WWI Digest 1512 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Some interesting data by KarrArt@aol.com 2) Re: Cutting control surfaces by Pedro e Francisca Soares 3) Re: Some interesting data by "Douglas R. Jones" 4) Re: FW: Early Cross and Cockade US for swap or sale. by Pedro e Francisca Soares 5) Re: Getting the Boot by Dave Watts 6) Anyone able to help this guy? by Shane Weier 7) Re: Some interesting data by "David Vosburgh" 8) Argh!! Revisited by "David Vosburgh" 9) Re: pitot tube by "David Vosburgh" 10) Poll Bomber was:Some interesting data by "Steven M. Perry" 11) Re: Some interesting data by KarrArt@aol.com 12) Re: pitot tube by KarrArt@aol.com 13) Re: pitot tube by "Lee J Mensinger" 14) Re: pitot tube by Mike Fletcher 15) Re: pitot tube by Mike Fletcher 16) Re: Bertrab's D.III (was Re: Windsock 15/2 and DF74) by Bob Pearson 17) Re: pitot tube by "David Vosburgh" 18) I think I have been bumped! by Brent & Tina Theobald 19) Halberstadt CL.II fuselage bottom color(s) by "Charles and Linda Duckworth" 20) Re: Do you remember? by Paul Gabert 21) RE: Argh!! Revisited by "John C Glaser" 22) A. Fokker (was change from E-V to D VIII) by REwing@aol.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 16:56:08 EST From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Some interesting data Message-ID: In a message dated 3/25/99 1:39:36 PM Pacific Standard Time, bigglesrfc@globalserve.net writes: << Robert wrote: >a real (repro) 1/1 in the strafing scene! No kidding!? I'd love to see that again. Do you know whose replica that was? Was it filmed in the US or Europe? Brad >> It was filmed (I think ) in Southern California, and the D VII was Javier Arango's ex-Blue Max. Robert K. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 21:33:50 +0000 From: Pedro e Francisca Soares To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Cutting control surfaces Message-ID: <36FAABBE.86B7BC39@mail.telepac.pt> Ashley9862@aol.com wrote: > I have a way to cut control surfaces quickly and effectively.....like dropping > the surfaces on the Eduard Hannover in about 1 minute for each > surface.....sewing thread. > > Here's what I do.... > SNIP > > Candice I've tried this several times and always ended up with wavy cuts.... I wish I had mastered the technique because it is very fast... my 20 eurocents Pedro ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 16:26:12 -0600 From: "Douglas R. Jones" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Some interesting data Message-ID: <4.1.19990325162421.00aa91f0@mail.iex.com> At 03:13 PM 3/25/99 -0500, Brad wrote: >Robert wrote: > >> There was a fictional airplane heavily based on the Poll in one episode >of >the Young Indiana Jones TV series. > > Alas this show was cancelled on Canadian network television some years >ago after only one season. At Aerodrome '94 in Alabama I spoke with a >fellow who was part of a scouting film crew that was filming the WW1 >replicas in an effort to determine which would be more economical to use, >the 1:1 replica or smaller R/C replicas, in an upcoming episode of Young >Indiana Jones which of course never aired in Canada (at least not on any >channel I can get). Are these episodes available on video? The only one I >can recall seeing involved young Indy as a dispatch rider being pursued >along a road near Verdun by a Fokker DVII (a very convincing R/C job). I'd >truly love to see a scale treatment of the Poll. For one of the YIJ episodes they used some models built from Proctor kits (as well as a couple of scratch built models) flown by the Proctor folks. I don't remember which episode it was. I suspect you could called Proctor (they are in Oregon, I believe) and they would have more details. Doug ---------------------------------------------------------- 'I am a traveler of | Douglas R. Jones both Time and Space' | IEX Corporation Led Zeppelin | (214)301-1307 | djones@iex.com ---------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 22:00:41 +0000 From: Pedro e Francisca Soares To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: FW: Early Cross and Cockade US for swap or sale. Message-ID: <36FAB208.1A1BC137@mail.telepac.pt> graham.nash@citicorp.com wrote: > Hi, all. > Great to see you back, Uncle Your devoted nephew Pedro ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 17:41:44 -0500 