WWI Digest 1502 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: The Illustrated Red Baron, by Peter Kilduff by Matthew E Bittner 2) Re: Pre WWI kits by Pedro e Francisca Soares 3) Re: Kruten's/Kazakov's Nieuport marking by Pedro e Francisca Soares 4) Re: Vickers Vimy by "David R.L. Laws" 5) Re: Kruten's/Kazakov's Nieuport marking by Mike Fletcher 6) Re: Vickers Vimy by mkendix 7) Happy Vamp Customer by kevinkim@interlog.com (Kevin & Kimberley) 8) Re: Kruten's/Kazakov's Nieuport marking by Matthew E Bittner 9) Re: Pre WWI Kits by "Brad Gossen" 10) Re: Pre WWI Kits by "Brad Gossen" 11) Off-Topic: de St. Exupery by "David Vosburgh" 12) yippee!!! by KarrArt@aol.com 13) Re: Off-Topic: de St. Exupery by Zulis@aol.com 14) Re: Vickers Vimy by bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) 15) Re: Hopelessly off-topic, but still of note by "Bill Neill" 16) Re: "The Aeronut" updated by "Bill Neill" 17) RE: "The Aeronut" updated by Shane Weier 18) Re: "The Aeronut" updated by "Bill Neill" 19) Not quite off-topic by Mick Fauchon 20) Re: Pre WWI Kits by REwing@aol.com 21) Re: Off-Topic: de St. Exupery by Albatrosdv@aol.com 22) Re: Kruten's/Kazakov's Nieuport marking by peter crow 23) Re: Vickers Vimy by "David R.L. Laws" 24) Re: "The Aeronut" updated by "David R.L. Laws" 25) Re: Off-Topic: de St. Exupery by "Sandy Adam" 26) Re: Vickers Vimy by "Sandy Adam" 27) RE: To ko Strutter by "Diego Fernetti" 28) Re: Pre WWI Kits by John & Allison Cyganowski 29) Re: Off-Topic: de St. Exupery by "Brad Gossen" 30) Re: yippee!!! by John & Allison Cyganowski ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 17:18:41 -0600 From: Matthew E Bittner To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: The Illustrated Red Baron, by Peter Kilduff Message-ID: <19990318.172833.-821941.4.mbittner@juno.com> On Thu, 18 Mar 1999 13:13:21 -0500 (EST) "Sandy Adam" writes: >Now lets have the next tome on something that needs this level of >attention >please Peter. Yea, like anything French. :-) Matt Bittner ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 22:10:22 +0000 From: Pedro e Francisca Soares To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Pre WWI kits Message-ID: <36F179CD.1E58C8D@mail.telepac.pt> Olaf Menze wrote: > Thanks for the quick reply, i think Steven will have an answer > to my first question. > But there seems to be confusion, if im a list member or not. > I think i am a list member - i got all your replies, my own mail > and all the other mails posted to the list! > > By the way, i am buying a Hasegawa Wright Flyer in these > days. Transaction is nearly complete! > > Olaf > > > Welcome Olaf and don't forget to check the Archives of Internet modeler. On issue n.1 there was an article on building the wright flyer IIRC. Um abraco Pedro ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 23:34:46 +0000 From: Pedro e Francisca Soares To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Kruten's/Kazakov's Nieuport marking Message-ID: <36F18D95.79F4563F@mail.telepac.pt> Mike Fletcher wrote: > Kazakov's markings are incorrect in two ways - first it should be clear > doped linen overall (the greyish russian version), and second, the > national markings should have white lines separating each colour - the > kit roundels are the type used on the 16, 17, 21 and 23 that were > imported from France, but it wasn't a type commonly found on the 11 > (especially from his unit). I cannot find the book that has his aircraft > in it, but it was a standard death or glory n.11, iirc. > -- > Mike Fletcher ___ ., > mdf@mars.ark.com |-\|^----! ; > mikef@sparc.nic.bc.ca |--n--""*" > icq=19554083 @ FWIW, Last issue of AVIONS (March) has a 9 page biography of Aleksandr Kosakov and it includes several photos one of it being the NI.11, of which there is also a colour profile (cdl overall with white skull and bones on black rudder , the roundels just as you say Mike AND blue top front fuselage panel (between the cabane struts). This comes in line with the blue on Guynemer's Nieuports that Avions is advocating. I couldn't find a reference on the guynemer book as to the blue except that the man himself is quoted as saying that he saw some german aircraft that was painted blue in much the same colour as the Nieuport he was flying. there's also a profile of a spad 7. off to bed now Pedro ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 10:12:26 +0000 From: "David R.L. Laws" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Vickers Vimy Message-ID: <36F2230A.6F72@webtime.com.au> There's a surviving Wellington ??!