and tail >section before painting or do you paint the fuselage, wings and tail >section separately? > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Apr 1999 21:40:41 -0600 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Painting- entire or pieces? Message-ID: <37058DB9.986@bellsouth.net> R. Godfrey wrote: > > Greetings Group, > > I'm back with another "what's your opinion and tricks" question. How or > when do you paint your A/C? Do you complete the fuselage, wings and tail > section before painting or do you paint the fuselage, wings and tail > section separately? > Howdy there Bob, This isn't gonna help you one bit. For me, it varies from model to model. A silver pfalz will be built to the point of needing wheels, prop, and a top wing. Then it gets it's silver coat. The checkerboard DrI had every part painted seperatley, then assembled. The Alb.D-III has the tail feathers on and is about to get painted and decaled before the wings are attached. The only thing I do on most every bipe is have the whole thing completely painted before I put on the top wing. Then finishing is usually just a matter of rigging and touchup after top wing is put on. Ymmv... E. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Apr 1999 23:46:23 -0500 From: "Steven M. Perry" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Done..Done..Finished..done..done... Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19990402234623.0074c2dc@pop.mindspring.com> Finally finished the Passchendaele/Eduard D.III->D.II conversion. An enjoyable project, my thanks to Passchendaele for a fine conversion kit. I highly recommend it. I have several photo options open and hope to have pictures soon. sp ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Apr 1999 00:25:02 EST From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Done..Done..Finished..done..done... Message-ID: In a message dated 4/2/99 8:54:17 PM Pacific Standard Time, smperry@mindspring.com writes: << Finally finished the Passchendaele/Eduard D.III->D.II conversion. An enjoyable project, my thanks to Passchendaele for a fine conversion kit. I highly recommend it. I have several photo options open and hope to have pictures soon. sp >> mE AM STiLL slugging away- got the D I style trestle made and mounted tonight, along with the guns and the little odd panel that covers the area between the guns that almost doesn't show up in any sources, but exists nonetheless! Shot some experimental color on the wings- I don't like it- gotta go remix and fiddle. The olive shade in the two tone scheme is different from the shade in the three color scheme according to DanSan Abbot- it looks like it's a bit lighter. Congrats and yes- let's see pics! Robert K. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 03 Apr 1999 00:46:33 -0500 From: "Steven M. Perry" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Done..Done..Finished..done..done... Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19990403004633.007557e0@pop.mindspring.com> >mE AM STiLL slugging away- got the D I style trestle made and mounted >tonight, along with the guns and the little odd panel that covers the area >between the guns that almost doesn't show up in any sources, but exists >nonetheless! Oh... twist that knife. The pain! The pain! You could have waited to mention that till EtH had finished his too ;-) Shot some experimental color on the wings- I don't like it- >gotta go remix and fiddle. The olive shade in the two tone scheme is >different from the shade in the three color scheme according to DanSan Abbot- >it looks like it's a bit lighter. > Congrats and yes- let's see pics! Soon as I get some sp ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 03 Apr 1999 01:44:46 -0600 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Done..Done..Finished..done..done... Message-ID: <3705C6EE.5EC2@bellsouth.net> Steven M. Perry wrote: > > >mE AM STiLL slugging away- got the D I style trestle made and mounted > >tonight, along with the guns and the little odd panel that covers the area > >between the guns that almost doesn't show up in any sources, but exists > >nonetheless! > > Oh... twist that knife. The pain! The pain! You could have waited to > mention that till EtH had finished his too ;-) > So is this odd little panel a feature found only on the D-I, or would my D-III have one too? Tell me please BEFORE IT"S TOO LATE! E. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 03 Apr 1999 07:37:58 -0500 From: "Steven M. Perry" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Done..Done..Finished..done..done... Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19990403073758.00759468@pop.mindspring.com> At 02:45 AM 4/3/99 -0500, you wrote: >Steven M. Perry wrote: >> >> >mE AM STiLL slugging away- got the D I style trestle made and mounted >> >tonight, along with the guns and the little odd panel that covers the area >> >between the guns that almost doesn't show up in any sources, but exists >> >nonetheless! >> >> Oh... twist that knife. The pain! The pain! You could have waited to >> mention that till EtH had finished his too ;-) >> >So is this odd little panel a feature found only on the D-I, or would my >D-III have one too? Tell me please BEFORE IT"S TOO LATE! Make him suffer Robert, better yet, offer to sell him the reference ;-) sp ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Apr 1999 07:56:40 -0600 From: Matthew E Bittner To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Painting- entire or pieces? Message-ID: <19990403.075929.-857881.0.mbittner@juno.com> On Fri, 2 Apr 1999 20:35:05 -0500 (EST) "R. Godfrey" writes: >I'm back with another "what's your opinion and tricks" question. How >or >when do you paint your A/C? Do you complete the fuselage, wings and >tail >section before painting or do you paint the fuselage, wings and tail >section separately? I assemble as much as possible. In other words, the lower wings, horizontal tail and fin. However, I do leave off most of the "extra parts". I will paint the cowl separate if the color of the cowl is different than the rest of the plane. Almost always the upper wing is painted separate as well. Since I finished the Strutter in French five-color, yes it was a pain to mask, but I would have rather dealt with the seams - especially the lower wing to fuselage joints - before painting, as too much paint would have been "ruined". Just takes more - and better - planning. >In a related vein, do most of you peel off the masking tape as soon as >the >paint looses its sheen so the paint edge can flow a bit to avoid hard >raised paint line ridges? If not how do you avoid them? In scale, >they'd >be about 1-2 inches thick! Since I use acrylics, for all intents and purposes, the paint is dry after I airbrush. Almost immediately. What I usually do is remove the tape after I clean my airbrush (for acrylics, this means using a bathroom's sink to wash the parts out). That can be anywhere from three to ten minutes later, depending on how "dirty" the airbrush is. Matt Bittner ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Apr 1999 08:21:12 -0600 From: Matthew E Bittner To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Hanriot HD.3 Message-ID: <19990403.082350.-858693.0.mbittner@juno.com> Well, turns out I'm still looking for Hanriot HD.3 info, if anybody knows of any. The only I have - and know of - is in the FMP book. TIA! Matt Bittner nb: Man, Sop 287 ALPS decals look so cool! ;-) ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Apr 1999 08:23:48 -0600 From: Matthew E Bittner To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: SPAD 11 Message-ID: <19990403.082350.-858693.1.mbittner@juno.com> I'm about to start Barry's SPAD 11, and am still interested in finding references. I purchased an old C&C off of Graham (thanks, Graham!!) that has some great pics of US SPAD 11's, but it's never enough, is it? :-) I have the FMP book (duh!), copies of the Harlyford plans, Wylam's drawings and the WW1 Aero issues that had some limited plans. Anything else would be greately appreciated. Matt Bittner ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Apr 1999 09:39:48 EST From: Zulis@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: SPAD 11 Message-ID: <5937a2bb.24378234@aol.com> In a message dated 4/3/1999 9:21:28AM, Matt enquired: << I'm about to start Barry's SPAD 11, and am still interested in finding references. I purchased an old C&C off of Graham (thanks, Graham!!) that has some great pics of US SPAD 11's, but it's never enough, is it? :-) I have the FMP book (duh!), copies of the Harlyford plans, Wylam's drawings and the WW1 Aero issues that had some limited plans. Anything else would be greately appreciated. >> The only thing I can add is a profile of a French Spad XI in Munson's bomber book. It is over 20 years old, and you would probably know the accuracy of Munson's stuff better than I, but the more the merrier. Sorry - I dont have a scanner, but if you think it is worthwhile, perhaps another list member can help out there. Happy Easter, Dave Z ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Apr 1999 09:44:11 EST From: Zulis@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: pic of French aeroplane clock Message-ID: <5132cc59.2437833b@aol.com> A current ebay item includes a pic of an instrument panel clock from a French aeroplane, claiming to be from WWI. For the detail types, this might interest you. http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?MfcISAPICommand=ViewItem&item=8612273 6 Regards, Dave Z ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Apr 1999 09:55:11 EST From: Suvoroff@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Hanriot HD.3 Message-ID: "Matt Bittner nb: Man, Sop 287 ALPS decals look so cool! ;-)" Hey, Matt, can I have the file for my own ALPS? I am going to be doing some French 1 1/2 Strutters one of these