From: Dave Watts To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Getting the Boot Message-ID: Me! Dave Watts It happens about every two months. Al said that it may happen if my ISP is having troubles with connections to the internet. That may be possible. I'm usually so busy, it takes a while to set in that I'm missing out. Since I run a mail order train shop and answer all of the E-mail from our web site, along with the fact that I am a member of three train chat groups, and the "aerodrome forum" group makes for a busy day, (and night). Glad to see the ol' boys again. I've been busy posting Mercedes info, (as usual), over at http://www.theaerodrome.com/cgi-bin/forum/index.shtml you all might want to check it out. You will have to look under "previous 25 listings". Like any other group, you have the range of posters, making for an interesting mix. Best, Dave W. At 02:45 PM 3/24/99 -0500, you wrote: >> I keep getting un subscribed automatically. .... > >Who said that? >Sandy > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 09:07:45 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi'" Subject: Anyone able to help this guy? Message-ID: Hello all, Gleaned from rec.models.scale this morning. He isn't a list member but should be! Shane =============================================== Hello, I'm developing a few scratchbuilt projects of WWI a/c. and looking for Windsock Datafiles and Windsock Specials publications. They are hardly available in Poland where I come from. Any reasonable condition is accepted. Would be mostly obliged for if I could borrow or purchase them. Model kits, publications, decals ect. from Poland ( available localy at much lower prices ) could be the subject of exchange, as well. Please, send offers to krezelk@friko6.onet.pl Thanks in advance for any help. Regards, Krzysztof Krężel 131 IPMS Poland - Gdynia ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 19:11:18 -0500 From: "David Vosburgh" To: Subject: Re: Some interesting data Message-ID: <002901be771d$2db758a0$1dd690d0@Pvosburg> Hi Brad This episode, called "Young Indy and the Revenge of the Hawkmen" is one of my son's favorite tapes... he's watched it at least three dozen times. YI meets Nungesser, joins the Escadrille Lafayette (who for some bizarre Hollywood reason are flying two-seaters), and becomes an observer before getting involved with Mata Hari and blowing up both a Zeppelin base and the Poll Triplane... you get the picture. I just about fell off my chair when I saw the Poll come flying out of a cloud. They obviously used the Keith Woodcock painting on the cover of the 25th Anniversary WWI Aero for most of their inspiration, but talk about OBSCURE!! I don't own either a TV or VCR. I have to rely on my Dad for access to both, but with a bit of persuasion I think I can get him to dub you a copy of it if you want. It might be a couple of weeks, but if you supply me with a snail mail address I'll do my best to get it up to you --- if you'd like, that is. Also let me know if you want the WWI Aero article and I'll copy it and stick it in as well. Regards, Dave -----Original Message----- From: Brad Gossen To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Thursday, March 25, 1999 3:31 PM Subject: Re: Some interesting data >Robert wrote: > >> There was a fictional airplane heavily based on the Poll in one episode >of >the Young Indiana Jones TV series. > > Alas this show was cancelled on Canadian network television some years >ago after only one season. At Aerodrome '94 in Alabama I spoke with a >fellow who was part of a scouting film crew that was filming the WW1 >replicas in an effort to determine which would be more economical to use, >the 1:1 replica or smaller R/C replicas, in an upcoming episode of Young >Indiana Jones which of course never aired in Canada (at least not on any >channel I can get). Are these episodes available on video? The only one I >can recall seeing involved young Indy as a dispatch rider being pursued >along a road near Verdun by a Fokker DVII (a very convincing R/C job). I'd >truly love to see a scale treatment of the Poll. > >Brad > >---------- >> From: KarrArt@aol.com >> To: Multiple recipients of list >> Subject: Re: Some interesting data >> Date: Thursday, March 25, 1999 2:23 PM >> >> In a message dated 3/25/99 11:19:33 AM Pacific Standard