~! I thought the only one left had been pulled out of Loch Ness ?? Dad flew these over Europe, North Africa and Italy - Any chance of photographs ... PLEASE !!! david ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 16:37:12 -0800 (PST) From: Mike Fletcher To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Kruten's/Kazakov's Nieuport marking Message-ID: nifty - any chance of a scan? On Thu, 18 Mar 1999, Pedro e Francisca Soares wrote: > > > Mike Fletcher wrote: > > > Kazakov's markings are incorrect in two ways - first it should be clear > > doped linen overall (the greyish russian version), and second, the > > national markings should have white lines separating each colour - the > > kit roundels are the type used on the 16, 17, 21 and 23 that were > > imported from France, but it wasn't a type commonly found on the 11 > > (especially from his unit). I cannot find the book that has his aircraft > > in it, but it was a standard death or glory n.11, iirc. > > -- > > Mike Fletcher ___ ., > > mdf@mars.ark.com |-\|^----! ; > > mikef@sparc.nic.bc.ca |--n--""*" > > icq=19554083 @ > > FWIW, Last issue of AVIONS (March) has a 9 page biography of Aleksandr > Kosakov and it includes several photos one of it being the NI.11, of which > there is also a colour profile (cdl overall with white skull and bones on > black rudder , the roundels just as you say Mike AND blue top front fuselage > panel (between the cabane struts). This comes in line with the blue on > Guynemer's Nieuports that Avions is advocating. I couldn't find a reference > on the guynemer book as to the blue except that the man himself is quoted as > saying that he saw some german aircraft that was painted blue in much the > same colour as the Nieuport he was flying. > > there's also a profile of a spad 7. > > off to bed now > > Pedro > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 20:15:53 -0500 (EST) From: mkendix To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Vickers Vimy Message-ID: David: Is there a Wellinton at RAFM in Hendon? Michael mkendix@worthen.ihcrp.georgetown.edu On Thu, 18 Mar 1999, David R.L. Laws wrote: > There's a surviving Wellington ??!~! I thought the only one left had > been pulled out of Loch Ness ?? > > Dad flew these over Europe, North Africa and Italy - Any chance of > photographs ... PLEASE !!! > > david > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 22:08:49 -0500 From: kevinkim@interlog.com (Kevin & Kimberley) To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Happy Vamp Customer Message-ID: To the List, Just received a shipment from listmember Lubos Vinar of VAMP in the Czech Republic. Got a nice resin kit, 5 sets of Eduard photoetch and a decal sheet for $35US. Great deal. I would have easily spent double buying domesticly. Elapsed time from E-mail inquiry to delivery - under three weeks. Now, onto the kit. I got the Omega 1/72 Farman F.30. For those who haven't seen it, the resin is comparable to other Czech kits (HR, etc.), but without the bubbles, and it's much more complete, with plenty of detail parts. Nit-pickers will find the resin a little thick, but I think it is OK. The F.30 even comes with an option for skis! No decals, but a good instruction sheet. The big bonus is the price. This kit retails for over $20 in the States, but from Lubos, it was only $13 (if I remember right). Well, enough gushing. If you're wanting to mail order, but don't want to go all the way the the Czech Republic, Aviation World in Toronto just dropped the price on their Hawkeye Dr.Is again. This time to $21 Canadian - another good deal. Interesting on-topic discussions on the list for the past week. Keep it up. Kevin Barrett. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 21:29:25 -0600 From: Matthew E Bittner To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Kruten's/Kazakov's Nieuport marking Message-ID: <19990318.213138.