days...if I ever finish this Albatros. Yours, James D. Gray ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Apr 1999 10:05:51 EST From: Suvoroff@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Steel wire rigging questions Message-ID: <5e5f282d.2437884f@aol.com> I was originally intending to finish my Eduard Albatros D.Va rigging by finishing the wing interior surfaces, drilling and stringing invisible thread, and then finishing the outer surfaces. However, I got carried away and finished ALL the wing surfaces and I don't think I can manage that technique without destroying the finish, so I now plan to use the famous steel-wire-in-the-holes trick (you know, drill two holes on either end and glue the wire in) so the question here is, how do you get such a wire taut? Especially the wire, swiped from a DML SPAD, has a natural curve to it. Yours, James D. Gray ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Apr 1999 10:00:41 EST From: Suvoroff@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: More stupid questions I ought to be able to figure out for myself... Message-ID: Well, after spraying the Eduard Albatros D.Va wings I have given them about twenty or more very thin coats of Future. (The Polly S paint was very, very flat, almost like 1000 grit sandpaper, and I did not want to risk any drips.) However, while the finish as a whole looks quite nice, I have an excessive number of inclusions in the Future, you know, dust particles, tiny frizzy lint things, etc, which are not apparent at a foot but closer up don't look good. Is it possible to sand this stuff flat without destroying the finish? What grits would you recommend? Is there any way I can prevent this from happening in the first place? Yours, James D. Gray ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 03 Apr 1999 11:09:42 -0500 From: bucky@ptdprolog.net To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Painting- entire or pieces? Message-ID: <37063D46.5178C670@ptdprolog.net> Robert What I've been doing is gluing the fuselage and lower wing together along with the horizontal stabilizer. Then I paint them. I paint the top wing and the rudder seperately and apply them after everything is dry. As far as masking lines, are you airbrushing or spray painting or hand painting? I'm just starting to get used to the airbursh, but it doesn't seem to leave a noticeable line. HTH Mike Muth R. Godfrey wrote: > Greetings Group, > > I'm back with another "what's your opinion and tricks" question. How or > when do you paint your A/C? Do you complete the fuselage, wings and tail > section before painting or do you paint the fuselage, wings and tail > section separately? > > Right now I'm into a 1/72 DH4 and it appears that if I put it all together > there will be big problems masking the different fuselage colors as well as > the upper and lower wing colors. I realize doing the parts separately > makes problems when they are put together getting the seams, etc. filled > and sanded, but it might be easier to touch up those spots than to do all > that masking for at least 4 different colors. That's not to mention the > difficulty getting the underside of the upper wing above the cockpit > airbrushed neatly. Doing it in pieces might also allow doing some of the > inside rigging in advance that is so hard to reach when the wings are on. > > I've usually put all the main parts together and then mask and spray as > necessary, but in some cases I wonder if some of you do it otherwise. I'd > appreciate your comments. > > In a related vein, do most of you peel off the masking tape as soon as the > paint looses its sheen so the paint edge can flow a bit to avoid hard > raised paint line ridges? If not how do you avoid them? In scale, they'd > be about 1-2 inches thick! > > Thanks for your help (again), > > Bob G. > > > > ___________________ > RG-KC-US > rgodfrey@sound.net ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 03 Apr 1999 11:19:18 -0500 From: bucky@ptdprolog.net To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Painting- entire or pieces? Message-ID: <37063F86.9CCE0357@ptdprolog.net> Robert After reading some of the replies, I thought I'd add a little to my earlier post. I also usually leave off the cowl until afterwards. The reason I don't put the rudder on and then paint is my difficulty in decaling. I have enough trouble getting the decal to mold itself around the adge so that there isn't a CDL or PC-10 edge . So, I paint the rudder seperately and then apply the decals. Then, after I'm happy with them, I glue it to the fuselage, If the decal later chips, etc, at least I have the airplane color underneath it. Mike Muth nb: Dutch 1 1/2 Strutter(1/72 Cool, but weird camo scheme...gotta get this done sone for my returning exchange student from Amsterdam!) Hanriot HD1 drool......(Eduard kit, Coppens markings) ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 1523 **********************