Time, >> bigglesrfc@globalserve.net writes: >> >> << Imperial German Navy's 'Poll' bomber of 1918 which >> was intended for this purpose (only in the other direction). >> Just to keep on topic does anyone know of an attempt to model this >> monster? I seem to recall an article about it in WW1 Aero some time ago >but >> I don't seem to have the issue. I know there is a 3-view in The German >> Giants. >> >> Brad >> BigglesRFC@globalserve.net >> >> >> >> There was a fictional airplane heavily based on the Poll in one episode >of the >> Young Indiana Jones TV series! It was blown up in the finale as I recall. >> Robert K. > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 19:20:57 -0500 From: "David Vosburgh" To: "WWI Mailing List" Subject: Argh!! Revisited Message-ID: <001701be771e$8554bd40$12d690d0@Pvosburg> I did it again, troops. This has to be some kind of record... getting to wear the Doofus Hat twice in one week. All I can say in my own feeble defense is that I've racked up 560 commuter miles so far this week on 26 hours of sleep. Sorry, Al. Sorry, List. I'll be good and check my address line from now on, I promise --- and Brad, what I MEANT to say was that I'd lend you my original copies of the aforementioned references, of course. DV ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 19:26:05 -0500 From: "David Vosburgh" To: Subject: Re: pitot tube Message-ID: <002e01be771f$3d8d1420$12d690d0@Pvosburg> We should make a rule that no more PhDs can be on the list. My head hurts looking at this stuff. Does anyone recall that Einstein designed an airfoil of triangular section which was tested on an LVG (I think)? It was an utter failure. DV (I think I got this posting thing figured out now!) -----Original Message----- From: mkendix To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Thursday, March 25, 1999 4:28 PM Subject: Re: pitot tube >Peter: > >OK. Sounds reasonable to me. You calculate the constant at ground >level, given the mass and solve for V taking the positive root, thus: > >V = [2*(K - P)/rho]**0.5 > >where K is the calculated constant used to calibrate the calculation. > >Michael > >mkendix@worthen.ihcrp.georgetown.edu > >On Thu, 25 Mar 1999, fedders wrote: > >> >> >> On Thu, 25 Mar 1999, mkendix wrote: >> >> > What is a pitot tube a how does itork? w >> > >> > Michael >> > >> > >> > mkendix@worthen.ihcrp.georgetown.edu >> > >> > >> This is a little complex unless you have some education in fluid >> mechanics. The basic principle is the same as lift. >> >> basically: >> (1/2) rho V**2 + P is constant where rho is mass per unit volume of the >> fluid (air), V is velocity, and P is pressure. Thus as the velocity of >> air increases, the pressure decreases. Thus the top of the airfoil leads >> to a larger velocity and a lower pressure - thus lift. >> >> The pitot tube works on the same principle. it measures a pressure >> difference between air in the stream and air at rest and you can get a >> velocity from this. >> >> sorry its so involved >> >> peter >> >> >> > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 19:20:06 -0500 From: "Steven M. Perry" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Poll Bomber was:Some interesting data Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19990325192006.006d8bec@pop.mindspring.com> I have copies of an article Called The New York Bomber, which is about the Poll. If you're interested in looking at them, give me a holler Off-List sp ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 19:11:02 EST From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Some interesting data Message-ID: In a message dated 3/25/99 2:28:44 PM Pacific Standard Time, djones@iex.com writes: << For one of the YIJ episodes they used some models built from Proctor kits (as well as a couple of scratch built models) flown by the Proctor folks. I don't remember which episode it was. I suspect you could called Proctor (they are in Oregon, I believe) and they would have more details. Doug >> Windsock had a small article about these models a few years ago. That episode featured Strutters and Albatros- the models looked pretty good- the model Strutters being far more convincing than the full size mockups that the actors cavorted on. Robert K. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 19:37:22 EST From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: pitot tube Message-ID: In a message dated 3/25/99 4:25:53 PM Pacific Standard Time, dave@vga- graphics.com writes: << Does anyone recall that Einstein designed an airfoil of triangular section which was tested on an LVG (I think)? It was an utter failure. >> Yep- I remember reading one report that said this was possibly the least efficient airfoils ever flown! Robert K. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 18:43:56 -0600 From: "Lee J Mensinger" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: pitot tube Message-ID: <36FAD84B.3A6C21A9@wireweb.net> And we now know everything we need to know about pitot tubes, except to never touch one on a more modern plane right after the plane lands. Many are electrically heated and will sear you to the bone. Real old planes were not heated. I am not real sure when the original pitot came into use. It could have been WWI but I do not know. Lee David Vosburgh wrote: > We should make a rule that no more PhDs can be on the list. My head hurts > looking at this stuff. > > Does anyone recall that Einstein designed an airfoil of triangular section > which was tested on an LVG (I think)? It was an utter failure. > > DV > (I think I got this posting thing figured out now!) > > -----Original Message----- > From: mkendix > To: Multiple recipients of list > Date: Thursday, March 25, 1999 4:28 PM > Subject: Re: pitot tube > > >Peter: > > > >OK. Sounds reasonable to me. You calculate the constant at ground > >level, given the mass and solve for V taking the positive root, thus: > > > >V = [2*(K - P)/rho]**0.5 > > > >where K is the calculated constant used to calibrate the calculation. > > > >Michael > > > >mkendix@worthen.ihcrp.georgetown.edu > > > >On Thu, 25 Mar 1999, fedders wrote: > > > >> > >> > >> On Thu, 25 Mar 1999, mkendix wrote: > >> > >> > What is a pitot tube a how does itork? w > >> > > >> > Michael > >> > > >> > > >> > mkendix@worthen.ihcrp.georgetown.edu > >> > > >> > > >> This is a little complex unless you have some education in fluid > >> mechanics. The basic principle is the same as lift. > >> > >> basically: > >> (1/2) rho V**2 + P is constant where rho is mass per unit volume of the > >> fluid (air), V is velocity, and P is pressure. Thus as the velocity of > >> air increases, the pressure decreases. Thus the top of the airfoil leads > >> to a larger velocity and a lower pressure - thus lift. > >> > >> The pitot tube works on the same principle. it measures a pressure > >> difference between air in the stream and air at rest and you can get a > >> velocity from this. > >> > >> sorry its so involved > >> > >> peter > >> > >> > >> > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 17:38:26 -0800 (PST) From: Mike Fletcher To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: pitot tube Message-ID: it wasn't triangular - it had multiple crests, much like a series of waves, or like several aerofoils placed on top of each other. interesting idea but not well thought out (it was tested on an lvg though I am not sure which one - there was a neiuport derived monoplane that they built from info taken by schneider of gun synchro fame - it may have been it) mikef On Thu, 25 Mar 1999, David Vosburgh wrote: > We should make a rule that no more PhDs can be on the list. My head hurts > looking at this stuff. > > Does anyone recall that Einstein designed an airfoil of triangular section > which was tested on an LVG (I think)? It was an utter failure. > > DV > (I think I got this posting thing figured out now!) > > -----Original Message----- > From: mkendix > To: Multiple recipients of list > Date: Thursday, March 25, 1999 4:28 PM > Subject: Re: pitot tube > > > >Peter: > > > >OK. Sounds reasonable to me. You calculate the constant at ground > >level, given the mass and solve for V taking the positive root, thus: > > > >V = [2*(K - P)/rho]**0.5 > > > >where K is the calculated constant used to calibrate the calculation. > > > >Michael > > > >mkendix@worthen.ihcrp.georgetown.edu > > > >On Thu, 25 Mar 1999, fedders wrote: > > > >> > >> > >> On Thu, 25 Mar 1999, mkendix wrote: > >> > >> > What is a pitot tube a how does itork? w > >> > > >> > Michael > >> > > >> > > >> > mkendix@worthen.ihcrp.georgetown.edu > >> > > >> > > >> This is a little complex unless you have some education in fluid > >> mechanics. The basic principle is the same as lift. > >> > >> basically: > >> (1/2) rho V**2 + P is constant where rho is mass per unit volume of the > >> fluid (air), V is velocity, and P is pressure. Thus as the velocity of > >> air increases, the pressure decreases. Thus the top of the airfoil leads > >> to a larger velocity and a lower pressure - thus lift. > >> > >> The pitot tube works on the same principle. it measures a pressure > >> difference between air in the stream and air at rest and you can get a > >> velocity from this. > >> > >> sorry its so involved > >> > >> peter > >> > >> > >> > > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 17:39:55 -0800 (PST) From: Mike Fletcher To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: pitot tube Message-ID: the RFC were using them by 1917 at least, as Sop camels and Bristol Fighters often had them. On Thu, 25 Mar 1999, Lee J Mensinger wrote: > And we now know everything we need to know about pitot tubes, except to never > touch one on a more modern plane right after the plane lands. Many are > electrically heated and will sear you to the bone. Real old planes were not > heated. > > I am not real sure when the original pitot came into use. It could have been > WWI but I do not know. Lee > > David Vosburgh wrote: > > > We should make a rule that no more PhDs can be on the list. My head hurts > > looking at this stuff. > > > > Does anyone recall that Einstein designed an airfoil of triangular section > > which was tested on an LVG (I think)? It was an utter failure. > > > > DV > > (I think I got this posting thing figured out now!) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: mkendix > > To: Multiple recipients of list > > Date: Thursday, March 25, 1999 4:28 PM > > Subject: Re: pitot tube > > > > >Peter: > > > > > >OK. Sounds reasonable to me. You calculate the constant at ground > > >level, given the mass and solve for V taking the positive root, thus: > > > > > >V = [2*(K - P)/rho]**0.5 > > > > > >where K is the calculated constant used to calibrate the calculation. > > > > > >Michael > > > > > >mkendix@worthen.ihcrp.georgetown.edu > > > > > >On Thu, 25 Mar 1999, fedders wrote: > > > > > >> > > >> > > >> On Thu, 25 Mar 1999, mkendix wrote: > > >> > > >> > What is a pitot tube a how does itork? w > > >> > > > >> > Michael > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > mkendix@worthen.ihcrp.georgetown.edu > > >> > > > >> > > > >> This is a little complex unless you have some education in fluid > > >> mechanics. The basic principle is the same as lift. > > >> > > >> basically: > > >> (1/2) rho V**2 + P is constant where rho is mass per unit volume of the > > >> fluid (air), V is velocity, and P is pressure. Thus as the velocity of > > >> air increases, the pressure decreases. Thus the top of the airfoil leads > > >> to a larger velocity and a lower pressure - thus lift. > > >> > > >> The pitot tube works on the same principle. it measures a pressure > > >> difference between air in the stream and air at rest and you can get a > > >> velocity from this. > > >> > > >> sorry its so involved > > >> > > >> peter > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 17:52:30 -0800 From: Bob Pearson To: WW1 Mailing list Subject: Re: Bertrab's D.III (was Re: Windsock 15/2 and DF74) Message-ID: <199903260152.RAA09419@spare.rapidnet.net> Sandy writes . .. > > If Jacobsen's Albatros is the one I am thinking of, it was featured in OTF > a > > few years back in two stages of its painting. . before and after all the > > flowers were added > > Did they come to any conclusions re colours of this machine? Sandy In an article on Jacobsen in OTF 11/1, the author (Dieter Groschel) quotes Dan-San Abbott on the photo of Jacobsen's flower marked D.III "The dabbling on the fuselage are trumpet shaped petals with dark stamens with their surronunding leaves. After studying my book on perennial flowers, I have concluded that the fuselage is covered with white willow gentian flowers and their medium dark leaves! I have seen another picture of this Albatros D.III 2090/16 which is dated between 3 March and 30 May 1917 at which time the fuselage was not decorated with the flowers, only the suspect that the photograph was at Guesnain Airfield between 23 June and 12 July 1917." I will do profiles of this D.III in both before