-899959.2.mbittner@juno.com> On Thu, 18 Mar 1999 19:36:48 -0500 (EST) Mike Fletcher writes: >nifty - any chance of a scan? Ditto. Matt Bittner ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 22:30:49 -0500 From: "Brad Gossen" To: Subject: Re: Pre WWI Kits Message-ID: <199903190330.WAA29493@smtp2.globalserve.net> Someone I know swears they saw a Hallmark Jenny this past Christmas. Anyone know if it's available and what scale? Brad ---------- > From: K. Hagerup > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: Pre WWI Kits > Date: Thursday, March 18, 1999 12:42 PM > > Not exactly a kit, but Hallmark has announced a 1/72 Wright Flyer for > 1999. Their ~ 1/100 ornament wasn't too bad. > > Ken ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 22:37:54 -0500 From: "Brad Gossen" To: Subject: Re: Pre WWI Kits Message-ID: <199903190337.WAA29779@smtp2.globalserve.net> Sandy I would like some scans of these if possible. I have the Caudron G4, the Taube, the Caudron G3, the Neiuport 11, and the Bleriot IX 2. These are all amazing kits. Every so often I get them out, open them, stare slack-jawed and then carefully put them away again. Who knows, one day... Thanks Brad BigglesRFC@globalserve.net ---------- > From: Sandy Adam > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: Pre WWI Kits > Date: Thursday, March 18, 1999 11:56 AM > > I took some pictures of AJP models & their whole stand at the UK Nationals > last year - including M. Primaud himself!! (note the correct short form for > Monsieur, Bill!) > If you woulds like scans Olaf, let me know. The models are spectacular! > Sandy > > ---------- > > From: Olaf Menze > > To: Multiple recipients of list > > Subject: Pre WWI Kits > > Date: 18 March 1999 12:16 > > > > Thanks to all for the warm welcome! > > > > Especially to Bill Shatzer, Steven M. Perry and Richard Caudron > > for their quick and professional information! > > > > For all who are interested in these early types of planes: i dicovered > > a new source for such models and a few WWI planes too. > > > > It is a company called "AJP Maquettes" in France. > > They have a website: www.cr-poitou-charentes.fr/artisanat > > But there are only 3 pics on this page, so i ordered a catalogue > > from them. The catalogue is a disaster - only two sheets of copied > > paper with "painted" pics of some of the models. > > > > But the models seem to be good quality. (On the back is a photo > > of a halfbuilt Spirit of St.Louis and it looks very detailed!) > > > > They are all photo-etched and in 1/48 scale. > > These are the models with prices in French Franc: > > 14bis Santos Dumont - 521 FRS > > Antoinette - 680 FRS > > Morane Saulnier "H" - 270 FRS > > Demoiselle - 185 FRS > > Lilienthal Monoplane - 164 FRS > > Lilienthal Biplane - 189 FRS > > Deperdussin "Monocoque" - 314 FRS > > Avro Triplane 1909 - 292 FRS > > Avro Triplane 1910 - 324 FRS > > Blackburn - 303 FRS > > Bleriot XI "Manche" - 325 FRS > > Curtiss "Golden Flyer" - 261 FRS > > > > There are also planes from WWI: > > Also photo-etched and in 1/48 scale: > > Caproni CA3 - 1095 FRS > > Spad A2 - 390 FRS > > Caudron G3 "Hydro" - 460 FRS > > Bleriot XI Gouin - 340 FRS > > Bleriot XI 2 - 313 FRS > > Taube - 495 FRS > > Nieuport 11 "Bébé" - 243 FRS > > Caudron G3 - 332 FRS > > Bleriot XI 2 "Hydro" - 420 FRS > > Caudron G4 - 598 FRS > > > > They are accepting Visa and MasterCard and are shipping > > international. > > > > Has anyone ever built a plane from AJP Maquettes? > > Is it difficult to build photo-etched kits? I've never built one. > > > > Olaf > > > > > > P.S. I hope nobody thinks that this is advertising by me for > > this company - i have nothing to do with this company! Just > > thought that this information is of interest for some people in > > the list. > > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 22:42:45 -0500 From: "David Vosburgh" To: "WWI Mailing List" Subject: Off-Topic: de St. Exupery Message-ID: <001501be71ba$8dec9360$13d690d0@Pvosburg> Ever the one to be veering off-topic, I started re-reading "Wind, Sand & Stars" last night for the third or fourth time. Would anyone happen to know what sort of aircraft types AdS.E would've been flying during his stint as an airline pilot on the Toulouse-Dakar run circa 1926-34? I assume a Latecoere (sorry no accents) at least part of the time, but... ? Also, and I'd appreciate any input from our Gallic contingent, how does one actually pronounce Exupery? I've heard it pronounced every way from "Eu-pair-AY" to "Ucks-per-EE". I took three years of French en l'ecole, but can't figure it out. Merci in advance, Dave V. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 22:36:17 EST From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: yippee!!! Message-ID: Today I started my serious mental construction of the 1/48 Albatros D I, using the....ahem......Paaschendaele D II conversion kit and the Edurad D III. The conversion of the conversion should amount to a few changes in strutery and little else. I think I'll do something to indicate the half-ribs on the wings, but I don't what method I'll use yet. To make my life easy, I don't think I'll spend umpteen gazillion hours trying to track down any particular machine in service, instead I think I'll go for a semi-pristine ex-works job.(now if I had the numbers for a D I that Boelcke flew, I might go for that.)I also think I shall do one of the two-color camo planes, rather than the three- that and a yellowy fuselage. Yippee! Robert K. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 22:55:58 EST From: Zulis@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Off-Topic: de St. Exupery Message-ID: <7c8976c7.36f1cace@aol.com> In a message dated 3/18/1999 10:43:51PM, you write: << Also, and I'd appreciate any input from our Gallic contingent, how does one actually pronounce Exupery? I've heard it pronounced every way from "Eu-pair-AY" to "Ucks-per-EE". I took three years of French en l'ecole, but can't figure it out. >> I believe it is " Ex - u- pair - EE " but I cant remember from where I learned that. Dave Z ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 20:06:18 -0800 (PST) From: bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Vickers Vimy Message-ID: <199903190406.UAA09720@compass.OregonVOS.net> >There's a surviving Wellington ??!~! I thought the only one left had >been pulled out of Loch Ness ?? >Dad flew these over Europe, North Africa and Italy - Any chance of >photographs ... PLEASE !!! According to my listing, there is a Wellington Mk.X (s/n MF628) at the RAF museum in Hendon. I've never actually been there so I'm taking their word for it. To return to topic, there is also supposed to be a Vimy there but, alas, it is listed as "replica". Cheers and all, -- Bill Shatzer - bshatzer@orednet.org "You don't need a weather man to know which way the wind blows." -Bob Dylan- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 19:40:40 -0800 From: "Bill Neill" To: Subject: Re: Hopelessly off-topic, but still of note Message-ID: <005d01be71bd$0f3bfda0$3731c0d8@bill> I worked in Germany in the 1970s with a guy who used to fly FW200s in WW2 from Brest in France. He used to tell some tales... like the crew had an agreement not to take risks, so would set out on an anti shipping patrol, find a convenient cloud bank well away from base, and just go around inside till it was time to go home... Bill Neill >I met him last year when we were both standing in the hangar at Planes of Fame >looking at their Me-262, and he said, "You know, I used to fly that," with a >German accent sufficient for me to believe I had run across an interesting >story. I did. > >Tom Cleaver > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 19:46:24 -0800 From: "Bill Neill" To: Subject: Re: "The Aeronut" updated Message-ID: <005e01be71bd$10935040$3731c0d8@bill> I spent many happy hours at Point Cook, There is a great Farman Longhorn there. I got a photo from a show day there of me with the DR1 replica, me in feldgrau greatcoat and pickelhaube. Bill Neill >Obligatory WW1 modelling: This was at Point Cook, oldest miltary flying >school still in use at that time, and location of the RAAF Museum where one >could watch a Pup and Dr.I replica going at each other on flying days > >Shane > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 14:18:52 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: "The Aeronut" updated Message-ID: Bill, > I spent many happy hours at Point Cook, There is a great > Farman Longhorn there. > I got a photo from a show day there of me with the DR1 replica, me in > feldgrau greatcoat and pickelhaube. > > Bill Neill > I'd forgotten the Longhorn. It, Bristol Boxkites and 1912 Deperdussin monoplanes formed the earliest equipment of the AFC. One of the 3 cylinder Anzani powered Deperdussins also survives, almost certainly because it was *so* underpowered that it wouldn't take off, and consequently was used as a taxi trainer in the manner of the French penguins until too badly damaged even for that. The wings have had new fabric fairly recently - 1997 - and she now sits otherwise unchanged in the Treloar Restoration and Storage facility of the AWM. Shane (When did you visit? I escaped Melbourne in mid 1987) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 20:31:35 -0800 From: "Bill Neill" To: Subject: Re: "The Aeronut" updated Message-ID: <008901be71c1$68c1a2e0$3731c0d8@bill> Hi Shane, We lived in Melbourne 92 to 94. I used to do work out at Werribee, if I timed it right I got to eat lunch at Point Cook. We lived in Toorak, but I used to tell people we lived in South Yarra, otherwise they wouldn't speak to you.... Bill >> > >I'd forgotten the Longhorn. It, Bristol Boxkites and 1912 Deperdussin >monoplanes formed the earliest equipment of the AFC. One of the 3 cylinder >Anzani powered Deperdussins also survives, almost certainly because it was >*so* underpowered that it wouldn't take off, and consequently was used as a >taxi trainer in the manner of the French penguins until too badly damaged >even for that. > >The wings have had new fabric fairly recently - 1997 - and she now sits >otherwise unchanged in the Treloar Restoration and Storage facility of the >AWM. > >Shane > >(When did you visit? I escaped Melbourne in mid 1987) > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 15:53:47 +1100 (EST) From: Mick Fauchon To: WW1Av Subject: Not quite off-topic Message-ID: Hi guys! As we're of course all well aware, Gerhard Fieseler was a fighter pilot in WW1, after which he set up his own aircraft factory. The first of his designs to achieve production status was the F.2 Tiger. Does anyone have any info. on it? Drawings [whatever scale]? I know that there is at least one photo extant. TIA, Mick. BTW, my apologies for semi-lurking.......suffering from w***- overload at the moment. -- -- Mick Fauchon | Internet: ulmjf@dewey.newcastle.edu.au Reference Section, Auchmuty Library | Ph (intl+61+49) 215861 University of Newcastle, AUSTRALIA | Fax (intl+61+49) 215833 MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM M M M Tasmanian Devil: "#@%!&^*%%...!#@!&**%^@@#$#-+*+*&##@...!!" M M M M Yosemite Sam : "Cut out that Army talk!..Yer in the Navy now!" M M M MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 00:03:58 EST From: REwing@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Pre WWI Kits Message-ID: <8b449d19.36f1dabe@aol.com> << Someone I know swears they saw a Hallmark Jenny this past Christmas. Anyone know if it's available and what scale? >> My wife gave me one for Christmas. I can't remember the size of it and won't see it again until December. It was very nice. Hallmark will usually have specials on any left over ornaments as Christmas approaches again. The Wright Flyer, which I got in '97, was on sale this year. Almost picked up another one. The Jenny should be available later on. HTH -Rick- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 00:57:08 EST From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Off-Topic: de St. Exupery Message-ID: In a message dated 99-03-18 22:43:51 EST, you write: << Also, and I'd appreciate any input from our Gallic contingent, how does one actually pronounce Exupery? I've heard it pronounced every way from "Eu-pair-AY" to "Ucks-per-EE". I took three years of French en l'ecole, but can't figure it out. >> "Saint Ex" works well with most of the people who love his work in the Airplane-speaking world. (Used to have a boss with a sign on the wall: "Airplane spoken here.") I am fortunate that my father, who was deeply involved in both aviation and writing in those days, bought first editions of everything including "The Little Prince," and they are all on my bookshelf. Saint Ex-oop-ery is the best I have ever heard among the Francophone- challenged. Tom Cleaver ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 22:24:50 -0800 (PST) From: peter crow To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Kruten's/Kazakov's Nieuport marking Message-ID: <19990319062450.3942.rocketmail@web707.mail.yahoo.com> ---Matthew E Bittner wrote: > > On Thu, 18 Mar 1999 19:36:48 -0500 (EST) Mike Fletcher > writes: > > >nifty - any chance of a scan? > > Ditto. > > > Matt Bittner Double Ditto.... P. Crow > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 17:46:01 +0000 From: "David R.L. Laws" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Vickers Vimy Message-ID: <36F28D59.751A@webtime.com.au> mkendix wrote: > > David: > > Is there a Wellington at RAFM in Hendon? > > Michael Sorry cann't say from memory - this is the Mk III which they ( for strange reasons which I really don't understand ) restored with bent props ! david ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 17:52:28 +0000 From: "David R.L. Laws" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: "The Aeronut" updated Message-ID: <36F28EDC.6C68@webtime.com.au> Bill Neill wrote: > > Hi Shane, > We lived in Toorak, but I used to tell people we lived in South Yarra, otherwise they wouldn't speak to you.... and rightly so ! Our family home in town was in Kew - to which some Melbournians would say " Near Kew or Far ... " the other typical local allusion was to " the Kew Cottages " a place for the intellectually handicapped As to Toorak ... one usually just said " Oh ? " and then found someone else with whom to speak David ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 09:20:08 -0000 From: "Sandy Adam" To: Subject: Re: Off-Topic: de St. Exupery Message-ID: <199903190922.JAA14521@beryl.sol.co.uk> > I believe it is " Ex - u- pair - EE " but I cant remember from where I > learned that. Seems about right Dave - as long as you sort of bite the sides of your tongue as you pronounce the "u" (its nearly "eee" with a "y" in it!) - and make the "rrrrrr" come from the back of your throat almost as if you were about to spit. While you are at it you could pop on a black beret (be-ray) and sling a string of onions around your neck! Sandy ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 09:14:26 -0000 From: "Sandy Adam" To: Subject: Re: Vickers Vimy Message-ID: <199903190922.JAA14516@beryl.sol.co.uk> > According to my listing, there is a Wellington Mk.X (s/n MF628) > at the RAF museum in Hendon. According to my eyes, there is indeed a beautifully restored, immaculate Wimpy in the Bomber Hall at Hendon. > > To return to topic, there is also supposed to be a Vimy there but, > alas, it is listed as "replica". Supposed and correct - again it is in superb display condition. Sandy ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 08:08:53 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: Subject: RE: To ko Strutter Message-ID: <007d01be71f8$e08b3480$4640a8c0@prens-001.ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> -----Mensaje original----- De: Mark L. Shannon >In the case of the Revell/Esci kits, you will probably be cutting your own >firewall, so you should be able to establish the center this way fairly >easily. If you use a compass to draw or cut the firewall, the there will >be a pilot-hole nick in the center of it by definition. >For making an anchor and reinforcing the firewall for the axle, why not >glue the propellor "retainer" piece on the back of the firewall at the >center. If you don't have this piece, you can make something similar >cutting a short cylinder of sprue. Drill through it, and you have a collar >of plastic firmly fixed behind the firewall giving more depth to the axle >support. >.Mark. > Thank you very much, Mark. Yesterday afternoon I spent a pleasant hour making a new firewall from the thick white plastic of the bottom of a yoghurt container (after I ate it, of course). I used the method of the compass and followed the general outlines of you method. And you are right: I've lost the prop retainer piece. I cut some straight brass wire for the axle, but I planned to fix it this afternoon. Good idea, the perforated sprue reinforcement. I'll take care of it. To improve the mating surface between the new firewall and fuselage, I will glue small pieces of the white plastic inside the fuselage as attachment points (because the lack of them made pop off the cowling, in the first place). Anyway, my poor Nieuport never will look as a Bittner one. D. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 06:10:33 -0500 From: John & Allison Cyganowski To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Pre WWI Kits Message-ID: <36F230A9.3F14@worldnet.att.net> Somebody mentioned that there wasn't much of a connection between Hallmark and Modeling. Not true. Hallmark is the parent company of Revell/Monogram. Cyg. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 06:39:30 -0500 From: "Brad Gossen" To: Subject: Re: Off-Topic: de St. Exupery Message-ID: <199903191138.GAA15080@mail5.globalserve.net> I've always heard it as "Zoo-par-EE". Beside the Latecoere 28, I believe I've read mention of the Farman F.190 being used in Africa by St. X. While we're on this thread, does anyone ever recall reading that the Luftwaffe pilot who shot him down killed himself when he found out who his victim was? All this fellow was supposed to have had in his room was a small bookshelf containing all of Exupery's works. When the report of Exupery's disappearance came in he put two and two together and went back to his room and blew his brains out. Sounds like an old wives tale to me but I vaguely recall reading this years ago. Brad ---------- > From: David Vosburgh > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Off-Topic: de St. Exupery > Date: Thursday, March 18, 1999 10:42 PM > > Ever the one to be veering off-topic, I started re-reading "Wind, Sand & > Stars" last night for the third or fourth time. Would anyone happen to know > what sort of aircraft types AdS.E would've been flying during his stint as > an airline pilot on the Toulouse-Dakar run circa 1926-34? I assume a > Latecoere (sorry no accents) at least part of the time, but... ? > > Also, and I'd appreciate any input from our Gallic contingent, how does one > actually pronounce Exupery? I've heard it pronounced every way from > "Eu-pair-AY" to "Ucks-per-EE". I took three years of French en l'ecole, but > can't figure it out. > > Merci in advance, > > Dave V. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 06:33:33 -0500 From: John & Allison Cyganowski To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: yippee!!! Message-ID: <36F2360D.F3F@worldnet.att.net> KarrArt@aol.com wrote: > > Today I started my serious mental construction of the 1/48 Albatros D I, using > the....ahem......Paaschendaele D II conversion kit and the Edurad D III. The > conversion of the conversion should amount to a few changes in strutery and > little else. I think I'll do something to indicate the half-ribs on the wings, > but I don't what method I'll use yet. To make my life easy, I don't think I'll > spend umpteen gazillion hours trying to track down any particular machine in > service, instead I think I'll go for a semi-pristine ex-works job.(now if I > had the numbers for a D I that Boelcke flew, I might go for that.)I also think > I shall do one of the two-color camo planes, rather than the three- that and a > yellowy fuselage. Yippee! > Robert K. 2 color camo is thought be correct for Albatros D.Is: 380-385/16 & 390-391/16, the pre-production machines 421-435/16 the production order. At ~436/16 it is believed that the camo switched over to 3 color. I wonder if Boelcke flew a D.I? We know he flew Fokker D.III 352/16 in early September 1916. The new Albatros D-type fighters showed up about this time. Boelcke is known to have grabbed D.II 386/16 (probably a perck of rank). 386/16's serial is sequential with the D.I prototypes so maybe this is where the confusion has originated. John Cyg. ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 1502 **********************