and after appearances in the near future and would ask anyone with a clear image of 'white willow gentian flowers and their medium dark leaves' to please send it along. Regards, Bob Pearson Visit my WW1 aviation page at http://members.xoom.com/Sopwith_5F1 Managing Editor / Internet Modeler http://www.avsim.com/mike/awn/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 21:12:52 -0500 From: "David Vosburgh" To: Subject: Re: pitot tube Message-ID: <002301be772e$2999d160$05d690d0@Pvosburg> I went and dug out the WWI Aero (No. 118, Feb. '88) with the Grosz Einstein article in it, and the airfoil is actually refered to as the 'cat's back airfoil', which looked like an squashed inverted vee --- displaying a 'pronounced mid-chord hump' as PG put it. Apparently it was tested on an LVG C.II sometime around 1916, but according to the test pilot it flew like a pregnant duck. The good Professor admitted years later that it was the idea of someone who, in his words, "...thinks a lot but but reads little." Another obscure footnote to WWI av history. DV -----Original Message----- From: Mike Fletcher To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Thursday, March 25, 1999 8:57 PM Subject: Re: pitot tube >it wasn't triangular - it had multiple crests, much like a series of >waves, or like several aerofoils placed on top of each other. interesting >idea but not well thought out (it was tested on an lvg though I am not >sure which one - there was a neiuport derived monoplane that they built >from info taken by schneider of gun synchro fame - it may have been it) > >mikef > >On Thu, 25 Mar 1999, David Vosburgh wrote: > >> We should make a rule that no more PhDs can be on the list. My head hurts >> looking at this stuff. >> >> Does anyone recall that Einstein designed an airfoil of triangular section >> which was tested on an LVG (I think)? It was an utter failure. >> >> DV >> (I think I got this posting thing figured out now!) >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: mkendix >> To: Multiple recipients of list >> Date: Thursday, March 25, 1999 4:28 PM >> Subject: Re: pitot tube >> >> >> >Peter: >> > >> >OK. Sounds reasonable to me. You calculate the constant at ground >> >level, given the mass and solve for V taking the positive root, thus: >> > >> >V = [2*(K - P)/rho]**0.5 >> > >> >where K is the calculated constant used to calibrate the calculation. >> > >> >Michael >> > >> >mkendix@worthen.ihcrp.georgetown.edu >> > >> >On Thu, 25 Mar 1999, fedders wrote: >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> On Thu, 25 Mar 1999, mkendix wrote: >> >> >> >> > What is a pitot tube a how does itork? w >> >> > >> >> > Michael >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > mkendix@worthen.ihcrp.georgetown.edu >> >> > >> >> > >> >> This is a little complex unless you have some education in fluid >> >> mechanics. The basic principle is the same as lift. >> >> >> >> basically: >> >> (1/2) rho V**2 + P is constant where rho is mass per unit volume of the >> >> fluid (air), V is velocity, and P is pressure. Thus as the velocity of >> >> air increases, the pressure decreases. Thus the top of the airfoil leads >> >> to a larger velocity and a lower pressure - thus lift. >> >> >> >> The pitot tube works on the same principle. it measures a pressure >> >> difference between air in the stream and air at rest and you can get a >> >> velocity from this. >> >> >> >> sorry its so involved >> >> >> >> peter >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 21:04:25 -0800 From: Brent & Tina Theobald To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: I think I have been bumped! Message-ID: <36FB1558.9F1B8F95@airmail.net> Hey! Either everybody is REALLY busy building their aircraft instead of staring at their PC's or I have been bumped. I don't have the address for the website that had the information to subscribe on it. Can someone reply back to me with the proper address? Some instructions to receive the digest version would be nice too. I never was able to get that to work. Anyhow, I am off to the workbench. The Ilya awaits! Brent ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 21:23:30 -0600 From: "Charles and Linda Duckworth" To: "ww1list" Subject: Halberstadt CL.II fuselage bottom color(s) Message-ID: <003f01be7738$187be800$7c9259d8@cnlduckwor> Sorry if this has been covered before, but am wondering if someone can help me out with the color of the bottom of the Halberstadt CL.II's fuselage. Rimmel in DF No. 27 advises a white or light blue was used on the prototype, the Ministry of Munitions on CL.II 15342/15 advises "...belly of the fuselage was coloured yellow throughout". I seem to recall reading somewhere that the 'yellow' was the wood color of the fuselage being varnished. Due to the shadows on the fuselage I can see the sharp contrast between the dark sides and the bottom but not well enough to see a wood grain as with some of the Albatros photos. For those who have walked down this path before how did you finish your CL.II underside? Thanks, Charlie ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 22:49:15 -0500 From: Paul Gabert To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Do you remember? Message-ID: <36FC553B.D72E3EE8@cpis.net> Diego Fernetti wrote: > Hi list > I was wondering about the Punch & Die tool mass purchasing project. Is > anyone still interested? Has anyone a contact with Waldron or other > manufacturer/distributor? Just asking. > D. Diego, I am still interested. I assume others are also. I don't know if any further action has been taken. Paul G. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 22:12:35 -0600 From: "John C Glaser" To: Subject: RE: Argh!! Revisited Message-ID: Only 560 miles? That's nothing more than commuting! I had over 4,800 last week alone :) One BIG reason I don't do much modeling! - John (another frequent traveler) -----Original Message----- From: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu [mailto:wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu]On Behalf Of David Vosburgh Sent: Thursday, March 25, 1999 6:20 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Argh!! Revisited I did it again, troops. This has to be some kind of record... getting to wear the Doofus Hat twice in one week. All I can say in my own feeble defense is that I've racked up 560 commuter miles so far this week on 26 hours of sleep. Sorry, Al. Sorry, List. I'll be good and check my address line from now on, I promise --- and Brad, what I MEANT to say was that I'd lend you my original copies of the aforementioned references, of course. DV ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 23:37:38 EST From: REwing@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: A. Fokker (was change from E-V to D VIII) Message-ID: <475cd006.36fb0f12@aol.com> Shane wrote, << Getting back to Fokker and Weyls, it has become a widely held opinion that Fokker was an absolute a***hole. Much, though not all, of this is directly attributable to AR Weyls now largely discredited biography. I expect that the truth of the matter is somewhere between Fokker's own account and Weyls. >> I'm glad someone has started this thread on Anthony Fokker. About a month ago, woman I work with saw me reading " The Red Baron Combat Wing" by Kilduff. She asked if I knew about Anthony Fokker. I must have looked surprised, because she said that her uncle (mother's brother) was his right hand man here in the states. She said that Fokker was over at her grandmother's quite often for dinner and social deals. She said that she had a picture that Fokker gave to her grandmother and she would bring me a scan of it. She did! It is a *signed* pen and ink drawing of a cantilevered seaplane with two radial engines mounted on top. There is a gunner in the "bow" of this very stylized aircraft as it flies towards the viewer over a lighthouse. There are two people watching the aircraft from shore. My coworker is under the impression that Fokker drew this for her grandmother. Her uncle's name was Carter Tiffany and he and Fokker ran around the New York area together. She told me that Fokker and Tiffany were trying out a new speed boat on the Hudson River when it virtually disintegrated. The newspapers reported that they both were killed in the accident. She remembers her mother getting a telegram from her Uncle Carter stating that he and Fokker were still alive. I had never heard of these stories and must admit that my knowledge of Fokker is very, very, limited. I thought that some of you may find this interesting. -Rick- (still reading the book!!!) ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 1512 **********************